team3s              Friday, April 6 2001              Volume 01 : Number 456




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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:25:12 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 6 Speed Tranny

What do you mean by the "tranny has started slipping"?  That sounds more
like the CLUTCH is slipping.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Stegall III [SMTP:fenix@mailroom.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:27 PM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: 6 Speed Tranny
>
> The tranny on my 94 VR-4 has started slipping and I think its going to go
> soon.  I've checked out a few places for used trannies and have managed to
> find them for about $3000.  I was wondering before that though, if any
> work can be done to the 6 speed trannies.  I know the 5 speeds from 1st
> gens can be partially rebuilt and worked on.  Was wondering if there are
> any tranny shops that can rebuild our trannies, or possibly if anyone has
> looked into replacing our trannies with those off another car.
>      I spoke with Getrag reps about it and as of current they had little
> to say other than they made nothing for new cars that could be used in our
> cars.  They did however mention that 4th gen Eclipses, ETA 2004, may be a
> solution.  That Mitsu is working on twin turboing the 6 cyl. eclipses and
> having getrag build the trannies again (or possibly doing it on their
> own).  Does anyone know anything more about that?  Or if there is another
> possible replacement tranny... or if anyone is even looking into it?  I
> know that was a deluge of questions, thanks in advance for any answers...
> especially anything more about 4th gen eclipses (new replacement
> parts...).
>
> ------------
> "If you stand all the women in the world upside down with their legs
> split, they'd all look the same."
> John
> 1994 3000GT VR-4

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:35:10 -0400
From: "anthonymelillo" <anthonymelillo@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV

Now I think I understand better.  Is there anything in the service manual
that will help me understand how all this complicated stuff works ?

After installing the Greddy BOV, I had thought that it allowed the boost
gauge to go higher than the top, 14.

But, after putting the stock BOV back to do a comparison, I noticed that it
also allowed the boost to go slightly past 14 (top of the gauge).

I guess It was just that the Greddy allowed the boost to increase that much
faster, so it just surprised me.

Next week, I am going to try and put the Greddy back in, and mount it a
little better.  I want to make sure it doesn't move.

Thanks guys for all the help and clarification

Anthony Melillo
anthonymelillo@home.com


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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:53:06 +1200
From: "Steve Cooper" <scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Re: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV

Hi all

When my 13g turbos were fitted they would only hold 13psi at 7000 rpm.I then
fitted the dragsport bov, still 13psi at redline. After careful adjustment,
trial & error I now have 15psi boost at 7000rpm. Adjustment at idle is not
sufficient because there is nowhere near as much vacuum  on the operating
line  at idle as there is when closing the throttle at part or full boost.

Steve Cooper


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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:53:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Casey Rayman <theturbodog@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Porterfield, Hawk, Motul Group Buy  FRAUD???

All will be happy to know the last set of brake pads went out this
afternoon.  I'm sorry I was not able to address the list sooner.  Due
to some bad timing delivery took longer than expected, I hope
everyone will forgive the delays.  We should be settled into the new
shop by the end of the month.

Enjoy,

Casey Rayman
CTC Motorsports
Dallas, TX
972.575.7473

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:17:39 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV

> Now I think I understand better.  Is there anything in the
> service manual that will help me understand how all this
> complicated stuff works ?

The Technical Manual on Jeff's sweet website is a great primer to how all
the systems on the car interact.

http://www.stealth316.com

> After installing the Greddy BOV, I had thought that it
> allowed the boost gauge to go higher than the top, 14.

Higher than the top, "14"?  Are you talking about the stock boost gauge?  If
so, you can't use that gauge to tell ANYTHING as far as boost is concerned.
It is a total guesstimate, and the more modifications you make to the car
the more inaccurate it gets.  Get a real boost gauge before making any more
modifications so you can accurately judge how your modifications are
affecting boost.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:09:39 -0400
From: "Dan Mecier" <dan@3sxperts.com>
Subject: Team3S: 3SX ERL goup buy

Thanks to all of those that participated in the group buy on the Aquamist
System 1S and 2S group buy from 3SX. The units have been ordered from ERL
and will ship within the next week or so. We will turn them around to our
customers as soon as we receive them.

Currently we have Eibach and Intraxx lowering springs and Fidanza aluminum
flywheels on group buys for the month of April.

Pleas email privately if you are interested at dan@3sxperts.com

Thanks and sorry for the spam,

Dan Mecier
3SX Automotive Technologies
www.3Sxperts.com
1994 3000GT VR-4


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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 05:22:47 -0000
From: "Susan ." <vr4girl@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: VR4 wiring diagram

Anyone have a wiring diagram for a '91 VR4?  Particularly relevant to the
mass airflow sensor connector wiring...
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 03:00:22 -0400
From: "anscray" <anscray@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S: Veilside input

      Any team 3S members have experience with Veilside body kits?  If so,
Do they get the seal of approval?  Also,  Anyone who could approximate the
installation and painting costs would be greatly appreciated...


All the Best,

Scott

94 VR4



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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 06:17:30 -0700
From: Daniel Jett <djett@corp.ultratech.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV

As the masual states, I connected a hand vacuum pump to the top nipple.

It began leaking between 10 and 11 psi.

Dan J
94 Stealth TT

>>> Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com> - 4/5/01 1:02 PM >>>
Now were you guys blowing into the main opening *and* the little pipe
on top? The BOV is designed to work on pressure differential. So when
you blow only into the big main opening you are duplicating the case
where the Y-pipe has more pressure than the plenum. The BOV does just
what it's supposed to do in this situation - "leak"! Try your
experiments again, but apply pressure to both openings.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
To: "'Team3s'" <Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV

I've done that with stock BOV's from different TT's.  I haven't found
a stock BOV yet that I couldn't blow air through with my mouth.
Plastic pieces of crap.

Michael
98 VR4

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Walton C.
Gibson
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 14:53
> To: Team3s
> Subject: Re: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV
>
>
> > Considering the materials used in the manufacture of the
> stock BOV, I don't think there is a definitive level in which
> they "all" begin to leak, and would expect a large amount of
> variation from one to the next.
>
> FWIW, I can take my stock BOV, put it to my lips, and blow
> air through it.
> It does leak that much. I'd hate to know what it did under full
boost
> before I
> replaced it with the Greddy.



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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:41:55 -0500
From: "Oskar" <osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S: BFG Comp T/A R1 clearance at Tirerack.

Just an FYI to those interested.  For example: 245/45/17 are $120.

Oskar
'95 R/T TT



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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 06:44:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV

Remember that what we are calling on our cars a blow-off valve (BOV)
is really a compressor by-pass valve.

"Our BOV has nothing to do with boost levels,
  ****** unless it is leaking ******."

A properly functioning and non-leaking BOV will remain closed within
its **mechanical limits** when we are "boosting".

The BOV (as used on our cars) is not designed to open at a particular
boost level. But it probably is designed to leak at some boost level.
Clever Mitsu. :)

Our BOV is designed to open when there is a pressure difference on
either side of the throttle plate. This occurs when you let off on
the throttle pedal.

I list about 100 links to technical articles on the Tech Page at my
web site. The following one goes into little detail on by-pass valves
and compressor valves.

http://www.turbobricks.org/cbv_bov.html

This article does have some problems as it describes a by-pass valve
actually by-passing the turbo somehow. Nonsense on our cars. All air
that enters the intake track goes through the turbos. All our stock
"BOV" can do is route air out of the Y-pipe and back into the intake
track before the turbos (but after the MAS if one is installed). And,
again, this is designed to occur when the Y-pipe air pressure is
greater than the plenum air pressure. Air moves from high to low
pressure, so the air moves out of the Y-pipe.

At some boost level, the pressure inside the "BOV" forces air to go
around the piston or diaphragm or seal (whatever is used) and we call
this "leaking". It is not the boost pushing on the spring (or piston,
etc.) as there is pressure on **both** sides. My GReddy Type-S will
"leak" also at some boost level, hopefully higher than the stock BOV
limit. It looks like the DSM valve you are using has a higher "leak"
limit than the stock one you were using.

Hope that helps,

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
To: "'Jeff Lucius'" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>;
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV


so if "our BOV has nothing to do with boost", how does the rest of
your explanation of function follow?
Aren't you saying that the maximum boost level that can be maintained
is affected by the pressure that the BOV opens?

Honestly, this doesn't make sense to me. I just know that when I
swapped my stock BOV for a DSM BOV I got an immediate change of 1 psi
in the boost level without any change to the setting of my manual
boost controller.  I attribute that to a different (higher) operning
pressure. Where am I getting confused?

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Lucius [SMTP:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 12:31 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV
>
> Our BOV has nothing to do with boost levels, unless it is leaking.
>
> The BOV action occurs when the pressure on the plenum side of the
> throttle body is less than the pressure on the Y-pipe side of the
TB
> by some set amount. The BOV adjustment is to set the pressure
> difference amount that triggers the BOV to release air from the
> Y-pipe back into the intake track just after the MAS (or to the
> atmosphere if you have that type).
>
> Adjust the GReddy BOV too "light" and the slightest lift of the
pedal
> will start the air recycling. Adjust it too "stiff" and the air
will
> recycle only at high pressure differences (such as very quick
closing
> of the throttle plate). The only way I could adjust my GReddy BOV
was
> to drive around and see what happened. No boost guage is needed.
>
> For what its worth to you guys considering a BOV upgrade, leaving
the
> stock BOV alone is an excellent idea unless you have upgraded your
> fuel system. The stock BOV tends to "leak" around 14-15 psi, thus
> helping to limit boost to a safe level with the stock fuel
injectors
> and pump. Of course, aftermarket BOVs can produce a very neat
sound.
>
> Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:48:20 -0500
From: "Oskar" <osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: BFG Comp T/A R1 clearance at Tirerack.

More specifically it is the comp T/A g-force R1.

Oskar
'95 R/T TT



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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:50:31 +0200
From: "Mikael Kenson" <vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: Interesting link

Hi,

This is a very interesting link (IMHO), especially the handling and suspension section. I strongly recommend you to check it out.

http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/lancia/58/technical_school/tech_index.htm

/Mikael Kenson http://www.3000gt.nu


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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:50:56 -0500
From: "Oskar" <osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S: Heatcycling tires at Tirerack

Hello all,

According to the TireRacks sales lit. it is the greatest thing since sliced
bread.  How does it work in reality - does it really help the life of the
tire?  Does it eliminate the need to work the tires at the track?

I am asking because I ordered mine this way, and after receiving them I'm
skeptical.  They arrived less than 48 hours after ordering (I live in MN)
and the stickers were fully intact.  It seems to me that if the tire was
being worked to the point where heat was reaching the core of the tire, the
labels would take a beating.

Thanks for any input,
Oskar
'95 R/T TT


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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:34:59 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV

I think we told this million times :

The stock BOV (correct : bypass valve) MUST leak as it has a small hole
(about 3 mm) inside. This provides a smoother operation as it is a small
"compensator" and eliminates the behaviour of a too fast or slow
opening/closing valve. So everyone that blows inside the hole will think
that there is a leak and he's right. And this is absolutely correct.

When blowing with the mouth into the intake, I doubt that one can do this
with the necessary pressure that would open the valve.

Over the years, the stock valves inside spring becomes weaker and therefore
the valve may start to leak as the spring-pressure +manifold-pressure
become less then the y-pipe pressure. This can be calculated as the
pressure (kg/cm2) is higher on the valve-plate as on the small actuating
pipe connected to the manifold.

>Now were you guys blowing into the main opening *and* the little pipe
>on top? The BOV is designed to work on pressure differential. So when
>you blow only into the big main opening you are duplicating the case
>where the Y-pipe has more pressure than the plenum. The BOV does just
>what it's supposed to do in this situation - "leak"! Try your
>experiments again, but apply pressure to both openings.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:04:01 -0700
From: Daniel Jett <djett@corp.ultratech.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Interesting link

Mikael,

Great link! I think this would be a good primer for newcomers to the list who have little experience/knowledge with the mechanics/theory behind automotive science...

That, and of course Mr. Lucius' page(s), are quite informative!

Regards,

Dan Jett
94 Stealth TT
San Jose, Ca

>>> "Mikael Kenson" <vr4@bahnhof.se> - 4/6/01 6:50 AM >>>
Hi,

This is a very interesting link (IMHO), especially the handling and suspension section. I strongly recommend you to check it out.

http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/lancia/58/technical_school/tech_index.htm

/Mikael Kenson http://www.3000gt.nu


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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:12:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV

The manual states (page 11-9 in file dsc.pdf on the manuals on cd) to
apply **negative** pressure, or a vacuum as we say, to the nipple
(little pipe) on the BOV. The BOV should start to open at 400 mm Hg
(16 in Hg, or 7.7 psi using the handy unit converter on my web site).

Now I'm not sure what you mean by "leak". Since the BOV is supposed
to open when you apply vacuum at the nipple why are you saying
"leak"?

If the BOV didn't open till 10+ psi (517+ mm Hg) of **vacuum** then
that means it is a little out of spec and stays closed longer than it
should, possibly causing extra wear on the turbo.

If you are applying **pressure** to the nipple and none to the main
opening then this is a condition that the BOV was not designed for
nor would it encounter when mounted properly in our cars.

To test to see if our BOV leaks, then the same **pressure** (not
vacuum) must be applied to both the main opening (that connects to
the Y-pipe) and to the nipple (that connects to the plenum). Air will
"leak" through the opening that connects to the intake hose.

And no I haven't done this. I replaced the stock BOV with the GReddy
Type-S because I like the pretty purple top. :) I didn't really have
a problem with the stocker.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Jett" <djett@corp.ultratech.com>
To: <Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>; <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV


As the masual states, I connected a hand vacuum pump to the top
nipple.

It began leaking between 10 and 11 psi.

Dan J
94 Stealth TT

>>> Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com> - 4/5/01 1:02 PM >>>
Now were you guys blowing into the main opening *and* the little pipe
on top? The BOV is designed to work on pressure differential. So when
you blow only into the big main opening you are duplicating the case
where the Y-pipe has more pressure than the plenum. The BOV does just
what it's supposed to do in this situation - "leak"! Try your
experiments again, but apply pressure to both openings.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:11:18 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Heatcycling tires at Tirerack

>
>According to the TireRacks sales lit. it is the greatest thing since sliced
>bread.  How does it work in reality - does it really help the life of the
>tire?  Does it eliminate the need to work the tires at the track?

Yes. You can do it yourself, if you are willing to spend about two hours of
your time and 100 miles of road wear (one hour to heat cycle them, then one
hour to take them off the car and replace them with street wheels)
>
>I am asking because I ordered mine this way, and after receiving them I'm
>skeptical.  They arrived less than 48 hours after ordering (I live in MN)
>and the stickers were fully intact.  It seems to me that if the tire was
>being worked to the point where heat was reaching the core of the tire, the
>labels would take a beating.

Tire Rack is usually pretty good, but I caught them charging me for shaved
tires when the little tits were still there. I raised hell, and they said
they would give me a credit for it, but the Kuhmos wore badly because they
were not shaved, so it still cost me a bundle. I think I'd give 'em a call
and ask what's up. Maybe they just warm them up in an oven, and don't
actually run the tire.

Rich



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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:30:51 -0700
From: Daniel Jett <djett@corp.ultratech.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV

Jeff,

Good points. I guess I should have checked my conversions, and it brings to light that there might have been other forces at work when I did my BOV swap.

Like I said in an earlier post, I did notice a power increase (seat of the pants, I know) when I put the Greddy type S in. I assumed at that point that my stock BOV must have been leaking, although I also did part throttle lifts with the stock and could hear the stock valve actuating sooner than the Greddy unit, as I have it set.

Again, apart from all of this, as I stated earlier I find it hard to believe that the stock BOV on ALL cars will hold boost to 14 psi, mostly due to the materials used, though you are correct that unless there is a closed throttle position (thus a pressure difference) that it should matter. 

I'm just glad we don't drive Saab's, with a real pop-off valve!

DJ


>>> Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com> - 4/6/01 7:12 AM >>>
The manual states (page 11-9 in file dsc.pdf on the manuals on cd) to
apply **negative** pressure, or a vacuum as we say, to the nipple
(little pipe) on the BOV. The BOV should start to open at 400 mm Hg
(16 in Hg, or 7.7 psi using the handy unit converter on my web site).

Now I'm not sure what you mean by "leak". Since the BOV is supposed
to open when you apply vacuum at the nipple why are you saying
"leak"?

If the BOV didn't open till 10+ psi (517+ mm Hg) of **vacuum** then
that means it is a little out of spec and stays closed longer than it
should, possibly causing extra wear on the turbo.

If you are applying **pressure** to the nipple and none to the main
opening then this is a condition that the BOV was not designed for
nor would it encounter when mounted properly in our cars.

To test to see if our BOV leaks, then the same **pressure** (not
vacuum) must be applied to both the main opening (that connects to
the Y-pipe) and to the nipple (that connects to the plenum). Air will
"leak" through the opening that connects to the intake hose.

And no I haven't done this. I replaced the stock BOV with the GReddy
Type-S because I like the pretty purple top. :) I didn't really have
a problem with the stocker.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Jett" <djett@corp.ultratech.com>
To: <Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>; <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV


As the masual states, I connected a hand vacuum pump to the top
nipple.

It began leaking between 10 and 11 psi.

Dan J
94 Stealth TT

>>> Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com> - 4/5/01 1:02 PM >>>
Now were you guys blowing into the main opening *and* the little pipe
on top? The BOV is designed to work on pressure differential. So when
you blow only into the big main opening you are duplicating the case
where the Y-pipe has more pressure than the plenum. The BOV does just
what it's supposed to do in this situation - "leak"! Try your
experiments again, but apply pressure to both openings.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:38:52 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Heatcycling tires at Tirerack

The following link from the Tire Rack tech tips section describes the heat
cycle operation ---- The inflated tire is run between rollers and no heat is
added ---- I would suspect that the operation was not done.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/heatcycletech.htm

        Jim Berry
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From: Oskar <osk@mediaone.net>
To: Team3S <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:50 AM
Subject: Team3S: Heatcycling tires at Tirerack


> Hello all,
>
> According to the TireRacks sales lit. it is the greatest thing since sliced
> bread.  How does it work in reality - does it really help the life of the
> tire?  Does it eliminate the need to work the tires at the track?
>
> I am asking because I ordered mine this way, and after receiving them I'm
> skeptical.  They arrived less than 48 hours after ordering (I live in MN)
> and the stickers were fully intact.  It seems to me that if the tire was
> being worked to the point where heat was reaching the core of the tire, the
> labels would take a beating.
>
> Thanks for any input,
> Oskar
> '95 R/T TT
>
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:41:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV

>> Again, apart from all of this, as I stated earlier
>> I find it hard to believe that the stock BOV on ALL
>> cars will hold boost to 14 psi, ...

I agree. Sorry if I implied that all stock BOVs performed the same.
It was meant to be just an average sort of number from what people
commonly report.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

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Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 8:30 AM
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:51:00 -0500
From: Danny Melton <dmelton@hypertech-inc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Boost Problems, very strange!

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First, let me apologize for the length of this post, and my rambling. I am
trying to explain things as thorough as I can and it can be kind of long.
Okay, this is kinda weird. My car is totally back together now. My mechanic
has inspected everything, and re-ran all my vacuum lines.
I get the car back and according to the AutoMeter boost gauge, I am
boosting at about 7psi.
I un-hook the two vacuum lines that control the waste-gates (DUMB, normally
you would overBOOST!) and I am still boosting at 7psi.
I then unplugged the last vacuum line on the Y-pipe before the throttle
body (black w/red ends) and I hit about 14-15psi EASY before I get off of it.

Here's my theory. The last vacuum line on the Y-pipe goes down to a
connecter behind the intake. One of the two vacuum lines that goes to the
waste-gate solenoid comes off this connecter. I (think) know that it takes
boost pressure to open the waste-gates after the computer "does its thing"
(whatever that may be). SO, if you disconnect the two vacuum lines from the
waste-gate solenoid, then one bleeds to the air and the other gets no
reading, so you will keep building boost until (a) the waste-gates open
(which never happens), (b) the engine blows, or (c) the turbos max out. In
my case, the second hose, never gets a reading, so you would thing that I
would over-boost because the waste-gates wouldn't open. BUT I think the
first hose (the one branching off the connecter that the line from the
Y-pipe connects to) is clogged; AND, since there is no vacuum  leak, the
max boost I can hit is the boost set my the computer. If I remember
correctly, I heard the computer will let you boost to 7psi and then the
waste-gate solenoid on the firewall takes over.

Does anybody have a clue what is wrong with my boost? Granted, the car is
still fast and fun w/7psi but 13-14psi would be sooo much more fun.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Danny Melton
'91 3000gt VR4

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:45:23 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV

>Now I'm not sure what you mean by "leak". Since the BOV is supposed
>to open when you apply vacuum at the nipple why are you saying
>"leak"?

Jeff is right when states to apply vacuum against the ambient when testing
or lessThe stock valve has a HOLE in it... and holes obviously leak :-)

>If you are applying **pressure** to the nipple and none to the main
>opening then this is a condition that the BOV was not designed for
>nor would it encounter when mounted properly in our cars.

True !

>To test to see if our BOV leaks, then the same **pressure** (not
>vacuum) must be applied to both the main opening (that connects to
>the Y-pipe) and to the nipple (that connects to the plenum). Air will
>"leak" through the opening that connects to the intake hose.

Again and again, there is a hole in it ... it WILL LEAK ... guys, no
discussion necessary the thing is designed to leak with a great small hole
in it !!!!!

>And no I haven't done this. I replaced the stock BOV with the GReddy
>Type-S because I like the pretty purple top. :)

Me too :)

>  I didn't really have
>a problem with the stocker.

"Whooooooop" after playing with other parts -> Greddy installed. No other
issue :)

Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:33:58 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: Team3S: Racing harnesses in a VR-4

I need a response to my question of where to place some racing harnesses in
my car?  I am having trouble getting the small triangular plate into the
small channel where the rear seat belts tie to near the outside of the car
and am wondering if it is easier to drill new holes and attach these through
some plates.

Is it advisable to attach anything to the crossbrace member that goes from
the strut tower to strut tower?

I know I need Grade 8 hardware to pass the safety check of the local PCA
(and it is advised by the manufacturer also) but does anyone have harnesses
in their car?  Does anyone know how a "Clip-in" set of hardware will fit in
the car?

- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, Autopower rollbar, Sparco Evo race seat,
Simpson 5-point harnesses, and a custom spark plug plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:40:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Margrave <davidma@eskimo.com>
Subject: Team3S: a nissan altima smoked me

Help!  This is very humiliating!

I know our cars are heavy, and I do have a subwoofer box in the back that
weighs in at another 40-50lbs, and 1st gear is always a little sluggish
it seems, but jeez!

I'm seriously contemplating getting a PC Dyno unit so I can get some hard
factual data on what any tune-ups and mods give in the way of performance.
Every aftermarket part out there claims to add 15 HP!  At this time, I'm
completely stock.

Dave
'91 R/T TT


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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:01:54 -0000
From: "Susan ." <vr4girl@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Formula 1 team engineers

I'm entertaining 8 Formula 1 racing team engineers from the UK this weekend
who are on a tour of the US meeting with NASA tech transfer offices on
lightweight materials, propulsion technology, etc. They'd like to get ahold
of a wiring diagram for my VR4 to check out a mass airflow sensor wiring
issue (just for fun since I've been a great host!).  Anyone who may have
access to or know how I could obtain such a diagram would be well
appreciated.  If you can get yourself to the UK, a tour a Formula 1 design
facility may be in order for the provider of this info!

The Coswell team engineer races street cars in his spare time, and would
likely entertain any questions if you send them to me...

Thanks for any help on the diagram -

Susan
'91 VR4
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:03:01 -0700
From: "Watkins, Jim" <jim.watkins@terayon.com>
Subject: Team3S: Hesitation on boost when cold

Let me try this question once again:
> My 91-VR4  does not want to boost when the engine is still warming up to
> normal operating temperature.  There is a hesitation, almost a stumble and
> then the boost kicks in.  After warm up, the boost is immediate and
> strong.  No mods were made to the stock configuration except the plugs are
> gapped to .032.  Any ideas?
>
> Jim
> 91-VR4

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:26:50 -0700
From: "Darc" <wce@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hesitation on boost when cold

Why have you gapped at .032 if you are not running a BC? Was the problem
apparent at higher gap? When you regaled, did you do (or not do) something
in that reinstallation, particularly the tricky back bank,  that might be
have contributed to the  problem?

Darc

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From: "Watkins, Jim" <jim.watkins@terayon.com>
To: "'Team3S (E-mail)'" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:03 AM
Subject: Team3S: Hesitation on boost when cold


> Let me try this question once again:
> > My 91-VR4  does not want to boost when the engine is still warming up to
> > normal operating temperature.  There is a hesitation, almost a stumble
and
> > then the boost kicks in.  After warm up, the boost is immediate and
> > strong.  No mods were made to the stock configuration except the plugs
are
> > gapped to .032.  Any ideas?
> >
> > Jim
> > 91-VR4
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:41:24 -0700
From: "Watkins, Jim" <jim.watkins@terayon.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hesitation on boost when cold

I had a BC installed previously.  When I removed it, I returned everything
to stock except the plug gap.  I think the gap is not contributing anything
to the problem.  The car runs perfectly after reaching operating
temperature.  The issue is that there is a hesitation in boost when the
engine is cold.  I believe the same problem existed when the BC was
installed in this car.  I now have the BC in another car and there is no
problem at cold temp in that car and the plugs are gapped to .032 as well.

Jim
91-VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Darc [mailto:wce@telus.net]
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:27 AM
To: 'Team3S (E-mail)'
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hesitation on boost when cold


Why have you gapped at .032 if you are not running a BC? Was the problem
apparent at higher gap? When you regaled, did you do (or not do) something
in that reinstallation, particularly the tricky back bank,  that might be
have contributed to the  problem?

Darc

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From: "Watkins, Jim" <jim.watkins@terayon.com>
To: "'Team3S (E-mail)'" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:03 AM
Subject: Team3S: Hesitation on boost when cold


> Let me try this question once again:
> > My 91-VR4  does not want to boost when the engine is still warming up to
> > normal operating temperature.  There is a hesitation, almost a stumble
and
> > then the boost kicks in.  After warm up, the boost is immediate and
> > strong.  No mods were made to the stock configuration except the plugs
are
> > gapped to .032.  Any ideas?
> >
> > Jim
> > 91-VR4
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:44:46 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Racing harnesses in a VR-4

Correction.  There is no rear strut tower brace but it is the stock
crossbrace that separates the trunk from the cabin (at the bottom of the
rear seatbacks and stuff).

There appears to be a way to use an eye bolt into the stock mounting
position and then add a clip (like a carabiner) onto the end of the harness
and clip this in to and out of the eye bolt when needed instead of dealing
with bolts all the time.

I have a picture through the trunk of my car for anyone who wants to see the
setup but it is also on the Team3S Rollbar FAQ page.  The stock seat will be
removed and replaced with a race seat so the height of the shoulder is
different.  Sorry for the confusion.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, Autopower rollbar, Sparco Evo race seat,
Simpson 5-point harnesses, and a custom spark plug plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Berry [mailto:fastmax@home.com]
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 12:03 PM
To: Schilberg, Darren
Subject: Re: Team3S: Racing harnesses in a VR-4

Darren

I'm not sure why you're using the rear mounts ---- I have the eye bolt for
my
competition belt in place of the bolts for the stock front belts with the
stock
belts left in place. When I install my race seat I'll have to move the
inside belt
attachment point as  it attaches to the side of the stock seat. When not
racing I just unclip the comp belts and I'm good to go.

I attach my shoulder harness's to my rear strut bar ' BUT ' it is the
Roadrace
engineering bar ---- it's made of 1½" rollbar material. I wouldn't attach to
something flimsy like the Cusco bar. I thought you bought the Autopower
rollbar with the belt bar ???

        Jim Berry


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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:33:58 EDT
From: ThorHolth@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Factory Radio

I have a '91 dodge stealth R/T Turbo (awd/aws), and the c/d player recently
stopped accepting and ejecting discs.  Does anybody know where I can get the
mitsu factory radio repaired?


Thor Holth
'91 Stealth (red/black)

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:33:17 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV

Is anyone else getting multiple copies of this message (and others)?  I've
gotten a copy about every hour since the original was sent.  ????

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Jett [mailto:djett@corp.ultratech.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:31 AM
> To: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st; stealthman92@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: RE: Team3S: proper way to adjust Greddy BOV
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> Good points. I guess I should have checked my conversions,
> and it brings to light that there might have been other
> forces at work when I did my BOV swap.

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:37:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mark William Hindelang" <hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Interior Bubbles

This is an old topic, but did anyone ever find an efficient, working solution
to the interior bubbles that pop up on our doors??  i think this is due to the
heat inside the car, and the glue gets dried out underneath the vynal thus
detaching its hold to the car door wall.

Some have said to try some silicon glue in a syringe and inject some in there
and then smear it around!  has any one successfully done this, and what product
did you use?

Thanks all.

Mark


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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:41:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Interior Bubbles

Maybe Vinny can help.

http://www.ecanfix.com/~doordoctor/

That link and MANY more are available on the Garage Page at my web
site.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

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From: "Mark William Hindelang" <hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>; <stealth@starnet.net>;
<mi3si@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:37 PM
Subject: Team3S: Interior Bubbles

This is an old topic, but did anyone ever find an efficient, working
solution to the interior bubbles that pop up on our doors??  i think
this is due to the heat inside the car, and the glue gets dried out
underneath the vynal thus detaching its hold to the car door wall.

Some have said to try some silicon glue in a syringe and inject some
in there and then smear it around!  has any one successfully done
this, and what product did you use?

Thanks all.

Mark


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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:59:18 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Interior Bubbles

I thought Vineet Singh had a fancy way of attaching a brass or aluminum
strip of metal down where the armrest part meets the vertical part of the
door.  He had some pictures on his page

- --Flash!
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3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, Autopower rollbar, Sparco Evo race seat,
Simpson 5-point harnesses, and a custom spark plug plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mark William Hindelang [mailto:hindelan@pilot.msu.edu]
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:37 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st; stealth@starnet.net; mi3si@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Team3S: Interior Bubbles


This is an old topic, but did anyone ever find an efficient, working
solution
to the interior bubbles that pop up on our doors??  i think this is due to
the
heat inside the car, and the glue gets dried out underneath the vynal thus
detaching its hold to the car door wall.

Some have said to try some silicon glue in a syringe and inject some in
there
and then smear it around!  has any one successfully done this, and what
product
did you use?

Thanks all.

Mark


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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:36:12 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: How do you get the lights out?

I am trying to take out my front air dam.
There is one last bolt up near the right teeny tiny driving light.
So I have to take the driving light out...now howinhell does that sucker
come out of there? I can see bolts and stuff way back up in there, but
you'd have to have a hand the size of a two-year old to get in there.
Actually, I can get a wrench on them to get them off, but I'd never be able
to put them back in.
I know those driving lights are absolutely useless pieces of junk so, if I
have to, I'll take them off and leave them off, but I'd rather not.
Help.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:43:17 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Formula 1 team engineers

I've got a manual but no flatbed scanner ---- maybe I can figure out a way to
do a file transfer from my cd version of the manual. If I can figure it out I'll
send it off.

BTY --- does the check engine light stay on ????????

        Jim Berry
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From: Susan . <vr4girl@hotmail.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:01 AM
Subject: Team3S: Formula 1 team engineers


> I'm entertaining 8 Formula 1 racing team engineers from the UK this weekend
> who are on a tour of the US meeting with NASA tech transfer offices on
> lightweight materials, propulsion technology, etc. They'd like to get ahold
> of a wiring diagram for my VR4 to check out a mass airflow sensor wiring
> issue (just for fun since I've been a great host!).  Anyone who may have
> access to or know how I could obtain such a diagram would be well
> appreciated.  If you can get yourself to the UK, a tour a Formula 1 design
> facility may be in order for the provider of this info!
>
> The Coswell team engineer races street cars in his spare time, and would
> likely entertain any questions if you send them to me...
>
> Thanks for any help on the diagram -
>
> Susan
> '91 VR4
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 18:18:32 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: How do you get the lights out? Got 'em!

OK, it's very easy, as it turns out.
First, you take out the inboard phillips screw, easily reachable from the
front grille.
Then, using a long phillips screwdriver, reach in through the intercooler
grille opening and take out the outboard screw.
Finally, unscrew the height adjuster screw all the way, and the sucker pops
right out.
Three phillips-head screws, and that's all it takes.

I took both of the lights out, because I see a way to run brake scoops from
there.
I think a big round black brake scoop looks a lot better than those dinky
driving lights anyway. All the rubes will be wondering what they are for.

Speaking of useless, now that I see the air dam I can't help but wonder why
they went to all that trouble to shove a dinky piece of sheet metal about
1-in. down into the air stream. Mine is gone now, into the same box as
those useless driving lights. Musta saved 3-4 lb.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4/drivinglightless

My original question:

I am trying to take out my front air dam.
There is one last bolt up near the right teeny tiny driving light.
So I have to take the driving light out...now howinhell does that sucker
come out of there? I can see bolts and stuff way back up in there, but
you'd have to have a hand the size of a two-year old to get in there.
Actually, I can get a wrench on them to get them off, but I'd never be able
to put them back in.
I know those driving lights are absolutely useless pieces of junk so, if I
have to, I'll take them off and leave them off, but I'd rather not.
Help.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4

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