team3s            Wednesday, April 4 2001            Volume 01 : Number 453




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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:32:42 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Gettin down low

The instructions accompanying our Ground Control setup included cutting the
bump stops.  I don't understand why you say it would be "dangerous" if you
hit a bump while the car is sitting on the bump stop - uncomfortable, yes.

My understanding of bump steer is the first description - when you hit a
bump the car steers ABRUPTLY in a direction other than your steering input.
Usually, this means the wheels want to straighten up when you hit a bump
during a turn.  This could be mistaken for understeer, which is the tendency
for the car to continue along a straighter direction of travel than your
steering input.  There is nothing abrupt about understeer.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cody [SMTP:overclck@starband.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:19 AM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Gettin down low
>
> I have heard people refer to bump steeras two different things.  One I'm
> sure is wrong, but there might be more opinions out there on this.
>
> Anyway - the one I have heard alot is bump steer - (in laymans terms)
> meaning when you hit a bump, the cars tendency to steer itself in one
> direction or another
>
> the other one i heard was: when turning so much that the outer edge of the
> car is effectively riding on its bump stops, or the spring is so
> compressed
> that it has no more useful travel, thus creating a solid contact between
> the
> frame and the road with no effective suspension, meaning nothing to soak
> up
> bumps, so when you hit a bump in this situation, it can be actually quite
> dangerous.
>
> I swear I remember reading somewhere  (SCC maybe?) that in order to reduce
> bumpsteer, or avoid it, to cut your bumpstops (on cars with normal
> lowering
> springs).
>
> Now - thats all I really know about the subject, so someone please correct
> me where I;m wrong....
>
> -Cody
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:19:37 -0700
From: "Maupin, Justin" <Justin.Maupin@kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Front Struts

I got my front strut replacements from Norco Mitsubishi... with the discount
the price was around 140 each... but there are no Aftermarket that work with
the ECS...  If you don't want the ECS you have several options for
replacement.

Justin
Emerald 1992 Stealth R/T TT

- -----Original Message-----
From: ThorHolth@aol.com [mailto:ThorHolth@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 1:54 PM
To: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Front Struts


Egads, I just found out I need to have the front struts replaced in my 1991
Stealth R/T Turbo.  The car has the Electronically controlled suspension,
which make it, of course, more expensive.

Is there an aftermarket replacement, and if so, from where? Right now, the
estimate is $225.00 each for the parts. (i'll replace them myself).

thanks for any input.

- -Thor

1991 Stealth R/T Turbo (just bought last week)

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:25:35 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gettin down low

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Willis, Charles E. <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>

> The instructions accompanying our Ground Control setup included cutting the
> bump stops.  I don't understand why you say it would be "dangerous" if you
> hit a bump while the car is sitting on the bump stop - uncomfortable, yes.

The danger comes from the upsetting of the chassis when you go from a
spring rate of 200# [ stock springs ] to 1000# [ bump stop material  ]. Under
normal driving it probably wouldn't be a problem but in a racing environment
it could prove disconcerting.

        Jim Berry


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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:09:57 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gettin down low

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: <opentracking@topica.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>

> My car is about as low as it can go.
> I'm wondering if maybe it's too low.
>
> One of the ROWGs around here said that if you go too low, you can encounter
> bump steer.

I did a quick Google.com search and found a bunch of info --- a couple of links
are included here.

http://www.huntertw.com/articles3.html

http://www.longacreracing.com/articles/art.asp?ARTID=13

Jim Berry


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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:51:23 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: New exhaust

Just put a new custom-made exhaust on the ol' VR4.


My fabulous local muffler shop -- Denny's Mufflers, in Cedar Rapids, IA
- -- ordered two 60-deg mandrel-bent 3-in. elbows, then  welded up a neat
little system. (For those of you who don't know the difference -- surely
not on our list! -- a mandrel bent pipe has no kinks in it. It is a
perfectly smooth bend, exactly what we need for our exhaust. Few local
muffler shops can do this. Denny's had to order the elbows from a
specialty bender).


Denny's cut off the stock dual exhaust just forward of the diff, removed
the entire furshlugginer stock system in one piece (Jeez, that thing is
heavy! It's stainless steel, too), welded the two elbows together and to
the straight tail pipe coming from the cat, and bolted in an Xelerator
muffler with a chrome tip. The Xelerator is a straight through design,
and claims to have the least amount of back pressure of any muffler on
the market.


It is a very simple system with only two 60-deg bends, and it looks very
neat tucked up in there. The hangers bolt to all the stock exhaust system
mounts. I can't tell you the exact cost because they are being very nice
to me these days, but I s'pose you could have the same done at your local
shop for around $200.


I thought it would be real loud, but it turned out to be mellow. Kind of
a deeper sound than the raspy stock muffler, but not as loud. Or maybe
it's as loud, just a different sound. I would rather it had been louder,
but I'll settle for no back pressure.


It may be my imagination, but the car seems to run much better now. It
seems to have faster spoolup, and it revs quickly. Only the watch will
tell the difference of course.


I took photos, but have no way of scanning them in. If anybody wants to
volunteer their scanner, I'll send you the pix, and then put the images
on my web site (www.bazillionbooks.com).


It occurs to me that I could probably cut the pipe off, send it off to
the bender, and have copies of it mandrell bent into a one piece pipe for
anyone who wanted one. I may do that some day. Maybe next winter.


<bold>Shameless plug for Denny's:</bold>  These guys do all my brake,
suspension, alignment and (now) exhaust work. They are reasonably priced,
they do good work, they know what they are doing, and -- best of all --
they actually look forward to working on the car.  If you are within
driving distance, I highly recommend getting your Ground Control
suspension, camber plates, Big Reds, SS lines, alignment or exhaust work
done at Denny's Muffler Center, West office, Cedar Rapids, Iowa,
319/363-5245, ask for Mike or Shelby, and tell 'em that Rich sent you.


Rich/old poop

94 VR4 w/custom exhaust

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:32:37 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Gettin down low

It's known as "bottoming out the suspension"!  If you're not bottoming it
out, you're not trying hard enough!  There is a limit to the travel on all
setups:  you can hit the bump stops in the stock configuration, too, the
body just rolls more before hitting them!

I still don't understand the "dangerous" word here - you bottom out when you
are doing something to the car, whether a turn, hard braking, hard
accelleration, so you should be expecting it.  The bump stop itself is
rubber, which makes is more forgiving than metal to metal contact.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Berry [SMTP:fastmax@home.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:26 AM
> To: Willis, Charles E.; 'cody'; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Gettin down low
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Willis, Charles E. <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
>
> > The instructions accompanying our Ground Control setup included cutting
> the
> > bump stops.  I don't understand why you say it would be "dangerous" if
> you
> > hit a bump while the car is sitting on the bump stop - uncomfortable,
> yes.
>
> The danger comes from the upsetting of the chassis when you go from a
> spring rate of 200# [ stock springs ] to 1000# [ bump stop material  ].
> Under
> normal driving it probably wouldn't be a problem but in a racing
> environment
> it could prove disconcerting.
>
>         Jim Berry

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:35:43 -0500
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Gettin down low

This is GREAT STUFF!  Thanks, Jim!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Berry [SMTP:fastmax@home.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:10 AM
> To: opentracking@topica.com; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st; Merritt
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Gettin down low
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
> To: <opentracking@topica.com>; <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
> > My car is about as low as it can go.
> > I'm wondering if maybe it's too low.
> >
> > One of the ROWGs around here said that if you go too low, you can
> encounter
> > bump steer.
>
> I did a quick Google.com search and found a bunch of info --- a couple of
> links
> are included here.
>
> http://www.huntertw.com/articles3.html
>
> http://www.longacreracing.com/articles/art.asp?ARTID=13
>
> Jim Berry
>

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:47:02 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Gettin down low

> It's known as "bottoming out the suspension"!  If you're not
> bottoming it out, you're not trying hard enough!  There is
> a limit to the travel on all setups:  you can hit the bump
> stops in the stock configuration, too, the body just rolls
> more before hitting them!

Unless you know there are no bumps in the course/road, you should not be
riding on the bumpstops.  If you are routinely on the bumpstops, then you
should increase your spring rate.  Once the spring is used up, cornering
traction reduces over even minor pavement imperfections.  If this weren't
so, then racecars would have no suspension travel at all.  Why bother with
all the extra weight of dampers and spings and such?  Just throw a couple
springs on the bottom of the seat and you are all set, right?

> I still don't understand the "dangerous" word here - you
> bottom out when you are doing something to the car,
> whether a turn, hard braking, hard accelleration, so
> you should be expecting it.  The bump stop itself is
> rubber, which makes is more forgiving than metal to
> metal contact.

It could be dangerous if all the suspension travel is used up (and therefore
the suspension is now "solid") and you go over a bump or pavement
imperfection while at the maximum traction limit of the tire.  In that case,
the additional force will exceed the traction limit of the tire and the car
will slide off-course.

Yes, you can "race" while banging the car against the bumpstops, but it is
far from an optimal setup as you aren't making maximum use of the
suspension's ability to make the most of the tires' traction limits.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
A-Prepared autocrosser

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:15:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Rotor size

Anyone recall the rotor diameter on the Vr4? (94+)?

Ive gotta 330mm kit im putting on the Celica, and wanted to compare.  I
wont have the brakes till next week, just left Italy today.

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA

I own a lotta cars.  But in the best interests of not having to continualy
edit this file to meet the needs of eight specific lists, and no to awaken the
idiots within others who think -thier- cars are the best and Im a fool for
having anything -but- thier kind of car..I have not listed them.  If Im on
the list you are reading..I have one.


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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:29:01 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rotor size

The fronts on my '94 VR4 were measured at 322mm although others have
reported slightly different measurements.  I double and triple checked at
the time and they were 322mm.

As I recall that is right around 12.6".


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> Anyone recall the rotor diameter on the Vr4? (94+)?
>
> Ive gotta 330mm kit im putting on the Celica, and wanted to compare.  I
> wont have the brakes till next week, just left Italy today.
>
> ---
> Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com>


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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:34:28 EDT
From: Shivy13@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Gutting pre-cats

        I know that this is probably a frequently asked question but I was
wondering if anyone can give me some idea on what exactly I need to do to gut
my pre cats.  Any suggestions, do's don'ts.  Any and all advice would be
great. Thanks to all of you!

Michael

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:34:13 -0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject: Team3S: Mods in a Stock VR-4

Hi everyone:
My dream came thru!  I got my VR-4, 1996, Pearl white, only 14k miles.
It's all stock (virgin).

I want to start making some mods.

Which ones you recommend first?

HKS Mega flow filter
Borla exhaust system
Boost controller (electronic, which one)
HKS blow off valve
Wastegate upgrade, necessary?

Your input will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Victor L. Berrios
'93 3K GT, Base, Black
and '96 VR-4, Pearl white
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:08:33 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotor size

> The fronts on my '94 VR4 were measured at 322mm although others have
> reported slightly different measurements.  I double and triple checked at
> the time and they were 322mm.

1st gen is 296mm
2nd gen is 314mm

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:10:47 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mods in a Stock VR-4

> Which ones you recommend first?
>
> HKS Mega flow filter
> Borla exhaust system
> Boost controller (electronic, which one)
> HKS blow off valve
> Wastegate upgrade, necessary?

- - Filter
- - Boost Controller
- - BOV (not really)
- - Injectors, fuel computer, pump
- - gutting precats
- - exhaust
......

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:18:39 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mods in a Stock VR-4

> HKS Mega flow filter
> Borla exhaust system
> Boost controller (electronic, which one)
> HKS blow off valve
> Wastegate upgrade, necessary?

All except BOV.  No wastegate changes necessary with a boost controller.
Should put you close to 400hp.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:13:45 -0400
From: <profilevr4@3000gtvr4.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Gutting pre-cats

I have some instructions on my website:


http://www.3000gtvr4.net/mods/atr.html

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Shivy13@aol.com
To: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:34 PM
Subject: Team3S: Gutting pre-cats


      I know that this is probably a frequently asked question but I was
wondering if anyone can give me some idea on what exactly I need to do to
gut
my pre cats.  Any suggestions, do's don'ts.  Any and all advice would be
great. Thanks to all of you!

Michael


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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:16:58 -0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mods in a Stock VR-4

1/4 mile runs.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Merritt [mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:54 PM
To: Berrios, Victor L
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mods in a Stock VR-4


At 02:42 PM 4/3/01 -0500, you wrote:
>It's going to be a street car, but I may take it to the race track on the
>weekends.

drag or road course?

Rich

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:21:26 -0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mods in a Stock VR-4

Is this is the model with round front lights?

I have seen a lot of them here.

I went to a car show back in February and the Subaru was showing all of
their new models.
(I saw a Racing 2001 Jaguar, Ossom)


- -----Original Message-----
From: Schilberg, Darren [mailto:DSchilberg@freemarkets.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:13 PM
To: 'Berrios, Victor L'
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mods in a Stock VR-4


Nevermind.  You are in Puerto Rico.  Have you seen any new Subaru WRX cars
down that way at all?

- --Flash!

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:25:50 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Gutting pre-cats

> I was wondering if anyone can give me some idea on what exactly
> I need to do to gut my pre cats.  Any suggestions, do's don'ts.
> Any and all advice would be great. Thanks to all of you!

You need a long, large drill bit.  I used a 1" spade bit with about a 16"
shaft.  A bench grinder to sharpen the bit is nice to have, or at a minimum
a file to touch it up.  Put the parts in a vise to hold it.  After making
swiss cheese out of it with the drill, use a chisel and hammer to chop the
material into sections.  Use a long needle-nose pliers to pull the pieces
out.  The front pre-cat comes off easy.  The rear one - not so easy, but I
think it is easier to do a good job with it off the car (mine was off while
I was upgrading to 15G turbos, so it was a "freebie" for me.  Remove any
sensors that might be attached to any of the stuff you are working on to
prevent damaging them.

Use a dust mask and goggles for your eyes.  The dust is NASTY!

Figure on spending a good portion of an afternoon messing around with it.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:25:49 -0500
From: "Berrios, Victor L" <VLBerrios@rroads.med.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mods in a Stock VR-4

Thanks for all the input.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl (RTEC) [mailto:roger.gerl@bluewin.ch]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:11 PM
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mods in a Stock VR-4


> Which ones you recommend first?
>
> HKS Mega flow filter
> Borla exhaust system
> Boost controller (electronic, which one)
> HKS blow off valve
> Wastegate upgrade, necessary?

- - Filter
- - Boost Controller
- - BOV (not really)
- - Injectors, fuel computer, pump
- - gutting precats
- - exhaust
......

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:10:23 -0700
From: Danno <palermod@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Buying Tires on the Net

I know this is redundant.  Sorry.  Could someone recommend a reliable vendor for
tires?  I need a pair of  Yokohamas, 245/40-18 ZR, and am shopping price.
Alternatively, if someone has a used pair with at least 5k miles left, drop me a
note.

Thanks!

- - Dan
'95 Black VR4


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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:56:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Stegall III <fenix@mailroom.com>
Subject: Team3S: DSM Upgrades

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I have a friend who's a hard core DSMer (as I used to be) and he's got a bunch of stock parts from his car.  He has a 1st gen (90) Eclipse Turbo and he's willing to give me his BOV, Fuel Pump, and Fuel injectors, as well as his two turbos all for free.  I was wondering how many of these parts, or if all of these parts can be used as upgrades in our cars (or are some of those parts smaller in the DSMs than in ours) and if all of them can be used, is there any documentation on installation procedures and any mods needed to put these parts in our cars.  Also, obviously I need two turbos, but do I need more than one set of fuel injectors (4 injectors or more?  he has 4) will the BOV work and will it be better than the stock one, etc?  I have a 1994 VR-4 that's stock.  Thanks in advance.

John
1994 VR-4


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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:19:41 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rotor size

Well, like I said Roger, mine are 322 mm as measured with a caliber known to
be accurate.  They were also measured by AutoHaus when we (Brad and I) were
researching the Porsche brake kit and they came up with 322mm also.  No
explanation as to why mine are 8mm larger than what others report, other
than it is what it is.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Roger Gerl (RTEC)
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:09 PM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotor size
>
>
> > The fronts on my '94 VR4 were measured at 322mm although others have
> > reported slightly different measurements.  I double and triple
> checked at
> > the time and they were 322mm.
>
> 1st gen is 296mm
> 2nd gen is 314mm
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
> www.rtec.ch


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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:51:08 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: DSM Upgrades

> I have a friend who's a hard core DSMer (as I used to be) and
> he's got a bunch of stock parts from his car.  He has a 1st
> gen (90) Eclipse Turbo and he's willing to give me his BOV,
> Fuel Pump, and Fuel injectors, as well as his two turbos all
> for free.  I was wondering how many of these parts, or if all
> of these parts can be used as upgrades in our cars (or are
> some of those parts smaller in the DSMs than in ours) and if
> all of them can be used.

BOV will work with a fabricated adaptor.  Fuel pump is significantly worse
than the stock VR4 fuel pump.  Injectors will work, but you need 6 instead
of 4.  That'll upgrade you from 380cc injectors to 440cc.  It might or might
not run correctly with the stock ECU - a bit of a gamble there, which would
require an aftermarket fuel controller to correct the problem if it is too
rich.

Stock DSM turbo can be made to fit with fabrication work to mate it to the
exhaust manifold and to the downpipe - even worse for the back side turbo as
you'd have to create some piping and such for the pressurized output.  You
said "turbos" (plural) - I doubt he has two of the same kind of turbo, so
you would need to acquire a mate for one of his two which would work.  All
in all, way more trouble than it is worth.  Much easier to get 13G's or
15G's (or the compatible hybrids) and just bolt them in (which in itself is
a terrible pain in the butt).

> Is there any documentation on
> installation procedures and any mods needed to put these
> parts in our cars.  Also, obviously I need two turbos, but do
> I need more than one set of fuel injectors (4 injectors or
> more?  he has 4) will the BOV work and will it be better than
> the stock one, etc?  I have a 1994 VR-4 that's stock.  Thanks
> in advance.

Need 6 injectors.  BOV is better than the stock 3/S one, but as I said - it
requires an adaptor.  Other than that, there isn't much that you can use
easily.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:01:58 -0500
From: "Oskar" <osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S: Rear strut tower bar - installation question

What is the correct method for installing a rear strut tower bar on my TT?
I have seen posts suggesting that the rear should be on the ground, while
others state that the rear shoud be jacked up.  Seems to me that the car
should be on the ground.  Also, how much should the bar be tightened.

Thanks,
Oskar
'95 R/T TT


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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 03:51:30 EDT
From: LizVong21@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: motor for sale

I have a modified 3.2 yes 3.2 liter motor for sale from a 92 stealth twin
turbo motor has tons of mods including JE pistons polished and ported heads
and one big intercooler . will sell really cheap need to get it out of the
garage never been started . call me at 605-310-3439


Vong Teso
SF,SD

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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:29:26 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Team3S: Fidanza Flywheels Group Buy (expires end of April)

Guys and Gals
There is a group buy just started up from 3SXperts.com that offers the
Fidanza aluminum flywheel for our cars.

If at least 10 of our members total will buy from them on a group buy for
both TT's and NA's they will offer them for $375 shipped to the door for
NA's and $390 for TT's (in the continental USA). The prices will even go
lower when there are 25 buyers, $350 for the NA's and $365 for the TTs !
Normal prices can be found around $429 for the NA and $489 for the TT, so
it's a great deal IMHO.

Weight of it is only 11lbs (22 lbs stock flywheel for TT) and 8 lbs (15 lbs
stock NA).

This offer would expire at the end of April.

If you are interested email Steve at Steve@3SXperts.com

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Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch



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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fuel pump flow tests and voltage drop

Hi all,

I had RC Engineering flow test my 56,000-mile-old stock Stealth TT
fuel pump and the Denso 95130-1020 (aka Supra Turbo pump) I installed
about 2000 miles ago. For those interested, the results are at my
fuel pump upgrade web page at the link below.

http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius2/j2-2-fuelpumpguide.htm

The TT/VR4 pump flowed below expected (usually rated at 180 lph @43
psi @ 12 V, or so I have seen reported) and I expect this is because
it is old. Something to think about for you guys modifying older
cars. The "Supra" pump flowed as expected.

Some of you might remember that a year ago I mentioned that the "same
as 340 lph HKS" pump I bought from one of the 3S specialty shops had
the part numbers ground off. I removed the pump last month and took a
close look at it. I can barely make out the "1020" under the
grinding. The RC flow test verifies that this is not a 340 lph pump.
Good thing I never installed those 720 injectors!

RCE only tested the flow at 13.5 V, which leads to my question. Has
anyone measured the voltage AT THE PUMP?

Looking at the our circuit diagrams I have found the following
current path to the pump.

1) Battery [+ terminal]
2) Fusible link [30A term. 4]
3) Ignition switch [IG1]
4) Multipurpose fuse [15A term. 12]
5) Engine control relay
6) Fuel pump relay
  6a) Resistor [switched by ECU at idle through the pump relay]
7) Fuel pump
8) Chassis ground [-] at point number 10 in luggage compartment

I don't recognize any device here (other than the resistor) that
would reduce the voltage to the pump from the nominal (greater than)
13.4 operating voltage (from the alternator when ambient is less than
140ºF). Am I wrong?

I am guessing that the pump might draw about 8 amps at 60-70 psi load
(less amps at lower psi). The current wire is 1.25mm, or about 16
gage, and should have a resistance of 0.0047 ohms per foot. Figuring
maybe 14 feet of wire to the pump gives about 0.5 V max voltage drop
(8A x (0.0047ohm/ft x 14') = 0.5 V.

My guess is that we should always see about 13 volts or more to the
pump. Has anybody measured this?

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

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