team3s            Saturday, March 24 2001            Volume 01 : Number 443




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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:21:24 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: New member

Check the  FAQ section of the Team3S site, Jeff Lucius's
site [ www.stealth316.com ] also has a good selection of
tech articles and links.

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: John Sterling <jsterlin@lan.tjhsst.edu>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
> My friend just got himself a vr-4 and i thought i'd take the chance to
> learn about them, especially because he'll probably be expecting me to
> help him with most of his installations.  I'd also like to learn about
> some of the Supra's best competition.
>
> What I was wondering was if there is a site that details the
> installation of modifications (much like the tech articles on the
> mkiv.com site



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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:51:39 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Open track newbie

Jim

Get a couple of books on car control and setup and read as
much as you can before your trip to the track.
Understanding the dynamics of racing and the terminology
will help a lot when the instructor talks you through a situation.

Words of wisdom --- take your time, don't try to be Schumacher
your first time out. The biggest problem I have is trying to learn
the whole track at once --- pick a couple of good corners learn
them then move on to another section.
Don't overdrive the car, the key is to be smooth and controlled,
speed will come later.



        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Elferdink <macintosh@sunra.com>

> Hello all--and especially you open-trackers:
>
> Spring is here and I'm about to get my VR-4 out on the track at Thunderhill
> in Northern California. I've owned this car for almost a year and have done
> a lot of barnstorming through the mountains, but I've never had it on a real
> track.
> I've been lurking on the list for about a year and have learned a lot from
> you all, and love reading Merritt's track reports. Now I'd really appreciate
> any tips or words of wisdom before I don my helmet.



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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:59:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Open track newbie

I lost the original message I meant to reply to..

But I didnt mean brake pad choice didnt totally matter, but on the stock
calipers (they are just ugly small for this) its quite easy to heavily
overcook even the R4 race compound pads.

Someone who has some time under them, who understands brake control..could
get away with the stock calipers for a period of time..yes.

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Jim Berry wrote:

> Jim
>
> Get a couple of books on car control and setup and read as
> much as you can before your trip to the track.
> Understanding the dynamics of racing and the terminology
> will help a lot when the instructor talks you through a situation.
>
> Words of wisdom --- take your time, don't try to be Schumacher
> your first time out. The biggest problem I have is trying to learn
> the whole track at once --- pick a couple of good corners learn
> them then move on to another section.
> Don't overdrive the car, the key is to be smooth and controlled,
> speed will come later.
>
>
>
>         Jim Berry
> =================================================
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Elferdink <macintosh@sunra.com>
>
> > Hello all--and especially you open-trackers:
> >
> > Spring is here and I'm about to get my VR-4 out on the track at Thunderhill
> > in Northern California. I've owned this car for almost a year and have done
> > a lot of barnstorming through the mountains, but I've never had it on a real
> > track.
> > I've been lurking on the list for about a year and have learned a lot from
> > you all, and love reading Merritt's track reports. Now I'd really appreciate
> > any tips or words of wisdom before I don my helmet.
>
>
>
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>

- ---
Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedtoys.com
California, USA

I own a lotta cars.  But in the best interests of not having to continualy
edit this file to meet the needs of eight specific lists, and no to awaken the
idiots within others who think -thier- cars are the best and Im a fool for
having anything -but- thier kind of car..I have not listed them.  If Im on
the list you are reading..I have one.


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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:02:44 -0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Open track newbie

Hello Newbie Jim!

IMHO, cornering grip and corner exit speeds are more important than ultimate
braking force and accelleration.

One of the most disappointing aspects of a "stock" car on the track will be
excessive understeer.  Lighter cars with a lot less power but shod with
track tires will be going faster than you in the corners and will be right
on your tail.  The sad fact is that street tires become too greasy and won't
stick after two laps.  On my last track outing, I had Kumho 712's with stock
alignment, i.e. 0.0 front camber -- I experienced mucho understeer :(.

Suggestions:
If  you can afford it, track tires and forged race wheels would be very
desirable.  If you aren't too far from the track, you could mount Kumho race
tires on your stock rims and drive to the track.  Costco will mount and spin
balance 4 tires for $36.

Also, set your front camber very negative, about -2.5 to -3.0 degrees should
be good.  You might want to consider getting front adjustable camber plates
(~$250, probably my next purchase) so you can set camber to 0.0 degrees for
street driving and extended tire wear, then set to negative camber at the
track.  A good alignment shop can mark 0.0 and -3.0 settings on your plates
and tell you how many "turns" to adjust toe when you switch between camber
settings.

Others have already mentioned brakes.  You will be fine with race pads and
stock calipers as long as you don't use your brakes at 100% capacity all the
time.  Remember, you won't be racing, so you can go a little easy on the
brakes.  If you slam on them all the time, they will overheat and warp the
rotors, even the cryo treated Porterfields (yes, I warped mine).

See you at the track!
Ken Middaugh
down San Diego way...


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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:18:41 -0000
From: "George Shaw" <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Open track newbie

Jim

What books do you recommend, in the UK there is a real shortage of "driver
skills" material and no video to be seen. There are a very few driving
schools that teach track (mostly rally). In Northern Ireland we have one
track and two converted airfields, but we breed one hell of a rally driver
:)

Get a couple of books on car control and setup and read as
much as you can before your trip to the track.

        Jim Berry



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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:03:11 -0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Open track newbie

The one I am reading is "Going Faster: Mastering the Art of Race Driving" by
the Skip Barber School (link below to it and then a link to the UK site for
you).  Very general and good from basic to technical.  Diagrams of corners
and setup to reinforce the text.

Now why didn't I take that study abroad in Northern Ireland back in college.
Rally driving would have been a blast with those rental cars.  <grin>

http://www.newsonf1.com/books/mr-titles.htm
<http://www.newsonf1.com/books/mr-titles.htm>

UK site -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0837602270/f1news/026-2764386-03796
60
<http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0837602270/f1news/026-2764386-0379
660>

- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, rollbar, harnesses, and a custom spark plug
plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm <http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm>

- -----Original Message-----
From: George Shaw [mailto:george.shaw@btinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 4:19 AM
To: Team3S Technical Forum
Subject: RE: Team3S: Open track newbie


Jim

What books do you recommend, in the UK there is a real shortage of "driver
skills" material and no video to be seen. There are a very few driving
schools that teach track (mostly rally). In Northern Ireland we have one
track and two converted airfields, but we breed one hell of a rally driver
:)

Get a couple of books on car control and setup and read as
much as you can before your trip to the track.

        Jim Berry



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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:11:07 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Open track newbie

"Going Faster"  I forget the author.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Shaw [SMTP:george.shaw@btinternet.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:19 AM
> To: Team3S Technical Forum
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Open track newbie
>
>
> Jim
>
> What books do you recommend, in the UK there is a real shortage of "driver
> skills" material and no video to be seen. There are a very few driving
> schools that teach track (mostly rally). In Northern Ireland we have one
> track and two converted airfields, but we breed one hell of a rally driver
> :)
>
> Get a couple of books on car control and setup and read as
> much as you can before your trip to the track.
>
>         Jim Berry
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:13:58 -0600
From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: Team3S: How things work

Can somebody explain to me if/why the rear wheels in an AWD car travel at a
different speed than the front wheels?

John Basol
'95 RT/TT



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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:19:39 -0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: How things work

They can not travel at a different speed or else the center differential
gets REAL upset.  That is why you have to have the same size tires on the
back as on the front.

I tried to change this for fun on a small road course and the same turn at
65 mph that felt good with street tires I took at 45 mph and the back end
started to slide out.  The center diff thought it had some slippage but
there was not.  Not good to do.

Thanks to the viscous coupling back there they can turn a few degrees in a
turn and still maintain all the right stuff they are supposed to.

There are three differentials on these cars (front, center, and rear) but
the front and center are up near the engine and the rear is in front of the
crossover exhaust pipe in the rear.

I think Jeff has all this gory detail on his page at www.stealth316.com.


- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, rollbar, harnesses, and a custom spark plug
plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Basol, John [mailto:jbasol@Carlson.com]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 10:14 AM
To: Team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: How things work

Can somebody explain to me if/why the rear wheels in an AWD car travel at a
different speed than the front wheels?

John Basol
'95 RT/TT

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:25:47 -0500
From: Mark Hindelang <hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Check This Out

http://www.sunrisemitsubishi.com/



is it true??? the Evo VII to hit USA?

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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:03:53 -0000
From: "George Shaw" <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Quick Shift

I read here some time back that a "quick shift" for the 3000 GT TT was not
possible due to configuration of the original. Well not to start a war, but
this was posted on the UK owner's club bulletin board today.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Some of you may recall my note (a short while ago) mentioning that we were
in the process of having a number of Quick shifts manufactured for GTO's.
We are now in possession of the 1st batch and are already filling the
orders. We have one fitted to the 91TT I brought to the last Box Hill meet
as does Andy Flower in his black TT (also at Box Hill) and with no sloppy
gear changes, he says changing gear is a pleasure!
Our Quick shifts come fitted at a cost of £270.00, for any further info,
call us direct at Kempwood on 01420 476666
Happy Motoring Guys
Stevie Robb
KEMPWOOD AUTOS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have already been in contact and this is the answer I got back..

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Our 'Quick shifts' do indeed compromise a 'shorter' stick . . . as well as a
longer throw at the bottom and a raised platform. We can also replace your
original nylon bush (which are usually well worn) with a new bush tailored
to fit your stick if required (or if it's worn) manufactured from Phosphor
Bronze which is a natural bearing material.

To answer your other question, our 'shifts' are tailored for 5 speeds and
will suit your vehicle.

For any further details, please feel free to contact us, here at Kempwood,
at any time. We're always pleased to help

Regards

Stevie Robb
Kempwood Autos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I intend ordering one next week and will keep you all posted, if anyone is
interested in this kit please contact Stevie Robb direct.

His email is   stevie_robb@hotmail.com

Hope this is of use to someone.



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