team3s
Saturday, March 24
2001 Volume 01
: Number
443
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Date:
Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:21:24 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
New member
Check the FAQ section of the Team3S site, Jeff
Lucius's
site [
www.stealth316.com ]
also has a good selection of
tech articles and
links.
Jim
Berry
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- ----- Original
Message -----
From: John Sterling <
jsterlin@lan.tjhsst.edu>
To:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
> My friend just got himself a vr-4 and i thought i'd take the chance
to
> learn about them, especially because he'll probably be expecting me
to
> help him with most of his installations. I'd also like to learn
about
> some of the Supra's best competition.
>
> What I was
wondering was if there is a site that details the
> installation of
modifications (much like the tech articles on the
> mkiv.com
site
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:51:39
-0800
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Open track newbie
Jim
Get a couple of books on car control and
setup and read as
much as you can before your trip to the
track.
Understanding the dynamics of racing and the terminology
will help
a lot when the instructor talks you through a situation.
Words of wisdom
--- take your time, don't try to be Schumacher
your first time out. The
biggest problem I have is trying to learn
the whole track at once --- pick a
couple of good corners learn
them then move on to another section.
Don't
overdrive the car, the key is to be smooth and controlled,
speed will come
later.
Jim
Berry
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Original Message -----
From: Jim Elferdink <
macintosh@sunra.com>
> Hello
all--and especially you open-trackers:
>
> Spring is here and I'm
about to get my VR-4 out on the track at Thunderhill
> in Northern
California. I've owned this car for almost a year and have done
> a lot of
barnstorming through the mountains, but I've never had it on a real
>
track.
> I've been lurking on the list for about a year and have learned a
lot from
> you all, and love reading Merritt's track reports. Now I'd
really appreciate
> any tips or words of wisdom before I don my
helmet.
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:59:19
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Open track newbie
I lost the original message I meant to
reply to..
But I didnt mean brake pad choice didnt totally matter, but on
the stock
calipers (they are just ugly small for this) its quite easy to
heavily
overcook even the R4 race compound pads.
Someone who has some
time under them, who understands brake control..could
get away with the stock
calipers for a period of time..yes.
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Jim Berry
wrote:
> Jim
>
> Get a couple of books on car control
and setup and read as
> much as you can before your trip to the
track.
> Understanding the dynamics of racing and the terminology
>
will help a lot when the instructor talks you through a situation.
>
> Words of wisdom --- take your time, don't try to be Schumacher
>
your first time out. The biggest problem I have is trying to learn
> the
whole track at once --- pick a couple of good corners learn
> them then
move on to another section.
> Don't overdrive the car, the key is to be
smooth and controlled,
> speed will come later.
>
>
>
> Jim Berry
>
=================================================
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Elferdink <
macintosh@sunra.com>
>
>
> Hello all--and especially you open-trackers:
> >
> >
Spring is here and I'm about to get my VR-4 out on the track at
Thunderhill
> > in Northern California. I've owned this car for almost
a year and have done
> > a lot of barnstorming through the mountains,
but I've never had it on a real
> > track.
> > I've been
lurking on the list for about a year and have learned a lot from
> >
you all, and love reading Merritt's track reports. Now I'd really
appreciate
> > any tips or words of wisdom before I don my
helmet.
>
>
>
> *** Info:
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>
- ---
Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@speedtoys.com>
California, USA
I own a lotta cars. But in the best interests
of not having to continualy
edit this file to meet the needs of eight
specific lists, and no to awaken the
idiots within others who think -thier-
cars are the best and Im a fool for
having anything -but- thier kind of
car..I have not listed them. If Im on
the list you are reading..I have
one.
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:02:44
-0800
From: "Ken Middaugh" <
kmiddaugh@ixpres.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Open track newbie
Hello Newbie Jim!
IMHO, cornering grip
and corner exit speeds are more important than ultimate
braking force and
accelleration.
One of the most disappointing aspects of a "stock" car on
the track will be
excessive understeer. Lighter cars with a lot less
power but shod with
track tires will be going faster than you in the corners
and will be right
on your tail. The sad fact is that street tires
become too greasy and won't
stick after two laps. On my last track
outing, I had Kumho 712's with stock
alignment, i.e. 0.0 front camber -- I
experienced mucho understeer :(.
Suggestions:
If you can afford
it, track tires and forged race wheels would be very
desirable. If you
aren't too far from the track, you could mount Kumho race
tires on your stock
rims and drive to the track. Costco will mount and spin
balance 4 tires
for $36.
Also, set your front camber very negative, about -2.5 to -3.0
degrees should
be good. You might want to consider getting front
adjustable camber plates
(~$250, probably my next purchase) so you can set
camber to 0.0 degrees for
street driving and extended tire wear, then set to
negative camber at the
track. A good alignment shop can mark 0.0 and
-3.0 settings on your plates
and tell you how many "turns" to adjust toe when
you switch between camber
settings.
Others have already mentioned
brakes. You will be fine with race pads and
stock calipers as long as
you don't use your brakes at 100% capacity all the
time. Remember, you
won't be racing, so you can go a little easy on the
brakes. If you slam
on them all the time, they will overheat and warp the
rotors, even the cryo
treated Porterfields (yes, I warped mine).
See you at the track!
Ken
Middaugh
down San Diego way...
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:18:41
-0000
From: "George Shaw" <
george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Open track newbie
Jim
What books do you recommend, in
the UK there is a real shortage of "driver
skills" material and no video to
be seen. There are a very few driving
schools that teach track (mostly
rally). In Northern Ireland we have one
track and two converted airfields,
but we breed one hell of a rally driver
:)
Get a couple of books on
car control and setup and read as
much as you can before your trip to the
track.
Jim
Berry
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:03:11
-0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Open track newbie
The one I am reading is "Going Faster:
Mastering the Art of Race Driving" by
the Skip Barber School (link below to
it and then a link to the UK site for
you). Very general and good from
basic to technical. Diagrams of corners
and setup to reinforce the
text.
Now why didn't I take that study abroad in Northern Ireland back in
college.
Rally driving would have been a blast with those rental cars.
<grin>
http://www.newsonf1.com/books/mr-titles.htm<
http://www.newsonf1.com/books/mr-titles.htm>
UK site -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0837602270/f1news/026-2764386-0379660
<
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0837602270/f1news/026-2764386-0379660>
- --Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, rollbar, harnesses, and a custom spark
plug
plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm
<
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm>
- -----Original Message-----
From: George Shaw
[mailto:george.shaw@btinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 4:19
AM
To: Team3S Technical Forum
Subject: RE: Team3S: Open track
newbie
Jim
What books do you recommend, in the UK there is a
real shortage of "driver
skills" material and no video to be seen. There are
a very few driving
schools that teach track (mostly rally). In Northern
Ireland we have one
track and two converted airfields, but we breed one hell
of a rally driver
:)
Get a couple of books on car control and setup
and read as
much as you can before your trip to the
track.
Jim
Berry
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:11:07
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Open track newbie
"Going Faster" I forget the
author.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Shaw
[SMTP:george.shaw@btinternet.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:19
AM
> To: Team3S Technical Forum
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Open track
newbie
>
>
> Jim
>
> What books do you
recommend, in the UK there is a real shortage of "driver
> skills"
material and no video to be seen. There are a very few driving
> schools
that teach track (mostly rally). In Northern Ireland we have one
> track
and two converted airfields, but we breed one hell of a rally driver
>
:)
>
> Get a couple of books on car control and setup and read
as
> much as you can before your trip to the track.
>
> Jim Berry
>
>
>
> *** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:13:58
-0600
From: "Basol, John" <
jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: Team3S:
How things work
Can somebody explain to me if/why the rear wheels in an
AWD car travel at a
different speed than the front wheels?
John
Basol
'95 RT/TT
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:19:39
-0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: How things work
They can not travel at a different speed or
else the center differential
gets REAL upset. That is why you have to
have the same size tires on the
back as on the front.
I tried to
change this for fun on a small road course and the same turn at
65 mph that
felt good with street tires I took at 45 mph and the back end
started to
slide out. The center diff thought it had some slippage but
there was
not. Not good to do.
Thanks to the viscous coupling back there they
can turn a few degrees in a
turn and still maintain all the right stuff they
are supposed to.
There are three differentials on these cars (front,
center, and rear) but
the front and center are up near the engine and the
rear is in front of the
crossover exhaust pipe in the rear.
I think
Jeff has all this gory detail on his page at
www.stealth316.com.
-
--Flash!
dschilberg@pobox.com3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ Big Reds, rollbar, harnesses, and a custom spark
plug
plate
http://www.team3s.com/FAQrollbar.htm-
-----Original Message-----
From: Basol, John
[mailto:jbasol@Carlson.com]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 10:14 AM
To:
Team3s@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: How things work
Can somebody explain to me if/why the rear wheels
in an AWD car travel at a
different speed than the front wheels?
John
Basol
'95 RT/TT
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:25:47
-0500
From: Mark Hindelang <
hindelan@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject:
Team3S: Check This Out
http://www.sunrisemitsubishi.com/
is it true??? the Evo VII to hit USA?
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:03:53
-0000
From: "George Shaw" <
george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Quick Shift
I read here some time back that a "quick shift" for
the 3000 GT TT was not
possible due to configuration of the original. Well
not to start a war, but
this was posted on the UK owner's club bulletin board
today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Some
of you may recall my note (a short while ago) mentioning that we were
in the
process of having a number of Quick shifts manufactured for GTO's.
We are now
in possession of the 1st batch and are already filling the
orders. We have
one fitted to the 91TT I brought to the last Box Hill meet
as does Andy
Flower in his black TT (also at Box Hill) and with no sloppy
gear changes, he
says changing gear is a pleasure!
Our Quick shifts come fitted at a cost of
£270.00, for any further info,
call us direct at Kempwood on 01420
476666
Happy Motoring Guys
Stevie Robb
KEMPWOOD
AUTOS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I
have already been in contact and this is the answer I got
back..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Our
'Quick shifts' do indeed compromise a 'shorter' stick . . . as well as
a
longer throw at the bottom and a raised platform. We can also replace
your
original nylon bush (which are usually well worn) with a new bush
tailored
to fit your stick if required (or if it's worn) manufactured from
Phosphor
Bronze which is a natural bearing material.
To answer your
other question, our 'shifts' are tailored for 5 speeds and
will suit your
vehicle.
For any further details, please feel free to contact us, here at
Kempwood,
at any time. We're always pleased to
help
Regards
Stevie Robb
Kempwood
Autos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I
intend ordering one next week and will keep you all posted, if anyone
is
interested in this kit please contact Stevie Robb direct.
His email
is
stevie_robb@hotmail.comHope
this is of use to
someone.
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