team3s             Tuesday, March 20 2001             Volume 01 : Number 440




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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:22:36 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: WI Life expectancy

> From what I've read about Spitfires and Aero engines in general, the
>supercharger in the Spitfire was used primarily to maintain sea level
>horsepower at higher altitudes. The supercharger was disconnected at low
>altitude.

Umpf, didn't knew that the Spitfire had a Supercharger as well. At least
the German BF109 had the same system too and it could be activated during
dogfight for about 5 minutes. The engine had a supercharger that had
limited boost with a pressure valve. This valve stays closed when the
system got activated therefore produced more boost.

>All of us who modify our Engines and race our cars are shortening our
>engines lives anyway.

Unfortunately yes, but with WI it helps to increase life ! Otherwise
deotnation and preignition my happen what kills the internals. With WI,
these bad signs can be lowered what helps to keep the fun longer :-)

The only problems are overcooling and rust. I'm positive that the large
engines in the WW2 fighters where not using much aluminum parts like heads
and intakes. Therefore injectioning water did some bad to the internals
when used too long. With todays material, I don't see big problems i nthis
case anymore.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:17:26 EST
From: StealthCT@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: HP Calculation

What is the formula for calculating HP when you know your cars weight, time and trap speed through the quarter mile?  Is the product of this calculation the HP at the wheels or the crank?  Regards  Charles

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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:04:08 -0600
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: HP Calculation

Here is a simple calculator from the DSM world:
http://www.dsm.org/tools/calchp.htm

Just remember these are "rough" estimates.

later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org


>From: StealthCT@aol.com
>To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject: Team3S: HP Calculation
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:17:26 EST
>
>What is the formula for calculating HP when you know your cars weight, time
>and trap speed through the quarter mile?  Is the product of this
>calculation the HP at the wheels or the crank?  Regards  Charles
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:05:41 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: HP Calculation

There are a couple of ways to approach this.  These are at best
approximations and subject to error from a number of factors not considered,
but it will give you an idea.  Try both calculations and you will find that
the results will rarely agree.  Really what it tells you is the HP required
to do what was done, not how much HP the thing that did it actually
produces.

1320 time:
hp = weight / (ET / 5.825)^3

or 1320' speed:
hp = weight * (speed / 234)^3

This is (obviously) HP at the wheels.


Barry


> -----Original Message-----
>
> What is the formula for calculating HP when you know your cars
> weight, time and trap speed through the quarter mile?  Is the
> product of this calculation the HP at the wheels or the crank?
> Regards  Charles


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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:08:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: HP Calculation

Go to the Tech Page at my web site. I have a section there with
formulas and calculators (links to other sites) that will tell you
more than you want to know. Web searches often turn up good finds
also. I believe most of these calculators are guessing at engine HP
(I would think using V8-powered real-wheel drive cars as examples for
their empirical formulas, maybe with drag slicks and perfect
launches?).

You can use simple physics formulas for calculating average and
instantaneous *wheel* power (which is the only kind that matters on
the streets). I have a review at the link below.

http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/2-fwp.htm

John Lawlor has a book out with tons of this stuff in it: Auto Math
Handbook - Basic Calculations, Formulas, Equations and Theory for
Automotive Enthusiasts, 1992, HPBooks, 146 p.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <StealthCT@aol.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 6:17 AM
Subject: Team3S: HP Calculation

What is the formula for calculating HP when you know your cars
weight, time and trap speed through the quarter mile?  Is the product
of this calculation the HP at the wheels or the crank?  Regards
Charles


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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:22:32 -0600
From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: Team3S: 5 Speed Viscous Coupling

I have a quick question that those of you have taken the Getrags apart will
be able to answer for me (Cough, cough,.. Jeff!!!)  :-)

A friend of mine just bought a '92 RT/TT, and was told that the center diff
or viscous coupling was shot.  Upon removing the tranny this weekend he
found that he was able to spin the inner splines of the viscous coupling
(using the shaft that slides into it).  There was resistance, but he was
able to turn it.  Everything looked good inside the tranny, front and center
diffs looked fine, all the gears and synchros looked good.  We're just
wondering about that viscous coupling.  Didn't look damaged or blued, so
we're thinking it's OK.   Thoughts?

John Basol

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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:45:21 -0800
From: George Yin <gyin@vt.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Ticket

I got a little problem and I need some help. I got a ticket this weekend
for having my window tint too dark. I was wondering if anyone has some
pictures of their hunter green second generation 3k. I can get the ticket
dismissed if I take my tint off, but that is a waste of $200. I will
appreciate anyone that can help. Heck, I'll even pay for the pictures.
Reply privately at gyin@vt.edu or call (540)232-4486. I need the pictures ASAP.

George



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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:18:00 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Vr4 Downpipe recommendations?

> The Stillen is of an overall better quality made compared to
> the others. It also includes a flex section to reduce the
> stress to the contections. The flanges are made better than
> from the ATR. Its lenght is exactly to the stock cat-back
> and fits very good. As it replaces the front precat already
> it is my recommendeation and the higher price (you can find
> it below $400) is ok for the quality.

Is it possible to get the Stillen pipe with flanges to fit a main cat on it?
Does it also have the O2 sensor connections for later model cars?

I've got the Alamo pipe and the construction quality is terrible.  The rear
exhaust manifold flange doesn't line up with the flange on the pipe, so
exhaust leaks around it, the pipe bangs against the frame near the same
location, and now the flex section is deteriorating and falling apart.

Unhappy.  :-(  I know Alamo has a lifetime warranty on the pipe, but I don't
want to have to go through this again in another year.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:32:22 -0600
From: "john adams" <johnqadamsiii@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: two questions

Here's a quick question or two. (First thanks for the previous advice).
 It may seem silly, but do our cars require a spacer beneath the
battery to prevent current leak out (mine came w/ one, though i was
never concerned with it on other, more normal cars)? In essence I
suppose the rubber of the tires shoudl act as an insulator. I think roger
was on the right track with the battery being part of my problem (under
rated, for one)- and perhaps  also the alternator which i just removed and
am having tested.  Secondly, someone had installed a cheap viper alarm
system under the dash and left a real mess of the wires, plus part of the
 unit had corroded into oblivion. Anyway, I have these two bosch 12v relays
with 5 male spade terminals that sat up high in the underdash i was
curious about. I thought probably it was from the alarm install, but
wasnt sure. They're black and have 0 332 204 150 numbers on each.  I
thought I
might ask first before I chunked them into the trash bin - they sure dont
appear in the manual, but that at times is abstract. Thanksamil...

later,
john 93 stealth


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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:51:31 -0800
From: "Maupin, Justin" <Justin.Maupin@kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Problem

Ok so I am a moron, the problem origionally occured when I pulled out the
radio and cd player do to cd problems... found a blown fuse.  Ok... So I had
the radio just sitting there in the brackets didn't bother putting the
screws back in to hold it in place if I was just going to be pulling it back
and forth trying to get the cd player to work... well after driving around
like that for awhile... I started having intermittent operation... well
playing around with it I noticed that if I touched the sides of the dual din
bracket to the mounting bracket the stereo would come on and then go off...
closer inspection showed a spark when the connection was made... 

Well since the stereo needs to be properly grounded (-12v) to operate,
without the screws forming a connection between the stereo bracket and the
mounting bracket (there is a plastic insert in between the two)the stereo
just wouldn't run...

Thanks for the advice guys... but I guess it was the ID10.T error!

Justin



- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Stanton [mailto:tt007ken@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:26 AM
To: Maupin, Justin
Cc: team3S@stealth-3000gt. st (E-mail)
Subject: Re: Team3S: New Problem


Hi Justin,

Sounds like you have a bad connection in the back of the radio.  They are
really easy to remove, and you can check those connections back there.
Carefully pry the plastic radio trim away (I've found that prying from the
bottom works best) and set it aside.  Remove the 4 phillips head screws
facing
you, making sure you have a grip on the radio!  It is now in your hands,
pull
it carefully toward you and set it securely on the center console.  Inspect
the
wires for broken connections, the connectors for loose plugs, and the like.
Also, be aware that black electrical tape _may_ mean that someone has
'tapped'
into these wires for power to a radar detector or the like.  These
connections
sometimes break.  If you or someone you know has some electrical experience,
check all the connections with a voltmeter for power and ground connections,
and let us know what you find!

Best of luck,
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT
Organizer - 3SI Rochester(NY)

"Maupin, Justin" wrote:

> I have discovered a strange new problem with my car... wondering if anyone
> has any ideas... My stock head unit, 2 din, has intermittent operations...
> sometimes it will work and sometimes it won't...  I get in the car one
time
> and the lights are on the clock display, the next time I get in its blank
> and pressing the power button does nothing.
>
> If anyone has any ideas...
>
> Justin
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:09:41 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: New Problem

You are not a moron - a moron cannot uncover his own mistakes.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maupin, Justin [SMTP:Justin.Maupin@kla-tencor.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:52 PM
> To: team3S@stealth-3000gt. st (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Team3S: New Problem
>
> Ok so I am a moron, the problem origionally occured when I pulled out the
> radio and cd player do to cd problems... found a blown fuse.  Ok... So I
> had
> the radio just sitting there in the brackets didn't bother putting the
> screws back in to hold it in place if I was just going to be pulling it
> back
> and forth trying to get the cd player to work... well after driving around
> like that for awhile... I started having intermittent operation... well
> playing around with it I noticed that if I touched the sides of the dual
> din
> bracket to the mounting bracket the stereo would come on and then go
> off...
> closer inspection showed a spark when the connection was made... 
>
> Well since the stereo needs to be properly grounded (-12v) to operate,
> without the screws forming a connection between the stereo bracket and the
> mounting bracket (there is a plastic insert in between the two)the stereo
> just wouldn't run...
>
> Thanks for the advice guys... but I guess it was the ID10.T error!
>
> Justin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Stanton [mailto:tt007ken@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:26 AM
> To: Maupin, Justin
> Cc: team3S@stealth-3000gt. st (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: Team3S: New Problem
>
>
> Hi Justin,
>
> Sounds like you have a bad connection in the back of the radio.  They are
> really easy to remove, and you can check those connections back there.
> Carefully pry the plastic radio trim away (I've found that prying from the
> bottom works best) and set it aside.  Remove the 4 phillips head screws
> facing
> you, making sure you have a grip on the radio!  It is now in your hands,
> pull
> it carefully toward you and set it securely on the center console.
> Inspect
> the
> wires for broken connections, the connectors for loose plugs, and the
> like.
> Also, be aware that black electrical tape _may_ mean that someone has
> 'tapped'
> into these wires for power to a radar detector or the like.  These
> connections
> sometimes break.  If you or someone you know has some electrical
> experience,
> check all the connections with a voltmeter for power and ground
> connections,
> and let us know what you find!
>
> Best of luck,
> Ken Stanton
> '91 Pearl White RT/TT
> Organizer - 3SI Rochester(NY)
>
> "Maupin, Justin" wrote:
>
> > I have discovered a strange new problem with my car... wondering if
> anyone
> > has any ideas... My stock head unit, 2 din, has intermittent
> operations...
> > sometimes it will work and sometimes it won't...  I get in the car one
> time
> > and the lights are on the clock display, the next time I get in its
> blank
> > and pressing the power button does nothing.
> >
> > If anyone has any ideas...
> >
> > Justin
> >
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:54:05 -0800
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine 'Cleaning' for lifters?

> For all those who have done the deep cleaning bath for their engines,
> how are they doing now?  Many of us are still wondering how
> it works to see if it can help our cars.  Be in touch!

FWIW, I've done a ridiculous amount of work to get rid of the ticking in my
engine.  Some of it was definitely lash adjuster-related, but after last
summer's thorough cleaning, I wonder if some of the ticking wasn't valve
interference.  In any case, here's the shortened version:

Summer '99
Ticking very noticeable and annoying.  Flushed engine, ran combinations of
Marvel Mystery Oil, Mobil1 10W30, and Mobil 10W30 to clean out any crap that
had built up in there.  Marginal results.  Ran some industrial strength
valve/injector cleaner (BG 44K) through.  Ticking went away.

Summer '00
Ticking started returning.  For other reasons, I found out that I had a lot
of carbon buildup on my pistons/valves.  Ran more BG44K through.  Helped,
but only a little.  Then thoroughly cleaned out
cylinders/pistons/valves/intake/etc. with Mopar Combustion Chamber Cleaner.
Ticking (and pinging) GONE.  Hasn't come back.  Engine's running like a
champ - smooth, quiet, and pulls hard. 

- --Erik


- ------                                             ----------
Erik Gross                                         DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT (NA, DOHC, 5-speed)          76,000 mi
   BALD Firestone Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
   AGING Stock Suspension
SOON: Firehawk SZ50EP 2?5/40/17 tires on 17" StealthTT wheels
SOON: Aftermarket Springs/Shocks/Struts (GC/GAB?)
   Magnacor KV85 spark plug wires, NGK plugs @ 0.040"
   K&N FIPK, Mobil 1 10W30 w/ OEM oil filter, Skippy PCV CC
'94 Algae Blue "fun to slide around corners" Corolla 74,000mi
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:49:02 -0600
From: "Mark Wendlandt" <stealth_tt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: two questions

John,

The only reason for the spacer is to position the battery correctly for
mounting...so the bar that holds the battery in place is effective.  Without
the spacer the battery will sit about an inch lower and the bar that is
supposed to hold the battery tight to the tray will not do its job. 
Secondly, to drain your battery, you need a path from the positive terminal
to the negative terminal of your battery(your tires being rubber has nothing
to do with it..wrong ground).  The path can be either through a dome light,
some powered electronics(ie. alarm) or a SEVERELY corroded and dirty
battery/terminals for example.

Hope this helps.

Mark Wendlandt
'91RT/TT


>From: "john adams" <johnqadamsiii@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: "john adams" <johnqadamsiii@yahoo.com>
>To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject: Team3S: two questions
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:32:22 -0600
>
>Here's a quick question or two. (First thanks for the previous advice).
>  It may seem silly, but do our cars require a spacer beneath the
>battery to prevent current leak out (mine came w/ one, though i was
>never concerned with it on other, more normal cars)? In essence I
>suppose the rubber of the tires shoudl act as an insulator. I think roger
>was on the right track with the battery being part of my problem (under
>rated, for one)- and perhaps  also the alternator which i just removed and
>am having tested.  Secondly, someone had installed a cheap viper alarm
>system under the dash and left a real mess of the wires, plus part of the
>  unit had corroded into oblivion. Anyway, I have these two bosch 12v
>relays
>with 5 male spade terminals that sat up high in the underdash i was
>curious about. I thought probably it was from the alarm install, but
>wasnt sure. They're black and have 0 332 204 150 numbers on each.  I
>thought I
>might ask first before I chunked them into the trash bin - they sure dont
>appear in the manual, but that at times is abstract. Thanksamil...
>
>later,
>john 93 stealth
>
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:34:16 -0600
From: "john adams" <johnqadamsiii@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: two questions

Hello and thanks for the reply,

 My general notion of the battery spacer is/was for height placement,
yet I had to wonder due to the behavior of the car since removing it
and replacing the battery - plus the advice that batteries should be
spaced between concrete and metal desks, for instance when out
of the vehicle. Well, it turns out that the diode in the alternator showed
up bad, so I am in route to buy a replacement tomorrow when it arrives.
It is unfortunate these days the exceeding price for some cars.
Well, it's all part of the global stranglization on the poor scheme at
 work, I'm sure.

Peace \ /,
john 93 stealth


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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:40:13 -0600
From: "john adams" <johnqadamsiii@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: two questions

Hello and thanks for the reply,

My general notion of the battery spacer is/was for height placement,
yet I had to wonder due to the behavior of the car since removing it
and replacing the battery (now fitting better) - plus the advice that
batteries
should be spaced between concrete and metal desks, for instance when out
of the vehicle. Well, it turns out that the diode in the alternator showed
up bad, so I am in route to buy a replacement tomorrow when it arrives.
It is unfortunate these days the exceeding price for some cars.
Well, it's all part of the global stranglization on the poor scheme at
work, I'm sure.

Peace \ /,
john 93 stealth



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Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:58:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Power emergency

My house is dead-center of a blackout today, ans as such the mailing
lists, and www services for your domain here will be affected when this
happens.

I fully expect things to come back up when it returns after a few
hours..but with all things..it may not.

Just a heads up.

- ---
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California, USA

I own a lotta cars.  But in the best interests of not having to continualy
edit this file to meet the needs of eight specific lists, and no to awaken the
idiots within others who think -thier- cars are the best and Im a fool for
having anything -but- thier kind of car..I have not listed them.  If Im on
the list you are reading..I have one.


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