team3s
Monday, February 19
2001 Volume 01
: Number
412
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Date:
Sat, 17 Feb 2001 05:35:37 -0800
From: Richard <
radanc@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Wheel
Question
Anyone mix their wheels? I am thinking about getting 2 forgeline
RSs for
the fronts and leaving the stockers on the rear. Any non-esthetic
issues
I need to be concerned about? I cannot afford all four and only
am
getting the new fronts to accomodate new brake system.
Regards,
Rich
92 Stealth TT
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 05:41:49
-0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 15G vs 18T turbos???
"Turbo compressor maps don't show
lag,..."
True enough.
"... just the airflow at which boost
starts."
No, not at all. Compressor maps show the relationship *at
the
turbocharger* of air density (or pressure ratio) and air flow
(volume
or mass) with respect to turbine (or compressor) shaft
rotational
speed and (most times) adiabatic efficiency. Boost (or the
air
pressure inside the intake plenum and manifold) is only
indirectly
related to the compressor performance map and cannot be
determined
directly from the map (except that it will be no more than
the
pressure ratio).
There is no way to determine precisely from the
compressor-map
air-flow values what boost will be at a particular engine RPM
or
load. What we really need for a complete picture are also
turbine
performance maps. But we will never see these as they are unique
to
each engine and even perhaps to each driving situation.
Relevant
factors include, but are not limited to: RPM, displacement, load
(or
throttling), transmission gear (related to load), VE, A/F,
combustion
chamber design, piston design and material, exhaust-manifold
design,
material, and configuration, "back" pressure in the exhaust after
the
turbos, and last but not least turbocharger rotating assembly
design
and both wheels' inertial masses. Or more generally, for a
particular
car and turbocharger, turbine performance is determined by
the
exhaust gas volume, velocity, and heat, and the pressure
differential
across the turbine housing,
"Lag is caused by inertia,
the inability of the compressor to
accelerate quickly to produce
boost."
Since lag is not defined, I'll offer Corky Bell's definition.
"Lag is
the delay between a change in throttle and the production
of
noticeable boost when engine rpm is in range in which boost can
be
achieved." The cause of lag (or lack of it) is more complex than
just
turbocharger internal inertia. This inertia may not even be
the
primary reason for a perceived delay in performance.
-
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Now what the
compressor maps do show, and what Mohler may have been
partly referring to
when he mistakenly said "lag", is the surge and
choking limits. The surge
limit is the shown as the left-most line on
the map that intersects both
shaft RPM lines and efficiency contours.
Turbocharger operation is unstable
to the left of the surge line
where local, repetitive air-flow reversal can
occur (this usually
manifest itself as a "banging" noise). The choking limit
is not shown
but is easily determined by extending the highest RPM line
roughly
straight down. A "choked" compressor will continue to spin
without
substantially increasing the flow rate. The choking limit
is
basically the max air flow the compressor is capable of.
For the 3
maps shown at
http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius3/j3-flow15g18t368.gifsurge
could be a serious problem for the "368" map, and I am not sure
that this
Garrett T04E "60" map is even the correct one for the GT
PRO 368
turbo.
Later,
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <
scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Cc:
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Sunday, February 18, 2001 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: 15G vs 18T
turbos???
Hi all
Turbo compressor maps don't show lag, just the
airflow at which boost
starts. Lag is caused by inertia, the inability of the
compressor to
accelerate quickly to produce boost .
Steve
Cooper
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:08:41
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: Highspeed runs in a Spyder, header rattles
> I'm wondering
if Spyders were just disasters aerodynamically
> or if maybe there's some
adjustment I can make. The top
> rattles a LOT around the header
area so it may be out of
> adjustment. I'm wondering if it's popping
up at high
> speed even just half a millimeter or something, causing
> a big area of turbulence.
I don't think its necessarily
aerodynamics, although the extra joints in the
top structure don't help
things for aerodynamics, nor for noise. At higher
speeds I get a lot of
noise from the B-pillar windows, but the rest isn't
really that bad.
Usually I have the top down, so I can't tell you if it got
worse over time or
anything like that. I don't go that fast very often.
> Also, how
bad does your top rattle? If I go over mild
> railroad tracks (i.e.
bumpy, but not nearly enough to
> bend a rim or cause other damage if you
don't slow
> down) I hear a loud knock-knock-knock from the header
>
area (leading me to believe the latches aren't as
> tight as they could
be.)
It rattles a fair amount, more so from the back end of the roof and
hardly
at all from the header latch area. No knocking sounds, but
moderate
rattling. You could try just pushing up on the roof just
behind the header
- - on my car it doesn't budge a milimeter. The
latches there seem pretty
beefy, but I'm a little worried as to how long some
of the other parts in
the roof are going to stay "tight".
-
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:35:41
-0600
From: "Brad Bedell" <
bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Highspeed runs in a Spyder, header rattles
If you're
traveling that fast, you should have a helmet on :) Ear plugs
would be
a good addition to anyone who owns a spyder also.
I get a lot of wind
noise from my quarter windows and the seam directly
overhead. (similar noise
as the sun-roof makes on some cars)
My spyder is actually quieter with the
top down.
The noises DID get worse when I put springs on the spyder, I'm
going to
assume most of the noise is from chassis flex and age.
This
summer I'm going to stitch weld the unibody on the spyder, hopefully
this
will help the flex a little.
Brad
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- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st[
mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of Jannusch, Matt
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:09 PM
To:
'Jeff'; Team3S
Subject: Team3S: RE: Highspeed runs in a Spyder, header
rattles
> I'm wondering if Spyders were just disasters
aerodynamically
> or if maybe there's some adjustment I can make.
The top
> rattles a LOT around the header area so it may be out of
>
adjustment. I'm wondering if it's popping up at high
> speed even
just half a millimeter or something, causing
> a big area of
turbulence.
I don't think its necessarily aerodynamics, although the
extra joints in the
top structure don't help things for aerodynamics, nor for
noise. At higher
speeds I get a lot of noise from the B-pillar windows,
but the rest isn't
really that bad. Usually I have the top down, so I
can't tell you if it got
worse over time or anything like that. I don't
go that fast very often.
> Also, how bad does your top rattle?
If I go over mild
> railroad tracks (i.e. bumpy, but not nearly enough
to
> bend a rim or cause other damage if you don't slow
> down) I
hear a loud knock-knock-knock from the header
> area (leading me to
believe the latches aren't as
> tight as they could be.)
It rattles
a fair amount, more so from the back end of the roof and hardly
at all from
the header latch area. No knocking sounds, but moderate
rattling.
You could try just pushing up on the roof just behind the header
- - on my
car it doesn't budge a milimeter. The latches there seem pretty
beefy,
but I'm a little worried as to how long some of the other parts in
the roof
are going to stay "tight".
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:00:58
-0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Wheel Question
Richard,
I would think a different set
might actually look neat. Give the appearance
of different sizes
too. I mixed my stock 18" wheels in front with 17"
wheels in back for
an AutoX one day. I had the chance to use some free Yoko
275/45/17 from
a great friend and these did not fit the fronts without
spacers.
245/40/18 were on the front. I admit I did not notice much but
going 12
mph around a turn won't make much difference for the first-time
use.
I
tried the same on the local road course but had the 17" wheels in front
with
255/40/17 and stock 245/40/18 in rear (because I didn't bring a set
of
non-acorn lug nuts for the wheels which had different measurements than
the
stock wheels).
I do not recommend this as the list has noted as
the center differential has
to guess why the smaller from wheels are spinning
faster than the larger
back wheels. Going the same speed I always did
through the first half of a
sweeping 180-degree turn the back end wanted to
slide out at about 55 mph.
I can usually take that turn at 75 mph.
Do
not mix different sized wheels and tires or it can permanently mess up
the
differentials (that was back when I was getting the tranny replaced by
the
warranty anyway and I knew the differentials were covered -- everything
is
all replaced and I don't mix things anymore). And running all
stock
street tires gave better results anyway.
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com3Si
#577
1995 VR-4 getting set up for road racing
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Richard [
mailto:radanc@home.com]
Sent: Saturday,
February 17, 2001 08:36
Cc:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: Wheel Question
Anyone mix their wheels? I am thinking about
getting 2 forgeline RSs for
the fronts and leaving the stockers on the rear.
Any non-esthetic issues
I need to be concerned about? I cannot afford all
four and only am
getting the new fronts to accomodate new brake system.
Regards,
Rich
92 Stealth TT
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:31:49
-0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <
sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Highspeed runs in a Spyder, header rattles
Just try and drive
120+ in a coupe with just one window down---your eardrums
feel like they
getting pounded out from the other side. I tried to figure
out what was
causing it when I first got the car. I thought it was the
indentation
of the fake twin turbo triangles, so I bought and installed the
99 side
garnish with no improvements. Now, I think its the space between
the
mirror and body. My inferior Transam with T-tops was quieter then
this
car with the roof panels off. I remember reading somwhere where
the
triangle was cut out of the back of the mirrors on the T/A on purpose
to
help reduce wind noise, but those mirrors were connected to the car
tight,
not with an extension stalk. Maybe this sound is just an
amplified version
of the coupe sounds in the Spyder?
Sam
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff <
spydervr4@home.com>
To: Team3S <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>; Starnet
<
stealth@starnet.net>
Cc:
mjannusch@marketwatch.com <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>;
joshua@unconundrum.com <
joshua@unconundrum.com>
Date:
Saturday, February 17, 2001 7:29 PM
Subject: Team3S: Highspeed runs in a
Spyder, header rattles
>Hey...I have a question for all Spyder
owners. Have you gone 130-140 with
>the top up? I have and the
noise is deafening. It sounds like I'm
standing
>next to a jet
engine. I used to own a '95 VR-4 hatchback and it wasn't
>like
that. I could hear lots of wind noise, but not to the level that
it
>hurt my ears.
>
>I'm wondering if Spyders were just
disasters aerodynamically or if maybe
>there's some adjustment I can
make. The top rattles a LOT around the
header
>area so it may be
out of adjustment. I'm wondering if it's popping up at
>high speed
even just half a millimeter or something, causing a big area
of
>turbulence.
>
>Also, how bad does your top rattle?
If I go over mild railroad tracks
(i.e.
>bumpy, but not nearly enough
to bend a rim or cause other damage if you
>don't slow down) I hear a loud
knock-knock-knock from the header area
>(leading me to believe the latches
aren't as tight as they could be.)
>
>Any
ideas?
>
>jeff
>'95 Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
>'95
Chevrolet K1500 Z71
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:19:01
-0500
From: GREG RUSH <
rush@siscom.net>
Subject: Team3S:
intercooler
I was thumbing thru my Jegs catalog and came across several
alluminum
radiators in the $300.00 price range. What are some thoughts if
I
modified the inlet and outlet and used it for a front
mount
intercooler? One in particular measures 28" wide x 13" tall x 3"
thick
with 1" cores and is a double-row
design.
rushvr4
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:21:27
-0000
From: "George Shaw" <
george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: White Smoke?
I just noticed today a light (in concentration that
is) white smoke from the
passenger side (I drive a RHD) exhaust. I have
noticed it over a few weeks
but had put it down to the cold weather, but
today was quite warm so there
should not have been any condensation from the
exhaust. Any ideas what to
check or look out for. The car is due into the
dealers on Monday for a full
service but I want to tip them off as to any
possible troubles. I don't see
this from the other (drivers) side exhaust? As
the std exhaust is sort of a
single pipe is this in its self not
strange?
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:02:27
-0600
From: "Jeff" <
spydervr4@home.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: RE: Highspeed runs in a Spyder, header rattles
Well, I've tried
it:
1) Top down, helmet on at the Texas World Speedway and it wasn't that
bad.
I think the helmet muffles a lot of the noise.
2) Top up, windows
down, helmet on, and it wasn't that bad either. Once
again, I think the
helmet made a big difference, but even so I didn't hear
any shrieking, just a
lot of wind noise.
3) Top up, windows up, no helmet. Right at 120 you
can hear the
shrieking/jet engine noise starting and by 130 or 135 it's
unbearable.
As far as the rattles, yeah mine got louder when I lowered
the car too. I'm
not quite so worried about that. It's the high
speed noise that bothers me
because my old hatchback never had this problem
and the Spyders in all the
mags supposedly top out at 151 or so bone
stock. Well maybe it can, maybe
it can't, but I can't find out because
I don't have ear plugs.
jeff
'95 Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
'95
Chevrolet K1500 Z71
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad
Bedell" <
bbedell@austin.rr.com>
To:
"Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>;
"'Jeff'"
<
spydervr4@home.com>;
"Team3S" <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Sunday, February 18, 2001 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: Highspeed runs in
a Spyder, header rattles
> If you're traveling that fast, you
should have a helmet on :) Ear plugs
> would be a good addition to
anyone who owns a spyder also.
>
> I get a lot of wind noise from my
quarter windows and the seam directly
> overhead. (similar noise as the
sun-roof makes on some cars)
> My spyder is actually quieter with the top
down.
>
> The noises DID get worse when I put springs on the spyder,
I'm going to
> assume most of the noise is from chassis flex and
age.
>
> This summer I'm going to stitch weld the unibody on the
spyder, hopefully
> this will help the flex a little.
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:31:10
+0100
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: intercooler
Radiators are not intercoolers !!! They are
designed for coolant that is not
under high pressure and flow is negligible.
We need a core that doesn't act
much as a resistance and radiators are not
built for that !
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch> I was thumbing thru my
Jegs catalog and came across several alluminum
> radiators in the $300.00
price range. What are some thoughts if I
> modified the inlet and outlet
and used it for a front mount
> intercooler?
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:32:18
-0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RE: Highspeed runs in a Spyder, header rattles
Please tell me
you guys aren't racing your Spyders without a rollbar in the
car??? As
soon as you lower the top then your head is the tallest part of
the car in a
rollover. I have a non-Spyder but am still installing a
rollbar for
some driving events this year. Not only is it "strongly
recommended
when using harnesses" by the local Porsche club (putting on the
event) but it
definitely is safety and peace of mind and for $500 (including
shipping and
installation) it is the same price as my helmet, shoes, and
gloves
were.
- --Flash!
3Si #577
1995 VR-4 getting set up for road
racing
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [
mailto:spydervr4@home.com]
Sent: Sunday,
February 18, 2001 13:02
Well, I've tried it:
1) Top down, helmet
on at the Texas World Speedway and it wasn't that bad.
I think the helmet
muffles a lot of the noise.
jeff
'95 Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
'95
Chevrolet K1500 Z71
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:27:32
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: intercooler
Air/Air intercoolers have fine webs of material
IN the passages in the IC,
not just a tube for the airto pass thu with only
cooling fins between the
passages externally.
Thats the stock/OEM type
core design...doesnt work well to a certain
point.
On Sun, 18 Feb
2001, GREG RUSH wrote:
> I was thumbing thru my Jegs catalog and came
across several alluminum
> radiators in the $300.00 price range. What are
some thoughts if I
> modified the inlet and outlet and used it for a front
mount
> intercooler? One in particular measures 28" wide x 13" tall
x 3" thick
> with 1" cores and is a double-row design.
>
rushvr4
>
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:12:55
-0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
Team3S: OT: Dale Earnhardt dies at Daytona
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. died at
Daytona from head injuries in a crash 1/4 mile
from the finish.
I know
this is not appropriate for the list but such a monumental driver in
the
racing world deserves to be mourned. I was unaware of this until a
late
newscast showed the story and thought the list might have something on
it
also.
Best wishes to any fans and relatives. God bless and be
safe out there.
Even the best drivers with the best equipment get hurt.
It is amazing more
of us don't get hurt also.
- --Darren Schilberg
(Flash!)
dschilberg@freemarkets.com3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 ... naming my car "The Intimidator" for one week of
mourning
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:19:12
-0500
From: Ken Stanton <
tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: OT: Dale Earnhardt dies at Daytona
How true Flash, how
true... prayers go out to the Earnhardt family. To think
that Jr.
was fighting to win while his father took his last breath...
Anyone
consider the thought of SRS systems in Nascar? My Stealth's airbag
saved
me, and I witnessed a mother and daughter hit a telephone pole
yesterday and
step out unharmed due to their bags as well...
Take care
everyone, drive safe.
Ken Stanton
2 - '91 Pearl White
RT/TT's
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)
"Schilberg, Darren"
wrote:
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. died at Daytona from head injuries in a
crash 1/4 mile
> from the finish.
>
> I know this is not
appropriate for the list but such a monumental driver in
> the racing
world deserves to be mourned. I was unaware of this until a late
>
newscast showed the story and thought the list might have something on
it
> also.
>
> Best wishes to any fans and relatives.
God bless and be safe out there.
> Even the best drivers with the best
equipment get hurt. It is amazing more
> of us don't get hurt
also.
>
> --Darren Schilberg (Flash!)
>
dschilberg@freemarkets.com>
>
3Si #577
> 1995 Black VR-4 ... naming my car "The Intimidator" for one
week of mourning
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 01:55:12
-0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Windshield washer bottle in front bumper addition to 2G
Roger,
Thanks
Roger. I went to your site and looked at your WI webpage again.
Now,
after you told me that the washer bottle is for the headlights, it
makes more
sense. Since all EURO Mitsus have this water tank, then the
EURO
counterpart of my 95 VR4 must have it too. Is there just one water
tank
that fits ALL, or is there one for 1G, 2G, and 99 VR4? Do you know
if I can
plug the "low light level" into my harness? It would be nice,
but of course
not necessary. Last but not least, how much did you pay
for your "ERL
Aquamist System 2s?"
Do any of these tanks fit a 94 TT
(for my brother)? If my memory is right,
there are no EURO Dodge
Stealth TTs. Maybe this is something that needs to
be tried out on my
brother's car, but I was wondering if you knew anybody
that added one of
these tanks to their TT? In case you are wondering,
neither of our cars
have modified front bumpers. They are stock. you can
see our cars
at:
http://www.cs.wayne.edu/~iraicu/personal/cars/main_personal_cars.htmI
want one of these tanks, and I also want a good and reliable WI system.
If
that's what you have and you think it's reliable, I'll assume it's
reliable,
although I wouldn't mind listening to any thoughts you might have
on other
possible WI systems.
If you can give me a part number and a phone number,
I can call and order
myself (in English or German). I have a friend
that speaks German and he
can speak on my behalf in case it needs to be
done.
Last question: On one of your webpages I noticed you
reccomend a few "temp
sensors in the IC piping." You probably mean
immediately before and after
each intercooler. Did you install this,
and do you know what temps are seen
before and after the intercoolers?
I have a Greedy EGT gauge (completely
installed except for two wires: 12V and
ignition wires) with a 300-900 deg.
C scale. This is probably not the
appropriate scale. If it is I can
probably just get some new probes and
install a selector switch between the
different sensors. If not, I may
need a new gauge also.
Thanks for all the help Roger.
-
-MIKE-
aa2345@wayne.edu95 Red VR4
Detroit
Metro Area, Michigan
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>All European
cars do have a light-washer installed. This consists of a
>shaped water
tank that sits upon the crash guard. It fits every 3S but I
>don't know if
it does on an aftermarktet front.
Here's the tanks show (about 4 liters
volume)
Contact me privately if you want one. It has to be ordered from Japan
and
therefore it takes some time. Price is about $80 without shipping. I
do
have to check out as Mistu rised the parts prices for about 20% this year
:(
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 01:01:54
-0600
From: "Jeff" <
spydervr4@home.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Spyder owners!
Hi! Sorry to cross-post between the lists, but I
just wanted to see if I
could get all Spyder owners (VR-4 or SL, doesn't
matter) to e-mail me. I'm
trying to establish a list of Spyder owners
to correspond with, to discuss
problems with the tops and tonneaus. The
list will be low volume (i.e. only
occasional e-mails) and really only of
interest to people who own the cars.
I have already found 17 names
including myself by looking through posts in
my e-mail archives back to
1999.
If you haven't already e-mailed me (on the highspeed/rattles
issue), go
ahead and do so and I'll add you to the list.
My address is
spydervr4@home.comjeff
'95
Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
'95 Chevrolet K1500 Z71
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:13:48
-0500
From: "Karl Siebert" <
ksiebert@gow.org>
Subject: Team3S: Mail
from list?
Lately, there have been no emails from the 3S list. What
is going on, is
there some sort of problem with the list. I enjoyed reading
about what
everybody had to say............
Karl
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