team3s            Sunday, February 11 2001            Volume 01 : Number 404




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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:17:35 EST
From: Merlin916@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock sensor question?

    If you just want to simulate knock in your engine, Ill give you the test
that, to the best of my knowledge, is used by every tech for evey
manufacturer out there.  Just knock the engine.  Put a the end of a breaker
bar or broomstick or whatever up against the block and tap the other end of
it with a hammer.  You run no risk of doing any damage to your engine (youre
just tapping, not hammering in a railroad spike here), and you should get a
clear spike on your DVOM (volt meter if you prefer).  If you have a nice
litte multimeter, such as a Fluke 98, you can even monitor ignition timing
and watch the ignition retard. 
    And i have to agree with the others, keep low octane gas out of your
engine its just not a good idea.  The knock sensor is a safe-guard, and you
hope and pray that you never really need it. 

Joe

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:39:06 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock sensor question?

You guys are scaring me with all this talk about knock, blown pistons and
such as that.

Let me confirm something for my peace of mind:

If I install 560 mm injectors, Supra fuel pump, Alamo intercoolers, Spearco
water injection, a Blitz boost controller set to 15 psi and run 100+ octane
race gas, will I have ANY problem with knock or preignition?  Remember,
I'll be at full boost for 20-30 minutes at a time on road courses. I am
making these mods to keep combustion chamber temps down, not to get
horsepower (I'll take whatever I can get from the boost controller and
bigger injectors, of course). Is there something else I should do for
insurance?

(Curt:  I'll get up to Mnpls when the weather breaks, so we can put in the
boost controller and Spearco).

Rich/old poop

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:51:56 EST
From: Merlin916@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock sensor question?

You should be ok as long as you can deliver the right amount of fuel for the
air your charging into your cylinder, especially with the high octane gas. 
And should it be kneeded, the knock sensor should keep you safe.  I think
most of us were just reccomending agaist testing it unnecessarily.  Stick
with your high octane and make sure youre timing is properly adjusted, and
youll be fine.

Joe

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:09:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock sensor question?

Rich,

The ONLY way to be sure you do not have detonation is to measure it.
Dumping fuel or low boost is no guarantee that no knock will be
present. For 1991-1993 cars the TMO is the solution. The MSD knock
sensor (see Roger Gerl's web site) may be a solution for any year
car. I have several links to articles (not by me) concerning
knock/detonation on the Tech Page at my web site for additional info.
For those that enjoy College Engineering-level books, John B.
Heywood's "Internal Combustion Engine Fundamentals" is indispensible.
A bit pricey ($93 at Barnes & Noble), it is THE bible concerning
engines. It has an excellent section on detonation that is widely
cited and copied.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Merritt" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock sensor question?

You guys are scaring me with all this talk about knock, blown pistons
and such as that.

Let me confirm something for my peace of mind:

If I install 560 mm injectors, Supra fuel pump, Alamo intercoolers,
Spearco water injection, a Blitz boost controller set to 15 psi and
run 100+ octane race gas, will I have ANY problem with knock or
preignition?  Remember, I'll be at full boost for 20-30 minutes at a
time on road courses. I am making these mods to keep combustion
chamber temps down, not to get horsepower (I'll take whatever I can
get from the boost controller and bigger injectors, of course). Is
there something else I should do for insurance?

(Curt:  I'll get up to Mnpls when the weather breaks, so we can put
in the boost controller and Spearco).

Rich/old poop


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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:10:56 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: DSM SHOOTOUT ENTRY LIST Update 2-10-01

DSM SHOOTOUT   July 20-22  2001  List of Entrants So Far, Updated
2-10-2001
Norwalk Raceway Park, Norwalk Ohio
Sponsor:  Buschur Racing

Our Shootout is on Friday July 20; Autocross July 21; ALL IMPORT
Shootout on July 22
If you have info/missing/needing change, email ME DIRECT
xwing@execpc.com.
You can post info here, or (better) at  http://64.39.19.113/  (the
"Track Times" board on 3SI),
? denotes not sure if coming.  Info needed:

1)Your full name + "3SI nickname"
2)Car/color/Shop (if associated with one)
3)City/State of origin
4)Hotel you're staying at
5)email

1 Aaron "zentelis", 94 RT/TT, Hanover PA
2 Ryan Alavi "StreetRacer", 95 VR4 black Altered Atmosphere, Bowie MD,
GTeklnc@aol.com
3 Dave Best "Dave Best", 92 VR4 maroon, VA, Amerihost Suites,
4 Terry Bosserman "black95rttt", 95RT/TT Dynamic Racing/GT Pro, Findlay
OH, black95rttt@hotmail.com
5 Brian "allengineSL", 95 3000GT SL,  Chicago IL
6 ?Bruce "Bruce", 95 VR4 red, Granada Hills CA
7 Charles, 94 RT/TT yellow Altered Atmosphere, Bethesda MD,
StealthCT@aol.com
8  Joe Canella, 96 VR4 Spyder Altered Atmosphere, MD
9 ?Eric Doerr, 93RT/TT white Altered Atmosphere, MD
10 Shawn Enz,  94 3000GT SL,  Philadelphia PA, EnzS@towers.com
11 Hans Ertl "Hans91GT",  91 3000GT, + 92 RT/TT Ground Zero Performance
hertl@snip.net
12 ?Rob Flynn "akira410", 92 VR4 white + 97 VR4 white, Irvine CA
13 "igots2", 92 VR4
14 Joe Gonsowski "JoeG",   92 RT/TT,  Detroit MI, twinturbo@mediaone.net

15 Rick Hunter "Huntervr4", 93 VR4, Greenwood IN, TT_3KGT@hotmail.com
16 Matt Jannusch "mjannusch", 95 VR4 Spyder white, Minneapolis MN,
mjannusch@marketwatch.com
17 ?J.B., 94 3000GT SL TT Altered Atmosphere
18 Jeff "mr2turb", 95VR4, Columbus OH
19 Trent Karr "TKarr", 93 RT/TT, Wyomissing PA
20  Jim Kielma, RT/TT, Cudahy WI, jkielma@aol.com
21 Jeff Lucius "Jeff Lucius",  92 RT/TT red,  jlucius@stealth316.com
22 ?Josh "Slush5", Stealth SOHC
23 Shawn MacArthur "BigBadVR4", 92VR4 black GT Pro, Shawnmac@usa.net
24 Mike Mahaffey "Lotoboost", 94 VR4 + 96 VR4 Altered Atmosphere,
25 "Mellon", 91RT/TT white
26 Dan Mercier "DanM_94_VR4", 94 VR4 green 3SX Automotive Technology/GT
Pro, Louisville KY, dan@3sxperts.com
27 Matt Monett "snakeskinner", 93 RT/TT white Dynamic Racing/GT Pro, NM
28 Nino "hated", 91 RT/TT, San Diego CA, Super 8 Hotel,
hated@hotmail.com
29 Anthony Ng "Antmay", 95 VR4, Rocky River OH, anthony.ng@onbase.com
30 Shawn M. O'Connor "soc3GT95basn20", 95 3000GT n/a red, Charlotte NC
31 "pokey293", 91 VR4 Dynamic Racing/GTPro, Phoenix AZ
32 "Racer X", RT/TT, Stockbridge GA
33 Jetinder Raja "Raja", 94 VR4 yellow, Lawrence KS
34 Greg Rush "rushvr4", 92 VR4 silver, Cincinnati OH, rush@siscom.net
35 Ryan "Shadowfax", 92 RT/TT
36 Ryan, 95VR4 Altered Atmosphere
37 Ryan "PriOityp", 94 SL
38 James S. "James S", 94 RT/TT yellow, Rockford IL, FastYZFR6@aol.com
39 Darren Schilberg, 95 VR4 black, Pittsburgh, PA,
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com
40 Matt Schneider "Schneider80", 95 VR4 blue, Chicago IL,
matt@cbcast.com
41 Rob Schoen "rob",  MI,  rschoen@home.com
42 Chris Smyrniotis "fierce" 92 RT/TT green GT Pro, Chicago IL,
TridentD5@aol.com
43 Jose Soriano "Amahoser", 91 RT/TT red GT Pro, Southern CA
44 Jack Tertadian "xwing", 94 VR4 red Atomic Motorsports, Oak Creek WI,
Econolodge, xwing@execpc.com
45 Chuck Theiss, 94 RT/TT Altered Atmosphere
46 ?Trevor "Trevor" 96RT/TT red
47 Mike Tucker "1badVR4", 93 VR4 chameleon GT Pro, San Antonio TX
48 Kevin Umbreit "unclesam099", 91 RT blue, unclesam099@hotmail.com
49 Christian Williamson "daprguy", 91 RT/NA champaign GTPro, S. CA
50 Jeff Williamson "JeffW3000", 92 VR4 red, Belleville MI,
Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com
51 Bob Witmer, 93 RT/TT, MI
52 ?"Yellow ES", 92 Stealth ES yellow, Dayton OH

Number of people:  52
Number of Shops:    6 (Altered Atmosphere, Atomic Motorsports, Dynamic
Racing, GT Pro, 3SX Engineering, Ground Zero Performance)
Number of Stealths:  24  (some have not listed their car, some have more
than one car)
Number of 3000GTs: 29

BEEEE THEEEEERRE!!!


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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:20:32 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock sensor question?

At 03:51 PM 2/10/01 EST, Merlin916@aol.com wrote:
>You should be ok as long as you can deliver the right amount of fuel for the
>air your charging into your cylinder, especially with the high octane gas. 
>And should it be kneeded, the knock sensor should keep you safe.  I think
>most of us were just reccomending agaist testing it unnecessarily.  Stick
>with your high octane and make sure youre timing is properly adjusted, and
>youll be fine.
>
Is there a gauge, sensor or indicator light that I should install to show I
am getting knock?
Rich/94 VR4

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:10:41 EST
From: FRAGU172@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: starter going bad?

hey all.. i posted to the list a few days ago about the funny noise my car is
making when i start it.. well i kinda narrowed it down to the starter, when
the engine is running and i turn the ignition on again i get the noise
everytime.. are there bearings in starters? thats what im thinking the sound
sounds like.  hey gurus let me know what you all think about starters going
bad.. when i cleaned my intake manifold, i had to crank the starter about 35
times in a row to get it started... i think we got a little hot n heavy in
the starter area..
- -§teven J

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:13:15 +0100
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Knock sensor question?

> Is there a gauge, sensor or indicator light that I should install to show
I
> am getting knock?

No, otherwise there would not be such a debate going on. On the 1st gen cars
we can log the knock with the TMO Datalogger or the Pocket LOGGER. On all
other cars, we do not have any chance than installing a seperate device. The
MSD knock sensor is a microphone that can be installed in a tread into the
block. A box then shows the amount of vibration with a bar-graph. It would
show a constant bar if no knock and spikes and wavey behavior if there is
knock. But it doesn't tell you the exact amount of knock.

Remember, each engine with its mods is totally different. Just ask Mikael
about his latest experience or two of my customers that are having knock at
only 0.6 bars of boost. Then increasing boost would cause a bang if the
problem is not resolved.

The sources provided on Jeff's pages are a MUST read for all of us who like
to increase boost for more power. The water injection is one solution to
fight against it and the bigger intercooler and bigger turbos another. But
then we don't know how good the filling of the combustion chamber is and
there are possible lean spots at the piston edges ! Therefore, just
installing parts and then running a particular boost for a longer period is
not safe.

The MSD knock sensor can be installed in place of the rear water-bolt. But
it will be hard to read unless we have comparison data to the datalogger. I
currently do not have any as my car is still not running.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:13:25 -0500
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Need 6-speed tranfer - broken ok!

Hello everyone!

I am in need of a transfer case for a AWD 2nd/3rd generation 3/S. I
don't care if it is broken (not working internally is ok, it can't have
a cracked case!) or if you really want to sell the tranny with it!

Thanks!
Ken
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:22:40 -0800
From: Jay Stump <jstump@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: Suspension, Springs Struts, Camber Plates??????

I have a 91 RT TT.
The Bearing and the bearing race went up.
I thought wil I had it apart that I would upgrade the Springs , Struts
and maybe add camber plates.
Does anyone have any suggestions, preferences on struts, springs etc.
Have looked at GAB and Ground control, but I do not have any non biased
info or opinions.
Thanks for your help!!!!!!!


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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:35:52 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Suspension, Springs Struts, Camber Plates??????

>Does anyone have any suggestions, preferences on struts, springs etc.
>Have looked at GAB and Ground control, but I do not have any non biased
>info or opinions.

I have the GC adjustable suspension w/camber plates. You don't need camber
plates if (a) you don't lower it to the max or (b) you don't need lots of
negative camber. I lowered mine as far as possible with the GC kit, but my
alignment guy could get it to factory specs -- just barely, and with only
0.5 negative camber. Not everyone has been so successful.   I wanted to to
get more camber, so I ordered the camber plates, and now I run with -2.5 deg.

I am not sure you can get GAB struts. People report delivery times up to 13
weeks.

Rich


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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:16:41 EST
From: Kdog109SD@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Suspension, Springs Struts, Camber Plates??????

> I have the GC adjustable suspension w/camber plates. You don't need camber
>  plates if (a) you don't lower it to the max or (b) you don't need lots of
>  negative camber. I lowered mine as far as possible with the GC kit, but my
>  alignment guy could get it to factory specs -- just barely, and with only
>  0.5 negative camber. Not everyone has been so successful.   I wanted to to
>  get more camber, so I ordered the camber plates, and now I run with -2.5
deg.


>  I am not sure you can get GAB struts. People report delivery times up to 13
>  weeks.

>  Rich


What is the max you can lower the car with GC springs? and what would be the
optimum spring rate to get?

Kunal

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