team3s
Monday, February 5
2001 Volume 01
: Number
397
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Date:
Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:05:49 -0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Recommended tire compounds for AutoX racing
The 255s fit on
the front stock wheels.
The 275s fit on the rear stock
wheels.
Anything larger front or rear requires wheel spacers or a
different wheel
offset. Kent runs 275 on his front and 315 on his rear
(RWD) Twin Turbo
Supra. He gets the fast time of the day (ftd) 85% of
the time (his wife
gets the ftd 10% and someone else gets ftd
5%).
Most other AutoX racers are using the Kumhos. Thanks for
the
recommendation.
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com]
Sent:
Sunday, February 04, 2001 13:06
To: Schilberg, Darren
Cc: Team3S
(E-mail)
Subject: Re: Team3S: Recommended tire compounds for AutoX
racing
You want the kumho's. The best tire for the $ by
far..very far.
315s? Gotta 12" wheel layin around for
those..*heh*
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:03:14
-0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Recommended tire compounds for AutoX racing
I should have
clarified this ... I did not mean to imply putting those tires
on our wheels
(275 is over or at the limit of our recommended 8.5" wheel
width and if used
for anything faster than AutoX you are asking for trouble
as the tire does
not have a stiff enough sidewall at that size).
Kent's car is a Toyota
Supra TT (the one with a rounded tail end)
He has different wheel widths in
front and back
He has a RWD car
I use a matched set of tires
all-around
My street wheels are stock and VR-4 18"x8.5" 6-spoke chrome
My
street tires are Pirelli 245/40/18
My racing wheels are from Rich Merritt
(1999 SL 17"x8.5" 3+3 spoke)
My racing tires are 245/45/17 or
255/45/17
- -----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com]
Sent:
Sunday, February 04, 2001 13:17
To: Schilberg, Darren
Cc: 'Geoff Mohler';
Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Team3S: Recommended tire compounds for AutoX
racing
Irregardles of what -he- fits on a wheel, optimum performance
demands a
tire/wheel width match.
On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Schilberg,
Darren wrote:
> The 255s fit on the front stock wheels.
> The
275s fit on the rear stock wheels.
>
> Anything larger front or
rear requires wheel spacers or a different wheel
> offset. Kent runs
275 on his front and 315 on his rear (RWD) Twin Turbo
> Supra. He
gets the fast time of the day (ftd) 85% of the time (his wife
> gets the
ftd 10% and someone else gets ftd 5%).
>
> Most other AutoX racers
are using the Kumhos. Thanks for the
> recommendation.
>
> --Flash!
> 1995 VR-4
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@speedracer.speedtoys.com]
>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 13:06
> To: Schilberg, Darren
> Cc:
Team3S (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Recommended tire compounds for
AutoX racing
>
>
> You want the kumho's. The best tire
for the $ by far..very far.
>
> 315s? Gotta 12" wheel layin
around for those..*heh*
>
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 01:02:26
-0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Off topic--Going to Germany
I'm off to Frankfurt, Germany for a
quick visit March 9-13.
Any list members live nearby?
How far is
Frankfurt from the 'Ring?
Will the 'Ring be open for laps in early
March?
Any advice on what to see/do in Frankfurt? (I'll have my wife
along, so
keep it clean.)
Please reply off list to:
merritt@cedar-rapids.net
Rich
94
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 AWD TT
92 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:35:06
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)
After taking the day off Wednesday
to work on my '94 VR4, spending Friday at
the Lone Star PCA Instructor's
Clinic and Saturday and Sunday instrucitng
(and being instructed by an
Advanced instructor), I came back to over a
hundred unread emails, many about
this oversteer topic.
1. Oversteer is cause by losing grip on the
rear tires while turning.
2. There are several ways to generate
oversteer, one is by braking while
turning. Braking transfers weight to
the front wheels making the rear
wheels lighter so they have less
grip.
3. Another way to create oversteer is by LIFTING THE THROTTLE
in a tight
turn. Lifting the throttle is equivalent to braking:
it transfers weight
to the front wheels making the rear wheels lighter so
they have less grip.
4. If you find that the turn you are trying to
take is too sharp for the
speed you are going, the natural tendency is to let
up on the throttle, or
even to hit the brakes. This is guaranteed to
create oversteer, less
politely called a "spin".
5. Physics will
only let you carry the car through a turn at a minumum
radius at a maximum
speed given the amount of grip your tires provide. The
simplest way to
correct oversteer is to LET UP ON THE STEERING INPUT
(unwind) and take a
larger radius through the turn.
6. The sequence for going thorugh a
turn is a) position the car for entry,
b) brake (and downshift if necessary),
c) turn in, d) gradually accellerate
through the apex, e) slightly
unwind the steering to track out. You
generally try to be at full
throttle at track out.
7. The sequence implies that most of us are
trying to ACCELLERATE through
turns. So another way to correct
oversteer is to MODULATE THE THROTTLE, or
just don't jam it so fast to the
floor. The gas pedal isn't a binary
device, there are many positions
for the throttle beside full on and full
off, unless you are a DRAG
RACER.
8. Take the example of the "poorly designed decreasing
radius turn" (I
guess that means there was no banking or it had negative
camber for drainage
or something). If you enter the turn at a speed
that is appropriate for the
initial radius, you are going to be too fast for
the final radius. You are
going to have to get the car to decellerate
somehow in order to spiral in.
One way to do that gradually is to let the
tires scrub off speed (sometimes
you can hear this). But if instead you
decide to ACCELLERATE through this
turn, you are going to either make a wider
turn than desired, or oversteer.
9. AWD is WONDERFUL because it
allows you to recover from errors that are
disasterous for only rear drive
cars as well as FWD cars. If the weight is
transferred to the front
wheels, like braking or lifting, you can STILL
DEVELOP TRACTION ON THE FRONT
WHEELS BY JUDICIOUS USE OF THE THROTTLE. If
weight is transfered to the
rear wheels while accellerating, you still
develop traction on the rear tires
(unlike FWD). But the real value of AWD
is apparent in WET conditions,
and other places during dry conditions, like
off camber and DOWN HILL, where
the weight is shifted to front wheels but we
can still
accellerate.
10. My first thought on the tire versus oversteer is
1) better get a four
wheel alignment and 2) you're looking at really
different grip. Harder
tires usually have less grip and oversteer at
lower speeds. The rapid
wearout problem is probably related to the
alignment problem, that you were
trying to fix with the harder
tires.
Chuck
P.S. Another good book on high performance
driving is "Going Faster".
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:02:18
-0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)
Bravo and when can you visit all
corners of the U.S. to instruct each and
every one of us? I'm
jealous.
The book "Going Faster" is the one I am reading about the Skip
Barber series
(http://www.bentleypublishers.com/product.htm?code=gdba
<http://www.bentleypublishers.com/product.htm?code=gdba>
) and is very good
on the basics of performance driving. I highly
recommend it to every owner
on this list. The one book I was trying to
find is no longer in print (All
Wheel Drive High Performance Handbook, ISBN
0-87938-419-0).
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com
PCA
driving school at Mid-Ohio in April
PCA driving school at Watkins Glen in
May
3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent:
Monday, February 05, 2001 09:35
To: 'Schilberg, Darren'; 'Merritt'; Jeff
Lucius;
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)
P.S. Another good book on
high performance driving is "Going Faster".
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:18:48
-0500
From: "Judson Smith" <jsmith@fmbs.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re:
ABS
Dear Team...
I bought my 1995 3000GT base a few weeks ago, and
brought it to the dealer
recently for a checkup. I've got to get timing belt,
etc changed, but my
question is in regards to the Anti Lock Brakes. I live in
Maine, and have
experienced ice and snow in the past two weeks, and when I
push the pedal
down, I don't get the "pulsing" sensation through the brakes
that I have
with other ABS on other cars I have owned. When at the
dealership, no ABS
codes came up on the diagnosis. The wheels seem to lock
up, not pulse, on
snow and ice, and there is no ABS light on the
dashboard..Any thoughts?
Thanks, Jud
>
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:08:02
-0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)
>9. AWD is WONDERFUL
because it allows you to recover from errors that are
>disasterous for
only rear drive cars as well as FWD cars. If the weight
is
>transferred to the front wheels, like braking or lifting, you can
STILL
>DEVELOP TRACTION ON THE FRONT WHEELS BY JUDICIOUS USE OF THE
THROTTLE. If
>weight is transfered to the rear wheels while
accellerating, you still
>develop traction on the rear tires (unlike
FWD). But the real value of AWD
>is apparent in WET conditions, and
other places during dry conditions, like
>off camber and DOWN HILL, where
the weight is shifted to front wheels but we
>can still
accellerate.
I knew AWD was wonderful, and have been saying so for quite
some time, but
I never really understood the phenomena that was at work. I
just knew that
I could get away with lifting and braking in turns, and I was
whuppin' ass
in the wet. Thanks for explaining it, Chuck.
Rich
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:13:09
-0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)
At 10:02 AM 2/5/01 -0500,
Schilberg, Darren wrote:
>Bravo and when can you visit all corners of the
U.S. to instruct each and
>every one of us? I'm jealous.
I
almost got to meet Chuck at Heartland Park in Topeka last year, where
he
was scheduled to run and teach, but he got sick the day before.
Maybe we could get up a group of Midwestern folk to attend a school
at
Heartland Park when Chuck is teaching. He could handle a
novice,
intermediate and advanced (me, I hope) at one school, right
Chuck?
Rich
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:16:20
-0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: ABS
Sometimes I pounded the brakes in the snow for some
four-wheel slide and
could hear the ABS making a horrendous grinding
sound. THIS is ABS. On dry
pavement a hard-braking application
will get the pulsing sensation (or some
gravel) but that is when not all four
wheels lock up.
When all four wheels lock then it is very loud and you
can feel the pedal
pulsate and hear the system working. Try it on
different texture roads
(dirt, gravel/pavement, snow/pavement, etc.).
Hopefully it is not messed up
as they are expensive to fix.
-
--Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com
3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK, Magnecor 8.5 wires, and a custom spark
plug
plate
http://www.ec3s.org/images/members/flash001full.jpg
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Judson Smith [mailto:jsmith@fmbs.com]
Sent: Monday,
February 05, 2001 10:19
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject:
Team3S: Re: ABS
Dear Team...
I bought my 1995 3000GT base a few weeks
ago, and brought it to the dealer
recently for a checkup. I've got to get
timing belt, etc changed, but my
question is in regards to the Anti Lock
Brakes. I live in Maine, and have
experienced ice and snow in the past two
weeks, and when I push the pedal
down, I don't get the "pulsing" sensation
through the brakes that I have
with other ABS on other cars I have owned.
When at the dealership, no ABS
codes came up on the diagnosis. The wheels
seem to lock up, not pulse, on
snow and ice, and there is no ABS light on the
dashboard..Any thoughts?
Thanks, Jud
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:56:12
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)
Remember, those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach!
The instructing stuff is pretty challenging - you
have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL
over the car - only your ability to conjure up
some sort of image in the
driver's mind keeps you on the track. When I
started instructing last year,
my driving went into a slump (really just hit
a plateau). Saturday, I had
an advanced instructor assigned to me, like
a free private driving school.
Along with instructing two students and being
instructed and driving in my
sessions, alone or instructed, I was on the
track damn near all day. My car
did 300 track miles this weekend,
instead of the usual 200. My butt did
about 700 track miles, plus what we did
during the instructors' clinic
Friday. My timekeeper (wife) wasn't
there, but my Blue Student clocked me
at 2:14 in traffic. I can keep up
quite well in the Red run group, even
with some of the race prepped
vehicles. The fundamental problem was that
since starting to instruct,
I had become fixated on the turn-in point,
because you are describing this to
the student and then verifying where the
car goes relative to it, instead of
looking at the track out while the car
is turning in. I was still doing
this while driving myself, which made me
late on turnin (safe, but slow) on
several key corners. I spent all weekend
turning my head early to force
my eyes down track through the turns. To do
this you really have to
develop confidence of where your car is relative to
the turnin and edge of
track. It worked.
Chuck
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Schilberg, Darren [SMTP:DSchilberg@freemarkets.com]
>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:02 AM
> To: 'Willis, Charles E.';
Schilberg, Darren; 'Merritt'; Jeff Lucius;
> team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)
>
> Bravo and when
can you visit all corners of the U.S. to instruct each and
> every one of
us? I'm jealous.
>
> The book "Going Faster" is the one I am
reading about the Skip Barber
> series
> (http://www.bentleypublishers.com/product.htm?code=gdba
>
<http://www.bentleypublishers.com/product.htm?code=gdba>
) and is very
> good
> on the basics of performance driving. I
highly recommend it to every
> owner
> on this list. The one
book I was trying to find is no longer in print
> (All
> Wheel Drive
High Performance Handbook, ISBN 0-87938-419-0).
>
>
--Flash!
> dschilberg@freemarkets.com
>
> PCA driving school at Mid-Ohio in April
> PCA driving school at
Watkins Glen in May
>
> 3Si #577
> 1995 Black VR-4
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 09:35
> To: 'Schilberg, Darren';
'Merritt'; Jeff Lucius;
> team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)
>
> P.S.
Another good book on high performance driving is "Going Faster".
>
>
> *** Info: http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:11:57
-0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)
A My timekeeper (wife) wasn't
there, but my Blue Student clocked me
>at 2:14 in traffic.
Was
that at Heartland Park last weekend? You guys ran in the snow???
Boy, I'll
bet your race tires were COLD!! I turned a 2:12 at HP, but it was
warm
out.
Rich
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:23:08
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)
No it was Texas World Speedway (2.9
miles), and the weather was BEAUTIFUL!
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Merritt [SMTP:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 10:12 AM
> To: Willis, Charles E.;
'Schilberg, Darren'; Jeff Lucius;
> team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)
>
> A My
timekeeper (wife) wasn't there, but my Blue Student clocked me
> >at
2:14 in traffic.
>
> Was that at Heartland Park last weekend? You
guys ran in the snow???
> Boy, I'll bet your race tires were COLD!! I
turned a 2:12 at HP, but it
> was
> warm out.
>
>
Rich
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:26:42
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: ABS
I always wondered about what ABS felt like in ice and
snow. The first time
I noticed ABS on the track, coming off the main
straight braking for turn 2,
I bragged to my son about feeling the ABS come
on. He said, "Yup, that's
all the brakes you've got". Sortof
changes your perspective, don't it?
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Schilberg, Darren [SMTP:DSchilberg@freemarkets.com]
>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:16 AM
> To: 'Judson Smith'; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: ABS
>
> Sometimes I pounded the brakes in
the snow for some four-wheel slide and
> could hear the ABS making a
horrendous grinding sound. THIS is ABS. On
> dry
>
pavement a hard-braking application will get the pulsing sensation (or
>
some
> gravel) but that is when not all four wheels lock up.
>
> When all four wheels lock then it is very loud and you can feel the
pedal
> pulsate and hear the system working. Try it on different
texture roads
> (dirt, gravel/pavement, snow/pavement, etc.).
Hopefully it is not messed
> up
> as they are expensive to
fix.
>
> --Flash!
>
> dschilberg@freemarkets.com
>
> 3Si #577
> 1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK, Magnecor 8.5 wires,
and a custom spark plug
> plate
> http://www.ec3s.org/images/members/flash001full.jpg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judson Smith [mailto:jsmith@fmbs.com]
> Sent: Monday,
February 05, 2001 10:19
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
>
Subject: Team3S: Re: ABS
>
> Dear Team...
> I bought my 1995
3000GT base a few weeks ago, and brought it to the dealer
> recently for a
checkup. I've got to get timing belt, etc changed, but my
> question is in
regards to the Anti Lock Brakes. I live in Maine, and have
> experienced
ice and snow in the past two weeks, and when I push the pedal
> down, I
don't get the "pulsing" sensation through the brakes that I have
> with
other ABS on other cars I have owned. When at the dealership, no ABS
>
codes came up on the diagnosis. The wheels seem to lock up, not pulse,
on
> snow and ice, and there is no ABS light on the dashboard..Any
thoughts?
>
> Thanks, Jud
> >
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> >
>
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:26:50
-0600
From: "Walton C. Gibson" <kalla@tripoint.org>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Re: ABS
> The wheels seem to lock up, not pulse, on snow and
ice, and there is
> no ABS light on the dashboard..Any thoughts?
I
don't believe your '95 base model is equipped with ABS.
Walton C.
Gibson
kalla@tripoint.org
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:28:28
-0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: ABS
Especially when in my mind it is starting to
calculate something like this
...
"4,000 pounds at 20 mph where 60 mph
is 88 feet per second so a third of
that is 30 feet per second. Now all
four wheels are locked up and I am
sliding and 4,000 pounds going 30 feet per
second. That intersection is now
30 feet away and I'm going to do a
good bit of damage to that Geo Metro in
the way or the guardrail behind
him."
Makes you really appreciate the mass of these cars and the momentum
they
carry when not under control.
- --Flash!
1995 VR-4
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent:
Monday, February 05, 2001 11:27
To: 'Schilberg, Darren'; 'Judson Smith'; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: ABS
I always wondered about what ABS felt like in ice and
snow. The first time
I noticed ABS on the track, coming off the main
straight braking for turn 2,
I bragged to my son about feeling the ABS come
on. He said, "Yup, that's
all the brakes you've got". Sortof
changes your perspective, don't it?
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:34:28
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)
You guys are way too
generous. I think I do a decent job with Green and
Blue students.
Beyond chaufeuring you around the track a couple of laps,
probably the best
thing I can do is point you in the direction of some of
these guys who've
been driving competitively for 15-20 years.
I'm really frustrated that
the Quattro club is scheduled at Heartland Park
for the same weekend as the
October Lone Star Region event at TWS. Looks
like I've got to make come
choices. LSR only selects a limited number of
instructors each event.
If you're not instructing, you still have to pay
discounted
registration. Maybe I can get LSR to tell me if I'm going to
make the
list for October in advance.
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: Merritt [SMTP:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:13 AM
> To: Schilberg, Darren; 'Willis,
Charles E.'; Schilberg, Darren; Jeff
> Lucius; team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)
>
> At 10:02 AM
2/5/01 -0500, Schilberg, Darren wrote:
> >Bravo and when can you visit
all corners of the U.S. to instruct each and
> >every one of us?
I'm jealous.
>
> I almost got to meet Chuck at Heartland Park in
Topeka last year, where
> he
> was scheduled to run and teach,
but he got sick the day before.
>
> Maybe we could get up a group
of Midwestern folk to attend a school at
> Heartland Park when Chuck is
teaching. He could handle a novice,
> intermediate and advanced (me, I
hope) at one school, right Chuck?
>
> Rich
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:43:32
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Re: ABS
I always advertise the weight of my car at the track
- it makes the other
cars avoid me like the plague! Only car at the
track last weekend that was
heavier was a huge Mercedes (4700 lbs). The
guy does autocross with that
thing!
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Schilberg, Darren [SMTP:DSchilberg@freemarkets.com]
>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 10:28 AM
> To: 'Willis, Charles E.';
Schilberg, Darren; 'Judson Smith';
> Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: ABS
>
> Especially when in my mind it is
starting to calculate something like this
> ...
>
> "4,000
pounds at 20 mph where 60 mph is 88 feet per second so a third of
> that
is 30 feet per second. Now all four wheels are locked up and I am
>
sliding and 4,000 pounds going 30 feet per second. That intersection
is
> now
> 30 feet away and I'm going to do a good bit of damage to
that Geo Metro in
> the way or the guardrail behind him."
>
>
Makes you really appreciate the mass of these cars and the momentum they
>
carry when not under control.
>
> --Flash!
> 1995
VR-4
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Willis, Charles
E. [mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 11:27
> To: 'Schilberg, Darren'; 'Judson
Smith'; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: ABS
>
> I always wondered about what ABS
felt like in ice and snow. The first
> time
> I noticed ABS on
the track, coming off the main straight braking for turn
> 2,
> I
bragged to my son about feeling the ABS come on. He said, "Yup,
that's
> all the brakes you've got". Sortof changes your
perspective, don't it?
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:25:13
-0800
From: "Maupin, Justin" <Justin.Maupin@kla-tencor.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info
So what is the consensus... Nitto
tires to buy or not to buy... I am in the
market for some new tires... but
don't want to get some that are going to
lead me into the wild blue
guardrail...
Justin
92 TT
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Schilberg, Darren [mailto:DSchilberg@freemarkets.com]
Sent:
Friday, February 02, 2001 8:09 AM
To: 'Paul T. Golley'; team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject:
RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info
I have Pirelli P-Zero
Asimmetrico with about a 140 treadwear (A and A on the
ratings on the
sidewall). What ratings are yours for temperature and such.
I drive
hard and aggressive sometimes but only when the turns prove fun.
They are
about half dead at 10k miles so I plan to have them for a while
longer.
They were $265 from Tirerack and well worth the money (even worked
good for
road racing tires at a local track).
Tirerack has some good pages with
testimonials from people but it really
depends on the weather in your area
(hot sun, rain, etc.) and the way you
drive (spinning tire off launches,
digging into turns on country roads,
etc.) that will best determine what you
should use. Jeff Lucius has a great
page of links for wheels and tires
too.
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com
3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetrico street tires,
Yokohama
Advan-032 road racing tires, and Kumho Victoracer-700 AutoX
tires.
http://www.ec3s.org/images/members/flash001full.jpg
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul T. Golley [mailto:ptgolley@hiwaay.net]
Sent:
Friday, February 02, 2001 10:50
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject:
Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info
H'lo Team 3s-
My OEM YOKO
245-40-18 tires wore out before 30K miles. I then bought
four NITTO
555s. They weren't very expensive and have a wear rating of
300 (Wow!).
Therefore I figured they'd eventually get less sticky with
time,
or wear
out before the equivalent of the 300 rating. 11K miles later
the
front
tires had the cords showing at the inside edges. (Horrible
alignment - front
wheels were towed out 1.0 inch! A whole separate
story.) So I put new
NITTO 555s on front, and corrected the
alignment. Now, with 8K miles
on front and circa 18k miles on the
the rear, in hard turns at 55 - 65 mph
I get OVERSTEER! A phenomenon
new to me with this car ('95 VR-4).
The oversteer occurs quickly, but it is
easily corrected if you're on your
toes. I hope this proves useful to
someone.
Regards,
ptg
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:37:04
-0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info
At 09:25 AM 2/5/01 -0800, Maupin,
Justin wrote:
>So what is the consensus... Nitto tires to buy or not to
buy... I am in the
>market for some new tires... but don't want to get
some that are going to
>lead me into the wild blue
guardrail...
Michelin Pilots for the street. Great tire.
Yoko 032R for
the track. Great school tire.
Rich
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:48:39
-0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
YOKO and NITTO Tire Info
Depends on your budget and driving habits and
conditions --- I used to
run the Yokohama AVS sport which I thought was a
great tire for street
use as long as you don't drive in the rain a
lot.
Performance tires generally have large tread blocks to avoid
chunking and
soft rubber to grip ---- this results in poor rain performance
and low
mileage. I think the AVS was a 180 or so now I'm running the Yoko
AO32
which has larger blocks, softer rubber [ 80 ] and are noisy as
hell.
If you have limited funds and want to corner 20% slower get the
hard
compound [ 300 ], all weather radial from most anybody, they'll last
until you're sick of looking at them and they're safer in the rain.
I
have no personal info on the Nitto other than some folk swear by
them.
Jim
Berry
====================================================
- -----
Original Message -----
From: Maupin, Justin <Justin.Maupin@kla-tencor.com>
To:
'Schilberg, Darren' <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>;
'Paul T. Golley' <ptgolley@hiwaay.net>; <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Monday, February 05, 2001 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire
Info
> So what is the consensus... Nitto tires to buy or not to
buy... I am in the
> market for some new tires... but don't want to get
some that are going to
> lead me into the wild blue guardrail...
>
> Justin
> 92 TT
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Schilberg, Darren [mailto:DSchilberg@freemarkets.com]
>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 8:09 AM
> To: 'Paul T. Golley'; team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>
Subject: RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info
>
>
> I have
Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetrico with about a 140 treadwear (A and A on the
>
ratings on the sidewall). What ratings are yours for temperature and
such.
> I drive hard and aggressive sometimes but only when the turns
prove fun.
> They are about half dead at 10k miles so I plan to have them
for a while
> longer. They were $265 from Tirerack and well worth
the money (even worked
> good for road racing tires at a local
track).
>
> Tirerack has some good pages with testimonials from
people but it really
> depends on the weather in your area (hot sun, rain,
etc.) and the way you
> drive (spinning tire off launches, digging into
turns on country roads,
> etc.) that will best determine what you should
use. Jeff Lucius has a great
> page of links for wheels and tires
too.
>
> --Flash!
> dschilberg@freemarkets.com
>
> 3Si #577
> 1995 Black VR-4 w/Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetrico street
tires, Yokohama
> Advan-032 road racing tires, and Kumho Victoracer-700
AutoX tires.
> http://www.ec3s.org/images/members/flash001full.jpg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul T. Golley [mailto:ptgolley@hiwaay.net]
> Sent:
Friday, February 02, 2001 10:50
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>
Subject: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info
>
>
> H'lo Team
3s-
> My OEM YOKO 245-40-18 tires wore out before 30K miles. I then
bought
> four NITTO 555s. They weren't very expensive and have a wear
rating of
> 300 (Wow!). Therefore I figured they'd eventually get
less sticky with
> time,
> or wear out before the equivalent of the
300 rating. 11K miles later the
> front
> tires had the cords
showing at the inside edges. (Horrible alignment - front
> wheels were
towed out 1.0 inch! A whole separate story.) So I put new
>
NITTO 555s on front, and corrected the alignment. Now, with 8K
miles
> on front and circa 18k miles on the the rear, in hard turns at 55
- 65 mph
> I get OVERSTEER! A phenomenon new to me with this car
('95 VR-4).
> The oversteer occurs quickly, but it is easily corrected if
you're on your
> toes. I hope this proves useful to someone.
>
Regards,
> ptg
>
>
> *** Info: http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001
12:06:18 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info
I concur with Rich, although my
Firehawks have done well also on the street
as did my son's Goodyear R1's
(?).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Merritt [SMTP:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 11:37 AM
> To: Maupin, Justin; 'Schilberg,
Darren'; 'Paul T. Golley';
> team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>
Subject: RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info
>
> At 09:25 AM
2/5/01 -0800, Maupin, Justin wrote:
> >So what is the consensus...
Nitto tires to buy or not to buy... I am in
> the
> >market for
some new tires... but don't want to get some that are going to
> >lead
me into the wild blue guardrail...
>
> Michelin Pilots for the
street. Great tire.
> Yoko 032R for the track. Great school tire.
>
> Rich
>
> >
>
> *** Info: http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:15:08
-0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info
The tires will not save you from
going into the guardrail. That is up to
the driver to maintain control
of the car. Once you hear the tires
squealing then they are almost
ready to let go of their traction. Non-High
Performance tires do this
quite well (harder tread, skinnier, etc.).
Tirerack.com has some good details
about the tires.
I have always used Pirelli tires so I have never used
Nitto or Yoko for the
street. Just be sure that the ratings from
Tirerack for rain, dry,
cornering, sound, etc. are what you want and that
will dictate what tire you
end up buying.
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com
1995
Black VR-4 and Pirelli P-Zero tires all around
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Maupin, Justin [mailto:Justin.Maupin@kla-tencor.com]
Sent:
Monday, February 05, 2001 12:25
To: 'Schilberg, Darren'; 'Paul T. Golley'; team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject:
RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info
So what is the consensus... Nitto
tires to buy or not to buy... I am in the
market for some new tires... but
don't want to get some that are going to
lead me into the wild blue
guardrail...
Justin
92 TT
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