team3s           Saturday, February 3 2001           Volume 01 : Number 395




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Date: 2 Feb 2001 12:43:20 +0000
From: martin berkley <3000gto@breathe.com>
Subject: Team3S: Plug gap ?

Hi Guys
I have just put new NGK platinum plugs in my GTO TT and left the plug gaps as they were from the box.
I have noticed that some comments have suggested different gaps on plugs so should i have regapped the plugs to something else?
The only mod i have is a K&N FIPK.
Regards
Martin. (UK)


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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:00:27 -0500
From: "Donnelly, Michael" <DonnellM@ctc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Spare Tire?

Hi all,

I'm trying to locate when I can get a hold of a spare tire for my '94 R/T
TT.  Does anyone have any ideas?  Is there a psuedo tire or 'donute' that I
can get cheep from someone or do you think that a search of the local
junkyards is in order?

Mike Donnelly
'94 R/T TT
62,000 miles

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 05:30:53 -0800
From: "Maupin, Justin" <Justin.Maupin@kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: timing belt tools

List,

>I am looking for someone to copy me a 1995 3000 GT base manual. When I
>recently bought the car, it wasn't in the glove compartment. I will pay all
>shipping of course, and a small fee for photocopying. Thanks,
>
>Judson Smith

Try looking on ebay for the manual on your year... I found one for $15 for
mine.

Justin

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:30:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Spare Tire?

I list many used parts yards that handle our cars on the Garage and
Links pages at my web site. I am sure you can find what you want from
one of them. Shop and compare for the best price.
http://www.car-part.com/ is a great place to start online.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

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From: "Donnelly, Michael" <DonnellM@ctc.com>
To: <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 6:00 AM
Subject: Team3S: Spare Tire?

Hi all,

I'm trying to locate when I can get a hold of a spare tire for my '94
R/T TT.  Does anyone have any ideas?  Is there a psuedo tire or
'donute' that I can get cheep from someone or do you think that a
search of the local junkyards is in order?

Mike Donnelly
'94 R/T TT
62,000 miles

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:20:59 -0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: Team3S: Impromptu Gathering near Philadelphia, PA 02/03

Anyone in the Philly area willing to get together with a few of us?  We have
a lucky member who is looking at wanting to pick up another 1991 Stealth TT
in King of Prussia and there are a few people in the area.  I was wondering
if anybody wanted to make a quick impromptu Gathering.

The technical post (to make it legal) is that we will need some people who
know a thing or two about the 1991-1993 Stealth line (TT knowledge is
helpful).  There might be some specific questions we have and would need
clarified before a sale can be final.  We don't know what they are yet but
just a heads-up to see if anyone could swing by for some help, diagnostics
while driving, etc.

Let me know with an offline post.  Thanks.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK, Magnecor 8.5 wires, and a custom spark plug
plate
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:31:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Picture of an installed K&M Filtercharger needed (OFF TOPIC)

I think Roger means the Aircharger.

K&N Filtercharger (part #33-2045) - This is a direct replacement for
the factory "box-shaped" air filter. The stock air box and funnel
remain in place.

K&N Aircharger (part #63-1000) - Made for the 95-99 DSM Turbo but
fits all 3S factory MAS units. It has a bolt in the end cover for
your (optional) fabricated mounting bracket. It is about 1 inch
longer than the FIPK, and replaces the stock air box and funnel using
an adapter to connect to the MAS.

K&N FIPK (part #57-1500) - (Filtercharger Injection Performance Kit)
Made for all year 3S cars, it has 2 brackets made for the 3S with no
weird bolt sticking out of the end cover. It is a bit shorter than
the Aircharger. It may have a CARB sticker. It replaces the stock air
box and funnel using an adapter to connect to the MAS.

http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius2/j2-2-k&nguide.htm

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

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From: "Roger Gerl (RTEC)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
To: "Team3S List" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Picture of an installed K&M Filtercharger needed
(OFF TOPIC)

Thanks for the response guys, but please note :

I need pictures of the K&N Filtercharger (for 2nd gen DSMs) installed
and NOT the K&N FIPK.

Thanks again
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:50:08 -0600
From: "Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info

H'lo Team 3s-
My OEM YOKO 245-40-18 tires wore out before 30K miles.  I then bought
four NITTO 555s. They weren't very expensive and have a wear rating of
300 (Wow!).  Therefore I figured they'd eventually get less sticky with
time,
or wear out before the equivalent of the 300 rating.  11K miles later the
front
tires had the cords showing at the inside edges. (Horrible alignment - front
wheels were towed out 1.0 inch!  A whole separate story.)  So I put new
NITTO 555s on front, and corrected the alignment.  Now, with 8K  miles
on front and circa 18k miles on the the rear, in hard turns at 55 - 65 mph
I get OVERSTEER!  A phenomenon new to me with this car ('95 VR-4).
The oversteer occurs quickly, but it is easily corrected if you're on your
toes.  I hope this proves useful to someone.
Regards,
ptg


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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:04:47 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Team3S: K&N Filters explained

Ok, we have this discussion once every year so I'd like to clear up the
things :

>K&N Filtercharger (part #33-2045) - This is a direct replacement for
>the factory "box-shaped" air filter. The stock air box and funnel
>remain in place.

This is not really correct ! The brandname "Filtercharger" only describes
the aluminum mesh with the cotton in between and is used on any K&N
filters. The drop-in element 33-2045 is called "K&N Air Filter" and fits
the stock air box and is street legal.

>K&N Aircharger (part #63-1000) - Made for the 95-99 DSM Turbo but
>fits all 3S factory MAS units. It has a bolt in the end cover for
>your (optional) fabricated mounting bracket. It is about 1 inch
>longer than the FIPK, and replaces the stock air box and funnel using
>an adapter to connect to the MAS.

The Aircharger is any cylinderal or conical design of the Filtercharger
mesh technology. It comes with an adapter and mounting bracket (included,
not optional !) The bracket and the fender body should be drilled with a
hole to support the bracket. Another way is to call K&N and to get the FIPK
brackets that mounts to stock bolts. The Aircharger is not CARB approved.

>K&N FIPK (part #57-1500) - (Filtercharger Injection Performance Kit)
>Made for all year 3S cars, it has 2 brackets made for the 3S with no
>weird bolt sticking out of the end cover. It is a bit shorter than
>the Aircharger. It may have a CARB sticker. It replaces the stock air
>box and funnel using an adapter to connect to the MAS.

Yep, right. Correctly said, the FIPK is an Aircharger kit, CARB approved
and street legal for your vehicle. I just don't understand why they used
the smaller Filtercharger core for the FIPK .

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:09:22 -0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info

I have Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetrico with about a 140 treadwear (A and A on the
ratings on the sidewall).  What ratings are yours for temperature and such.
I drive hard and aggressive sometimes but only when the turns prove fun.
They are about half dead at 10k miles so I plan to have them for a while
longer.  They were $265 from Tirerack and well worth the money (even worked
good for road racing tires at a local track).

Tirerack has some good pages with testimonials from people but it really
depends on the weather in your area (hot sun, rain, etc.) and the way you
drive (spinning tire off launches, digging into turns on country roads,
etc.) that will best determine what you should use.  Jeff Lucius has a great
page of links for wheels and tires too.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetrico street tires, Yokohama
Advan-032 road racing tires, and Kumho Victoracer-700 AutoX tires.
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul T. Golley [mailto:ptgolley@hiwaay.net]
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 10:50
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info


H'lo Team 3s-
My OEM YOKO 245-40-18 tires wore out before 30K miles.  I then bought
four NITTO 555s. They weren't very expensive and have a wear rating of
300 (Wow!).  Therefore I figured they'd eventually get less sticky with
time,
or wear out before the equivalent of the 300 rating.  11K miles later the
front
tires had the cords showing at the inside edges. (Horrible alignment - front
wheels were towed out 1.0 inch!  A whole separate story.)  So I put new
NITTO 555s on front, and corrected the alignment.  Now, with 8K  miles
on front and circa 18k miles on the the rear, in hard turns at 55 - 65 mph
I get OVERSTEER!  A phenomenon new to me with this car ('95 VR-4).
The oversteer occurs quickly, but it is easily corrected if you're on your
toes.  I hope this proves useful to someone.
Regards,
ptg


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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:20:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info

Very interesting, Paul.

I have Nitto 555 tires on my stock '92 TT wheels. About 3K miles
worth. The only time I have "lost control" of the car was on a fast,
off-camber, hard left onto a freeway entrance ramp (cold morning,
cold road, cold tires). The back end came around pretty good -
classic oversteer. I do not have enough experience to know if the
Nitto 555 tires are related to your or my oversteer experiences. I
have not noticed oversteer in 50-60+ mph hard twisties or hard turns.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@hiwaay.net>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 8:50 AM
Subject: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info

H'lo Team 3s-
My OEM YOKO 245-40-18 tires wore out before 30K miles.  I then bought
four NITTO 555s. They weren't very expensive and have a wear rating
of 300 (Wow!).  Therefore I figured they'd eventually get less sticky
with time, or wear out before the equivalent of the 300 rating.  11K
miles later the front tires had the cords showing at the inside
edges. (Horrible alignment - front wheels were towed out 1.0 inch!  A
whole separate story.)  So I put new NITTO 555s on front, and
corrected the alignment.  Now, with 8K  miles on front and circa 18k
miles on the the rear, in hard turns at 55 - 65 mph I get OVERSTEER!
A phenomenon new to me with this car ('95 VR-4). The oversteer occurs
quickly, but it is easily corrected if you're on your toes.  I hope
this proves useful to someone.
Regards,
ptg


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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:29:42 -0600
From: "Walton C. Gibson" <kalla@tripoint.org>
Subject: Re: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info

On 2 Feb 2001, at 8:20, Jeff Lucius wrote:

> road, cold tires). The back end came around pretty good - classic
> oversteer. I do not have enough experience to know if the Nitto 555

I just upgraded my wheel setup and decided I would try the Nitto
555s and went with 265/35/18s. I had the stock 17'' wheels and
tires for this past autocross season and got fairly used to the
amount of understeer that came it, so I was unprepared for how
well the Nittos grip.

Last weekend I was driving a friend home and was driving down this
fairly twisty two lane road, and all of a sudden I came to a turn with
a poorly designed decreasing radius ; I had little room to brake so I
took the turn. The Nittos did not slip. I also have the cusco rear
strut bar so that may have helped too ..

Walton C. Gibson
kalla@tripoint.org

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:33:07 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info

Well, I can add to your alls oversteer info here.  I have the NT555's all
the way around on 18" wheels on my SL and it is lowered via Intrax springs.

About a year ago, when the tires were almost new (they still are cause the
car has been garaged all this time) - I had a similar experience - I had
been driving extremely fast on a desolate backroad for like an hour....
Once I got to a turn I had to make, I turned as I had been doing - slowed
down but it was a tighter turn than I had been - although I was fine - the
road was wide and there was no one around for miles.  For some reason - the
car swapped ends at about 40 MPH half way through the turn.  It surprised me
so much - I thought I had a blowout or something - but all was fine.  The
intersection was free of gravel or anything else, and it was almost
perfectly flat.  I didn't brake through the turn - I did that before the
turn, then just turned.  That was also the only time I have ever lost
control of my car.

- - Cody


#Very interesting, Paul.
#
#I have Nitto 555 tires on my stock '92 TT wheels. About 3K miles
#worth. The only time I have "lost control" of the car was on a fast,
#off-camber, hard left onto a freeway entrance ramp (cold morning,
#cold road, cold tires). The back end came around pretty good -
#classic oversteer. I do not have enough experience to know if the
#Nitto 555 tires are related to your or my oversteer experiences. I
#have not noticed oversteer in 50-60+ mph hard twisties or hard turns.


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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:29:00 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info

 story.)  So I put new
>NITTO 555s on front, and corrected the alignment.  Now, with 8K  miles
>on front and circa 18k miles on the the rear, in hard turns at 55 - 65 mph
>I get OVERSTEER!  A phenomenon new to me with this car ('95 VR-4).
>The oversteer occurs quickly, but it is easily corrected if you're on your
>toes.  I hope this proves useful to someone.

Hie thee to a better alignment shop. You have something seriously wrong
with your car. When our cars are pushed to the limit, they understeer, not
oversteer. When just pushed reasonably hard, your car should have neutral
handling.

You sound like you know what you are doing, but just to make sure we are
talking about the same thing: If you go into a corner way too fast, an
understeering car will go off the road front-end first (plowing or
pushing); an oversteering car goes off rear-end first, with the tail
sliding out; and a neutral-handling car hits the guardrail perfectly
sideways.

I suspect too much positive toe in the rear, which can be very dangerous in
our cars. With too much positive toe, our cars can swap ends under heavy
braking from high speeds, even in a straight line. If you get into a
freeway offramp too hot and have to tap the brakes, the rear end may come
around on you.

Autocrossers crank in positive toe in the rear on purpose to get the
oversteer you are experiencing, but you should not be getting oversteer
under normal conditions. Sheesh, I have about all the suspension mods
possible on my car, and I don't have oversteer (I wish I had a LITTLE
oversteer and not so much push, but them's the breaks. Maybe Geoff's
spacers will finally cure it. But I digress).

You might also have tire pressure problems.

If you suspect it's tires, swap the tires front to rear and see if the
problem goes away. I bet it won't, because I think you have something wrong
with your alignment.

Let us know what the problem turns out to be. Maybe us racers can figure
out a way to use whatever settings you have to get some oversteer without
swapping ends.

Rich/old poop

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:46:32 -0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info

I did find that the Yoko A-032 tires I was using and the oversteer I
experienced was actually a lack of knowing how to drive an AWD car through a
corner (at first I panicked and hit the brakes which helped to slide the
back end out).  I should have let off the throttle and let the AWD kick in.
I've learned and can now kick the back out when I need to (2nd gear provides
one heck of a lot of torque going into a turn sometimes).  IT is fine until
the AWD kicks in and whips me back into shape.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com

3Si #577
Yoko A-032 road racing tires but the 5-point harness is what really holds me
in sometimes


- -----Original Message-----
From: cody [mailto:overclck@starband.net]
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 11:33
To: Jeff Lucius
Cc: Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info

For some reason - the
car swapped ends at about 40 MPH half way through the turn.  It surprised me
so much - I thought I had a blowout or something - but all was fine.  The
intersection was free of gravel or anything else, and it was almost
perfectly flat.  I didn't brake through the turn - I did that before the
turn, then just turned.  That was also the only time I have ever lost
control of my car.

- - Cody


#Very interesting, Paul.
#
#I have Nitto 555 tires on my stock '92 TT wheels. About 3K miles
#worth. The only time I have "lost control" of the car was on a fast,
#off-camber, hard left onto a freeway entrance ramp (cold morning,
#cold road, cold tires). The back end came around pretty good -
#classic oversteer. I do not have enough experience to know if the
#Nitto 555 tires are related to your or my oversteer experiences. I
#have not noticed oversteer in 50-60+ mph hard twisties or hard turns.


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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:56:02 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info

Let me add to my own story here - i have also experienced understeer.  When
the incident happened below, i was more than halfway through the turn, and
thought everything was perfect because the car wasn't pushing outside.
Little did I know once I was halfway through the turn it was going to do
that.  My alignment on my car is almost perfect -.5 degree camber on the
back and the same for the front.  All toe and such are almost perfect
factroy spec.

- -Cody

#
#Well, I can add to your alls oversteer info here.  I have the NT555's all
#the way around on 18" wheels on my SL and it is lowered via Intrax springs.
#
#About a year ago, when the tires were almost new (they still are cause the
#car has been garaged all this time) - I had a similar experience - I had
#been driving extremely fast on a desolate backroad for like an hour....
#Once I got to a turn I had to make, I turned as I had been doing - slowed
#down but it was a tighter turn than I had been - although I was fine - the
#road was wide and there was no one around for miles.  For some reason - the
#car swapped ends at about 40 MPH half way through the turn.  It
#surprised me
#so much - I thought I had a blowout or something - but all was fine.  The
#intersection was free of gravel or anything else, and it was almost
#perfectly flat.  I didn't brake through the turn - I did that before the
#turn, then just turned.  That was also the only time I have ever lost
#control of my car.
#
#- Cody
#


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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:58:04 -0600
From: "Walton C. Gibson" <kalla@tripoint.org>
Subject: Re: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info

Yes, I run the 265/35/18s all the way around. I have the Enkei
RP01 wheels (42mm offset) in 18x9. I haven't had any trouble with
rubbing the struts.


<color><param>7F00,0000,0000</param>> 265/35VR18 fit fine on the front as well?



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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:57:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info

I noticed after I had the Nitto 555s put on that the car seemed
"twitchier", that is more sensitive to the gooves and ridges found on
most streets. The alignment shop checked the car twice and found no
problems (they did great work on my Mitsu 4WD pickup and the wife's
AWD Subaru Legacy). I did swap tires front to rear to no effect. Of
course something could still be wrong somewhere in the suspension. I
have noticed no tendency for the back end to come around with heavy
braking.

I was accelerating hard when the back end came around making that
turn onto the entrance ramp. I have been nervous about stomping on
her in turns ever since. I should probably seek some professional
help. :)

Rich, have you or your buddies tried Nitto 555 tires for your racing
activities?

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Merritt" <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: "Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@hiwaay.net>;
<team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: YOKO and NITTO Tire Info

<snip>

If you suspect it's tires, swap the tires front to rear and see if
the problem goes away. I bet it won't, because I think you have
something wrong with your alignment.

Let us know what the problem turns out to be. Maybe us racers can
figure out a way to use whatever settings you have to get some
oversteer without swapping ends.

Rich/old poop

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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:33:55 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)

>Rich, have you or your buddies tried Nitto 555 tires for your racing
>activities?
>
I haven't run Nittos.
I've run Michelin Pilot street tires, Yokohama O32R race tires and Kuhmo
V700 race tires, and never experienced oversteer. I've gotten the car
sideways a couple of times because it washed out (lost traction), but
because I have neutral handling, I went off perfectly sideways. Maybe
that's what you guys are experiencing instead of oversteer. Just because
the car is sliding sideways does not necessarily mean that you are
oversteering. It can just mean that all four tires lost traction
simultaneously, which is what a neutral car does.

For example, on the off ramp situation: You are turning into a decreasing
radius turn, so the nose is in, power is on, and the car is in a classic
tail-slightly-out four wheel drift around the turn with the AWD grabbing
and the turbos howling. As the radius decreases, you turn in harder and the
nose follows and the tail goes wider. If you lose traction at this point,
the car will slide to the outside of the turn in what appears to be
oversteer, but it may just be sliding perfectly sideways and so will hit
the guardrail flat.

If you were to lift or bang the brakes with the car in such an orientation,
the rear likely will come around on you, but not because of oversteer --
it's because of the car's extreme position in the turn. The wheel with the
most traction is the left front (on a right hand turn), so when you lift or
bang the brakes the weight transfers forward and the left front wheel acts
like a pivot to bring the rear around. Maybe some of our driving
instructors can explain this better than I can. The racing books don't help
because they don't deal with AWD.

The best way to check for oversteer is to run a skid pad. Put a pylon or a
beer can down in the middle of a flat parking lot somewhere, and drive
around it in a circle. Keep going faster and faster at the same radius
until you can't hold it any more and the car slides out. If it slides off
tail first, you have oversteer. More likely, with our cars, it will plow
off front end first in a classic understeer or straight sideways because
it's neutral.

Rich/old poop

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Date: 2 Feb 2001 18:39:04 +0000
From: martin berkley <3000gto@breathe.com>
Subject: Team3S: Wheel alignment

Hi guys
As evryone is talking about camber at the moment.
I just had my 4 wheel alignment set today and they told me that i am at maximum adjustment and these are my final settings.
Front axle
total toe        +00%00
partial toe L.   +00%00
partial toe R.   +00%00
Camber L.        -00%29
camber R.        -01%26
out of alignment -00%30

Rear axle
total toe        -00%43
partial toe L.   -00%17
partial toe R.   -00%26
Camber L.        -00%10
camber R.        -00%28
Thrust angle     +00%04
out of alignment -00%14

Now i don't have a clue what any of that means, but if anyone can look at those figures for me and tell me wether they look OK or not.
Thanks in advance.
Martin


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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:10:43 -0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)

The good racing book I am reading for a bit of an edge at a PCA Driving
Event coming up in April at Mid-Ohio has a line that made me just laugh out
loud.  It was right after the difference between FWD understeer in a turn
and RWD oversteer.  I don't remember exactly but it said, "And we won't
discuss how an AWD car acts when racing around turns because they rarely
show up for races."  Something like that.

The important thing I learned in AutoX is that when pushed hard and slow it
acts like an understeer car until around the pivot point and then look out
traction.  When pushed fast, turning in late, you CAN get the tail to slide
out but it is for such a short time since the front and rear tires begin to
grab nearly instantaneously that you can't drift the rear around a turn like
Mustangs and Corvettes.

I learned many valuable lessons from our list racers (Merritt, John
Christian, Middaugh, Bedell, Mohler, etc.) and I owe them many, many thanks.
I also learned by reading the book and going out and trying it.  I love this
car more than I ever imagined now thanks to this list.  Lord knows how much
fun it will be when I get around to changing camber on the corners for even
MORE grip.

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- -----Original Message-----
From: Merritt [mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 12:34
To: Jeff Lucius; team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Re: Oversteer (Was Tires)

Maybe some of our driving
instructors can explain this better than I can. The racing books don't help
because they don't deal with AWD.


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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:30:09 -0800
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: White smoke  - turbo seal?

My friend was following me today and mentioned that when I floor the car,
there is a noticeable amount of white smoke that comes out of the exhaust.
This is constant until I lift off the gas.  It isn't noticeable under normal
driving though. Could this be a turbo seal problem? I have the GT-Pro 355
turbos and I've heard that the seals weren't all that great, but then again,
I've also heard good things about them too.  There are about 6000 miles on
these turbos. I guess I'm thinking that the coolant is seaping through the
seal under high boost. What do you guys think? Maybe the head gasket? The
thermostat did go bad a few weeks ago and the engine temp went into the red
for a few minutes. I'm not sure if the smoke was there before that but it's
something to consider.

Thanks,
Chris
92 R/T TT


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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:55:48 -0800
From: "noble" <nketo@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Team3S: funny ticking noise under hood

Ian,

They told me that the clanking noise coming from the area was really from my
transmission.
I suspected a spun bearing, but they said it was simply the gears
"expanding" with heat, and
clanking due to production tolerances.

Either way, I got a written statement that is legally binding just in case
of a
warranty claim (I'd bill/sue them from a 3rd party).
Fortunately, 8 years later, my tranny is still ok with its occasional
clanking.
A higher weight tranny fluid also helped quelling the noise a bit.

Note: This only occurs after a good run, giving the transmission time to
really heat up.
         During morning/cold tranny starts, there's no such noise.

Best,
Noble

- ----- Original Message -----
From: ian sweeney <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
To: <nketo@sympatico.ca>
Cc: <team3s-digest@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: funny ticking noise under hood


> Noble,
> I think to an extent you are right. THe ticking noise was there
previously.
> It is now verging on knocking so it may in fact be a different issue.
> Somebody else suggested an injector solenoid which might tally with a miss
> at high rpm. The miss didnt seemt to be worse in 3rd than 2nd, so that
would
> suggest its independent of load so maybe not the plugs. My guess is the
> injectors. anyway all will be revealed tomorrow cos i'm off to the dealer
in
> the morning.
>
> thanks
> Ian



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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 15:02:19 -0800
From: "ian sweeney" <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: funny ticking noise under hood

Noble,
went to the dealer this morning. he reckons its the lifters..not quite sure
what the lifters are (rocker arms or tappets or something) anyway its on the
way back to the yard that i bought it from. its under 6 month warranty so
hopefully he'll honor it. anyway i'm out of action for the next while.
ian


>From: "noble" <nketo@sympatico.ca>
>To: "ian sweeney" <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
>CC: <team3s-digest@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: funny ticking noise under hood
>Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:55:48 -0800
>
>Ian,
>
>They told me that the clanking noise coming from the area was really from
>my
>transmission.
>I suspected a spun bearing, but they said it was simply the gears
>"expanding" with heat, and
>clanking due to production tolerances.
>
>Either way, I got a written statement that is legally binding just in case
>of a
>warranty claim (I'd bill/sue them from a 3rd party).
>Fortunately, 8 years later, my tranny is still ok with its occasional
>clanking.
>A higher weight tranny fluid also helped quelling the noise a bit.
>
>Note: This only occurs after a good run, giving the transmission time to
>really heat up.
>          During morning/cold tranny starts, there's no such noise.
>
>Best,
>Noble
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: ian sweeney <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
>To: <nketo@sympatico.ca>
>Cc: <team3s-digest@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 5:20 PM
>Subject: Re: Team3S: funny ticking noise under hood
>
>
> > Noble,
> > I think to an extent you are right. THe ticking noise was there
>previously.
> > It is now verging on knocking so it may in fact be a different issue.
> > Somebody else suggested an injector solenoid which might tally with a
>miss
> > at high rpm. The miss didnt seemt to be worse in 3rd than 2nd, so that
>would
> > suggest its independent of load so maybe not the plugs. My guess is the
> > injectors. anyway all will be revealed tomorrow cos i'm off to the
>dealer
>in
> > the morning.
> >
> > thanks
> > Ian
>
>

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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 15:23:25 -0800
From: "ian sweeney" <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Lo-Jack and theft deterrent

further to the lo-jack idea there is an immobiliser that interacts with the
likes of lo-jack to shut the car down remotely. (i'm a little   biased cos i
used to work for the company that designed them!) but it is quite a cool
system that has 3 electrical circuit immobilisation, e.g coil, starter, fuel
pump but it also shuts down the fuel line itself using a solenoid valve. 
The idea is that without the transponder you can't deactivate the system and
you have to overcome 3 electrical circuits and the fuel circuit.  It works
well because the solenoid valve and code verifaction electronics are encased
in a robust housing on the fuel line. It resisted a 15 minute attack test at
the regulatory test house in the UK which put it in the top rankingof theft
deterrents. This system can interact with Lo-Jack to shut down the car
remotely.  Its used quite widely on trucks in europe where they can shut
down the truck if it deviates from the designated corridor, ie its stolen!
the other thing i remember is it was about $200 installed. it's called a
Kosran ECV and i can find out more if anyone's interested

ian
under repair 92 3000 VR4
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:30:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Lo-Jack and theft deterrent

Remember, lojack only works where the local law enforcement supports it.

On Star is the company behind all the GPS stuff...that works everywhere,
and where it doesnt, they'll tell you the garage it rolled into before it
lost contact.

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, ian sweeney wrote:

> further to the lo-jack idea there is an immobiliser that interacts with the
> likes of lo-jack to shut the car down remotely. (i'm a little   biased cos i
> used to work for the company that designed them!) but it is quite a cool
> system that has 3 electrical circuit immobilisation, e.g coil, starter, fuel
> pump but it also shuts down the fuel line itself using a solenoid valve. 
> The idea is that without the transponder you can't deactivate the system and
> you have to overcome 3 electrical circuits and the fuel circuit.  It works
> well because the solenoid valve and code verifaction electronics are encased
> in a robust housing on the fuel line. It resisted a 15 minute attack test at
> the regulatory test house in the UK which put it in the top rankingof theft
> deterrents. This system can interact with Lo-Jack to shut down the car
> remotely.  Its used quite widely on trucks in europe where they can shut
> down the truck if it deviates from the designated corridor, ie its stolen!
> the other thing i remember is it was about $200 installed. it's called a
> Kosran ECV and i can find out more if anyone's interested
>
> ian
> under repair 92 3000 VR4
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:36:37 EST
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Single vs. twin turbo?

This may be a bit off topic, but I'm interested in studying the trade-offs
between a larger single turbo vs. smaller twin turbos (parallel system as in
the VR4/Stealth TT). I recognize that the twin turbo will have less turbo
lag, but does it offer any other advantages over a larger single turbo in
terms of air charge temperature, installed weight/volume, heat generation,
and exhaust backpressure?

Also, does anybody know of any good books or articles that cover turbocharger
to engine matching? (i.e. what size/flowrate turbo is good for an engine with
a given HP/displacement)

Thanks

Paul Klusman

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:44:01 -0500
From: "Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Single vs. twin turbo?

Ref. Maximum Boost by Bell.  This is a common standard among car guys, but
unfortunately not among airplane guys.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Klusmanp@aol.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:36 PM
Subject: Team3S: Single vs. twin turbo?


> This may be a bit off topic, but I'm interested in studying the trade-offs
> between a larger single turbo vs. smaller twin turbos (parallel system as
in
> the VR4/Stealth TT). I recognize that the twin turbo will have less turbo
> lag, but does it offer any other advantages over a larger single turbo in
> terms of air charge temperature, installed weight/volume, heat generation,
> and exhaust backpressure?
>
> Also, does anybody know of any good books or articles that cover
turbocharger
> to engine matching? (i.e. what size/flowrate turbo is good for an engine
with
> a given HP/displacement)
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul Klusman
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:07:22 -0500
From: "Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Team3S: Toe Recommendations

I'm wandering what the effects of toe adjustments are.  After setting my
front camber, I checked toe using a laser pointer.  With the beam just
touching the front and rear sidewalls of the front tire (at rocker sill
height), you can measure the distance from the rocker sill to the beam along
the length of the rocker sill.  With this metheod, I measured both fronts
with just a slight amont of toe-in.  I'm assuming this is good to go, but
I'm wandering what kind of affects toe adjustments have at the front and the
rear.  I havn't got to the rears yet, but I'm assuming they should have a
slight amount of toe-in also.

Regards,
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 18:26:27 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Wheel alignment

Martin

The % sign is meaningless in this application Camber and caster are measured in degrees and
toe is measured in inches. On the front axle the toe is zero which is fine the spec says ± .12" so
0 is fine.

The camber is  supposed to  be ± ½ degree or ±30', as you no doubt remember from school, angles can be broken down into
degrees, minutes and seconds --- each degree can be broken down into 60 minutes [ 60' ] and each minute into 60 seconds
 60" ] therefore ½ degree is
written as  30' .The camber on the left front is probably 29' which is within the ±30'.

The problem on the rt. front is the negative 1 degree 26 minutes [ 1º 26' ] ---- remember the spec
is  ± 30' so the wheel  is tilted in at the top by 1º more than you want. My car has 1½ º
negative in front for street use and I will have 3º negative for the track [ a set of tires will last me
less than a year --- wear rating 80 ].
If you want handling the 1½º is a good thing [ should have it on both wheels ], If you want 30K
miles out of a set of tires buy a Honda. The camber is adjustable so I have no idea why they
couldn't bring it into spec --- bent parts, worn parts ??? they should have given you some idea.
The report says out of spec by 29' [ ½º ] but it looks to me as though it's out by about 1º, I have
no Idea where they got a  ½.

On the rear your camber is within the ±30', but the wheels are toed in by .17 inches and .26
inches --- again the rear toe is adjustable but you have to disconnect the rear tie rod adjust the
camber then reconnect  and adjust the toe --- If the shop doesn't know what they're doing that
could be part of the problem. I don't remember how the rear toe is adjusted but in the case of
front there is a huge amount of adjustment on the tie rod ends. I've heard of not being able to
reach the camber spec but not the toe spec.

I don't know about thrust angle ---- I keep threating to find out but haven't yet.

confused yet ???????

Jim Berry




- ----- Original Message -----
From: martin berkley <3000gto@breathe.com>
.
> I just had my 4 wheel alignment set today and they told me that i am at maximum adjustment and these are my final
settings.
> Front axle
> total toe        +00%00
> partial toe L.   +00%00
> partial toe R.   +00%00
> Camber L.        -00%29
> camber R.        -01%26
> out of alignment -00%30
>
> Rear axle
> total toe        -00%43
> partial toe L.   -00%17
> partial toe R.   -00%26
> Camber L.        -00%10
> camber R.        -00%28
> Thrust angle     +00%04
> out of alignment -00%14
>
> Now i don't have a clue what any of that means, but if anyone can look at those figures for me and tell me wether they
look OK or not.



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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:57:08 -0000
From: "George Shaw" <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: CATZ?

CATZ are not that common in the UK. Does anyone have any experience with
these or other auxiliary lights? Which are the BEST for driving & fog that
fit our cars? Has anyone tried the CATZ Zeta00 system that boosts the
voltage to STD lights? I see they also do a neat turbo timer!

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