team3s           Wednesday, January 31 2001           Volume 01 : Number 393




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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:24:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings

> specified for our car.  I believe it's more important to have the same
> amount of negative camber between left and right wheels than to have the
> same amount between front and rear.  We are not experiencing any abnormal
> tire wear.  In fact, our track tires are outlasting many other drivers, and
> are wearing very evenly.
- ---

Thats not totally true.

Without your body weight in the car (as it would when you are driving) you
impact camber by usually .2d from left to right, this also affects toe-in
as well.

Any static unloaded alignment you get, is a ways off what it -should- be
as its being raced on a track.


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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:27:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TT with automatic

Horsepower schmorsche power.

Its torque that destroys auto trannies, and those DSMs dont have a
mountain of torque down LOW were its hell on an auto tranny.  You'll build
up more heat and stress from 0-40 at WOT than you will from 20-150. Three
hundred+ FtLbs of torque so easily available in the VR4 on the simple mods
would be incredibly destructive on anything but a highly modified tranny
(larger valve body, modified accumulators, expensive clutch packs).

Even if parts are available, its not worth the relatively huge power loss
in the conversion.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 DKoenigs@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks for your opinion, Steve.  You may be right BUT; 1) I'm betting that no
> one ever thought a powerglide would hold 1000 HP+ behind a big block, 2) the
> DSM guys are running 400 HP+ (conservative for some) with automatics.  Less
> torque I know, but pretty big HP just the same, and 3) it doesn't sound like
> the manual guys have what you would call a "bullet proof" drive train.  Hell,
> I'll bet I can even buy parts to repair the auto.
>
> Don
> Hoping someone has made this swap and will share info  
>


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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:46:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: re: Clutch fluid leaking inside the car

Anytime you replace a master cylinder, consider doing the slave at the
same time..the better response/pressure generated by the new master -may-
fail the slave.

Just preventative maintenance..coz its cheaper in your driveway than in
BFE.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com wrote:

>                                                                    Subject:
>                                                   re: Clutch fluid leaking
>                                                   inside the car
>                                                              Attachment(s):
>                                                   <font size=-1></font>
>
> Chris,
>
> Same thing happened to me last summer. The clutch Master cylinder was bad.
> A kit is not available and a new one costs about $130 through a Dodge or
> Mitsu dealer (same part number). You can replace it yourself, but it's a
> real pain and will take some time. The brake MC, brake booster, the steel
> clutch tube, and battery all have to be removed before you can get to the
> clutch MC. A few other things have to be loosened up to remove that tube.
> It's a real headache to remove. And then you have to spend some time on the
> floorboard behind the pedals to get to all the bolts. It's doable, though.
> Don't forget to bleed the clutch and brakes when you're done --- another
> pain in the ###.
> Hope this helps.
>
> JeffW
> '92 VR4
>
>
> >    Hi everyone, the other day i noticed that my car was leaking clutch
> fluid
> >from inside the car, it seems to be leaking form a rubber part thats right
> >behind the pedal.  Has anyone had this problem before?  I was thinking
> maybe
> >it could be something i could fix, and save me from being yet another
> victim
> >at my local mitsu dealer.  Any advise its greatly appreciated.  Thanks in
> >advance.
> >Chris, 92 SL.
> (Embedded image moved to file: pic01847.pcx)
>
>


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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:25:35 -0600
From: "Vineet Singh \(3S\)" <stealthtt@ecanfix.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: TT with automatic

Not quite true, though I am speaking from a lighter car experience
(DSM), but the tranny internals and valvebody are the same on the
3/S's. Just like you upgrade your clutch on a M/T before you modify
your car for more power (or after, but either way, it's required), you
NEED TO UPGRADE YOUR VALVEBODY to allow quicker and firmer shifts,
along with more pressure to each clutch pack. O/D is a known failure
point, and there are upgrade end clutches available through
DUNRITE-CONVERTER.COM . An upgrade torque converter would be nice on a
turbocharged application as well.

The tranny should bolt right up, and brake torque to a few psi, and
launch, and you should leave one or two(especially with a Quaife FWD
LSD) dark patches on the ground :). Tranny's from DSM's WON'T work,
because the bell housing that mates to the engine is way different,
the rest is the same.

Only 2 tranny's have "broken" due to 400+hp, in our at.dsm.org club,
and that's because the necessary mods were either not done, or not
done properly. You might have a little more problem with a 3/S with
that much hp, since they weigh more too. Talk to Tony at dunrite,
he'll set you up. I think GTPRO was doing something similar as well.
Oh, and the parts needed for this? are like 75$ each (OD, and VB
mods). There are over 8 people with 350+hp in the club, and no
problems so far! Far less than I can say for DSM m/t's (broken shift
forks, clutches, diff's, etc). The car that KaizenTuning is campaining
is also an A/T... of sorts :)

Vinny Singh
http://www.kaizentuning.com/
http://manualcd.dsm.org/ - DSM & 3/S Service manuals on CDROM

>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:25:38 -0500
>From: "Jeff VanOrsdal" <jeffv@1nce.com>
>Subject: RE: Team3S: TT with automatic

>All three transmissions are 100% interchangeable with all three
engine
>variations.  However, the automatic tranny has been known to be
failure
>prone in high-output nitrous and forced induction applications.

>Jeff V.


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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:28:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: TT with automatic

> Only 2 tranny's have "broken" due to 400+hp, in our at.dsm.org club,
- ---

Ok..but what torque levels.  HP is irrelevant.  Torque is what shears the
living hell out of a tranny...and the lower in the RPM band peak torque
appears, the worse it is.



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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:48:41 EST
From: DKoenigs@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: TT with automatic

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Thanks Vinny,

Yours is only the second reply I have had that actually discussed the
project.  The trans mods have been done.  In fact done and then some.  If you
want a real shift try running without the pressure control solenoid.  Damned
nears changes lanes on a 1 - 2 full throttle shift.  Torque steer is a bitch
on a FWD if you are not ready for it.

A properly prepared automatic can't break as often as that fine Getrag unit
the M/T boys have to put up with.  And once again if it does, parts are
available.  None of this complete unit replacement "repair" if you want to
call that a repair.  You know.  It's the one that lightens your wallet by
several K. 

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Thanks Vinny,
<BR>
<BR>Yours is only the second reply I have had that actually discussed the
<BR>project. &nbsp;The trans mods have been done. &nbsp;In fact done and then some. &nbsp;If you
<BR>want a real shift try running without the pressure control solenoid. &nbsp;Damned
<BR>nears changes lanes on a 1 - 2 full throttle shift. &nbsp;Torque steer is a bitch
<BR>on a FWD if you are not ready for it.
<BR>
<BR>A properly prepared automatic can't break as often as that fine Getrag unit
<BR>the M/T boys have to put up with. &nbsp;And once again if it does, parts are
<BR>available. &nbsp;None of this complete unit replacement "repair" if you want to
<BR>call that a repair. &nbsp;You know. &nbsp;It's the one that lightens your wallet by
<BR>several K. &nbsp;</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:58:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TT with automatic

*heh*

Fine piece of work there..darn Getrag boys outdone themselves on that one.

So much art there..everyone's just gotta have 2 or 3 of em in the garage.

*heh*


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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:31:43 +0000
From: Gordon Tyrrell <gordon.tyrrell@openet-int.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: F**king car thieves

Thanks all for the supportive words.

The MX6 was recovered late last night with the front axle ripped off.
Obviously the morons finally figured out that it wasn't the 2.5 V6 that the rest
of the world gets but infact a 2.0 V6 4ws that only Japan gets and decided to
use it as a joyrider car instead.

Anyone got a list of parts for under the steering column?



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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:14:33 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings

I understand that. Your point is well-taken.  However, in most of my track
sessions I have a student/senior instructor/passenger in the car. 

Since my son and I have Ground Control adjustable ride height suspension, we
were considering adjusting corner weights.  Again, any static, unloaded
alignment is a ways off from the way the car is on the track.  We were
thinking we would just try to get the car close to being neutral.  Of
course, even the CG changes as you drive the car, as you use up fuel, the CG
gets lower (I believe).  Adding the driver changes the CG, and then adding a
passenger changes it again.  Since there are more left turns than right,
some people adjust the weight to the left since to compensate for the weight
transfer to the right on a lefthand turn. I think if the car is corner
weighted neutral, I am accomplishing that by sitting my fat butt in the
driver's seat.

I dunno - you guys have any more words of wisdom on alignment and corner
weighting?

Chuck 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:24 PM
> To: Willis, Charles E.
> Cc: 'Trent'; Team 3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings
>
> > specified for our car.  I believe it's more important to have the same
> > amount of negative camber between left and right wheels than to have the
> > same amount between front and rear.  We are not experiencing any
> abnormal
> > tire wear.  In fact, our track tires are outlasting many other drivers,
> and
> > are wearing very evenly.
> ---
>
> Thats not totally true.
>
> Without your body weight in the car (as it would when you are driving) you
> impact camber by usually .2d from left to right, this also affects toe-in
> as well.
>
> Any static unloaded alignment you get, is a ways off what it -should- be
> as its being raced on a track.

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:25:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Intake Plenum

And for our 3S turbo cars, the "largest" (smallest?) restriction in
the exhaust is that 1" diameter hole all the exhaust from 3 cylinders
must go through *before* it gets to the turbine wheel. :)

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To: <Kdog109SD@aol.com>
Cc: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Intake Plenum

<snip>

The largest restriction in your intake is your valve..anything ya do
before that outside of larger ICs doesnt buy you a thing in a turbo
environment.



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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:13:56 -0800
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings

I wouldn't put this information into the words of wisdom category, but the setting of corner weights is  more correctly
called cross weight biasing. By adjusting corner height you can change the cross corner weights ---- if you lower the
right front you increase the weight on the left front and the right rear. You can't adjust side to side or front to back
without actually moving weight around --- fuel tank full or empty moves weight distribution front to back for example.

Corner weights are usually set with ½ tank of fuel and the driver in the car, for road tracks the car is usually  set up
with all corners equal. But as Chuck said a several conditions can upset the balance of the car ---- according to Ground
Control even excessive caster changes the weight bias on turn-in.

I guess the most bestest way would be to set the weights with you in the car then have the alignment done with you in the
car, then don't allow no riff raff along.

        Jim Berry
========================================================


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Willis, Charles E. <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>

> Since my son and I have Ground Control adjustable ride height suspension, we
> were considering adjusting corner weights.  Again, any static, unloaded
> alignment is a ways off from the way the car is on the track
<snip>
> I dunno - you guys have any more words of wisdom on alignment and corner
> weighting?



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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:20:25 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: DSM Shootout July 2001--BEEE THEEERRE!

OK here is the official dates, SIX MONTHS ahead of time so everybody
will have enough time to set their schedules!

2001 DSM Shootout (has class for 3000GT / Stealths)
Norwalk, Ohio Raceway Park
July 20, 21 and 22
Sponsored by Buschur Racing (etc)
Friday     =  DSM/3000GT Shootout
Saturday = Car Show and Autocross Event
Sunday =  ALL-IMPORT shootout (not sure if it is IDRC, NIRA or whomever)

Buschur Racing's website is http://www.buschurracing.com/
but it doesn't yet have info; I just got the dates.
There is a tech session held over pizza or dinner; sometimes a cookout,
I don't
know ALL the details as they are likely evolving yet, but we can start
planning.
Get hotel room early, as they start filling up; we stay at the
Econolodge; there is
a Super 8 etc there too...

This event is the PREMIER event for Mitsubishi/DSM vehicles in the USA,
and
you get 3 race events on one weekend so even if traveling far, is
worthwhile.

It is a GREAT time!  There are over 200 cars, many people, beautiful
dragstrip
and the strip is prepped as well as any I've seen--very professional
track crew.
We go in a group from Wisconsin; last year my buddy brought his 95 Supra
TT
(HKS twin ballbearing turbos etc, 11.00 @140 on street tires AT the DSM
event
last year)...he HAD wondered if it would be a good time/worth going, and
he can't
WAIT to go again this year!

As far as shops, there are shops there from ALL across the country for
DSM's
and they KNOW they gain FAR MORE in business from people able to see
the quality of their work--and the RESULTS--than any loss due to missing

at most a Thursday through Monday of one week in the year.  There are
people there from different COUNTRIES (and not just Canada/Mexico!)

I am told there are some rivalries between some people and shops out
there :)
and many have said "Settle it at the DSM Shootout 2001".  I agree.  This

is not a one-shot deal, it is YEARLY-- and if one wins one year, the
NEXT
year who knows?  Competition improves the breed, so let's all be there--

or, let's hear the excuses how it can't possibly be done with SIX MONTHS

ADVANCE NOTICE.  If a shop can't manage to make it with THAT much
advance notice...or doesn't CARE enough to put out the EFFORT,
how dedicated are they to our cars REALLY?  Of course there is
dedication to MONEY, and nothing wrong with that; this shows dedication
to the CAR and the SPORT.  That is my opinion.  Some may disagree.

Last year we had a small but dedicated and enthusiastic group of
3000GT/Stealth
people, and I know this year we'll grow in size.  The DSM's like us
there because
we provide some interesting/different cars...and we are all "relatives
"  :)

It will be an interesting event, and allow many of us to meet in person
and
check each other's cars out someplace OTHER than in front of a computer
screen in our CUBBYHOLES!  I suspect there will be records broken
aplenty,
including my almost 4-year-old 10.81/128.44mph from 1997...many times
people are afraid to go because it puts equipment to the test IN FRONT
OF
A CROWD, but I've gone every year I had a car running  since 97, and
even
went without car when I didn't have one running.  I broke my 94 there
last year
at the Import meet  :)

Jack Tertadian
1993 3000GT VR4  10.81 @128.44mph UNcorrected in 1997, still the
quickest AND fastest despite years of talk
1994 3000GT VR4  11.219 @ 124.63mph UNcorrected  6/2000 no NOS quickest
ET
I don't usually pull out my records or put this stuff in my
signature--some do; but for
this announcement I am pulling rank   ;)




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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:08:59 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Intake Plenum (whole path !)

>And for our 3S turbo cars, the "largest" (smallest?) restriction in
>the exhaust is that 1" diameter hole all the exhaust from 3 cylinders
>must go through *before* it gets to the turbine wheel. :)

I understand the smiley Jeff ;-)
Well, the exhaust path is not critical before the turbo as one should know
what keeps the turbine wheel turning. It's the pressure difference between
before and after the turbine ! So the higher the pressure before and the
lower the exhaust backpressure after the wheel the better the efficiency of
the system ! This is why an open exhaust after the turbine outlet is what
is the best for high rpm while some backpressure should be there on the low
rpm basis where the turbine doesn't act as a big restriction and the engine
produces more tourque due to the backpressure.

>The largest restriction in your intake is your valve..anything ya do
>before that outside of larger ICs doesnt buy you a thing in a turbo
>environment.

There are many restrictions that can be found in the path but this is how
an engine is built. Some parts are designed for mass-production and
improvement can be found. Just have a look on my project page and one can
see the exhaust path after the valve and how it can be improved to prevent
restrictions and especially turbulences (our biggest emeny outside the
mufflers)

After the turbos, every bend in the piping acts like a restriction and the
IC itselfs is the biggest as it acts as a slow-down for the air stream.
Correctly said, the stream stays the same but pressure is slower built up
on a large intercooler.
Then there is a trhottle-body with the plate that is a restriction again
that causes heavy turbulence.
Now enter the intake plenum and find the rear core that allows to keep
enough pressure to provide a balanced feed to the cylinders. Of course,
this would be much better with a central or double feed.
Then the entries of the runners, not the best thing in the world but how
would one do it better for the mass ?
The runners lead to the intake manifold where we find a thin gasket that is
larger than the openings. Gasket matching the 6 channels helps in
increasing the amount of air traveling per minute. Increasing the size of
the runners would increase the amount too but the same time the speed is
decreased what would result in an necessity to change the lenght of the
runners too !
Finally the path leads to the intake valves, where still a good turbulence
free mixture flow is needed.
The stock injectors do help in this case as they do have a dual spray
pattern. No larger injector does this and therefore is not optimal as it
sprays to the wall between the valves. Work on this part for the increased
pressure and amount of mixture. It should be machined to get the edge more
far away from the injector. This is also due to the fact that most
injectors are longer at their nozzle and do create more turbulence than
expected.
Finally the path to the valves is now optimized and the valve design gives
the intake stream the necessary swirl to provide an optimal filling of the
chamber. This can only be provided by a good fast stream with a high
velocity sent above the shape of the valve body.
For the outlet speed is also interesting, as the chamber should be
evaporated as fast as possible. The exhaust manifold then doesn't play a
big rule, at least not in our cars, as the turbine housing is what acts as
the biggest restriction. Before the turbine housing the pressure gets
increased and pushes against the turbine wheel. The wheel then turns and
the exhaust gases speed up in their velocity. The smaller diameter to the
turbine increases this while pressure stays the same or even increases due
to the increasing rpm. But if pressure becomes too high, the temperature
quickly rises and hits back into the chamber causing a lean situation...
what leads to detonation. This can be seen on high EGT as an example. now,
the exhaust manifold can be designed in many different ways, Kenne Bells
"Maximum Boost" gives a good description in that case.

Finally, if one does a modification to the intake or exhaust he always
should do the whole path because onyl the combination of these rules. So it
isn't necessary to improve the exhaust part when there is no more mixture
that can be filled in !

Happy porting,
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:25:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings

WIden the front track of the car 1/2" total, and watchc yer times drop.

The car has a huge amount of understeer built in because the front is
narrower.

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Willis, Charles E. wrote:

> I understand that. Your point is well-taken.  However, in most of my track
> sessions I have a student/senior instructor/passenger in the car. 
>
> Since my son and I have Ground Control adjustable ride height suspension, we
> were considering adjusting corner weights.  Again, any static, unloaded
> alignment is a ways off from the way the car is on the track.  We were
> thinking we would just try to get the car close to being neutral.  Of
> course, even the CG changes as you drive the car, as you use up fuel, the CG
> gets lower (I believe).  Adding the driver changes the CG, and then adding a
> passenger changes it again.  Since there are more left turns than right,
> some people adjust the weight to the left since to compensate for the weight
> transfer to the right on a lefthand turn. I think if the car is corner
> weighted neutral, I am accomplishing that by sitting my fat butt in the
> driver's seat.
>
> I dunno - you guys have any more words of wisdom on alignment and corner
> weighting?
>
> Chuck 
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:24 PM
> > To: Willis, Charles E.
> > Cc: 'Trent'; Team 3S
> > Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings
> >
> > > specified for our car.  I believe it's more important to have the same
> > > amount of negative camber between left and right wheels than to have the
> > > same amount between front and rear.  We are not experiencing any
> > abnormal
> > > tire wear.  In fact, our track tires are outlasting many other drivers,
> > and
> > > are wearing very evenly.
> > ---
> >
> > Thats not totally true.
> >
> > Without your body weight in the car (as it would when you are driving) you
> > impact camber by usually .2d from left to right, this also affects toe-in
> > as well.
> >
> > Any static unloaded alignment you get, is a ways off what it -should- be
> > as its being raced on a track.
>


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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:26:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Intake Plenum

True..but thats a good design on the stock turbo..

Keeps velocities high, spins turbo better.

Good flow for a larger turbo..not really.

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Jeff Lucius wrote:

> And for our 3S turbo cars, the "largest" (smallest?) restriction in
> the exhaust is that 1" diameter hole all the exhaust from 3 cylinders
> must go through *before* it gets to the turbine wheel. :)
>
> Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
> To: <Kdog109SD@aol.com>
> Cc: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Intake Plenum
>
> <snip>
>
> The largest restriction in your intake is your valve..anything ya do
> before that outside of larger ICs doesnt buy you a thing in a turbo
> environment.
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:44:21 -0600
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: DSM SHOOTOUT 2001 -- REGISTER!

If we have enough cars committed beforehand, we can see how many
nonturbos will be there and hopefully separate a class.  Last year I had
to personally beg plead argue convince Dave Buschur to give us any race
class at all because we didn't get together as a group early enough, and
I got us one.  This year we will have more, and my HOPE would be for a
turbo class and a nonturbo class.

Don't worry too much about number of classes; the idea here is not so
much to WIN, but to SHOW and BE THERE with comrades.  If we all go in
planning to either win a class or be upset, everybody but one or two end
up disappointed, and that is BUNK.  I don't go expecting to win; just go
to BE there, race, let the chips fall where they may...but MAINLY enjoy
the EVENT, the CARS and the PEOPLE!

We should have a post section in "Track" section of 3SI  at
http://64.39.19.113/
with :
1)WHO you are
2)WHAT car you have/what Shop associated with
3)HOW MANY coming with you
4)WHERE you're from
5)WHAT HOTEL you're staying at
6)EMail address

1) Jack Tertadian
2) 1994 3000GT VR4, Atomic Motorsports :)
3) 1-2 other 3000's, group of ~10-15 people incl. DSM's and Supra
4) Milwaukee Wisconsin area
5) Econolodge (have 3 rooms)
6) xwing@execpc.com


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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:56:32 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings

This is the spacer thing, yeah?  That would be 1/4" spacers on each side.

We believe that the understeer was reduced upon lowering the car 3/4" from
stock ride height.  Is this just fantasy on our part?  The steering is MUCH
more responsive. I don't think this is an effect of the stiffer springs
because the change is in the initial turn in, rather than later when weight
transfers during the turn.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:25 PM
> To: Willis, Charles E.
> Cc: 'Trent'; Team 3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings
>
> WIden the front track of the car 1/2" total, and watchc yer times drop.
>
> The car has a huge amount of understeer built in because the front is
> narrower.
>
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Willis, Charles E. wrote:
>
> > I understand that. Your point is well-taken.  However, in most of my
> track
> > sessions I have a student/senior instructor/passenger in the car. 
> >
> > Since my son and I have Ground Control adjustable ride height
> suspension, we
> > were considering adjusting corner weights.  Again, any static, unloaded
> > alignment is a ways off from the way the car is on the track.  We were
> > thinking we would just try to get the car close to being neutral.  Of
> > course, even the CG changes as you drive the car, as you use up fuel,
> the CG
> > gets lower (I believe).  Adding the driver changes the CG, and then
> adding a
> > passenger changes it again.  Since there are more left turns than right,
> > some people adjust the weight to the left since to compensate for the
> weight
> > transfer to the right on a lefthand turn. I think if the car is corner
> > weighted neutral, I am accomplishing that by sitting my fat butt in the
> > driver's seat.
> >
> > I dunno - you guys have any more words of wisdom on alignment and corner
> > weighting?
> >
> > Chuck 
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:24 PM
> > > To: Willis, Charles E.
> > > Cc: 'Trent'; Team 3S
> > > Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings
> > >
> > > > specified for our car.  I believe it's more important to have the
> same
> > > > amount of negative camber between left and right wheels than to have
> the
> > > > same amount between front and rear.  We are not experiencing any
> > > abnormal
> > > > tire wear.  In fact, our track tires are outlasting many other
> drivers,
> > > and
> > > > are wearing very evenly.
> > > ---
> > >
> > > Thats not totally true.
> > >
> > > Without your body weight in the car (as it would when you are driving)
> you
> > > impact camber by usually .2d from left to right, this also affects
> toe-in
> > > as well.
> > >
> > > Any static unloaded alignment you get, is a ways off what it -should-
> be
> > > as its being raced on a track.
> >

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:58:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings

Fantasy..what you got was less roll and more control in a turn.

The still has a 1/2" narrow front track, which will tend to push a
lot...esp as you want to accelerate thru a turn (which AWD excels in)

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Willis, Charles E. wrote:

> This is the spacer thing, yeah?  That would be 1/4" spacers on each side.
>
> We believe that the understeer was reduced upon lowering the car 3/4" from
> stock ride height.  Is this just fantasy on our part?  The steering is MUCH
> more responsive. I don't think this is an effect of the stiffer springs
> because the change is in the initial turn in, rather than later when weight
> transfers during the turn.
>
> Chuck
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:25 PM
> > To: Willis, Charles E.
> > Cc: 'Trent'; Team 3S
> > Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings
> >
> > WIden the front track of the car 1/2" total, and watchc yer times drop.
> >
> > The car has a huge amount of understeer built in because the front is
> > narrower.
> >
> > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Willis, Charles E. wrote:
> >
> > > I understand that. Your point is well-taken.  However, in most of my
> > track
> > > sessions I have a student/senior instructor/passenger in the car. 
> > >
> > > Since my son and I have Ground Control adjustable ride height
> > suspension, we
> > > were considering adjusting corner weights.  Again, any static, unloaded
> > > alignment is a ways off from the way the car is on the track.  We were
> > > thinking we would just try to get the car close to being neutral.  Of
> > > course, even the CG changes as you drive the car, as you use up fuel,
> > the CG
> > > gets lower (I believe).  Adding the driver changes the CG, and then
> > adding a
> > > passenger changes it again.  Since there are more left turns than right,
> > > some people adjust the weight to the left since to compensate for the
> > weight
> > > transfer to the right on a lefthand turn. I think if the car is corner
> > > weighted neutral, I am accomplishing that by sitting my fat butt in the
> > > driver's seat.
> > >
> > > I dunno - you guys have any more words of wisdom on alignment and corner
> > > weighting?
> > >
> > > Chuck 
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Geoff Mohler [SMTP:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:24 PM
> > > > To: Willis, Charles E.
> > > > Cc: 'Trent'; Team 3S
> > > > Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings
> > > >
> > > > > specified for our car.  I believe it's more important to have the
> > same
> > > > > amount of negative camber between left and right wheels than to have
> > the
> > > > > same amount between front and rear.  We are not experiencing any
> > > > abnormal
> > > > > tire wear.  In fact, our track tires are outlasting many other
> > drivers,
> > > > and
> > > > > are wearing very evenly.
> > > > ---
> > > >
> > > > Thats not totally true.
> > > >
> > > > Without your body weight in the car (as it would when you are driving)
> > you
> > > > impact camber by usually .2d from left to right, this also affects
> > toe-in
> > > > as well.
> > > >
> > > > Any static unloaded alignment you get, is a ways off what it -should-
> > be
> > > > as its being raced on a track.
> > >
>


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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:14:46 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings

At 12:58 PM 1/31/01 -0800, Geoff Mohler wrote:
>Fantasy..what you got was less roll and more control in a turn.
>The still has a 1/2" narrow front track, which will tend to push a
>lot...esp as you want to accelerate thru a turn (which AWD excels in)
>
>> This is the spacer thing, yeah?  That would be 1/4" spacers on each side.
>>
That's easy for you to say, Geoff. You have YOUR spacers, which you got at
a speed shop in Tulsa or someplace like that. Ever since you brought this
up six months ago, I've been looking on and off for a set of 1/4 in.
spacers and 1/4 in. longer studs to no avail. Every potential supplier
either doesn't know what I'm talking about, doesn't have the parts, or
wants to know dimensions and part numbers. If I take my spare studs to the
local NASCAR speed shop, they look at me like I'm crazy.

If somebody would tell me where I can buy spacers, studs, and appropriate
open-head lug nuts, I'll order them in a New York minute.
Rich/old poop

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:38:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings

Merritt:  I gave you thier number, and a name to ask for.

What did he say?

You need to find a better speed-shop than Midas for the studs and spacers.

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Merritt wrote:

> At 12:58 PM 1/31/01 -0800, Geoff Mohler wrote:
> >Fantasy..what you got was less roll and more control in a turn.
> >The still has a 1/2" narrow front track, which will tend to push a
> >lot...esp as you want to accelerate thru a turn (which AWD excels in)
> >
> >> This is the spacer thing, yeah?  That would be 1/4" spacers on each side.
> >>
> That's easy for you to say, Geoff. You have YOUR spacers, which you got at
> a speed shop in Tulsa or someplace like that. Ever since you brought this
> up six months ago, I've been looking on and off for a set of 1/4 in.
> spacers and 1/4 in. longer studs to no avail. Every potential supplier
> either doesn't know what I'm talking about, doesn't have the parts, or
> wants to know dimensions and part numbers. If I take my spare studs to the
> local NASCAR speed shop, they look at me like I'm crazy.
>
> If somebody would tell me where I can buy spacers, studs, and appropriate
> open-head lug nuts, I'll order them in a New York minute.
> Rich/old poop
>


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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:46:24 -0800
From: "ian sweeney" <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: funny ticking noise under hood

please help!! drove into work this morning and thought the engine note was a
little different and a little down on power maybe. when i got into work
lifted the hood and noted a funny ticking noise around the head somewhere.
sounds like tappets or something. the noise had been there previously but
not as load. i assumed fuel pump and left it to die of natural causes as car
is under warranty. i am extremely nervous now! i have raced cars and
remember one of my race engines doing this before, ie drop in power, and
then it ran a bearing..painful! anyway oil pressure is fine per the dash
gauge but i'm worried there may be something more serious...any suggestions?
ian
92 3000gt TT
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:50:08 -0700
From: "Matthew H. Fogle" <foglem@t-three.com>
Subject: Team3S: 91 VR4 for sale

This will be my final post to the list so return messages send to:
foglem@t-three.com.
I am getting rid of my 91 VR4 with 101,000 miles. It runs great, no
mods... If interested contact me... Thanks and goodbye to the list!


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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:55:14 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings

Hi Rich,

> If somebody would tell me where I can buy spacers, studs, and appropriate
> open-head lug nuts, I'll order them in a New York minute.

I've given you this information before, but here it is again.  What you want is
the 15mm (1/2 ") H&R spacer & long lug kit as seen here at
http://www.nascarplace.com/hrspacers/itm02244.htm.  I believe one of the 3SI
parts specialists sells these kits at a discount, so make some calls or send
emails.  Even at the $120 price, it is not too expensive.

- --
If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now.

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics - Fusion Group, San Diego, CA

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:57:56 -0700
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings

+> At 12:58 PM 1/31/01 -0800, Geoff Mohler wrote:
+> >Fantasy..what you got was less roll and more control in a turn.
+> >The still has a 1/2" narrow front track, which will tend to push a
+> >lot...esp as you want to accelerate thru a turn (which AWD excels in)
+> >
+> >> This is the spacer thing, yeah?  That would be 1/4" spacers on each side.
+> >>
+> That's easy for you to say, Geoff. You have YOUR spacers, which you got at
+> a speed shop in Tulsa or someplace like that. Ever since you brought this
+> up six months ago, I've been looking on and off for a set of 1/4 in.
+> spacers and 1/4 in. longer studs to no avail. Every potential supplier
+> either doesn't know what I'm talking about, doesn't have the parts, or
+> wants to know dimensions and part numbers. If I take my spare studs to the
+> local NASCAR speed shop, they look at me like I'm crazy.
+>
+> If somebody would tell me where I can buy spacers, studs, and appropriate
+> open-head lug nuts, I'll order them in a New York minute.
+> Rich/old poop
+>
+> ***  Info:  http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm  ***

I've been interested in this as well, but for an additionalt reason..  I
bought a set of 1st gen VR4 wheels with awesome snows, but as many have
attested (and I will too now..) they don't fit over 2nd gen calipers..

all that would be necessary to clear is interestingly enough, about
1/4"..

check this out:    http://www.nascarplace.com/hrspacers/itmidx23.htm

5mm, 15mm, and 25mm spacers..

fyi, you can order the 15mm ones from Carparts.com, and if you can find
a current coupon, they're about $80 shipped..  that's what I did, but now
I'm trying to decide if that's just too wide..  unfortunately, the 5mm
ones just won't quite do what I need..   I was hoping that the spacers
would be a win-win in that I could use the other wheels, and also have
better handling when I have the 18's on..

anyone?


Dave
=======================
= 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
= 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
= There is no spoon.. =
=======================


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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:01:38 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings

>I've given you this information before, but here it is again.  What you
want is
>the 15mm (1/2 ") H&R spacer & long lug kit as seen here at
>http://www.nascarplace.com/hrspacers/itm02244.htm.  I believe one of the 3SI
>parts specialists sells these kits at a discount, so make some calls or send
>emails.  Even at the $120 price, it is not too expensive.
>
Ken:
I have never seen this before.
A few months ago you were tracking these down, but I never learned the
outcome.
Guess I better order me a set before they sell out.

Anybody know the 3SI parts specialists Ken's talking about?

Thanks

Rich


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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:19:30 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings

so how does this work?  do I have to remove the studs from the hub/bearing
assembly on the front wheels to attach these things?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Monarchi [SMTP:monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 3:58 PM
> To: Merritt
> Cc: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings
>
>
>
> +> At 12:58 PM 1/31/01 -0800, Geoff Mohler wrote:
> +> >Fantasy..what you got was less roll and more control in a turn.
> +> >The still has a 1/2" narrow front track, which will tend to push a
> +> >lot...esp as you want to accelerate thru a turn (which AWD excels in)
> +> >
> +> >> This is the spacer thing, yeah?  That would be 1/4" spacers on each
> side.
> +> >>
> +> That's easy for you to say, Geoff. You have YOUR spacers, which you got
> at
> +> a speed shop in Tulsa or someplace like that. Ever since you brought
> this
> +> up six months ago, I've been looking on and off for a set of 1/4 in.
> +> spacers and 1/4 in. longer studs to no avail. Every potential supplier
> +> either doesn't know what I'm talking about, doesn't have the parts, or
> +> wants to know dimensions and part numbers. If I take my spare studs to
> the
> +> local NASCAR speed shop, they look at me like I'm crazy.
> +>
> +> If somebody would tell me where I can buy spacers, studs, and
> appropriate
> +> open-head lug nuts, I'll order them in a New York minute.
> +> Rich/old poop
> +>
> +> ***  Info:  http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm  ***
>
> I've been interested in this as well, but for an additionalt reason..  I
> bought a set of 1st gen VR4 wheels with awesome snows, but as many have
> attested (and I will too now..) they don't fit over 2nd gen calipers..
>
> all that would be necessary to clear is interestingly enough, about
> 1/4"..
>
> check this out:    http://www.nascarplace.com/hrspacers/itmidx23.htm
>
> 5mm, 15mm, and 25mm spacers..
>
> fyi, you can order the 15mm ones from Carparts.com, and if you can find
> a current coupon, they're about $80 shipped..  that's what I did, but now
> I'm trying to decide if that's just too wide..  unfortunately, the 5mm
> ones just won't quite do what I need..   I was hoping that the spacers
> would be a win-win in that I could use the other wheels, and also have
> better handling when I have the 18's on..
>
> anyone?
>
>
> Dave
> =======================
> = 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
> = 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
> = There is no spoon.. =
> =======================
>
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:17:21 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings

At 04:19 PM 1/31/01 -0600, Willis, Charles E. wrote:
>so how does this work?  do I have to remove the studs from the hub/bearing
>assembly on the front wheels to attach these things?
>
>At 04:19 PM 1/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>so how does this work?  do I have to remove the studs from the hub/bearing
>assembly on the front wheels to attach these things?

Yes, because you will be replacing the 10 stock studs with 15mm longer
studs. I've broken and replaced enough studs to know that it is not very
difficult if you have the proper tools.  I just let Denny's Mufflers do it
because they can do in 15 minutes what would take me hours.

Rich



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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:22:05 -0700
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: H&R wheel spacer kit  (was:  Re: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings)

yup.  have to remove the hub assembly to replace the studs.  I got all
the way to that point before I realized the nuts were seriously frozen
on.  there's no room to get a box end or socket on them in place, and
my craftsman openend wrench was actually spreading the "jaws" and
starting to round the nut.   unless someone knows of a trick..

that's why I'm posing the "too wide?" question before I take another
whack at it. 


Dave
=======================
= 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
= 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
= There is no spoon.. =
=======================

+> so how does this work?  do I have to remove the studs from the hub/bearing
+> assembly on the front wheels to attach these things?
+>
<snip>

+> > I've been interested in this as well, but for an additionalt reason..  I
+> > bought a set of 1st gen VR4 wheels with awesome snows, but as many have
+> > attested (and I will too now..) they don't fit over 2nd gen calipers..
+> >
+> > all that would be necessary to clear is interestingly enough, about
+> > 1/4"..
+> >
+> > check this out:    http://www.nascarplace.com/hrspacers/itmidx23.htm
+> >
+> > 5mm, 15mm, and 25mm spacers..
+> >
+> > fyi, you can order the 15mm ones from Carparts.com, and if you can find
+> > a current coupon, they're about $80 shipped..  that's what I did, but now
+> > I'm trying to decide if that's just too wide..  unfortunately, the 5mm
+> > ones just won't quite do what I need..   I was hoping that the spacers
+> > would be a win-win in that I could use the other wheels, and also have
+> > better handling when I have the 18's on..
+> >
+> > anyone?

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:30:12 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: H&R wheel spacer kit  (was:  Re: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings)

At 03:22 PM 1/31/01 -0700, Dave Monarchi wrote:
>
>
>yup.  have to remove the hub assembly to replace the studs.

Nah. Just pry it out a little, just enough for the stud to get in and out. 

Rich

 

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:44:58 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: H&R wheel spacer kit  (was:  Re: Team3S: Rear Camber Settings )

I JUST WENT THROUGH THIS REPLACING THE HUB/BEARING ASSEMBLIES ON MY '93!
FOOEY!  Why didn't I get some spacers before that?

Okay, here's the trick.  There IS room to get the box end wrench around the
nuts that hold the assembly on, but you may have to push on the green metal
bell shaped housing that protects the speed encoder ring on the axle to move
it a little inboard.  Then you have to WHALE AWAY on the wrench with a
mallet to get it to move.  Oh, yeah, penetrating oil or WD40 on the thing
helps.  That is supposed to be torqued at like 76 ft-lbs, but there is no
way.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Monarchi [SMTP:monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 4:22 PM
> To: Willis, Charles E.
> Cc: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: H&R wheel spacer kit  (was:  Re: Team3S: Rear Camber
> Settings)
>
>
>
> yup.  have to remove the hub assembly to replace the studs.  I got all
> the way to that point before I realized the nuts were seriously frozen
> on.  there's no room to get a box end or socket on them in place, and
> my craftsman openend wrench was actually spreading the "jaws" and
> starting to round the nut.   unless someone knows of a trick..
>
> that's why I'm posing the "too wide?" question before I take another
> whack at it. 
>
>
> Dave
> =======================
> = 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
> = 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
> = There is no spoon.. =
> =======================
>
> +> so how does this work?  do I have to remove the studs from the
> hub/bearing
> +> assembly on the front wheels to attach these things?
> +>
> <snip>
>
> +> > I've been interested in this as well, but for an additionalt reason..
> I
> +> > bought a set of 1st gen VR4 wheels with awesome snows, but as many
> have
> +> > attested (and I will too now..) they don't fit over 2nd gen
> calipers..
> +> >
> +> > all that would be necessary to clear is interestingly enough, about
> +> > 1/4"..
> +> >
> +> > check this out:    http://www.nascarplace.com/hrspacers/itmidx23.htm
> +> >
> +> > 5mm, 15mm, and 25mm spacers..
> +> >
> +> > fyi, you can order the 15mm ones from Carparts.com, and if you can
> find
> +> > a current coupon, they're about $80 shipped..  that's what I did, but
> now
> +> > I'm trying to decide if that's just too wide..  unfortunately, the
> 5mm
> +> > ones just won't quite do what I need..   I was hoping that the
> spacers
> +> > would be a win-win in that I could use the other wheels, and also
> have
> +> > better handling when I have the 18's on..
> +> >
> +> > anyone?

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:57:43 -0800
From: "ian sweeney" <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: funny ticking noise under hood

i initially thought it was something to do with turbo because its only
noticeable (loss in power) during the boost.  i can only hear the ticking
noise at idle. Not as load as tappets though. any ideas?

thanks
Ian


>From: Merlin916@aol.com
>To: sween3000gt@hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: Team3S: funny ticking noise under hood
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:47:06 EST
>
>    Sounds like it might be valve tap, but it would have to be pretty
>drastic
>to give you a noticeable loss in power.

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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 01:04:37 +0100
From: Syncom <syncom@mail.digitel2002.hu>
Subject: Team3S: Re: F**king car thieves

>
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:58:02 +0000
> From: Gordon Tyrrell <gordon.tyrrell@openet-int.com>
> Subject: Re: Team3S: F**king car thieves
>
> Miracle of miracles. My GTO has been found. It was bing readied for shipping
> across the water to the UK but they made the mistake of parking it up where
> it was visible and a squad car happened to be passing and remembered the
> detailed description I gave of it.
>
> Lesson learned to be VERY descriptive when reporting to the police.
>
> Damage done is:
> Drivers lock and handle gone
> Steering column cover and ignition etc gone
> Stereo gone (but not multi-changer under the floor in the boot/trunk)
> HKS EVC-IV gone but none of the cables for it (clever morons)
> Indicator stalk bent beyond repair
>
> I have £5,000 worth of claim credit without effecting my no-claims bonus so
> I'll get it all done properly but don't mind hitting the breakers yards for
> the plastics under the steering end of things and stuff.
>
> Thanks for all the support. My brain pulse has reduced considerably. Just
> need to keep the fingers crossed that the Girlfriends MX6 appears now. The
> police in the area weren't aware that 2 were stolen in the same visit so
> they have gone back to the are they found mine to check again.
>

Now that's what I call luck. I'm happy for you. Since car thefts are also
a danger in our country, I had a tracker system put into my '95 SL. It
cost about 1700-1800 USD but I can take it with me into any future car I buy,
and it's really amazing what it's capable of (detailed telemetry, etc.) You
might want to check out such a system, too. I can only heartily recommend.

Hope they'll also find the MX. In tonights news I heard police shot and killed
a car thief while he tried to escape in our country. Hell, I was happy.

Best wishes,
Zsolt Kovacs
Budapest, Hungary



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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:42:44 -0800
From: "ian sweeney" <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: funny ticking noise under hood

dont think its the computer, definetly coming from the engine
compartment..probably the head.  How accurate is the oil pressure gauge on
the dash? i am worried that oil pressure might be low so dont want to do any
long term damage. also i only bought the car recently so havent done oil
change. i cant really read the dipstick so i'd like to put some more oil in
to be sure. will i do damage if i add synthetic (Mobil 1) to mineral or are
all these motors running synthetic (92 TT)
thanks
Ian


>From: "noble" <nketo@sympatico.ca>
>To: "ian sweeney" <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: funny ticking noise under hood
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:00:00 -0800
>
>According to DSM's, which carry similar components, this could
>be the computer's capacitors giving out.
>Apparently, the clicking is the computer resetting itself and the fuel pump
>relay ultra fast.
>
>The sound is kinda noticeable around the centre console.
>
>Best,
>Noble
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: ian sweeney <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
>To: <Merlin916@aol.com>
>Cc: <team3s-digest@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 3:57 PM
>Subject: Re: Team3S: funny ticking noise under hood
>
>
> > i initially thought it was something to do with turbo because its only
> > noticeable (loss in power) during the boost.  i can only hear the
>ticking
> > noise at idle. Not as load as tappets though. any ideas?
> >
> > thanks
> > Ian
> >
> >
> > >From: Merlin916@aol.com
> > >To: sween3000gt@hotmail.com
> > >Subject: Re: Team3S: funny ticking noise under hood
> > >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:47:06 EST
> > >
> > >    Sounds like it might be valve tap, but it would have to be pretty
> > >drastic
> > >to give you a noticeable loss in power.
> >
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