team3s            Friday, January 26 2001            Volume 01 : Number 388




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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:58:43 -0500
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: parting out 92 stealth r/t tt

What are the details on this car?
Color, miles, condition, interior color, accident damage (?), etc.
Any performance mods?
Thanks!

Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:51:55 -0500
From: "ukyo@speedfactory.net" <ukyo@speedfactory.net>
Subject: Team3S: Engine rebuild or new short block?

OK, here's the deal on my VR4.  As a few of you may remember I
purchased a '94 VR4 in late December only to have it blow *both* head
gaskets on the drive home from the car lot (less than 2 hours in my
possesion).  The dealer took the car back in and had the head gaskets
repaired, put in a new thermostat, new plugs, and repaired an oil
leak in one of the turbos.  Total cost of repair:  $1,200 (all
covered by the limited warranty).  I picked the car up Tuesday of
this week.  I drove it home and it was stalling at red lights.  I
knew it was just the ECU trying to relearn the car so I didn't make a
big deal over it.  Once I got in the drive way I let it idle for
about 5 minutes and the car smoothed out.  After a brief pause we got
back in the car and drove it over to a friend's house so they could
check it out.  We all four piled in and went for a ride.  We didn't
really abuse the car (never got it above 80 or so with no hard
launches... just getting a feel for the car over all) but less than
30 minutes in to our joy ride there was an odd noise like a hose
popping off and then it sounded like a turbo spun down.  I thought we
may have somehow blown the Y pipe off even though we were not really
boosting at the time.  We pulled in to a gas station and checked it
out.  Everything looked OK so we cranked the car back up.  The noise
did not return so I got some gas and we started to head back to the
house.  Just a mile or so from the station the noise can back.  We
pulled off the side of the road with the car running and popped the
hood.  Deep down in the engine we could hear the truth.  Rod knock.
What else can go wrong with this car???

It cost me $85 to tow the thing to my friend's house then another $60
to tow it to Southlake Mitsubishi the next day.  So now I'm down $145
(I hope my insurance will get me some of that back) and the full tear
down on the engine to check out the damage is going to cost over
$300.  They already quoted me a price on a new short block after ~5
seconds of having it running at the dealer.  They asked me what
repairs the dealer had done to it and I relayed the history (blown
head gaskets due to overheat, dealer had gaskets replaced, etc).  The
Mitsubishi mechanic said that when the gaskets went that the heads
caused stress on the rods, crank, and bearings and that you could not
simply patch something like that with new head gaskets.

So now I am sitting here with a warranty that is about to reach it's
pay off cap and a car that is going to drive me to drinking (and I
just quit)...

Does anyone know where I can get a short block for under the $3,100
that the Mitsu dealer quoted me?  I will find out today what the
parts are that have to be repaired so I am hoping the crank will be
OK and all I will need is some bearings, a rod, and the misc. seals
and what not to ensure the engine will run for more than 2 hours this
time.  :(

I looked at the schematics for the engine.  What the heck is so
special about this 3.0L V6 that makes it cost 3X that of a small
block V8???

Just trying to take it all in stride...

- --Travis
'97 3000GT (Base + K&N FIPK sans Resonator Bottle / Red)

'94 3000GT VR4 (Stock with horrible rod knock / Green)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:07:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Aftermarket Y-Pipe..

Check with the Speed shops that specialize in our cars, like GT PRO
and AAM. I have links to their web sites on my Links and Garage pages
at my web site. I bought mine from GT-PRO. It is chromed but designed
specifically for their 2" IC pipes. It does not work with the stock
pipes.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

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From: <Peles3kgt@aol.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 11:50 AM
Subject: Team3S: Aftermarket Y-Pipe.......

If anyone out there has an upgraded y-pipe, whether its all chrome,
or whatever, could you please let me know where/how much you got it
for.  I'm in dire need of a new Y-pipe and can't seem to find an
upgraded one anywhere. 
TIA.

                                        Dave


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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:21:15 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@starband.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine rebuild or new short block?

I'm definitely not an engine expert, but I have seen claims of short blocks
for the $2000 range, maybe even new.

If I were you, i might take it up with the original dealer of the car.  What
are the possibilities of all this trouble with less than 3 hours worth of
driving on the car...  There ~HAD~ to be something wrong with it before...

What makes our engines so expensive is that they are manufactured to much
much higher tolerances than your basic american v-8...  ya figure an
american v-8 may be good for 100K miles...  the average import motor is
generally good for at least 200K, maybe 300K or more miles.... (obviously
not in your situation)  Regardless, the variances from one engine to
another, and one cylinder to another will be less on an import motor, rather
than a domestic engine...

- -Cody


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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:00:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine rebuild or new short block?

Hi Travis,

I have only very rarely ever heard of blown head gaskets on our cars.
I would guess this car saw some serious abuse or negligence before
you bought it. Check out my Garage and Links web pages. The "Engine"
section on the Links page lists several aftermarket sources for short
and long blocks. Also check out the discount Mitsu dealers I list.
The cheapest course of action will be to pull the engine yourself and
have the block rebuilt. $700 for crank, $700 for pistons, $200 for
gasket kit, $100 for bearings, $140 for tensioner and bolts, $200 for
the oil pump assembly, plus your machine shop bills, maybe a little
less than $3000 with sensors, etc. Or buy a used block/engine (maybe
cheaper in the short run). Add another $2000-$3000 or so for someone
to R&R the engine for you.

If you can afford it, this could be an opportunity for you .... to
build that killer engine. :)

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

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From: <ukyo@speedfactory.net>
To: <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:51 AM
Subject: Team3S: Engine rebuild or new short block?

<snip>

Does anyone know where I can get a short block for under the $3,100
that the Mitsu dealer quoted me?  I will find out today what the
parts are that have to be repaired so I am hoping the crank will be
OK and all I will need is some bearings, a rod, and the misc. seals
and what not to ensure the engine will run for more than 2 hours this
time.  :(

I looked at the schematics for the engine.  What the heck is so
special about this 3.0L V6 that makes it cost 3X that of a small
block V8???

Just trying to take it all in stride...

- --Travis
'97 3000GT (Base + K&N FIPK sans Resonator Bottle / Red)

'94 3000GT VR4 (Stock with horrible rod knock / Green)


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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:19:33 -0800
From: "Ricardo Cousar" <rcousar@datawest.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine rebuild or new short block?

Im sorry to hear about your problems with your new vehicle.  Just a  quick
question?  Did you check out your states lemon laws?

Also,  a blown head gasket Leads me to believe that the previous owner of
this vehicle was most likely using,  NOS.  Blown head gaskets are a common
problem when using, NOS. If this is the case you might be
able to get a lawyer to look into it.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
>To: team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
>Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:01 AM
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine rebuild or new short block?
>
>
>>Hi Travis,
>>
>>I have only very rarely ever heard of blown head gaskets on our cars.
>>I would guess this car saw some serious abuse or negligence before
>>you bought it. Check out my Garage and Links web pages. The "Engine"
>.htm  ***
>


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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:22:22 -0500
From: Nick Xiong <nxiong@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 60k tune-up question (sorry guys)

Rich, a correction is needed on your FAQ on the 60K service web page.
the part # for the end yoke holder is MB990676-01, not MD990676-01.  How
do I know?  I tried ordering the part today...  hey do I credit on the
web page for discovering this?   ;-)




On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:14:55 -0800 Rich <rleroy@pacifier.com> writes:
> Karl:
>
> I wrote the VFAQ, so I guess I'll stab at answering you first:
>
> Karl Siebert wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > 1.  Tools/    Do I NEED all three of these tools?  If so, what
> EXACTLY are
> > they used for?
> > -end yoke holder (MD990767-01),
>
> The end yoke holder tool is used for leverage when
> bolting/torqueing or unbolting the crankshaft pulley. 
> You need this tool.
>
> > -tensioner pulley socket wrench (MD998752-01),
>
> This wrench is ABSOLUTELY necessary for correctly torquing
> the tensioner pulley.  If you don't have this tool, don't
> bother doing the work yourself.  Incorrectly torquing this
> part may end up trashing your engine.
>
> > -this one was in the service manual, but I'm not sure what it is
> > (MD998767-01)?
>
> My manual is out on loan, so can't say what this tool is,
> but if you read the VFAQ thoroughly
> (http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/60k.htm), you'll see that
> I didn't use it.  Just the two special Mitsu tools with
> the usual assortment of box/open/socket wrenches.
> >
> > 2.  Parts/    are these parts correct?
> >
> > -timing belt
> > -water pump
> > -power steering belt
> > -A/C belt
> > -Tensioner('s) (is this a pullie, and are there two of them (upper
> and
> > lower), or just one?)
>
> Re-read the parts list (with part numbers) on the VFAQ
> page.  Your list here is missing the gaskets.  As for
> the tensioner, some folks have replaced it, others
> have not.  There is a highlighted note on the bottom
> of the VFAQ page that specifically addresses the
> replacement of the tensioner.  I personally did not
> replace the tensioner, and at 91k as of yesterday,
> (knock wood), it's working just fine.  It's a choice
> for you alone to make.
> 
> > Is there anything I'm missing, or anything that I'm going to buy
> that I
> > don't need?  Can you explain the tools to me?
>
> The tools are explained and illustrated with pictures
> in the VFAQ, including how to use them.
>
> Rich
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:11:11 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need advise on helmets

I got my Bell helmet from JAMN Motorsports (and balaklava and neck brace).
The balaklava is a good, cheap investment.  It's more important to DRY the
stuff throughly between uses than to CLEAN to prevent stink buildup.  I
clean mine also. A friend puts a UV bulb under the helmet to kill the
bacteria.

SIMPSON makes good helmets and neck support's too.   The neck brace is more
important for supporting the helmet to keep you neck muscles from getting
tired than preventing whiplash.

The only time I attach the face shield is when the sun is low and bright:  I
have Fog City tinting on it and use it for sun shade instead of sunglasses.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schilberg, Darren [SMTP:DSchilberg@freemarkets.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:02 AM
> To: 'Jim Berry'; Michael D. Crose; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Need advise on helmets
>
> I actually have the exact helmet you are looking for - Bell Sport II full
> face and I bought it from Helmet City, www.helmetcity.com, and they were
> most kind and even shipped the helmet one day early with no extra charge
> (I
> needed it that weekend for a track day).  As far as rating I agree that
> you
> should get the latest.  I have 95 which is standard for all schools I've
> seen so far.
>
> I love it and a bonus is the Band-Aid smell from the insulation and fire
> retardant stuff on the inside.  I actually don't mind this.  It is not a
> very helmet for track use (30 minutes on at a time or so) and provides
> about
> the most eyeport available except for the much more expensive M2 (or
> something like that).  I can even wear my sunglasses inside the helmet
> although it is a little tight on the temples but at least I can see.
>
> It has the shield closable all the way, popped open about half an inch,
> one-third and two-thirds open, then all the way open.  Vent holes don't
> seem
> to do much so I leave them in the open position all the time.
>
> Also look at a helmet bag and a balaclava.  Bag to keep it from getting
> scratched and the balaclava (which is NOT a pastry item) to keep your head
> sweat from smelling up the inside.  Next padding (full circle, horseshoe
> shape, etc.) might be good for longer events or better protection of the
> neck.  All these can be found at Summit Racing, Carparts, OG Racing, etc.
> and are located on Jeff Lucius' page of Links,
> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius.
>
> --Flash!
> dschilberg@freemarkets.com
> 1995 VR-4
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Berry [mailto:fastmax@home.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 21:21
> To: Michael D. Crose; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Need advise on helmets
>
>
> I've got a Simpson SA 95 which will probably be good for another 5+ years
> in open track events. Some of the organizations are starting to phase out
> the
> 90's. If I were buying new I'd go with the latest greatest. Porsche club
> is
> talking about phasing out the 95's --- I think they just want to keep out
> the
> riff raff.
>
> Short of Dale Ernhardt few folk wear the open face for racing --- better
> visibility is of course the best reason for a open face, but in a car
> there
> just ain't that much to see. Dale sez he can feel the air movement better
> and therefore kick ass better --- not issue with the way I drive.
>
>         Jim Berry      drive it like you stole it !!!
> ============================================
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D. Crose <ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
>
> > I need to get a helmet for driving schools but I don't no what is best.
>
> > Most of the helmets I am seeing are SA95 approved but SA2000 helmets are
>
> > starting to pop up more often, when do you all think that the SA95
> > requirement will be phased out?  I am looking at the Bell Sport II, the
> best
> > price I have found is $225 for the SA95 and $284 for the SA2000.  I know
> a
>
> > full face is much safer than a open face and I would defintely feel more
>
> > comfortable(safe) with a full face, but are there any reasons not to get
> a
>
> > full face?  What advise can you guys offer me?
>
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:47:27 -0500
From: "Michael D. Crose" <ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need advise on helmets

Thanks everyone for advice on the helmets.  I am going to get the Bell Sport
II.

Thanks again,
Michael
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:55:26 -0500
From: "Judson Smith" <jsmith@fmbs.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1995 Base 3000 GT

Dear Members,

I am a new member to this mailing list, and just purchased a 1995 Red 3000GT
BASE. It is a beautiful car, with 96K on it. My question is this...there is
no service records, or owners manual in the car, so I'm not sure if it had
it's 60K overhaul. What would be the easiest way for me to find this out?
Also, what would be a total cost estimate to bring this to my local
Mitsubishi dealer to have them do this overhaul (tune up) including timing
belt, and tensioner? Also, weird question....when playing the radio, the
bass will sometimes cut out. I can change to the CD player, and plenty of
base. While the radio was playing last night, after the bass cut out, I put
my blinker on, and the bass started!! It's a stock Infinity system.

Thanks, Judson Smith


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D. Crose <ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:47 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need advise on helmets


> Thanks everyone for advice on the helmets.  I am going to get the Bell
Sport
> II.
>
> Thanks again,
> Michael
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:43:39 -0700
From: Desert Fox <bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need advise on helmets

Good choice as the general consensus on Simpson helmets is that they are
less than stellar.

- --
Paul/.
95 black 3000GT VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit
formerly reasonable and prudent

on 1/25/01 14:47, Michael D. Crose at ncsu4me@hotmail.com scribbled:

> Thanks everyone for advice on the helmets.  I am going to get the Bell Sport
> II.


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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:02:07 -0500
From: "Michael D. Crose" <ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need advise on helmets

Randy's Racemart http://www.randys-racemart.com/bellhelmets.html  appears to
have the lowest price for the Bell Sport II.  Anyone know where to get one
cheaper?

Michael
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:14:10 -0800
From: "Browne, Troy E" <troy.e.browne@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Head gasket question

Dear Members,

I have just recently had a full engine rebuild done on my '96 VR-4
and had something happen which I've never heard of before.  When the
shop doing the rebuild completed the assembly and added coolant there
was a leak coming from the rear bank head gasket.  The owner told me
that he called the gasket company who told him that because our head
gaskets are stainless steel shim type gaskets they "can" leak until the
engine has been run for 15-20 minutes.  Apparently the theory is that
the engine heat activates the polymer on the gasket which in turn seals
the leak.  Well,  they ran the car and sure enough the leak stopped. 

Has anyone on this list ever heard of this before?  I intend to drive
aggressively and don't want to do another rebuild due to a faulty head
gasket seal which would not be covered by warranty.  The whole leaking
thing has me very nervous as I've never seen this before.

Thanks
Troy Browne
'96 VR-4 Spyder


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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:45:29 -0600
From: "Greg S." <wizards@mhtc.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1995 Base 3000 GT

Judson,

Congrats on the new purchase .... I hope you enjoy the style of a unique almost
one of a kind vehicle (not many of these 3S cars around anymore).  I don't have
the answers to all your questions, but I'll answer a few for ya ....

1.  Service records ... unless all service was done at a dealer or perhaps 1
specific garage or shop, you're going to have a very hard time getting copies of
the service records.  I'd ask the previous owner where he took the car for
service and then contact that shop and ask if they have a copy of the service
records for your car (by VIN).   It's worth a shot anyway.

2.  The Owners manual ... you should be able to get a copy of this from any
Mitsu dealer for 15 bucks or so.  Or you could always try E-bay as well.

3.  On the 60K service ... again if it was taken to a dealership they'll have a
record of it on their computer ... you probably just want to have them run your
VIN and that way you can check if there are any recalls that need to be done and
any repair or service work that a Mitsu dealer did on the car.  Otherwise ...
you'll have to contact the previous owner to find out where he took the car.

I'll leave the other questions to someone that owns a 3KGT Base.

Best,

Greg

Judson Smith wrote:

> Dear Members,
>
> I am a new member to this mailing list, and just purchased a 1995 Red 3000GT
> BASE. It is a beautiful car, with 96K on it. My question is this...there is
> no service records, or owners manual in the car, so I'm not sure if it had
> it's 60K overhaul. What would be the easiest way for me to find this out?

> Also, what would be a total cost estimate to bring this to my local
> Mitsubishi dealer to have them do this overhaul (tune up) including timing
> belt, and tensioner? Also, weird question....when playing the radio, the
> bass will sometimes cut out. I can change to the CD player, and plenty of
> base. While the radio was playing last night, after the bass cut out, I put
> my blinker on, and the bass started!! It's a stock Infinity system.
>
> Thanks, Judson Smith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D. Crose <ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
> To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:47 PM
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Need advise on helmets
>
> > Thanks everyone for advice on the helmets.  I am going to get the Bell
> Sport
> > II.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Michael
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:54:37 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Off topic: PRO rally  rules

I am trying to find out what the rules are regarding SCCA Divisional PRO
rallies; ie, what do I have to do to my stock 92 Eagle Talon AWD to run a
divisional PRO? Fire extinguishers, roll bar, PRO license, school?

The SCCA web site is useless -- all they want to do is sell me a set of
rules for $20. I ask what time it is and they want to tell me how to build
a clock.

Can anybody point me to a site that has basic rules on PRO rallies?

Rich
92 Eagle Talon TSi AWD/someday a rally car
94 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 AWD/almost a track car


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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:58:58 -0500
From: GREG RUSH <rush@siscom.net>
Subject: Team3S: egt

I am running 850-900 deg egt @ idle and 1400-1500 @ 0 boost in 4th gear
cruising at 70 mph this seems high. At boost it pegs the gauge. I have
an egt for both banks the back bank runs hotter. Should I check the
timming? This is a brand new motor with JE pistons that were coated by
HPC. I have 15h turbos gutted pre cat ATR down pipe no main cat and a
Borla exhaust.
 rushvr4


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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:13:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Off topic: PRO rally  rules

Dude..you shouldnt be considering SCCA action without a rulebook..its
_really_ usefull.

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Merritt wrote:

> I am trying to find out what the rules are regarding SCCA Divisional PRO
> rallies; ie, what do I have to do to my stock 92 Eagle Talon AWD to run a
> divisional PRO? Fire extinguishers, roll bar, PRO license, school?
>
> The SCCA web site is useless -- all they want to do is sell me a set of
> rules for $20. I ask what time it is and they want to tell me how to build
> a clock.
>
> Can anybody point me to a site that has basic rules on PRO rallies?
>
> Rich
> 92 Eagle Talon TSi AWD/someday a rally car
> 94 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 AWD/almost a track car
>
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:21:18 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Off topic: PRO rally  rules

At 07:13 PM 1/25/01 -0800, Geoff Mohler wrote:
>Dude..you shouldnt be considering SCCA action without a rulebook..its
>_really_ usefull.
>
I'd like somebody to tell me what the rules are in English first before
having to batter my way through a badly written rulebook filled with a
bunch of dreary details.

Surely, SOMEBODY can tell me: "Hey dude, if you are stock and running Group
XYZ, all you'll need are five-point harnesses, two fire extinguishers and
Snell 95 helmets." Or whatever. 
That lets me know what I need to get started.
If I decide to do it, then I'll get a rulebook to make sure I do it right.

Geez, all I want to do is run one 'lil ol' Divisional Pro to see if I can
still blast down a gravel road with gusto.
I don't want to install $10,000 worth of equipment if I don't gotta.

I don't see why this is so hard or so secret. Are they trying to keep
people away from PRO rallying? General info like this should be readily
available, not hidden away in a rulebook.

Rich

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:20:17 -0600
From: "Eric Cheek" <echeek@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 1995 Base 3000 GT

OK 60K dealership costs: (Since I just went to the dealership to inquire My
VR4 is about to hit 120K miles)

24.95 Oil Change
39.95 Rotate and Balance tires
67.95 Replace fuel filter
18.25 Replace air filter and Clean Throttle Body
474-495 Replace timing belts
33.95 Cooling System service
64.95 Transmission service and Inspection (Most models) --not sure if this
is just for auto T's
159.95+ ~10.00 Engine Perf service and Spark Plug replacement (Platinum
Plugs)
61.95 Clean fuel injectors
15.83 Replace PCV Valve
?? You should have them replace the water pump while they are replacing the
timing belts, since the same parts have to be removed to get to both.
~992.67 Grand Total

I just went to the local dealer and asked for a price sheet for the 60K
scheduled maintenance service. The have a pre-printed form with all the
recommended services and related costs.

Eric C. 92 VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Greg S.
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:45 PM
To: Judson Smith; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1995 Base 3000 GT


Judson,

Congrats on the new purchase .... I hope you enjoy the style of a unique
almost
one of a kind vehicle (not many of these 3S cars around anymore).  I don't
have
the answers to all your questions, but I'll answer a few for ya ....

1.  Service records ... unless all service was done at a dealer or perhaps 1
specific garage or shop, you're going to have a very hard time getting
copies of
the service records.  I'd ask the previous owner where he took the car for
service and then contact that shop and ask if they have a copy of the
service
records for your car (by VIN).   It's worth a shot anyway.

2.  The Owners manual ... you should be able to get a copy of this from any
Mitsu dealer for 15 bucks or so.  Or you could always try E-bay as well.

3.  On the 60K service ... again if it was taken to a dealership they'll
have a
record of it on their computer ... you probably just want to have them run
your
VIN and that way you can check if there are any recalls that need to be done
and
any repair or service work that a Mitsu dealer did on the car.  Otherwise
...
you'll have to contact the previous owner to find out where he took the car.

I'll leave the other questions to someone that owns a 3KGT Base.

Best,

Greg

Judson Smith wrote:

> Dear Members,
>
> I am a new member to this mailing list, and just purchased a 1995 Red
3000GT
> BASE. It is a beautiful car, with 96K on it. My question is this...there
is
> no service records, or owners manual in the car, so I'm not sure if it had
> it's 60K overhaul. What would be the easiest way for me to find this out?

> Also, what would be a total cost estimate to bring this to my local
> Mitsubishi dealer to have them do this overhaul (tune up) including timing
> belt, and tensioner? Also, weird question....when playing the radio, the
> bass will sometimes cut out. I can change to the CD player, and plenty of
> base. While the radio was playing last night, after the bass cut out, I
put
> my blinker on, and the bass started!! It's a stock Infinity system.
>
> Thanks, Judson Smith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D. Crose <ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
> To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:47 PM
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Need advise on helmets
>
> > Thanks everyone for advice on the helmets.  I am going to get the Bell
> Sport
> > II.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Michael
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:28:49 -0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: Team3S: 95-96 Black headlights

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I am looking for a set of 95-96 STEALTH headlights or BLACK 3000GT
headlights (both the left and right). These can not be the 94 version made
of glass but the 95+ version made with a plastic material of some sort.
Attached is a picture (sorry but I don't want any confusion about this and I
don't have a webpage).

I only need the plastic headlight "housing" that the bulbs go into and
attaches to the car. I repeat, I am NOT looking for bulbs. Please let me
know if anyone has them and are in excellent shape. No stress cracking or
moisture problems due to the fact my 94 already has this problem. Thanks.

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dschilberg@freemarkets.com
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:13:00 -0500
From: "Judson Smith" <jsmith@fmbs.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1995 Base 3000 GT

Eric- thanks for the reply...unfortuneatley I bought it from a dealer who
bought it at auction. It has a clean title, etc. Question, if I bring it to
a Mitsu dealer, if the 60K was done in say FL or CA, do you think they would
have it in their local system here in Maine? Just curious...thanks.

Jud
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Cheek <echeek@cox-internet.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:20 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: 1995 Base 3000 GT


> OK 60K dealership costs: (Since I just went to the dealership to inquire
My
> VR4 is about to hit 120K miles)
>
> 24.95 Oil Change
> 39.95 Rotate and Balance tires
> 67.95 Replace fuel filter
> 18.25 Replace air filter and Clean Throttle Body
> 474-495 Replace timing belts
> 33.95 Cooling System service
> 64.95 Transmission service and Inspection (Most models) --not sure if this
> is just for auto T's
> 159.95+ ~10.00 Engine Perf service and Spark Plug replacement (Platinum
> Plugs)
> 61.95 Clean fuel injectors
> 15.83 Replace PCV Valve
> ?? You should have them replace the water pump while they are replacing
the
> timing belts, since the same parts have to be removed to get to both.
> ~992.67 Grand Total
>
> I just went to the local dealer and asked for a price sheet for the 60K
> scheduled maintenance service. The have a pre-printed form with all the
> recommended services and related costs.
>
> Eric C. 92 VR4
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Greg S.
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:45 PM
> To: Judson Smith; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: 1995 Base 3000 GT
>
>
> Judson,
>
> Congrats on the new purchase .... I hope you enjoy the style of a unique
> almost
> one of a kind vehicle (not many of these 3S cars around anymore).  I don't
> have
> the answers to all your questions, but I'll answer a few for ya ....
>
> 1.  Service records ... unless all service was done at a dealer or perhaps
1
> specific garage or shop, you're going to have a very hard time getting
> copies of
> the service records.  I'd ask the previous owner where he took the car for
> service and then contact that shop and ask if they have a copy of the
> service
> records for your car (by VIN).   It's worth a shot anyway.
>
> 2.  The Owners manual ... you should be able to get a copy of this from
any
> Mitsu dealer for 15 bucks or so.  Or you could always try E-bay as well.
>
> 3.  On the 60K service ... again if it was taken to a dealership they'll
> have a
> record of it on their computer ... you probably just want to have them run
> your
> VIN and that way you can check if there are any recalls that need to be
done
> and
> any repair or service work that a Mitsu dealer did on the car.  Otherwise
> ...
> you'll have to contact the previous owner to find out where he took the
car.
>
> I'll leave the other questions to someone that owns a 3KGT Base.
>
> Best,
>
> Greg
>
> Judson Smith wrote:
>
> > Dear Members,
> >
> > I am a new member to this mailing list, and just purchased a 1995 Red
> 3000GT
> > BASE. It is a beautiful car, with 96K on it. My question is this...there
> is
> > no service records, or owners manual in the car, so I'm not sure if it
had
> > it's 60K overhaul. What would be the easiest way for me to find this
out?
>
> > Also, what would be a total cost estimate to bring this to my local
> > Mitsubishi dealer to have them do this overhaul (tune up) including
timing
> > belt, and tensioner? Also, weird question....when playing the radio, the
> > bass will sometimes cut out. I can change to the CD player, and plenty
of
> > base. While the radio was playing last night, after the bass cut out, I
> put
> > my blinker on, and the bass started!! It's a stock Infinity system.
> >
> > Thanks, Judson Smith
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael D. Crose <ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
> > To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:47 PM
> > Subject: RE: Team3S: Need advise on helmets
> >
> > > Thanks everyone for advice on the helmets.  I am going to get the Bell
> > Sport
> > > II.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > > Michael
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:31:23 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need advise on helmets

http://www.jamnmotorsports.com/

check with these guys.  They may have one on the shelf in your size that
they will sell at a discount.  else, they can get them from Bell.  I bought
mine from them.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael D. Crose [SMTP:ncsu4me@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:02 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Need advise on helmets
>
> Randy's Racemart http://www.randys-racemart.com/bellhelmets.html  appears
> to
> have the lowest price for the Bell Sport II.  Anyone know where to get one
>
> cheaper?
>
> Michael
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