team3s            Tuesday, January 9 2001            Volume 01 : Number 372




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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:53:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Injector Duty Cycle @ 100%!!!!

Hi Mihai,

I hope you mean the front exhaust manifold and not the front turbo
for the EGT pyrometer. :) Perhaps you can drop the downpipe (very
easy) and install a plate to partially block the exhaust pipe to
increase the pressure out the hole you plan on drilling?

An A/F meter just monitors the 02 sensor output voltages. It may or
may not condition the signal for display. The O2 sensor reports the
amount of oxygen in the exhaust gas stream in the form of an
electrical voltage that varies from about 0 to about 1.0 volt. Higher
voltage means less oxygen and a rich fuel mixture. The stock O2
sensors is very sensitive to "mixture values" between 14.5 and 14.9
(with 14.7 being ideal for emissions). Beyond those values (less than
14.7 is rich), it is far less sensitive.

Without a device such as the AFC, ARC2, or VPC, the A/F meter serves
as a passive warning or monitoring device. It can tell you if you are
going lean or not when you are on boost and showing a 100% IDC. It
should not be realied on as the only warning device though, as the
A/F can show rich yet knock can still be present.

Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mihai Raicu" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
To: "Stealth" <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Cc: <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>; <bdtrent@netzero.net>;
<jbasol@Carlson.com>; "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Injector Duty Cycle @ 100%!!!!


Jeff Lucius, Matt Jannusch, John Basol, Dave, Everyone,

Thanks for all your replies guys.

So the first thing I will try to do is finish the installation on the
EGT meter.  Currently the meter is on the A-pillar, with the wiring
pulled through the fire wall.  I just have to do the hard part now
and drill for the probe in front of the FRONT TURBO.  I may have to
pay a trusted mechanic for this (and sugest they leave the car on,
and use a magnet, and supervise...so that no metal shavings fall into
the turbo).

Next, I want to regap my plugs down to .34 inch.  I have not redone
my plugs yet.  I have a spare intake manifold gasket (if I'm using
the wrong term, I am reffering to the gasket that can get broken when
trying to regapp the rear plugs).  At the same time I will also look
at the plugs with a magnifying glass.

Last?  Whatis a A/F meter?  (Air/Fuel Meter, I'm sure.)  What is the
significance?  What good would an A/F meter be to me without a fuel
controller to adjust the curve up/down.  And then a good fuel
controller is expensive too.  So, how much is an A/F meter?  Do I
just plug it in the MAF sensor (by the K&N filter)?

Sorry about all the questions.  I'll see what I can find out about
the 100% IDC value.  It seems odd to me also if that would be really
100%.  Is there a different tool we can use to measure IDC, aside
from TMO.  Like, if I go to the MITSU dealer and pay a $70 check up
fee for them to check out my IDC under WOT.  Woud a Mitsu scanner be
more accurate.

Thanks a lot.

- -MIKE-          aa2345@wayne.edu
95 Red VR4
Apexi AVC-R Electronic Boost Controller
K&N FIPK, Boost Gauge, EGT Meter

Detroit Metro Area, Michigan

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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:11:48 -0800
From: "Dusan Simovic" <dusanboy@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: 3000GT VR4 Spyder

Hello everyone,
I am not sure if any of you will care, but  I wanted to let you know that
there is a red 3000GT VR4 Spyder for sale in a dealership near me. Car is in
excellent condition and the dealer is asking around $38k for it. If anyone
is interesting just let me know and I will give you their phone number and
addy. BTW I am near Philadelphia, PA.

Regards
Dusan



- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
To: <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Cc: "Mihai Raicu" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:53 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Injector Duty Cycle @ 100%!!!!


> Hi Mihai,
>
> I hope you mean the front exhaust manifold and not the front turbo
> for the EGT pyrometer. :) Perhaps you can drop the downpipe (very
> easy) and install a plate to partially block the exhaust pipe to
> increase the pressure out the hole you plan on drilling?
>
> An A/F meter just monitors the 02 sensor output voltages. It may or
> may not condition the signal for display. The O2 sensor reports the
> amount of oxygen in the exhaust gas stream in the form of an
> electrical voltage that varies from about 0 to about 1.0 volt. Higher
> voltage means less oxygen and a rich fuel mixture. The stock O2
> sensors is very sensitive to "mixture values" between 14.5 and 14.9
> (with 14.7 being ideal for emissions). Beyond those values (less than
> 14.7 is rich), it is far less sensitive.
>
> Without a device such as the AFC, ARC2, or VPC, the A/F meter serves
> as a passive warning or monitoring device. It can tell you if you are
> going lean or not when you are on boost and showing a 100% IDC. It
> should not be realied on as the only warning device though, as the
> A/F can show rich yet knock can still be present.
>
> Jeff Lucius, www.stealth316.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mihai Raicu" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
> To: "Stealth" <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
> Cc: <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>; <bdtrent@netzero.net>;
> <jbasol@Carlson.com>; "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:33 PM
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Injector Duty Cycle @ 100%!!!!
>
>
> Jeff Lucius, Matt Jannusch, John Basol, Dave, Everyone,
>
> Thanks for all your replies guys.
>
> So the first thing I will try to do is finish the installation on the
> EGT meter.  Currently the meter is on the A-pillar, with the wiring
> pulled through the fire wall.  I just have to do the hard part now
> and drill for the probe in front of the FRONT TURBO.  I may have to
> pay a trusted mechanic for this (and sugest they leave the car on,
> and use a magnet, and supervise...so that no metal shavings fall into
> the turbo).
>
> Next, I want to regap my plugs down to .34 inch.  I have not redone
> my plugs yet.  I have a spare intake manifold gasket (if I'm using
> the wrong term, I am reffering to the gasket that can get broken when
> trying to regapp the rear plugs).  At the same time I will also look
> at the plugs with a magnifying glass.
>
> Last?  Whatis a A/F meter?  (Air/Fuel Meter, I'm sure.)  What is the
> significance?  What good would an A/F meter be to me without a fuel
> controller to adjust the curve up/down.  And then a good fuel
> controller is expensive too.  So, how much is an A/F meter?  Do I
> just plug it in the MAF sensor (by the K&N filter)?
>
> Sorry about all the questions.  I'll see what I can find out about
> the 100% IDC value.  It seems odd to me also if that would be really
> 100%.  Is there a different tool we can use to measure IDC, aside
> from TMO.  Like, if I go to the MITSU dealer and pay a $70 check up
> fee for them to check out my IDC under WOT.  Woud a Mitsu scanner be
> more accurate.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> -MIKE-          aa2345@wayne.edu
> 95 Red VR4
> Apexi AVC-R Electronic Boost Controller
> K&N FIPK, Boost Gauge, EGT Meter
>
> Detroit Metro Area, Michigan
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:23:03 -0800
From: "Ryan Peterson" <ryanp@crcwnet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Replacing the front wheel bearings on the VR4

Sorry, but I don't believe it will be that easy, unless the VR4 is
significantly different than the SL. On my SL, you have to remove the entire
hub (or "knuckle") assembly and take it to a machine shop to have them press
out the old and press in a new bearing.

Ryan Peterson
www.crcwnet.com/~ryanp

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Willis, Charles E.
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 7:20 AM
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Replacing the front wheel bearings on the VR4


So now I have decided to replace the front wheel bearings on my '93 VR4
before retiring it from the track.  I have loosened the lug nuts, raised the
car, removed the wheels, removed the cotter pins, reinstalled the wheels,
lowered the car, chocked each front wheel, loosened the 32 mm (1 1/4") hub
nut, and stopped until next weekend.   Next, I'll raise the car, remove the
wheels, remove the calipers, remove the rotors, and disconnect the ABS
sensor and then ...

I expect to remove the hub nuts, pull of the end of the wheel with the lugs
in it, and the front wheel bearings are just going to come off easily into
my hands, right?

What problems should I expect to run into?  I bought a nice shiny new torque
wrench that will go up to 250 ft-lbs.

I decided not to replace the rear wheel bearings myself, because since they
have inner and outer bearings, and it looks a lot more complicated.

Chuck

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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 05:52:24 -0800
From: Richard <radanc@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Heat Shield under hood

I have replaced the thin metal one and the larger foil based one. The
heat generated and proximity of the engine parts to the hood make this
more important on our cars. The clips will usually disintegrate first so
you will need to get them with the shield since some came apart as I was
taking them off. Simple procedure, but the shields are a rip off from
the dealer. My larger shield was particulating everywhere as well.

Rich
92 Stealth TT

Geoff Mohler wrote:
>
> Depends what color you like the paint on the hood above the turbos.
>
> It -could- show signs of oxidation and cracking from the more intense
> direct radiated heat.
>
> I purchase perma-cool blanketing, and use the OEM supports to redo mine
> when one of the turbo cars needs it.
>
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, smii wrote:
>
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone on the list has removed the heat shield from
> > the under side of their hood.  Mine is starting to fall apart and I was
> > wondering if there are any major concerns or any reasons why I should
> > leave it on there.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Boris
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:00:09 -0800
From: "ian sweeney" <sween3000gt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Low volume Stereo system

Hi All,
apologies first if you've seen me post this issue already but i'm new and
havent been able to find any replies. I've just bought a 92 VR4 and the
volume level changes on the stereo intermittently like a loose connection.
When operating correctly all 6 speakers work and the sound is fine. when not
working only the rear speakers seem to work and not at full volume. I pulled
out the system (seperate radio and cd units) and fiddled with the
connections but the volume remains low. The wires look fine.  Is there a
seperate amp maybe that could be faulty? BTW volume is still low whether
radio or cd (havent tried tape). Also its not the mute button on all the
time! anyway it has me confused...any help appreciated..

ian
92 red vr4
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Date: 8 Jan 2001 21:10:02 -0800
From: kristie1@thesimpsons.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Experiencing a problem, need some help

I want to say thanks to everybody for all of your help. I got a diagnostic today (Houston) for 39.99. It was pretty cheap, well...it told me that it was my O2 sensor. Well, dont I have several? My car is a 93 stealth sohc. It didnt particularly tell me which one (if any more are applicable). But, wouldnt it be the one located on my exhaust pipe that runs by the firewall>? Also, does anyone know how to remove the stock radio? I havent tried to mess with it, just wanted to see if there was a "trick". Thanks again....
     Kristie


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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:28:03 -0800
From: "Nickolaos M. Sgouros" <atenag@coqui.net>
Subject: FW: Team3S: 3000GT VR4 Spyder

I have  never see that car. Here in Puerto Rico are  a lot of 3k's and
Stealth but not a Spider. Did  someone can provide a link to a www site so I
can look closer that magnificent piece of metal?

Nikos the Greek
92' RT TT
Puerto Rico

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]  On Behalf Of Dusan Simovic
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:12 PM
To: team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: 3000GT VR4 Spyder

Hello everyone,
I am not sure if any of you will care, but  I wanted to let you know that
there is a red 3000GT VR4 Spyder for sale in a dealership near me. Car is in
excellent condition and the dealer is asking around $38k for it. If anyone
is interesting just let me know and I will give you their phone number and
addy. BTW I am near Philadelphia, PA.
Regards
Dusan






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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:29:07 -0800
From: "Bart Kurek" <bart_kurek@eli.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3000GT VR4 Spyder

there's a few on 3kgt.com


- -Bart Kurek
Sales Engineer
Electric Lightwave Inc. (ELIX)
http://www.eli.net
mailto:bart.kurek@eli.net


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickolaos M. Sgouros" <atenag@coqui.net>
To: "Team3s" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:28 AM
Subject: FW: Team3S: 3000GT VR4 Spyder


> I have  never see that car. Here in Puerto Rico are  a lot of 3k's and
> Stealth but not a Spider. Did  someone can provide a link to a www site so
I
> can look closer that magnificent piece of metal?
>
> Nikos the Greek
> 92' RT TT
> Puerto Rico
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]  On Behalf Of Dusan Simovic
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:12 PM
> To: team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: 3000GT VR4 Spyder
>
> Hello everyone,
> I am not sure if any of you will care, but  I wanted to let you know that
> there is a red 3000GT VR4 Spyder for sale in a dealership near me. Car is
in
> excellent condition and the dealer is asking around $38k for it. If anyone
> is interesting just let me know and I will give you their phone number and
> addy. BTW I am near Philadelphia, PA.
> Regards
> Dusan
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:51:07 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3000GT VR4 Spyder

> I have  never see that car. Here in Puerto Rico are a lot
> of 3k's and Stealth but not a Spider. Did  someone can
> provide a link to a www site so I can look closer that
> magnificent piece of metal?

There are pictures of mine at http://www.mn3s.org under MN 3/S Members,
about halfway down the page.  You can click on the thumbnails to view larger
ones.  They aren't great pictures since the sun wasn't at a good angle, but
you can get the general idea.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:29:50 -0800
From: "Dr. John A. Tabler" <jtabler@summitmicro.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Low volume Stereo system

Ian,
The connectors on the back of the radios in early 90's 3000's were flaky.  You
can pull the female contacts out one at a time from the molex casing (there is a
tiny metal tab which must be pushed, this is visible through a small window in
the plastic) and bend the part that applies pressure on the male contact (the
ones in the radio).  Also, use an x-acto knife to scrape away the oxidation on
the
contacts.  This should help.

I did this once to fix speakers cut-out, and an antenna that went up and down
with every
bump in the road.  I also have a '92 VR4, so I suspect the problem is similar.

John

ian sweeney wrote:

> Hi All,
> apologies first if you've seen me post this issue already but i'm new and
> havent been able to find any replies. I've just bought a 92 VR4 and the
> volume level changes on the stereo intermittently like a loose connection.
> When operating correctly all 6 speakers work and the sound is fine. when not
> working only the rear speakers seem to work and not at full volume. I pulled
> out the system (seperate radio and cd units) and fiddled with the
> connections but the volume remains low. The wires look fine.  Is there a
> seperate amp maybe that could be faulty? BTW volume is still low whether
> radio or cd (havent tried tape). Also its not the mute button on all the
> time! anyway it has me confused...any help appreciated..
>
> ian
> 92 red vr4
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:37:42 +0000
From: Gordon Tyrrell <gordon.tyrrell@openet-int.com>
Subject: Team3S: Check Warning Light and Failed Active Aero

I never got to the bottom of my Check Engine light problem (coming on
with hard acceleration) but since my active aero blew up and I've pulled
the fuse it doesn't come on anymore.

Is it possible it was related to this?? I would have been hitting speeds
for the aero to activate when I was having the problem although never
thought of it as I would think there was a different light for problems
that weren't engine related.

Could this have been my problem???

Either way. Does anyone have the part numbers for the front section of
active aero as that's definitely where all the squeeling is coming from
so I guess the motor is shagged or something?

Thanks
Gordon
Dublin, Ireland

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:49:16 -0600
From: "Gabriel Estrada" <typhoonzz@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: Failed Active Aero

Along the same lines concerning the active Aero.  94 VR-4 the rear wing is
stuck in the up position.  Flip the switch and the front will operate as
normal, but the rear one just sits there.  No noise, no nothing.  Can't hear
the motor even try to operate.  Any suggestions on a fix?
Thanks in advance!

Gabriel Estrada
Internet Sales Director
McCarthy Automotive Group
Chevrolet, Oldsmobile, Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Hyundai
913-530-6730


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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:58:24 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Failed Active Aero

Yes, that's the way it fails.  This is the infamous "bad limit switches on
the spoiler motor" failure mode.  You have to replace the motor and it's not
cheap (like $200).  I recall something in the past about somebody trying to
fix the motor, but I don't remember anything positive about it.  I replaced
mine last year.  Bite the bullet.  You might find a working motor in a
wrecking yard, but they are probably going to want to sell you the complete
spoiler assembly.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gabriel Estrada [SMTP:typhoonzz@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:49 AM
> To: 3000gt
> Subject: Team3S: Failed Active Aero
>
> Along the same lines concerning the active Aero.  94 VR-4 the rear wing is
> stuck in the up position.  Flip the switch and the front will operate as
> normal, but the rear one just sits there.  No noise, no nothing.  Can't
> hear
> the motor even try to operate.  Any suggestions on a fix?
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Gabriel Estrada
> Internet Sales Director
> McCarthy Automotive Group
> Chevrolet, Oldsmobile, Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Hyundai
> 913-530-6730
>
>
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:24:33 +0000
From: Gordon Tyrrell <gordon.tyrrell@openet-int.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Failed Active Aero

Excellent. The bullet I will bite then.
Do you ahve a part number by any chance??

My car is a Japanese import and Mitsubishi in Ireland won't give me any help
because of that (great that).

Thanks
Gordon

"Willis, Charles E." wrote:

> Yes, that's the way it fails.  This is the infamous "bad limit switches on
> the spoiler motor" failure mode.  You have to replace the motor and it's not
> cheap (like $200).  I recall something in the past about somebody trying to
> fix the motor, but I don't remember anything positive about it.  I replaced
> mine last year.  Bite the bullet.  You might find a working motor in a
> wrecking yard, but they are probably going to want to sell you the complete
> spoiler assembly.
>
> Chuck


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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:32:48 -0600
From: "Gabriel Estrada" <typhoonzz@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Failed Active Aero

Thanks for the info.  Guess I'll have to go to the parts dept and get the
motor.  If you have the PN that would help so I don't have to wait for them
to look up the #.  Does anyone have a website up for the replacement
instructions???
Thanks again.

Gabriel Estrada
Internet Sales Director
McCarthy Automotive Group
Chevrolet, Oldsmobile, Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Hyundai
913-530-6730

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Gordon Tyrrell
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:25 PM
To: Willis, Charles E.; 3000gt
Subject: Re: Team3S: Failed Active Aero


Excellent. The bullet I will bite then.
Do you ahve a part number by any chance??

My car is a Japanese import and Mitsubishi in Ireland won't give me any help
because of that (great that).

Thanks
Gordon

"Willis, Charles E." wrote:

> Yes, that's the way it fails.  This is the infamous "bad limit switches on
> the spoiler motor" failure mode.  You have to replace the motor and it's
not
> cheap (like $200).  I recall something in the past about somebody trying
to
> fix the motor, but I don't remember anything positive about it.  I
replaced
> mine last year.  Bite the bullet.  You might find a working motor in a
> wrecking yard, but they are probably going to want to sell you the
complete
> spoiler assembly.
>
> Chuck


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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:47:29 -0700
From: Wayne <whietala@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Failed Active Aero

Usually when the rear wing sticks in the up position, all you need to do is
take the wing off the car and disassemble the motor and linkage, clean all
the old grease out and re-grease the area where the motor gear mates up to
the linkage teeth. Also, put some graphite lube on the sliders at the ends.
Once this is done, the wing should move freely again. No new parts are
req'd most of the time.

Wayne


At 10:49 AM 1/9/01 , Gabriel Estrada wrote:
>Along the same lines concerning the active Aero.  94 VR-4 the rear wing is
>stuck in the up position.  Flip the switch and the front will operate as
>normal, but the rear one just sits there.  No noise, no nothing.  Can't hear
>the motor even try to operate.  Any suggestions on a fix?
>Thanks in advance!
>


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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:47:27 -0800
From: "Geddes, Brian J" <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Failed Active Aero

I remember reading an FAQ/DIY guide on cleaning the Active Aero motor on one
of the 3kgt pages, but I don't remember exactly where.  Anyone know?

BTW, my Active Areo is twitchy at best...the wing raises about 25% of the
time.  Sometimes the little green light by the switch comes on but the wing
doesn't move (although I can hear the motor work for a second), and other
times nothing happens at all.  I'm guessing that cleaning out the motor may
help....anyone had this happen to them?

- - Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne [mailto:whietala@prodigy.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 10:47 AM
> To: 3000gt
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Failed Active Aero
>
>
> Usually when the rear wing sticks in the up position, all you
> need to do is
> take the wing off the car and disassemble the motor and
> linkage, clean all
> the old grease out and re-grease the area where the motor
> gear mates up to
> the linkage teeth. Also, put some graphite lube on the
> sliders at the ends.
> Once this is done, the wing should move freely again. No new
> parts are
> req'd most of the time.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> At 10:49 AM 1/9/01 , Gabriel Estrada wrote:
> >Along the same lines concerning the active Aero.  94 VR-4
> the rear wing is
> >stuck in the up position.  Flip the switch and the front
> will operate as
> >normal, but the rear one just sits there.  No noise, no
> nothing.  Can't hear
> >the motor even try to operate.  Any suggestions on a fix?
> >Thanks in advance!
> >
>
>
> ***  Info:  http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm  ***
>


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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:15:43 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Failed Active Aero

Hope that does the trick, but it didn't for mine.

Someone is welcome to try using my old spoiler motor!

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne [SMTP:whietala@prodigy.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:47 PM
> To: 3000gt
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Failed Active Aero
>
> Usually when the rear wing sticks in the up position, all you need to do
> is
> take the wing off the car and disassemble the motor and linkage, clean all
>
> the old grease out and re-grease the area where the motor gear mates up to
>
> the linkage teeth. Also, put some graphite lube on the sliders at the
> ends.
> Once this is done, the wing should move freely again. No new parts are
> req'd most of the time.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> At 10:49 AM 1/9/01 , Gabriel Estrada wrote:
> >Along the same lines concerning the active Aero.  94 VR-4 the rear wing
> is
> >stuck in the up position.  Flip the switch and the front will operate as
> >normal, but the rear one just sits there.  No noise, no nothing.  Can't
> hear
> >the motor even try to operate.  Any suggestions on a fix?
> >Thanks in advance!
> >
>
>
> ***  Info:  http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm  ***

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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:39:29 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Failed Active Aero

> Along the same lines concerning the active Aero.  94 VR-4 the rear wing is
> stuck in the up position.  Flip the switch and the front will operate as
> normal, but the rear one just sits there.  No noise, no nothing.  Can't hear
> the motor even try to operate.  Any suggestions on a fix?

You can try a simple disassemble, clean & lube, reassemble.  While apart, you
can check to see if the motor is dead.  See http://www.3si.org, Tech Tips,
Active Aero Repair, and John Adam's repair page
http://user.icx.net/~adams/f_01.htm#Repair for more info.

- --
If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now.

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics - Fusion Group, San Diego, CA

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:27:09 -0600
From: "john adams" <johnqadamsiii@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Failed Active Aero

Now I understand why an individual emailed me, not long ago, confusing me
with a seperate john: his last name is also adams. If it helps any, my
middle name
is quincy - hopefully his isn't!

later,
john 93 stealth es

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>

>
>You can try a simple disassemble, clean & lube, reassemble.  While apart,
you
>can check to see if the motor is dead.  See http://www.3si.org, Tech Tips,
>Active Aero Repair, and John Adam's repair page
>http://user.icx.net/~adams/f_01.htm#Repair for more info.
>
>--
>If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now.
>
>Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
>General Atomics - Fusion Group, San Diego, CA
>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:22:24 -0800
From: "Bart Kurek" <bart_kurek@eli.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Failed Active Aero

Like the president? Coincidence?

- -Bart Kurek
Sales Engineer
Electric Lightwave Inc. (ELIX)
http://www.eli.net
mailto:bart.kurek@eli.net


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "john adams" <johnqadamsiii@yahoo.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Cc: "3000gt" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Failed Active Aero


> Now I understand why an individual emailed me, not long ago, confusing me
> with a seperate john: his last name is also adams. If it helps any, my
> middle name
> is quincy - hopefully his isn't!
>
> later,
> john 93 stealth es
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
>
> >
> >You can try a simple disassemble, clean & lube, reassemble.  While apart,
> you
> >can check to see if the motor is dead.  See http://www.3si.org, Tech
Tips,
> >Active Aero Repair, and John Adam's repair page
> >http://user.icx.net/~adams/f_01.htm#Repair for more info.
> >
> >--
> >If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now.
> >
> >Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
> >General Atomics - Fusion Group, San Diego, CA
> >
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>
>
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:20:08 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Technical Information Manual

Jim Berry sez:>
>That would also explain the problems Merrit had when he broke a rotor, the
>ABS system released 65% or more of his stopping power when the broken
>rotor stopped turning ---- the remaining front would overheat and lose it's
>effectiveness in a second or two.

I'm not really sure what happened when the right front went "clang" and
broke a rotor, but it sure didn't stop for several hundred yards. It did
feel like I lost at least 65% of the stopping power, though. It happened at
120+ and it eventually stopped, but it took a long, long time. I broke two
right front rotors, both at Heartland Park. Thanks to having finished my
braking when the first rotor clanged and a very long runoff area when the
second rotor went, I got through both  incidents.
>
>P.S.  I started reading your doctorial thesis on the vcu ---- I haven't
gotten
>through the equations yet, at my age I get a headache when I think too long.
>I find it hard to believe I used to whip through that stuff ---- once in a
while I'll
>look through one of my old engineering texts and marvel at how smart I was.

Hear, hear.
I'll drink to that.
I can't believe I actually got through thermodynamics, dynamics and
strength of materials 35 years ago.

Rich/old poop/I wuz smart oncet. I cud evun spel enginere.>


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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:42:44 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Returning posts

I just got back from a long weekend in NYC, and am catching up on my e-mail
slowly but surely. If you sent me a personal post recently, I will answer
it within the next day or so.

Rich/old poop

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:29:38 -0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Failed Active Aero

Also, it stands to mention that resetting the computers by disconnecting the
neg. battery and reconnecting after a little while has worked for me.  My
rear spoiler would do that when I first bought the car and Mitsu told me the
front and back need to be in phase or either one will stop working and
suggested I fix it myself to save money.  I took apart the rear one and
reset it down, manually turned the front one all the way up with the knob
underneath and then tried it ---it did not work.  Then, I disc. the battery
and reconnected and it has worked ever since.

Sam
- -----Original Message-----
From: Wayne <whietala@prodigy.net>
To: 3000gt <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Failed Active Aero


>Usually when the rear wing sticks in the up position, all you need to do is
>take the wing off the car and disassemble the motor and linkage, clean all
>the old grease out and re-grease the area where the motor gear mates up to
>the linkage teeth. Also, put some graphite lube on the sliders at the ends.
>Once this is done, the wing should move freely again. No new parts are
>req'd most of the time.
>
>Wayne
>
>
>At 10:49 AM 1/9/01 , Gabriel Estrada wrote:
>>Along the same lines concerning the active Aero.  94 VR-4 the rear wing is
>>stuck in the up position.  Flip the switch and the front will operate as
>>normal, but the rear one just sits there.  No noise, no nothing.  Can't
hear
>>the motor even try to operate.  Any suggestions on a fix?
>>Thanks in advance!
>>
>
>
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