team3s          Wednesday, December 27 2000          Volume 01 : Number 361




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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:12:28 -0800
From: "Dusan Simovic" <dusanboy@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: transmission rebuild

Hello everyone,
I just got call back from AAMCO and they told me that my automatic
transmission will most likely need to be rebuilt. The price estimate they
gave me was around $2,000. Does this seem right? (BTW I have a base '92
Dodge Stealth)The reason I took it in was that my car whenever I would slow
down to 20mph my car would jerk, then again at 5mph. Do you guys have any
advice? Thanks in advance!

Best regards
Dusan


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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:51:54 EST
From: AABOMB1@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Re: White smoke 94 3000gt Base

>I remember a short time ago someone saying ther're 95 was giving off
>white smoke after idling for a little while yet when you drive it
>doesn't do anything unless it's been alowed to idle first. My friends 94
>is the same way so please let me know if you find anything! Thanks!

Doesn't coolant give off white smoke? It also kind of smells "sweet".

Your friend may have a blown head gasket if it's coolant burning.


'94 3000GT NA/DOHC

AA

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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:41:38 -0600
From: "Oskar" <osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Nippondenso injectors

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Gerl (RTEC)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>

>
> Are there ANY 720cc used in DSMs ??

Funny thing that it has escaped you that there are dozens of DSMs in the
9's, 10's and 11's.
(the fact that they need fuel to get there is likely obvious to you.)

Oskar
'95 R/T TT





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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:20:13 EST
From: Petrosvr4@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: transmission rebuild

The Mitsu dealer rebuild my transmission for $1700, it was covered under the
extended warranty. The local AAMCO shop quote me $1150, put i took it to the
dealer anyway.
petros

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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 07:37:49 -0800
From: "Sandie Morrison" <sandie@netst.com>
Subject: Team3S: Burning smell from my VR4

Over the last couple of weeks I've noticed a burning smell coming from my
VR4 after I drive it. I've been careful to keep an eye on the Oil and
Radiator fluid, and they both appear to be fine. A friend of mine thinks it
may be a small oil leak somewhere that is dripping on something hot. I'll
get the burning smell even when I'm careful not to use the turbos. Any
ideas?

- -MM


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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:02:49 -0600
From: "Walton C. Gibson" <kalla@tripoint.org>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Burning smell from my VR4

> Radiator fluid, and they both appear to be fine. A friend of mine thinks it
> may be a small oil leak somewhere that is dripping on something hot. I'll

When changing my oil once, I spilled a fair amount of the new oil
on the front turbo heat shield as I was pouring it. I wiped up most of
it, but the car smelled faintly of burning oil for a about a week. Did
you do the same thing?


Walton C. Gibson
kalla@tripoint.org

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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:15:16 -0600
From: "Oskar" <osk@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Nippondenso injectors

Roger, I fear that it is futile to get into a discussion with you on this
subject, but...

I don't understand your reasoning.  For some reason you questioned the use
of 720cc injectors in the DSMs.  My response, obviously to the list as your
statement went to the list, suggested that 720cc injectors could conceivably
be used in a DSM.  Now you're complicating matters a great deal by pointing
out the obvious fact that larger injector are also used by some.  I think
this is irrelevant to this topic.

Let's bring this thread back on track.  720cc injectors are used in the DSM
application.  Noble asked this simple question: "Does anyone know if the
Nippondenso 720's used for our cars is the EXACT same ones used in the
DSM's?"
I'm not in a position to answer this.  It appears that you don't know
either.  Maybe someone else will step forward as long as this thread is not
distorted.

I'm bringing this discussion back to the list as I think it belongs there.
As for your comment about list etiquette - I think you will do the list a
favor by not challenging every statement made, but rather hold your breath
when you're not able to offer answers to the questions asked on this list.

Best Regards and Happy Holidays to all!
Oskar
'95 R/T TT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Gerl (RTEC)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
To: "Oskar" <osk@mediaone.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Nippondenso injectors


> > Funny thing that it has escaped you that there are dozens of DSMs in the
> > 9's, 10's and 11's.
> > (the fact that they need fuel to get there is likely obvious to you.)
>
> They often use larger, 840cc Bosch, 860cc Denso ... up to 1040cc from RC.
> Now calculate the possible power off 4 720cc and you will see that it is
not
> enough to get into the 10s. Also you will find a highly increased fuel
> pressure in these cars that run the injectors far out of their patterns
but
> will then provide the appropriate fuel.
>
> In general, such comments should be made privately and NOT to the list.
>
> Cheers
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
>


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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:25:50 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: Nippondenso injectors

> Let's bring this thread back on track.  720cc injectors are
> used in the DSM application.  Noble asked this simple
> question: "Does anyone know if the Nippondenso 720's used
> for our cars is the EXACT same ones used in the DSM's?"

The 720's used on DSM cars should be the same ones we are using on 3/S cars.
The 550's used on both as upgrades are the same, so theoretically (since I
haven't done the 720's on either my DSM or my 3/S, only 550's) they should
fit.  Electrically they are compatible for sure.  The physical fit would be
the only variable, but I can tell you that the fuel rails on DSM and 3/S are
nearly identical in design and that the stock DSM injectors also fit on 3/S
without modification.  Anything that fits the DSM stock fuel rails should*
also fit the 3/S stock fuel rails.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 08:42:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Burning smell from my VR4

Oil cap probly leaking just a hair, and it falls onto the front exhaust
manifold.

Mitsu oil caps _suck_.

On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Sandie Morrison wrote:

> Over the last couple of weeks I've noticed a burning smell coming from my
> VR4 after I drive it. I've been careful to keep an eye on the Oil and
> Radiator fluid, and they both appear to be fine. A friend of mine thinks it
> may be a small oil leak somewhere that is dripping on something hot. I'll
> get the burning smell even when I'm careful not to use the turbos. Any
> ideas?
>
> -MM
>
>
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 08:44:40 -0800
From: "Sandie Morrison" <sandie@netst.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Burning smell from my VR4

I'll check into that and the oil cap idea. Thanks!
- -MM

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Walton C. Gibson
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 8:03 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Burning smell from my VR4


> Radiator fluid, and they both appear to be fine. A friend of mine thinks
it
> may be a small oil leak somewhere that is dripping on something hot. I'll

When changing my oil once, I spilled a fair amount of the new oil
on the front turbo heat shield as I was pouring it. I wiped up most of
it, but the car smelled faintly of burning oil for a about a week. Did
you do the same thing?


Walton C. Gibson
kalla@tripoint.org

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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:17:33 -0800 (PST)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Burning smell from my VR4

I have a no-leak-tight aftermarket oil cap, and I know
for certain that it doesn't leak.  I have the burned
oil smell too.  My shop said I need a oil catch can..
anyone have an idea what oil leak is the catch can
suppose to catch? and from where??

Thanks,
George

- --- Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com> wrote:
> Oil cap probly leaking just a hair, and it falls
> onto the front exhaust
> manifold.
>
> Mitsu oil caps _suck_.
>
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Sandie Morrison wrote:
>
> > Over the last couple of weeks I've noticed a
> burning smell coming from my
> > VR4 after I drive it. I've been careful to keep an
> eye on the Oil and
> > Radiator fluid, and they both appear to be fine. A
> friend of mine thinks it
> > may be a small oil leak somewhere that is dripping
> on something hot. I'll
> > get the burning smell even when I'm careful not to
> use the turbos. Any
> > ideas?
> >
> > -MM
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:45:04 -0800
From: "Sandie Morrison" <sandie@netst.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Burning smell from my VR4

Hmm, hard to describe. If you have the Windows Olfactory Player installed, I
can email you a sample... ;)

I would say that the smell is very bad. Almost like burned rubber.

- -MM

- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg S. [mailto:wizards@mhtc.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 9:19 AM
To: sandie@netst.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Burning smell from my VR4


What does it smell like?   That can make all the difference in the world to
getting to the right answer.

Greg



Sandie Morrison wrote:

> Over the last couple of weeks I've noticed a burning smell coming from my
> VR4 after I drive it. I've been careful to keep an eye on the Oil and
> Radiator fluid, and they both appear to be fine. A friend of mine thinks
it
> may be a small oil leak somewhere that is dripping on something hot. I'll
> get the burning smell even when I'm careful not to use the turbos. Any
> ideas?
>
> -MM
>
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:04:06 -0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Burning smell from my VR4

If it smells like burned rubber, look for burned rubber.  Try looking at the
REAR turbo.  There are a lot of hoses that run along the firewall there and
can get loose and touch the turbo heat shield.  You can also look for
discoloration (more than usual) on the turbo heat shields as a clue to what
is stinking up the works.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandie Morrison [SMTP:sandie@netst.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 11:45 AM
> To: Greg S.
> Cc: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Burning smell from my VR4
>
> Hmm, hard to describe. If you have the Windows Olfactory Player installed,
> I
> can email you a sample... ;)
>
> I would say that the smell is very bad. Almost like burned rubber.
>
> -MM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg S. [mailto:wizards@mhtc.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 9:19 AM
> To: sandie@netst.com
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Burning smell from my VR4
>
>
> What does it smell like?   That can make all the difference in the world
> to
> getting to the right answer.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Sandie Morrison wrote:
>
> > Over the last couple of weeks I've noticed a burning smell coming from
> my
> > VR4 after I drive it. I've been careful to keep an eye on the Oil and
> > Radiator fluid, and they both appear to be fine. A friend of mine thinks
> it
> > may be a small oil leak somewhere that is dripping on something hot.
> I'll
> > get the burning smell even when I'm careful not to use the turbos. Any
> > ideas?
> >
> > -MM
> >
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:04:37 -0700
From: Desert Fox <bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Team3S: Fluids and rubber

Seeing as how the temperature here in Montana is usually pretty low, I think
that the 0W-30 should work pretty well. However, I'm no petroleum  engineer
and will at least work my way back up to 10W-30 for the summer months. It
sure starts nice and easy...

Yeah, that door sticker is very confusing. I've got the factory 18" wheels.

I have no idea what the previous owner was thinking with the 265/35ZR18 on
the rear. They probably weren't thinking... Anyway, in Denver, I got the
only tires I could find that would fit the rims, trading in the 2 265 tires
for 4 same sized new ones. They are 225/40ZR18. They are about .5 inch
narrower than the 245. My snow tires haven't shown up yet, which are to be
245/40ZR17 Pirelli Snow 210 on Mille Spider rims.

Thanks to everybody for their input on tires and power steering fluid.

How difficult is changing the transaxle, transfer case, and differential
fluids? I have the synthetic 75W-90 ready to go.

My glovebox is stuck shut. The lock is broken so that the key will turn it
either to the vertical or horizontal position; pressing the buttons together
does nothing. Any advice before I take the drill or slide hammer to the
lock?

I'm missing the 6 pack CD cassette for the changer. Anybody know what brand
the stock CD changer is? Pioneer is my first guess but it is only a guess...

I'm letting the engine idle for 60 seconds or so when I get where I'm going
to let the turbos cool down. I haven't been downshifting using engine
braking. Any other tid bits I might follow to help prolong the life of this
car?

- --
Paul/.
95 black VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit
formerly reasonable and prudent


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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:23:07 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fluids and rubber

> How difficult is changing the transaxle, transfer case, and
> differential fluids? I have the synthetic 75W-90 ready to go.

Pretty easy, but you'll want to have some sort of little fluid pump or at a
minimum a long hose on a funnel to fill the cases.  Make sure you use a GL-4
rated fluid in the transfer case.  If you bought Mobil-One synthetic, don't
use it - it will eat the coating off the synchro rings in the transmission.

I personally use BG Synchroshift in the transaxle, Redline Shockproof Heavy
in the transfer case, and the factory gear lube in the rear diff.

> My glovebox is stuck shut. The lock is broken so that the key
> will turn it either to the vertical or horizontal position;
> pressing the buttons together does nothing. Any advice
> before I take the drill or slide hammer to the lock?

I forget who had this problem, but there was some talk about it maybe a
couple months ago.  Check out the archives and see what you find in there...
There were a couple approaches to getting the door open.

> I'm missing the 6 pack CD cassette for the changer. Anybody
> know what brand the stock CD changer is? Pioneer is my
> first guess but it is only a guess...

Pioneer 6-disc cartridges work fine.  The ones where you load them with the
disc label upside-down.  I don't know if Pioneer still uses that style
cartridge.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:37:14 -0600
From: "Walton C. Gibson" <kalla@tripoint.org>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fluids and rubber

> I'm missing the 6 pack CD cassette for the changer. Anybody know what brand
> the stock CD changer is? Pioneer is my first guess but it is only a guess...

Pioneer cartridges. Best Buy sells them I know, since I went there
and bought three or four more of them. I even saw one package
where you buy three and get a red, blue and green colored one.
Kind of a change from the black.



 

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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:52:04 -0700
From: Desert Fox <bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fluids and rubber

Do we know what model this Pioneer CD changer is?

Colored ones sound great!

- --
Paul/.
95 black VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit
formerly reasonable and prudent

on 12/27/00 11:37, Walton C. Gibson at kalla@tripoint.org scribbled:

>> I'm missing the 6 pack CD cassette for the changer. Anybody know what brand
>> the stock CD changer is? Pioneer is my first guess but it is only a guess...
>
> Pioneer cartridges. Best Buy sells them I know, since I went there
> and bought three or four more of them. I even saw one package
> where you buy three and get a red, blue and green colored one.
> Kind of a change from the black.


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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:57:31 -0700
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fluids and rubber

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+> My glovebox is stuck shut. The lock is broken so that the key will turn it
+> either to the vertical or horizontal position; pressing the buttons together
+> does nothing. Any advice before I take the drill or slide hammer to the
+> lock?

this happened to me a couple monthes ago.  you have two choices: 

carefully pry the top edge of the glovebox door open about an inch, and
use a hacksaw to cut the U-latch.  have to cut both posts.  I used a
"sharp" flat-blade screwdriver as a chisel to break them apart, but I'd
definately try the hacksaw method if it happened again.

the other choice is to drill, pull, or in some manner destroy the lock
cylinder.  the problem with this, is it won't release the latch unless
you can actually see the connecting rod and somehow manipulate it to
pop the mechanism. 

don't waste your time trying to "jimmy" the latch.  the mechanism is well
covered. 

I can send you pictures if you'd like to see the guts of it.  (the manual
doesn't show it very well.)


+>
+> I'm missing the 6 pack CD cassette for the changer. Anybody know what brand
+> the stock CD changer is? Pioneer is my first guess but it is only a guess...

Pioneer it is, but there are a number of styles.  I'm pretty sure Best Buy
has the correct ones.

+> I'm letting the engine idle for 60 seconds or so when I get where I'm going
+> to let the turbos cool down. I haven't been downshifting using engine
+> braking. Any other tid bits I might follow to help prolong the life of this
+> car?

yeah, ride the 2 wheeler more often..  ;)   I'm jealous.. 

I've owned 6 earlier VFRs, but I've been wanting a FI VFR ever since they
came out.. 

+> Paul/.
+> 95 black VR-4
+> 98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit
+> formerly reasonable and prudent

as cartman would say,  swwweeeeeet .  :)


Dave
=======================
= 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
= 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
= There is no spoon.. =
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:10:30 -0700
From: Desert Fox <bigfoot@simmgene.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fluids and rubber

I suppose hacksaw will be the method of choice. Darn, as I really wanted to
use the slide hammer!;-)

If you have the images handy Dave, I'll certainly be most grateful to
examine them. Any idea of what the replacement parts cost?

LOL RE: advice to ride 2 wheeler more often!!! I'd love to but the studded
snow tires I ordered for the VFR have never arrived.;-)

Having the VFR and the VR-4 both in the garage is a real treat. The trick
will be affording all the toys! I can highly recommend the VFR800. I too
owned various other VFRs but this one takes the cake.

Thanks to all for the valuable input! Having this car and not having this
list to lean on would be a real nightmare...

- --
Paul/.
95 black VR-4
98 VFR800F, TBR aluminum hi exit
formerly reasonable and prudent

on 12/27/00 11:57, Dave Monarchi at monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU scribbled:

> +> braking. Any other tid bits I might follow to help prolong the life of this
> +> car?
>
> yeah, ride the 2 wheeler more often..  ;)   I'm jealous..
>
> I've owned 6 earlier VFRs, but I've been wanting a FI VFR ever since they
> came out.. 


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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:33:09 -0700
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fluids and rubber

- --------

+> I suppose hacksaw will be the method of choice. Darn, as I really wanted to
+> use the slide hammer!;-)
+>
+> If you have the images handy Dave, I'll certainly be most grateful to
+> examine them. Any idea of what the replacement parts cost?

I can't remember if I actually took pics when I took it out, but *sigh*
it's _still_ out so I can easily take a few with the digital and send
them to you.  I'll check when I get home tonight.

I think the latch is about $5-6 and the lock is $35-40.  check the
dealerships that give us discounts, and it might be less.  btw, another
reason to not drill out the lock, is you can swap the lock cylinder
to the new mechanism so you won't have an additional key to deal with.
the piece that breaks is this stupid little plastic tab on a ring
around the cylinder.  the rest of the mechanism is probably fine.

good luck!


Dave
=======================
= 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
= 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
= There is no spoon.. =
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:38:09 -0700
From: "uswest" <mprasad01@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: Need suggestions on Boost controller

I am thinking about getting a boost controller.  I currently have a K&N FIPK
filter and HKS Turbo catback exhaust.  The next step would be a
boost controller.

I just put a new short block and can not effort to put another one in if  I
overboost.

How safe are these boost controllers? How easy are they to install and
program? Would I need a BOV before installing the boost controller? Would I
need a new Y pipe or the stock Y pipe will do? My plans are not to race this
car but have enough power just incase it is ever needed.

I have been looking at these two controllers:

HKS EVC EC Electronic Valve Boost Controller.
Apexi AVC-R Turbo Boost Controller.

Please provide opinions, preference.

Rgds
Moe



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