team3s
Tuesday, December 12
2000 Volume 01 :
Number
349
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Date:
Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:08:59 -0500
From: "Roger J. Roskam" <
roger.roskam@home.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 18" Rims
> Guess you need to check your facts out a little
harder. 95-96 they had 18"
> wheels that were "Stealth specific" as an
$4612 option...looky here:
>
Do you mean that they were that much
on the original window sticker? In
other words, if you upgraded from
17" to 18" wheels & tires, you had to pay
$1154 MORE per wheel? It
would have been cheaper to stick with the
*standard* 17" wheels &
tires, then go buy yourself another whole set of
18" wheels & tires for
less than $4612! Then you would have 2 complete sets
of wheels for less
money than the one set that were an option. That just
doesn't make
sense.
Roger Roskam
'91 Indy Stealth RT/TT
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:37:50
-0800
From: "Chris Maxwell" <
shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S:
New problem...anyone?
Okay, well it only seems right that a new problem
would develop the day
after I fix a 1/4" hole in one of my
intercoolers. Here's the deal. The
car starts up fine when the
engine is cold (like in the morning), but when I
start up the engine when
it's already warm(like getting back in my car after
some Johnny Rockets), it
idles at around 400rpm and will stall if I don't
gas it a little. It
will settle down after about 2 minutes, but feels a
little sluggish after
that. I don't seem to feel the sluggishness when it
starts from a cold
state(after it heats up of course).
Assuming that the engine isn't
sluggish after it settles down, what might
the problem be, since I can't
really prove that the car is sluggish.
Assuming that the engine is a little
sluggish after it settles down, what
might the problem be?
This one
really has me perplexed....
Thanks,
Chris
92 R/T
TT
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:19:00
-0500
From: "Roger J. Roskam" <
roger.roskam@home.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Transfer Case recall
> Subject: Team3S: Transfer Case
recall
> I ran across this link while looking for parts.
Hopefully it might help a
> few people out. I just love stuff in
writing.
>
>
http://www.consumerreports.org/Recalls/Reports/all/DodgeStealthRTTurboandMitsubishi3000GTVR-491.html
>
OK,
my car was made during this time period (4/90 to 4/91). Has anyone
else
ever had their transfer case replaced under this recall?
For
reference, my car is a 91 Stealth RT/TT Indy Pace Car replica, and has
83k
miles. I have replaced the clutch, but the manual transmission
and
transfer case have not been touched since I bought the car at 36k
miles,
(and I don't think prior to that, either). It runs and shifts
quite well,
with an occasional grind from 1st to 2nd. It has a bleeder
valve and boost
gauge, nothing more.
Roger Roskam
'91 Indy Stealth
RT/TT
*** Info:
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:55:17
-0800
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Open-Track day @Buttonwillow..read..
Geoff
I'll be there if I have
to take my wifes Intrepid ---- I have tears in my eyes
as I speak because I
missed Laguna Seca this weekend :-( sniff sniff.
It would be
great to get a batch of folk ---- the race group should have run
out of
excuses by now !!!!!!!! Ken, Hoser, George, Kurt ----
anybody
Jim
berry
Buttonwillow
2-10-01
===================================================
- -----
Original Message -----
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
> Again I will be planning in visiting Buttonwillow raceway for
an
> open-track event.
>
> I DID meet a few of you at the
last event (this is BCCd to other lists
> too) and hope to see you again
and others.
>
>
http://www.open-track.com/ot_general/ot_schedule.html
is where you look
> these fun events up in Southern
Cali.
*** Info:
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:59:00
-0600
From: "Trevor L. James" <
trevor@kscable.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 18" Rims
It was part of an option package:
- -ABS
-
-Alarm
- -Infinity Stereo with 6 Disc changer
- -Leather
- -10 Way
drivers seat
- -18" Chrome wheels
- -Sunroof
Trev
"Roger J.
Roskam" wrote:
> > Guess you need to check your facts out a little
harder. 95-96 they had 18"
> > wheels that were "Stealth specific" as
an $4612 option...looky here:
> >
>
> Do you mean that they
were that much on the original window sticker? In
> other words, if
you upgraded from 17" to 18" wheels & tires, you had to pay
> $1154
MORE per wheel? It would have been cheaper to stick with the
>
*standard* 17" wheels & tires, then go buy yourself another whole set
of
> 18" wheels & tires for less than $4612! Then you would have
2 complete sets
> of wheels for less money than the one set that were an
option. That just
> doesn't make sense.
>
> Roger
Roskam
> '91 Indy Stealth RT/TT
>
> *** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:41:02
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 15G turbos update (pump flow)
I wont have 1000Hp, but I dont
wish to use anythng past 80% of its total
capacity in our design.
On
Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Jeff Lucius wrote:
> Roger is correct. For an idea
of what an average fuel pump might flow
> at different pressures check out
the chart on my fuel pump upgrade
> web page.
>
>
http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius2/j2-2-fuelpumpguide.htm>
> And as Roger stated, every pump is different but ALL pumps will
flow
> less at high boost (high fuel line pressure) than at low boost
(low
> fuel line pressure). Corky Bell's (Maximum Boost) field data
suggests
> that the typical pump will flow at 59% of the rated (43 psi)
value at
> 20 psi boost and only 52% at 25 psi boost. And if someone is
looking
> for 1000 HP out of our 3L engine I'm guessing you'll be at 30
psi
> boost or more. You guys better have some huge fuel pumps. Not
to
> mention turbos capable of over 3.1 pressure ratios. (I'd like
some
> these myself.)
>
> Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com>
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Gerl (RTEC)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
> To:
<
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: 15G turbos
update (pump flow)
>
> > The HKS pump is rated at 390 lph [
about 100 Gal/hr ] and should
> easly support
> > 1000 hp ----
all I lack are the turbos, injectors,IC, engine
> internals
etc.etc.
>
> Jim, on what fuel pressure does this pump flow 100
gal/hr ? This is
> only wishful thinking as at 20psi boost, the fuel
pressure is at
> about 63psi and therefore the pump has to be able to push
against it.
> With such a high power pump you may still not see more than
70 gal/h
> at this pressure what results in about possible 766hp on our
engine !
>
> Every pump has its own pressure/flow curve and this is
why it is
> important on high pressure applications.
>
>
Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
www.rtec.ch>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:04:50
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Open-Track day @Buttonwillow..read..
Cooool.
Bob
Forrest..he has to go. Or give up the mailing list..I mean..how do
we
know Bob even has a 3000GT! *gasp!!*
*heh*
On Mon, 11
Dec 2000, Jim Berry wrote:
> Geoff
>
> I'll be there if I
have to take my wifes Intrepid ---- I have tears in my eyes
> as I speak
because I missed Laguna Seca this weekend :-( sniff sniff.
>
> It would be great to get a batch of folk ---- the race group should
have run
> out of excuses by now !!!!!!!! Ken, Hoser, George, Kurt
---- anybody
>
>
Jim
berry
Buttonwillow 2-10-01
>
===================================================
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>
To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
> >
> > Again I will be planning in visiting Buttonwillow
raceway for an
> > open-track event.
> >
> > I DID
meet a few of you at the last event (this is BCCd to other lists
> >
too) and hope to see you again and others.
> >
> >
http://www.open-track.com/ot_general/ot_schedule.html
is where you look
> > these fun events up in Southern Cali.
>
>
>
*** Info:
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:11:06
-0800
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S:
trick heads
I'm buying a set of used heads to trick out at leisure over
the next year or
so until I rebuild my engine --- pistons etc. what's on the
wish list.
Porting, polishing, guides [ larger for more support as per
Roger or smaller
for less port restriction ], SS valves, titanium retainers,
heavier springs
etc. etc.
Has anyone tried for larger valves ???
Titanium valves -- I think the Supra
boys can get them, are they worth the
effort/cost.
My question is, what's worth doing, what isn't. As a wish
list, cost is of
course no problem
;-)
Jim
Berry
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:17:19
-0800
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
New problem...anyone?
Did you reset the ECU after you fixed the leak in
your intake --- it
may have adjusted to some air coming in after the
MAS.
Jim
Berry
==============================================
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: Chris Maxwell <
shmacker@home.com>
> Okay, well
it only seems right that a new problem would develop the day
> after I fix
a 1/4" hole in one of my intercoolers. Here's the deal. The
>
car starts up fine when the engine is cold (like in the morning), but when
I
> start up the engine when it's already warm(like getting back in my car
after
> some Johnny Rockets), it idles at around 400rpm and will stall if
I don't
> gas it a little. It will settle down after about 2
minutes, but feels a
> little sluggish after that. I don't seem to
feel the sluggishness when it
> starts from a cold state(after it heats up
of course).
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:23:26
-0600
From: "Eric Cheek" <
echeek@cox-internet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: GL-5 tranny fluids w/ sulfur based additive bad for
synchros
Mike,
Ya the Jeeps have a serious issue with synchros and
third gear ;-) .....
I've been running Castrol 15W50 Synthetic Motor Oil in
my Jeep tranny for
about 2 years, and this tranny so far has worked better
and longer than the
other 3 or 4 I've had in it before. I'm not saying that
is what you should
run in the Getrag, and I don't know if I will switch my
Getrag to it yet or
not, I'm still reading through the threads (just aquired
the VR4 about 40
days ago). The other reason my Jeep tranny has been working
so well might be
that I have another rebuilt one in the garage just in case
the current one
fails. I do know that a lot of my serious 4x4 buddies run the
Castrol
synthetic in their transmissions for both Jeeps and Suzuki
samari's.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Reid [
mailto:mreid@magma.ca]
Sent: Monday,
December 11, 2000 9:28 AM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
GL-5 tranny fluids w/ sulfur based additive bad for
synchros
All,
Nobody commented on my GL-5 versus GL-4 tranny
fluid question and
since I've heard of this issue on the Getrags before and
since
there are plenty of other cars/trannys with the same issue, I'd
like
to bring it up.
I have an owners manual for a 92 TT and it claims that
GL-4 or
higher tranny fluid is recommended. Mitchells says the same, but
I
think this is one of those cases where the manuals were printed
before GL-5
fluids existed. (?)
Most GL-5 fluids appear to use sulfur based
additives, and from
what I can tell, these are BAD NEWS for bronze/brass
sychros;
they reduce the life of the syncro to one half of normal.
Given
our tranny issues, this is REALLY BAD for us, IMO.
Apparently
some GL-5 fluids may contain a boron based additive
package that is OK for
our synchros...
After browsing many threads on Dejanews I come to the
conclusion
that we should use only GL-4 fluids, unless perhaps a GL-5
WITHOUT
sulfur based additives is used. Many other cars/trannys have
this
exact same issue, for example, VWs and Jeeps.
I'd bet that MANY
shops put GL-5 in our trannies without realizing
it was bad. Even experienced
service techs seem to think that GL-5
is just a better alternative to
GL-4.
I note that (
http://www.redlineoil.com/products.htm
) MTL and MT-90
are both GL-4 fluids and often recommended for trannies
requiring a GL-4
when synthetic is desired. I'm not sure about the "SYNTHETIC
GEAR OILS"
products though, such as the 75W90 and 75W90NS...
If there
is any problem with the MTL or MT-90 though, I'd imagine that
it could be due
to some other additive.
Comments ?
Mike.
***
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:59:58
-0700
From: "Barry E. King" <
beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
trick heads
I like your approach of having a spare set of heads.
That's the way to go.
I was fairly cautious about having mine cut since I
have only one set and
didn't have the means to bankroll a spare
set.
If this is a driver, make sure you get someone who knows what they
are
doing. It is easy to lose low RPM velocity. Strictly WOT work
can forego
the low-end response, but IMO this is totally unnecessary and the
gains
wouldn't be worth it unless you can get cams to match. Besides
which, you
have to get those huffers spinning up quickly in order to make the
power in
a usable fasahion. Arguably, cams should be done too, but
there's precious
little data on what works. The (proper) R&D would
cost double a great
engine job.
The stock heads flow extremely well by
V8 standards. The engine designers
did a great job at extracting a good
combination of high end flow and low
end drivability (torque) from these
heads.
The guy who did mine actually got a peak flow increase of 20% at
the high
end. Unfortunately this increase is right where the stock cams
quit
lifting. Likely won't make a whole pile of difference with
cams. However,
there was an average of 10-12% increase right in the
middle with a slight
loss right around off-idle flow rates.
Larger
valves would give you more flow yet, but according to "my guy", he
didn't
think it was worth the trouble and expense from a pure
flow
perspective. I deferred to his judgement after discussing what I
really
wanted out of the car. Reduced valve-train weight would have
been a (rather
expensive) bonus though.
I have seen flow numbers from
another set of extremely tricked out VR4 heads
which included oversize
titanium valves, trick retainers and special
springs. Mine flow better
overall on the bench than those ones did.
However, the trick ones should
definitely rev quicker and will no doubt work
extremely well. They
should be more reliable than my more or less stock
ones.
The bottom
line is you can get 80-90% of the way there on a modest budget
without
touching the valves other than proper attention to the seat area and
mating
valve surfaces. If the sky is the limit, go whole hog for the
extra
10-20%, but expect to pay. It is easy to spend $5K on a set of
tricked out
VR4 heads.
I strongly suggest you reject anyone who
recommends mirror polishing the
intake. Okay, okay, just don't let them
do it. I have seen the side by
side numbers (and witnessed first hand
the results in numerous engines), and
in some cases this actually reduces
performance when compared to a good
satin finish. Mirror polishing the
exhaust yields a very tiny improvement
that is not (IMO) worth the additional
effort and cost. The greatest gains
on these heads seem to come from
seat area relief and combustion chamber
reshaping. There are also
opportunities to get a more direct shot at the
valve from the port.
Make sure whoever you use has the pistons you plan to
use too so they can
make better decisions as to combustion chamber design.
Also be cautious
about opening up the ports to match the exhaust header and
the intake
plenum. Doing this can sometimes reduce flow. Exit velocity is
a
big factor. I'd like to see results from an extrude honed intake, but
a
decent manual cleanup will help too. Don't forget about the throttle
body
while you're at it. It is likely large enough as is but it should
be
considered in the flow equation too.
Then there's headers...and
proper pre-cat replacements...and....without
which the tricked out heads
won't be able to breath to their potential.
Barry
>
-----Original Message-----
>
> I'm buying a set of used heads to
trick out at leisure over the
> next year or
> so until I rebuild my
engine --- pistons etc. what's on the wish list.
>
> Porting,
polishing, guides [ larger for more support as per Roger
> or
smaller
> for less port restriction ], SS valves, titanium
retainers,
> heavier springs
> etc. etc.
>
> Has anyone
tried for larger valves ??? Titanium valves -- I think
> the Supra
>
boys can get them, are they worth the effort/cost.
>
> My question
is, what's worth doing, what isn't. As a wish list,
> cost is of
>
course no problem
;-)
>
> Jim
Berry
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:59:48
-0700
From: "Barry E. King" <
beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
New problem...anyone?
Took the words right out of my...fingers. It
is possible that with the leak
the ECU has made adjustments that aren't valid
any more. Worth a shot.
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
> Did you reset the ECU after you fixed the leak in
your intake --- it
> may have adjusted to some air coming in after the
MAS.
>
> Jim
Berry
> ==============================================
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: Chris Maxwell <
shmacker@home.com>
>
> >
Okay, well it only seems right that a new problem would develop the day
>
> after I fix a 1/4" hole in one of my intercoolers. Here's the
>
deal. The
> > car starts up fine when the engine is cold (like in
the
> morning), but when I
> > start up the engine when it's
already warm(like getting back in
> my car after
> > some Johnny
Rockets), it idles at around 400rpm and will stall
> if I don't
>
> gas it a little. It will settle down after about 2 minutes, but feels
a
> > little sluggish after that. I don't seem to feel
the
> sluggishness when it
> > starts from a cold state(after it
heats up of course).
>
>
>
> *** Info:
http://www.Team3S.com/Rules.htm
***
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:06:22
-0500
From: Bill Wagner <
wagner@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Trany failure rate (was: Redline bad for Getrags ??)
You're right
Jeff. The brakes are great....until the rotors warp!
:-) Good
Luck,
Bill Wagner
Jeff Lucius wrote:
>
> "Brakes
are marginal"? I don't think so! According to the magazine
> testers
(Sports Car Int'l, Motor Trend, and Road & Track) our cars
> have
excellent brakes, stopping from 60 mph often in 123 feet or less
> (one
test was 116 ft!). In R&Ts 8/96 issue they reported their
> 0-100-0
competition. Not one car stopped faster than the '97 VR4 they
> used, 4.5
sec. from 100 mph. In another test, brake fade was minimal
> after six 0.5
g stops in a row. I'm not saying our stock brakes can't
> be improved -
they can, but they definitely don't suck either. See my
> brake upgrade
page for more info.
>
>
http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius2/j2-2-brakeupgrade.htm>
> Do you mean 18 splines to 25 splines on the output shaft? I
believe
> it is the hardness and shear strength of the material that is
the
> problem, not the number of splines.
>
> Yes the 6-speed
trany has better ratios but has it been proven they
> are any more
reliable? I consider a worn out synchro a fairly minor
> problem as
problems go in cars.
>
> No our cars are not perfect, nor do I
claim that. Check out the Mods
> page at my website to see the parts I
thought could be improved (and
> there's more to come).
>
>
Yes! I demand a hand recount until the results are in my favor! :)
>
> Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com>
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
>
To: "'Jeff Lucius'" <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>;
>
<
team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:01 AM
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Trany
failure rate (was: Redline bad for Getrags
> ??)
>
>
Jeff,
>
> Would you rather have a hand recount of transmission
failures among
> the 28,000 owners rather than a vocal sample of owners
with possiblly
> a higher level of awareness of the good and bad aspects
of their
> cars? Pretending that our cars are perfect is a worse
disservice.
> The brakes are marginal for a 3800 lbs car, even on the
street. What
> do you think prompted Mitsubishi to go from the 5
speed to the six
> speed transmission, or to make an engineering change on
the number of
> splines (from 12 to 18, I think)?
>
> I love
these cars for what they are, and what they can be, not what I
> wish they
were.
>
> Chuck
>
> > -----Original
Message-----
> > From: Jeff Lucius [
SMTP:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
>
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 8:59 AM
> > To:
team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
> Subject: Team3S: Trany failure rate (was: Redline bad for Getrags
>
??)
> >
> > From Eric Bowden's web page,
> >
>
>
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9907/3s-production.html>
>
> > I estimate that the total production of VR4s and TTs was
something
> > like 28,000 cars - about 20% of total production. Does
anyone here
> > really think that the personal experiences of a small
fraction of
> > something like 600 enthusiasts (known for our
modification desires
> if
> > not skills and racer tendencies)
can represent anything like a
> > scientific/accurate poll of the
failure rate of AWD transaxles in
> the
> > hands of Joe Average?
I agree the synchros and the output shaft are
> > problem areas, but I
think sweeping generalizations regarding the
> > "automatic" failure
tendencies of our trannies does a disservice to
> > the 3S community
and our cars. Besides, a "rebuilt" trany ($1700)
> is
> > still
much cheaper than a set of 15G turbos or a set up TE37
> wheels!
>
> What? Are 9B turbos and 30-lb cast aluminum wheels design flaws
>
also?
> > (I know, I know, the answer is yes to the last question.)
:)
> >
> > Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com> >
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:57:37
-0800 (PST)
From: George Kuo <
amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Open-Track day @Buttonwillow..read..
I just got a set of spare
race rims (Spyder rims)..
got the broken axle & bearings fixed.. placed
the
order for some A032's tonight.. should be ready to
go!
=)
Haven't been out to any open track events (beside
karting)
for over 2 yrs.. should be hitting Willow
Spring with the Alfa Romeo club in
Jan to warm up..
then see u guys in Feb! =)
/George
- --- Jim
Berry <
fastmax@home.com>
wrote:
> Geoff
>
> I'll be there if I have to take my wifes
Intrepid
> ---- I have tears in my eyes
> as I speak because I
missed Laguna Seca this weekend
> :-( sniff sniff.
>
> It would be great to get a batch of folk ---- the
> race group
should have run
> out of excuses by now !!!!!!!! Ken, Hoser,
George,
> Kurt ---- anybody
>
> Jim
berry
Buttonwillow
> 2-10-01
>
===================================================
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>
To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
> >
> > Again I will be planning in visiting
Buttonwillow
> raceway for an
> > open-track event.
> >
> > I DID meet a few of you at the last event (this is
> BCCd to
other lists
> > too) and hope to see you again and others.
> >
> >
>
http://www.open-track.com/ot_general/ot_schedule.html>
is where you look
> > these fun events up in Southern Cali.
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:23:59
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Open-Track day @Buttonwillow..read..
Kick..ASS!
Thats
at least three of us so far.
2/11/01!!! Sunday SUNday
SUNDAY!!
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, George Kuo wrote:
> I just got a
set of spare race rims (Spyder rims)..
> got the broken axle &
bearings fixed.. placed the
> order for some A032's tonight.. should be
ready to go!
> =)
>
> Haven't been out to any open track
events (beside
> karting) for over 2 yrs.. should be hitting
Willow
> Spring with the Alfa Romeo club in Jan to warm up..
> then
see u guys in Feb! =)
>
> /George
>
> --- Jim Berry
<
fastmax@home.com> wrote:
>
> Geoff
> >
> > I'll be there if I have to take my wifes
Intrepid
> > ---- I have tears in my eyes
> > as I speak
because I missed Laguna Seca this weekend
> > :-( sniff
sniff.
> >
> > It would be great to get a batch of folk ----
the
> > race group should have run
> > out of excuses by now
!!!!!!!! Ken, Hoser, George,
> > Kurt ---- anybody
> >
> > Jim
berry
Buttonwillow
> > 2-10-01
> >
===================================================
> > ----- Original
Message -----
> > From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>
> To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
>
> > >
> > > Again I will be planning in visiting
Buttonwillow
> > raceway for an
> > > open-track
event.
> > >
> > > I DID meet a few of you at the last
event (this is
> > BCCd to other lists
> > > too) and hope
to see you again and others.
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
http://www.open-track.com/ot_general/ot_schedule.html>
> is where you look
> > > these fun events up in Southern
Cali.
> >
> >
> >
> > ***
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:26:23
-0800 (PST)
From: George Kuo <
amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Open-Track day @Buttonwillow..read..
Geoff,
You going on
Sunday only??
/George
- --- Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
wrote:
> Kick..ASS!
>
> Thats at least three of us so
far.
>
> 2/11/01!!! Sunday SUNday SUNDAY!!
>
>
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, George Kuo wrote:
>
> > I just got a set of
spare race rims (Spyder
> rims)..
> > got the broken axle &
bearings fixed.. placed the
> > order for some A032's tonight.. should
be ready to
> go!
> > =)
> >
> > Haven't been
out to any open track events (beside
> > karting) for over 2 yrs..
should be hitting Willow
> > Spring with the Alfa Romeo club in Jan to
warm
> up..
> > then see u guys in Feb! =)
> >
>
> /George
> >
> > --- Jim Berry <
fastmax@home.com> wrote:
> > >
Geoff
> > >
> > > I'll be there if I have to take my
wifes
> Intrepid
> > > ---- I have tears in my eyes
>
> > as I speak because I missed Laguna Seca this
> weekend
>
> > :-( sniff sniff.
> > >
> > > It
would be great to get a batch of folk ----
> the
> > > race
group should have run
> > > out of excuses by now !!!!!!!!
Ken, Hoser,
> George,
> > > Kurt ---- anybody
> >
>
> > > Jim
berry
Buttonwillow
> > > 2-10-01
> > >
>
===================================================
> > > -----
Original Message -----
> > > From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>
> > To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > Again I will be
planning in visiting
> Buttonwillow
> > > raceway for
an
> > > > open-track event.
> > > >
> >
> > I DID meet a few of you at the last event
> (this is
>
> > BCCd to other lists
> > > > too) and hope to see you
again and others.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> >
>
http://www.open-track.com/ot_general/ot_schedule.html>
> > is where you look
> > > > these fun events up in
Southern Cali.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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> >
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:33:02
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Open-Track day @Buttonwillow..read..
Ya..its a family event
for us..and a number of other people we work with.
We take Sat. AM to get
everything ship-shape, and haul down there Saturday
afternoon. Stay in
our fav. hotel about 10 mins from the track..and get
drunk out at thier nice
heated pool.
You cant imagine honestly..how much effort is is to take 2-3
cars
somewhere to race. One good day of 5 20-30 minutes sessions really
wears
you out.
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, George Kuo wrote:
>
Geoff,
>
> You going on Sunday only??
>
>
/George
> --- Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
wrote:
> > Kick..ASS!
> >
> > Thats at least three
of us so far.
> >
> > 2/11/01!!! Sunday SUNday
SUNDAY!!
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, George Kuo
wrote:
> >
> > > I just got a set of spare race rims
(Spyder
> > rims)..
> > > got the broken axle &
bearings fixed.. placed the
> > > order for some A032's tonight..
should be ready to
> > go!
> > > =)
> > >
> > > Haven't been out to any open track events (beside
>
> > karting) for over 2 yrs.. should be hitting Willow
> > >
Spring with the Alfa Romeo club in Jan to warm
> > up..
> >
> then see u guys in Feb! =)
> > >
> > >
/George
> > >
> > > --- Jim Berry <
fastmax@home.com> wrote:
> > >
> Geoff
> > > >
> > > > I'll be there if I
have to take my wifes
> > Intrepid
> > > > ---- I have
tears in my eyes
> > > > as I speak because I missed Laguna Seca
this
> > weekend
> > > > :-( sniff sniff.
> > > >
> > > > It would be great to get a batch
of folk ----
> > the
> > > > race group should have
run
> > > > out of excuses by now !!!!!!!! Ken,
Hoser,
> > George,
> > > > Kurt ---- anybody
>
> > >
> > >
> Jim
berry
Buttonwillow
> > > > 2-10-01
> > >
>
> > ===================================================
>
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Geoff
Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>
> > > To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Again I
will be planning in visiting
> > Buttonwillow
> > > >
raceway for an
> > > > > open-track event.
> > >
> >
> > > > > I DID meet a few of you at the last
event
> > (this is
> > > > BCCd to other lists
>
> > > > too) and hope to see you again and others.
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> >
>
http://www.open-track.com/ot_general/ot_schedule.html>
> > > is where you look
> > > > > these fun events up
in Southern Cali.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > *** Info:
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:37:15
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Open-Track day @Buttonwillow..read..
And..were all
registering as team Speedtoys.Com as well.
PS: "
www.speedtoys.com racing" team shirts will
be on sale as well.
Really high-quality cotton/silk T's, 3-button down,
collars..black as
night W/ logo.
Pick your size before 2/1/01..$35/ea
(thats actually $1 below cost, but an
easier number to work with)
On
Mon, 11 Dec 2000, George Kuo wrote:
> Geoff,
>
> You
going on Sunday only??
>
> /George
> --- Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
wrote:
> > Kick..ASS!
> >
> > Thats at least three
of us so far.
> >
> > 2/11/01!!! Sunday SUNday
SUNDAY!!
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, George Kuo
wrote:
> >
> > > I just got a set of spare race rims
(Spyder
> > rims)..
> > > got the broken axle &
bearings fixed.. placed the
> > > order for some A032's tonight..
should be ready to
> > go!
> > > =)
> > >
> > > Haven't been out to any open track events (beside
>
> > karting) for over 2 yrs.. should be hitting Willow
> > >
Spring with the Alfa Romeo club in Jan to warm
> > up..
> >
> then see u guys in Feb! =)
> > >
> > >
/George
> > >
> > > --- Jim Berry <
fastmax@home.com> wrote:
> > >
> Geoff
> > > >
> > > > I'll be there if I
have to take my wifes
> > Intrepid
> > > > ---- I have
tears in my eyes
> > > > as I speak because I missed Laguna Seca
this
> > weekend
> > > > :-( sniff sniff.
> > > >
> > > > It would be great to get a batch
of folk ----
> > the
> > > > race group should have
run
> > > > out of excuses by now !!!!!!!! Ken,
Hoser,
> > George,
> > > > Kurt ---- anybody
>
> > >
> > >
> Jim
berry
Buttonwillow
> > > > 2-10-01
> > >
>
> > ===================================================
>
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Geoff
Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>
> > > To: <
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Again I
will be planning in visiting
> > Buttonwillow
> > > >
raceway for an
> > > > > open-track event.
> > >
> >
> > > > > I DID meet a few of you at the last
event
> > (this is
> > > > BCCd to other lists
>
> > > > too) and hope to see you again and others.
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> >
>
http://www.open-track.com/ot_general/ot_schedule.html>
> > > is where you look
> > > > > these fun events up
in Southern Cali.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:53:24
-0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Steerin wheel..
Can someone tell me the fricken diameter of the
VR4 steering wheel
puhhleaze?
Gotta order a new one..need da
size.
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:14:53
-0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Admin NOTE: Flames and Chat?
Hey, folks,
Many of us seem to be
forgetting our major premise for the Team3S list:
to discuss ONLY technical
issues, free of chat, flames, fluff, or BS.
And we send Admin Notices to
other members who violate this. Lately a
couple of us Admins are among
the violators, too... My apologies. It's
time to send a public
"nasty note" (as Merritt calls it) to *ourselves*.
Team3S benefits from
discussions about racing in that what we learn
about our cars is helpful to
all owners. But this is not a racing list,
with maybe 20% of us *ever*
getting on the track, and maybe 5% to 10% of
us 'tracking' on a regular
basis. We do not want to chew up bandwidth
on a racing topic if it
isn't a technical discussion - the chat (mine
included) has got to
cease. Reading about mods (and the creative
exchange of ideas that get
us there) is of interest to many, as are
reading about the race results that
those mods bring about. But this is
a reminder that local plans, prep
notes, and all that "witty repartee"
should be private, or on another
list. And in a forum like ours that
holds to high standards, anything
even resembling a flame has no place.
Perhaps it's even time to do a
separate list (the "SpeedToys List"?) for
the race crowd, and if the rules of
*that* list allow "chat", so be it.
But the Team3S rules we came up with when
we formed (and that most of
the members approve of) do *not* allow chat, nor
unidentified
*off-topic* posts, nor charming one-liners. Even some of
the racers
have reminded us Admins lately that things are getting pretty
"noisy" on
the list. And they're right. Adding a witty comment to
a technical
post is great, but if there isn't any technical content to your
post,
then PLEASE take it
private!
-:-
One more quick note: when you post to the list, kindly take the
time to
trim off all the unnecessary quoted material from the previous posts
you
are replying to. As was pointed out recently, it's pretty unfair to
the
digest members to have to cursor down through *pages* of quoted
material
to see the next message. If you care about other members, you
can spare
a minute to make sure your post contains only what's
necessary. It's
what being a "team player" is all about.
Please..., be a good
"netizen".
(And please..., address any comments
to this post to the Admins, not to
the list).
Forrest
for the
Admins
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:19
-0500
From: Ken Stanton <
tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S:
2-4 bolt -swap-
Hello everyone
Can anyone tell me precisely what
it is one would have to do to upgrade
their '91 TT to the 4-bolt main
motor? I have someone who is selling a
motor for a very fair price and
is in great shape and would rather just
dump it in as is.
I've heard that
this requires an ECU swap and a wiring harness swap,
anyone know for sure if
the whole harness is necessary?
Any and all help appreciated!
Ken
Stanton
'91 Pearl White
RT/TT
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 06:27:03
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From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 15G turbos update (pump flow)
Yep I understand. I feel the
same way about safety margins with my
lowly setup. I think the confusion
comes when manufacturers, dealers,
and enthusiast (not yourself or members of
this list) make a claim
such as the following.
"The ILT pump flows 90
gph and is good for 1080 HP." This statement
is true (on average) subject to
the these conditions: the pump is
used at the rated pressure (usually 43 psi,
which is usually true for
normally-aspiration vehicles), gasoline weighs 6
lb/gal (close
enough), BSFC is 0.5, the person is reckless enough to run the
pump
at 100% capacity (80% as you say provides a nice safety margin).
(90 x 6) / 0.5 = 1080
The problem for us forced induction car
owners is that pump flow goes
down as we raise boost and that "1080 HP"
number above goes right out
the window. For the high-boost crowd, the "rated
HP" values should
probably be cut in half (allows for high boost and a safety
margin)
to more accurately reflect a pump's suitability for a
particular
setup.
Mikael Kenson knows this and has installed 2 pumps
for his setup.
Good news for fuel line upgraders though. Flow capacity
increases
with the 4th power of the pipe radius. So increasing the diameter
of
the stock lines by only 20% doubles capacity.
Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To:
"Jeff Lucius" <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Cc:
<
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Monday, December 11, 2000 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: 15G turbos update
(pump flow)
I wont have 1000Hp, but I dont wish to use anythng past
80% of its
total capacity in our design.
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Jeff
Lucius wrote:
> Roger is correct. For an idea of what an average fuel
pump might
flow
> at different pressures check out the chart on my fuel
pump upgrade
> web page.
>
>
http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius2/j2-2-fuelpumpguide.htm>
> And as Roger stated, every pump is different but ALL pumps
will
flow
> less at high boost (high fuel line pressure) than at low
boost (low
> fuel line pressure). Corky Bell's (Maximum Boost) field
data
suggests
> that the typical pump will flow at 59% of the rated (43
psi) value
at
> 20 psi boost and only 52% at 25 psi boost. And if
someone is
looking
> for 1000 HP out of our 3L engine I'm guessing
you'll be at 30 psi
> boost or more. You guys better have some huge fuel
pumps. Not to
> mention turbos capable of over 3.1 pressure ratios. (I'd
like some
> these myself.)
>
> Jeff Lucius,
www.stealth316.com>
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Gerl (RTEC)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
> To:
<
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: 15G turbos
update (pump flow)
>
> > The HKS pump is rated at 390 lph [
about 100 Gal/hr ] and should
> easly support
> > 1000 hp ----
all I lack are the turbos, injectors,IC, engine
> internals
etc.etc.
>
> Jim, on what fuel pressure does this pump flow 100
gal/hr ? This is
> only wishful thinking as at 20psi boost, the fuel
pressure is at
> about 63psi and therefore the pump has to be able to push
against
it.
> With such a high power pump you may still not see more
than 70
gal/h
> at this pressure what results in about possible 766hp
on our engine
!
>
> Every pump has its own pressure/flow curve
and this is why it is
> important on high pressure applications.
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 06:38:34
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From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Trany failure rate (was: Redline bad for Getrags ??)
So true!
In fact that statement is true for every rotor ever made on
this planet. For
normal, sane, safe, and legal street use (as the
manufacturer intended), our
stock brakes are just fine. For "track"
use, I agree, they are easily
improved. For those that want to know
how, check out:
http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius2/j2-2-brakeupgrade.htmJeff
Lucius,
www.stealth316.com-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Wagner" <
wagner@sprynet.com>
To: "Jeff Lucius"
<
stealthman92@yahoo.com>;
<
team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Monday, December 11, 2000 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Trany failure rate
(was: Redline bad for Getrags
??)
You're right Jeff. The brakes
are great....until the rotors warp!
:-) Good Luck,
Bill
Wagner
Jeff Lucius wrote:
>
> "Brakes are marginal"? I
don't think so! According to the magazine
> testers (Sports Car Int'l,
Motor Trend, and Road & Track) our cars
> have excellent brakes,
stopping from 60 mph often in 123 feet or
less
> (one test was 116
ft!). In R&Ts 8/96 issue they reported their
> 0-100-0 competition.
Not one car stopped faster than the '97 VR4
they
> used, 4.5 sec. from
100 mph. In another test, brake fade was
minimal
> after six 0.5 g
stops in a row. I'm not saying our stock brakes
can't
> be improved -
they can, but they definitely don't suck either. See
my
> brake upgrade
page for more info.
>
>
http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius2/j2-2-brakeupgrade.htm>
> Do you mean 18 splines to 25 splines on the output shaft? I
believe
> it is the hardness and shear strength of the material that is
the
> problem, not the number of splines.
>
> Yes the 6-speed
trany has better ratios but has it been proven they
> are any more
reliable? I consider a worn out synchro a fairly minor
> problem as
problems go in cars.
>
> No our cars are not perfect, nor do I
claim that. Check out the
Mods
> page at my website to see the parts I
thought could be improved
(and
> there's more to come).
>
> Yes! I demand a hand recount until the results are in my favor!
:)
>
> Jeff Lucius,
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:59:56
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From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Trany failure rate (was: Redline bad for Getrags
??)
Jeff,
When we were talking about what prompted Mitsubishi to
change from the 5
speed to the 6 speed, I think I recall (no pun intended)
you saying that
they were adjusting/improving gear ratios. When I first
looked at the
serivce manual, I thought they had changed gear ratios a lot,
pretty much
adding a new lower "zero" gear, but when I sat down and
calculated the total
ratio for each gear including final transfer, it appears
that the gear
ratios are the same within about 1% as the 5 speed, except
there is a new
6th gear over-over drive. I haven't driven the 6 speed
on the track yet,
but I am guessing now there are 2 gears I won't use,
instead of just one.
Chuck
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>
From: Jeff Lucius [
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>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:39 AM
> To:
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Subject: Re: Team3S: Trany failure rate (was: Redline bad for Getrags
>
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>
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:00:17
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From: "Trevor L. James" <
trevor@kscable.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Trany failure rate (was: Redline bad for Getrags ??)
Approximate
max speeds in each gear:
5 Speed
1: 42mph
2: 75
3: 119
4:
161
5: 201
6 Speed
1: 41
2: 70
3: 108
4: 147
5:
187
6: 233
The third gear's where the big difference is. In stock form
the six speeds pull
much harder in third gear and redline going through the
traps. Almost perfect
for drag racing. :)
Trev
96 R/T TT
Former
91 R/T TT owner
"Willis, Charles E." wrote:
>
Jeff,
>
> When we were talking about what prompted Mitsubishi to
change from the 5
> speed to the 6 speed, I think I recall (no pun
intended) you saying that
> they were adjusting/improving gear
ratios. When I first looked at the
> serivce manual, I thought they
had changed gear ratios a lot, pretty much
> adding a new lower "zero"
gear, but when I sat down and calculated the total
> ratio for each gear
including final transfer, it appears that the gear
> ratios are the same
within about 1% as the 5 speed, except there is a new
> 6th gear over-over
drive. I haven't driven the 6 speed on the track yet,
> but I am
guessing now there are 2 gears I won't use, instead of just one.
>
>
Chuck
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