team3s
Wednesday, December 6
2000 Volume 01 :
Number
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Date:
Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:15:28 -0800
From: "Watkins, Jim" <
jim.watkins@terayon.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Suspension
I just had Firehawk SZ50 tires installed on all four
corners and there was a
problem with the 4 wheel alignment. The right
rear camber reads +7.1
degrees where the spec is
- -0.7 to +0.3
degrees. All other adjustments were made within specs on
all
corners. How important is it to correct it and what measures must
be taken?
The car is a 95 VR4 Spyder. Not sure how accessable the rear
shock towers
are. What do you guys
think?
Jim
91-VR4
95-VR4 Spyder
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:38:17
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From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Suspension
You sure?? +7 camber would look like a
broken axle hub.
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Watkins, Jim wrote:
> I
just had Firehawk SZ50 tires installed on all four corners and there was
a
> problem with the 4 wheel alignment. The right rear camber reads
+7.1
> degrees where the spec is
> -0.7 to +0.3 degrees. All
other adjustments were made within specs on all
> corners. How
important is it to correct it and what measures must be taken?
> The car
is a 95 VR4 Spyder. Not sure how accessable the rear shock towers
>
are. What do you guys think?
>
> Jim
> 91-VR4
>
95-VR4 Spyder
>
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000
16:42:14 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Suspension
> I just had Firehawk SZ50 tires installed on
all four corners
> and there was a problem with the 4 wheel
alignment. The
> right rear camber reads +7.1 degrees where the spec
is
> -0.7 to +0.3 degrees. All other adjustments were made within
> specs on all corners. How important is it to correct it
>
and what measures must be taken?
If it really is +7.1 degrees then either
they measured it wrong or you have
something seriously bent in the suspension
on that corner. Maybe something
like a bushing or somesuch broke and
fell out or something. I'm not even
sure how that could happen
though. Did you slide the rear hard into a curb
or
something?
> The car is a 95 VR4 Spyder. Not sure how accessable
the rear
> shock towers are. What do you guys think?
Haven't
had to get at it myself, but I think you can get at the strut towers
with the
top up, decklid open, and start taking apart the top mechanism
"cover".
Pretty sure the camber adjustment is near the lower end of the
strut though,
I don't think there's an adjustment on the top end, unless you
wanted to do
some sort of camber plate - but you are just patching something
else that's
wrong if the +7.1 is correct.
Take it to the dealer and have them figure
out what's bent, or get a second
opinion on the alignment. +7.1 degrees
should be VERY noticable by just
looking at the car. The top end of the
tire should be canted outward
substantially more than the bottom. If it
isn't (and it should actually be
a little bit tilted in on the top) then
question the measurements the
alignment shop did.
- -Matt
'95
3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:54:06
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From: Ken Middaugh <
Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Suspension
> I just had Firehawk SZ50 tires installed on
all four corners and there was a
> problem with the 4 wheel
alignment. The right rear camber reads +7.1
> degrees where the spec
is
> -0.7 to +0.3 degrees. All other adjustments were made within
specs on all
> corners. How important is it to correct it and what
measures must be taken?
> The car is a 95 VR4 Spyder. Not sure how
accessable the rear shock towers
> are. What do you guys
think?
With stock springs, they should be able to get close to -0.5
degree if all is
normal. With lowering springs, they should be able to
get to -1.5 degrees or
there abouts. Definitely find out if you have
suspension or bearing problems.
Good luck,
Ken
- --
If you
lived in your car, you'd be home by now.
Ken Middaugh (858)
455-4510
General Atomics - Fusion Group, San Diego, CA
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:23:19
EST
From:
Zeoswolf@aol.comSubject:
Team3S: 95 Headlights and Rims for Stealths
Hello all!
Does anyone have the headlights from a 95 stealth?? I have a 94 but do
not like the glass lenses as they crack and look bad. The 95s, as we
all
know, also look slightly different in that they are black and have two
very
distintive holes in the paint where the lights are. The 94s
however do not
look like this and are made of glass where the 95s are made
of a certain
plastic. I'm also looking for the 95-96 18 inch chrome
wheels. If anyone
has either of these or know where I can get them for
a DECENT price and not
dealer prices... PLEASE let me
know.
james
94R/T
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:07:27
-0800
From: "noble" <
nketo@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Team3S:
Re: capacitors for our ECUs
To all our electronic gurus,
The ECU
capacitors I've got for our cars is
1)47uf 50V
2)22uf 50V
3)100uf
16V
The matching panasonic general use capacitors are kinda small
compared to
the origonal Rubycons.
I've heard of someone recommending
uping the voltages, but keeping the uf's
the same, thereby jumping up to
larger capacitors that may have longer life.
Can anyone confirm this?
Will increasing voltage ratings adversely affect
the filtering properties for
this application?
Thanks in advance,
Noble
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Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:50:36
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Suspension
At 02:15 PM 12/5/00 -0800, Watkins, Jim
wrote:
>I just had Firehawk SZ50 tires installed on all four corners and
there was a
>problem with the 4 wheel alignment. The right rear
camber reads +7.1
>degrees where the spec is
>-0.7 to +0.3 degrees.
You can see 7.1 degrees. It will look like the tire is leaning out at
the
top. I can see -2 deg camber on my car, so you oughta be able to see 7
deg.
If you can't see it, there's something wrong with the alignment
machine
If you can see it, there's something terribly wrong with your car --
like
maybe it got hit on the side and bent the strut.
Rich/old
poop
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:52:33
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From: "Watkins, Jim" <
jim.watkins@terayon.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Suspension
Thanks for your replies. The car has never
been damaged and looks good
visually, so I have to conclude the shop made an
error or their equipment
was out of calibration. I called the shop and
they said the equipment was
just calibrated and upgraded to include 2001
models and he agreed that
anything over 2 degrees should be noticeable.
He offered to recheck at my
convenience.
Jim
91-VR4
95-VR4 Spyder (never been kissed)
> I just
had Firehawk SZ50 tires installed on all four corners
> and there was a
problem with the 4 wheel alignment. The
> right rear camber reads
+7.1 degrees where the spec is
> -0.7 to +0.3 degrees. All other
adjustments were made within
> specs on all corners. How important
is it to correct it
> and what measures must be taken?
If it really
is +7.1 degrees then either they measured it wrong or you have
something
seriously bent in the suspension on that corner. Maybe something
like a
bushing or somesuch broke and fell out or something. I'm not even
sure
how that could happen though. Did you slide the rear hard into a
curb
or something?
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:55:44
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From:
TTurboAWD@aol.comSubject: Re: Team3S:
Team Help w/safe HP
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In a message dated
12/05/2000 10:08:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
stealthman92@yahoo.com
writes:
> If you guys want **longevity** AND 400-420+ HP you
better install
> forged pistons, larger turbos, larger injectors, larger
fuel pump,
> and an ARC2 or VPC (along with all the standard intake and
exhaust
> stuff). Running the stock injectors continually past 85%-90%
IDC
> (assuming the stock fuel pump can keep up) is asking for a
momentary
> lean condition in one or more injectors at some time and
resulting
>
*********Has anyone on the list destroyed their
engine running
15lbs of
boost with stock 9b turbos?(I'm not counting
the
Euro spec cars
since they have 13g's). I know of at
least
one list
member,Jason Barnhart, who has put about
60,000
miles on his
car(now at over 120,000 miles) and I have
seen
him hit 1.7 bar
on race gas, make VERY MANY
6500-7000
rpm clutch
dumps, and runs full-out most of the time. He
is
still able to run
12.60's with trap speeds of 109 mph after
all
of this abuse. Are
our car's really that
delicate?
I really don't know if he has just been lucky or not. His
mods
are just exhaust,
filter,bov and ebc. Has anyone on the
list
blown their
engine at this modification level(with 9b's) and
if
so,what was the
cause if
known?
Thanks for any helpful
responses,
Wayne
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:13:53
EST
From:
NassiriC@aol.comSubject:
Team3S: Greddy Type S Noise
My stock bov is leaking bad, I'm getting a
Greddy Type S to replace it.
Right now I can hear the stock bov fairly
loudly when it opens (I have an HKS
SMF filter). My question is
this: For those of you that have installed one,
will the Greddy be
much louder or sound different then the stock one?
Thanks
Cyrus
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:44:54
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Team Help w/safe HP
> Has anyone on the list destroyed
their
> engine running 15lbs of boost with stock 9b
> turbos?(I'm
not counting the Euro spec cars
> since they have 13g's). I know of at
least
> one list member,Jason Barnhart, who has put
> about 60,000
miles on his car(now at over
> 120,000 miles) and I have seen him hit 1.7
bar
> on race gas, make VERY MANY 6500-7000 rpm
> clutch dumps, and
runs full-out most of the
> time. He is still able to run 12.60's
with
> trap speeds of 109 mph after all of this
> abuse. Are our
car's really that delicate?
1.7 bar of boost is quite a bit beyond what
the stock fuel system can
deliver, even if it is only done for a short period
there's the possibility
of causing damage. I'd say he's been pretty
lucky if there haven't been any
problems caused so far. I'm not sure
how you can run that much boost and
not hit fuel cut - I got it at a mere 1.3
bar with my stock fuel setup and
9b's.
Maybe its possible (if this is
actually what Jason is doing then it is*
possible), but I would put that sort
of thing in the "extreme risk" category
which is what the original asker of
the question was trying to avoid. The
more you live on the ragged edge,
the higher the probability for causing
damage. He wanted a safe,
reliable, street car and that's why he got the
sorts of answers he
did.
Can you have a reliable car while doing redline clutch dumps and
running
very high boost? Maybe, but the odds are against it. I
wasn't about to
give advice like that to anyone, knowing that people have had
tranny
problems and a number of folks have broken the stock pistons.
-
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:36:17
-0500
From: "anscray" <
anscray@mediaone.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Safe HP Help Pt II
First off, Thanks for the
great response... Alot of good ideas from
Matt, and Roger.. My
question now is Where to go? As I previously stated,
I know of a
mainstream Performance Shop called Speed Tech, but Im afraid
their service
may be very generic.. I do know of a Tuner who normally works
on
Nissan's(300Zs, and Q45s mostly) that will probably be able to help me..
Is
it the expert opinion of the Team that any good Tuner should be able to
help
me, or do I really need to look into someone with some degree of
3000GT
experience.. I honestly dont know of any here in Jacksonville,
Fl..
Again, Many thanks ..
I have decided to stick with
Boost Cont., Exhaust, K&N, and more than likely
a BOV.. If I do get
into gutting the Cats, again where should I go? There
is just so little
around here for trustworthy performance.. I know Speed
Tech has
experience with the 3000's as I have seen a couple VR4's w/their
work ..But
again, This is like the McDonalds of Performance Car shops
around
here..
Scott
94 3000VR4(Green)
94 3000SL(Pearl
White)
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Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 22:15:38
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From: Ken Stanton <
tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S:
RPS clutch status??
Hello all
For those who have been involved,
what is our status with the defective
RPS Turbo clutches we received? I
have mine out now and would like to
get a new one, and was wondering what I
should do.
All feedback greatly appreciated!
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl
White
RT/TT
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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:48:56
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From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Safe HP Help Pt II
> Is it the expert opinion of the Team
that any good Tuner
> should be able to help me, or do I really need to
look
> into someone with some degree of 3000GT experience..
> I
honestly dont know of any here in Jacksonville, Fl..
The key thing is
where you say "good Tuner". If you can find and identify a
good tuner,
then you should be on the right track. 3000/Stealth experience
is a
definite plus, but knowlege of fuel injected turbo sports cars will
probably
be sufficient for the level of modification that you want to do.
There are a
number of similarities between something like a 300ZX,
Talon/Eclipse/Laser or
Supra turbo so that knowlege on one helps with
understanding the
others. The trick is in figuring out what shops really
know what they
are talking about, particularly if you are new to this sort
of
thing.
> I have decided to stick with Boost Cont., Exhaust,
K&N,
> and more than likely a BOV.. If I do get into gutting
the
> Cats, again where should I go? There is just so little
>
around here for trustworthy performance.. I know Speed
> Tech has
experience with the 3000's as I have seen a
> couple VR4's w/their work
..But again, This is like the
> McDonalds of Performance Car shops around
here..
That sounds like a good place to start - do the easy modifications
first.
If you decide later that you want to up the performance farther, none
of the
things you are getting need to be swapped out and each will contribute
to
performance in one way or another. As far as gutting the pre-cats,
that's
something which is a little on the risky side. Tampering with
emissions
systems, particuarly the catalytic converters, is a federal
offense. Some
shops won't touch that sort of work, others will do it
"under the table".
It all depends. Gutting the precats is fairly easy
(but time-consuming) on
the front pre-cat since it is easily removed from the
car, but it is
messy/dirty/difficult/time-consuming to do the rear
pre-cat.
Start with the other things and leave the pre-cats for
last. There's a bit
to be gained in turbo response by gutting them, but
there's quite a bit of
effort involved in doing it. Having a shop do it
will cost a good amount of
labor dollars. I personally recommend
keeping the main cat intact, or
upgrading it to a higher-flowing
version. They are relatively cheap, and
having one will help avoid
potential problems with "the man".
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:32:53
-0800
From: "Chris Maxwell" <
shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Team Help w/safe HP
My engine went to 150k miles with 15psi and
bleeder(and lots of
overboosting). Would have went longer if I didn't
let the oil level drop
below 2 quarts... When I looked at the
internals, there were still looking
good (except for that rod bearing that
spun due to oil starvation) and
compression was still pretty good. That
was also without upgraded fuel pump
and injectors. Btw, I drive the
crap out of my car everyday, you know,
flooring it at every onramp and
such. 400hp is just a walk in the park for
our bad boys.
=)
Chris M.
92 R/T TT
In response to this B.S.
post:
>If you guys want **longevity** AND 400-420+ HP you better
install
>forged pistons, larger turbos, larger injectors, larger fuel
pump,
>and an ARC2 or VPC (along with all the standard intake and
exhaust
>stuff). Running the stock injectors continually past 85%-90%
IDC
>(assuming the stock fuel pump can keep up) is asking for a
momentary
>lean condition in one or more injectors at some time and
resulting
>piston havoc.
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:07:52
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From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Greddy Type S Noise
>SMF filter). My question is
this: For those of you that have installed one,
>will the Greddy be
much louder or sound different then the stock one?
Yes, it will be louder
and in a higher frequency. But it depends on how it
is
adjusted.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:13:03
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From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Team Help w/safe HP
>*********Has anyone on the list
destroyed their engine
running
> 15lbs of boost
with stock 9b turbos?(I'm not counting
the
> Euro spec cars
since they have 13g's).
You can count them because only the impeller
blade design is different on ours.
We had a damage of the rear middle
cylinder of a 96'3000GT on the dyno at
only 14 psi. We never found out what
the cause was but the piston broke !
All others were fine as we shut it off
when the sound became strange. The
car got a new piston and ring set for all
and runs fine since them on a max
of 13 psi.
Roger
93'3000GT
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 05:55:45
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From:
TTurboAWD@aol.comSubject: Re: Team3S:
Team Help w/safe HP
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In a message dated
12/05/2000 10:49:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mjannusch@marketwatch.com
writes:
> Can you have a reliable car while doing redline clutch
dumps and running
> very high boost? Maybe, but the odds are against
it. I wasn't about to
> give advice like that to anyone, knowing
that people have had tranny
> problems and a number of folks have broken
the stock pistons.
>
> -Matt
>
**********Thanks Matt.
Yes, I have hit fuel cut at 15 lbs myself on a 18
deg
morning. Happened on
Sunday this week. I'm not
questioning
your advice, he
did ask for "safe mods", I just want to know
if
anyone has blown an
engine running 9b's due to running too
much
boost.Would any of the
broken pistons you mention fall into
this
category? Thanks for
the
reply.
Wayne 3SI
#87
'95 Pearl Yellow VR4
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 06:12:08
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From:
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Team Help w/safe HP
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In a message dated
12/06/2000 3:15:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch
writes:
> You can count them because only the impeller blade
design is different on
> ours.
>
> We had a damage of the
rear middle cylinder of a 96'3000GT on the dyno at
> only 14 psi. We
never found out what the cause was but the piston broke !
> All others
were fine as we shut it off when the sound became strange. The
> car got
a new piston and ring set for all and runs fine since them on a max
> of
13 psi.
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
*******Roger,
Thanks
for the reply. So the turbos you get over there
don't
flow more air in the upper rpms? I
noticed your dyno comparison
with the
two 9b cars showed more of a midrange
increase
than top end but thought it
must be due to other differences.
BTW,
thanks for the very informative web
page.
Thanks,
Wayne 3SI
#87
'95 Pearl Yellow vr4
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 13:33:17
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From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Team Help w/safe
HP
>*******Roger,
>
Thanks for the reply. So the turbos you get over there
don't
> flow more air in the upper
rpms? I noticed your dyno comparison
>
with the two 9b cars showed more of a midrange
increase
> than top end but thought it
must be due to other differences.
They flow more but not to be mentioned.
The advantage is taht the discharge
temperature is lower compared to the 9b
but also lag is more noticeable,
especially on cars with only 5 speed. We
compared the cars, 1nd gen 5 speed
with the 13g and 2nd gen 6 speed with 9b
and the 2nd gen Stealth felt
quicker in spool up while my 1st gen pulled
stronger after 3500. The
tourque curve really shows this behaviour too.
Looking at my latest dyno
sheet, the 13g also start to fall off in boost at
4800 but not thatt much
as the 9b's. At 6000 I had about 0.1 bar more than a
2nd gen 3000GT with 9b's.
> BTW,
thanks for the very informative web page.
My pleasure... just stay tuned
for my major update. It takes more time that
I expected as there are many
informations I have to work over :) One page
will then come with the
information we just depating over and it should
clarify some questions
regarding staged upgrades. Also the turbo basisc
will become more
information that also includes exhaust and, especially
fuel related stuff
and technical information regarding on stuff to keep the
combustion chamber
cold enough. I will also add a little cataloge from RTEC
but only for
european customers. Of course the project page will be heavily
increased but
I'm still waiting for the new 3.3 megapixel camera so the
future pics will
be of better quality.
For the staged upgrades, I think we forgot to
mention that it is necessary
to regap the plugs down to 0.032 - 0.034". This
is to prevent any ignition
problems we run in when boost is increased to
around 14-15psi peak. At this
time you can replace the plug wires as well
but it is not necessary if they
car is not at 60k.
Roger
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:38:17
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From: "Donnelly, Michael" <
DonnellM@ctc.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Hesitation
I still don't know what to make of my hesitation
problem. Now I am starting
to think that it isn't the ECU since it's
been much more than 30 miles since
it started happening. I drove more
than 30 miles just to get the thing home
from where the timing belt was
serviced. There's that and it needed to be
reset after the timing belt
was replaced.
Basically what happens is the car will miss and
hesitate when I start to
accelerate, either from a standing start or after
down shifting (its
basically happens at higher loads at higher RPM's).
It almost seems to me
that the timing isn't being advanced properly or the
increase need for fuel
isn't being met or injected at the proper time.
Since I had my timing belt
replaced it might be easy to say that it was not
properly timed but the car
was having this problem before the belt was
replaced. One interesting fact
is that the problem isn't as bad
when the engine is cold. Another fact is
that the engine will on
occasion start to correct and run smoothly after it
hesitates for a
while.
If it isn't the ignition timing, could it be that the
engine is running
lean? The next chance I get I will pull the plugs and
see how they look.
Sometimes I need to ask the stupid questions first like
could it be possible
that all I need to do is replace the fuel filter?
Another thing I have
noticed is the exhaust pipes have been looking rather
black. Could it be
that it is running too fat instead of lean? Or
could it be the raw fuel
that wasn't consumed in the combustion chamber when
the car was missing?
Thanks for your help, this whole thing is
starting to get me frustrated. It
seems I can't get the 'need fixed'
list eliminated.
Michael Donnelly
94' R/T TT
Stock, 1-2
syncro needs replaced, hesitation
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 08:42:50
-0500
From: "Michael D. Crose" <
ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Timing belt tensioning tool and end yoke
holder
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there that will let me borrow these tools for 3 or 4 days over Christmas
vacation? Not much of a vacation for me I have to move and find time
to do the 60k mile
service.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:42:21
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Hesitation
> I still don't know what to make of my
hesitation
> problem. Now I am starting to think that it
>
isn't the ECU since it's been much more than
> 30 miles since it started
happening. I drove
> more than 30 miles just to get the thing
home
> from where the timing belt was serviced.
Have you had a
dealer hook a scan tool up to it and see if there are any
trouble
codes? Sounds like a bad coil pack or bad plug wires, both
of
which should set a "misfire" trouble code at a minimum.
How many
miles on the car? Original plug wires and plugs?
One of my Eclipses
exhibited the same symptoms and replacing the plug wires
solved the
problem.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:01:00
+0100
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Safe HP Help Pt II
> > I have decided to stick with
Boost Cont., Exhaust, K&N,
> > and more than likely a BOV..
If I do get into gutting the
> > Cats, again where should I go?
There is just so little
> > around here for trustworthy
performance.. I know Speed
> > Tech has experience with the
3000's as I have seen a
> > couple VR4's w/their work ..But again, This
is like the
> > McDonalds of Performance Car shops around
here..
>
>Start with the other things and leave the pre-cats for
last. There's a bit
>to be gained in turbo response by gutting them,
but there's quite a bit of
>effort involved in doing it. Having a
shop do it will cost a good amount of
>labor dollars. I personally
recommend keeping the main cat intact, or
>upgrading it to a
higher-flowing version. They are relatively cheap, and
>having one
will help avoid potential problems with "the man".
I do not fully agree
with your choice and Matts advice.
This because the major restriction in the
exhaust path are the precats. BC,
filter and BOV (only if really necessary,
i.e. owl-sound) are good but then
an exhaust (called "cat-back") doesn't
help a lot if any. In fact it is
only sound in the below 16 psi boost
area.
Therefore, Stage 1 is good without any exhaust modification. Then
you can
add some exhaust parts but you should do the whole path at once. Get
a
Stillen downpipe that removes the front precat and let an exhaust shop do
the gutting of the rear precat while they install the downpipe. If
necessary, you can add a high flow cat, but it must be welded in and runs
for about $200 the cat alone. Then you can decide for a bolt-on exhaust
that profits from the opened front now. Only this will free up some
horsepower even at the same boost level.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:30:59
+0100
From: "Mikael Kenson" <
vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Team3S: Getrag +
Redline
Hi,
The Supra guys also have Getrag transmissions and some
of them reports
problems with syncros in combination with Redline oil.
Redline even admits
there is a problem with the Getrag/Redline combo. Below
is the response from
Redline. Maybe this is something that we should take
into consideration as
well...
-
-------------------------------
Regarding the use of D4ATF in Supra Turbo
Getrag transmissions, '93-'98.
At this time we do not recommend the use
of any Red Line product in these
particular transmissions. The recommendation
of D4ATF in these transmissions
was determined based on the original type
fluid used. The D4ATF uses the
same additive chemistry as the OEM V160
fluid.
At this time we don't fully understand why the fluid requirements
are so
critical and why the design of the transmission is so sensitive as
to
require the exact specific fluid. Where the replacement of a Dexron
III
fluid, the V160 with the D4ATF also a Dexron III fluid would cause
any
degradation of performance. We are further evaluating the transmission
and
the effects of fluid on it's operation.
From this point on, we
recommend only the OEM V160 fluid be used.
Regards, Dave
Red Line
Oil
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:31:14
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Safe HP Help Pt II
> Get a Stillen downpipe that removes
the front precat
> and let an exhaust shop do the gutting of the
rear
> precat while they install the downpipe. If
> necessary, you
can add a high flow cat, but it must
> be welded in and runs for about
$200 the cat alone.
The problem with the Stillen pipe is that it
elminates the main cat.
That'll be illegal in all 50 states and you won't
pass emissions tests if
they are required in your area. If you are just
going to cut up the Stillen
pipe to put a cat on it, then you might as well
get the Alamo downpipe and
gut the front pre-cat yourself (the front one is
relatively painless with it
removed from the car). At least that way
you have flanges on the downpipe
to be able to use a high-flow main cat and
swap on a test pipe if you decide
to drag race with leaded race fuel once in
a while.
If anyone is considering the removal of the cats, at least
educate yourself
on the possible implications so you can make an informed
decision about
doing it:
http://www.off-road.com/dodge/tech/Emissions_Legal.htm-
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:34:45
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Getrag + Redline
> The Supra guys also have Getrag
transmissions and some
> of them reports problems with syncros in
combination
> with Redline oil. Redline even admits there is
a
> problem with the Getrag/Redline combo. Below is
> the response
from Redline. Maybe this is something
> that we should take into
consideration as well...
They are talking about ATF - automatic
transmission fluid. We don't have
Getrag automatics, so it shouldn't be
an issue.
> -------------------------------
> Regarding the use
of D4ATF in Supra Turbo Getrag
> transmissions,
'93-'98.
<snip>
> Where the replacement of a Dexron
III fluid, the
> V160 with the D4ATF also a Dexron III fluid
would
<snip>
Dextron III = ATF.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT
Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:46:07
-0600
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by Dana
I sent the message below over
the weekend. Except for a couple of comments,
this post has been ignored by
both lists. I can only assume that acquiring
parts for our transmissions is
not a burning issue to anyone on the list
except for those few people who
have a broken transmission at this very
moment.
OK, I can take a
hint. I'll write a letter to Joe on my own behalf.
Is there anyone out
there who can sum up the status of replacement parts
for the six-speed
transmission? What's the official Getrag position? When I
ask Joe for help,
I'd like to be accurate.
To keep from boring everyone on the list with a
subject that apparently is
not very interesting, please send any info to me
off-list at
merritt@cedar-rapids.net.
Thanks.
Rich/old
poop
_______________________________
Here's the post I sent over the
weekend:
This may be a break for us.
Dana Corp has purchased Getrag.
See the press release below.
We may have much more luck pressuring Dana to
make transmission parts
available than we do dealing with a faraway stuck-up
German company.
We can start calling/e-mailing CEO Joe Magliochetti and
bugging the
beegeezus out of him right away, or we can launch a carefully
orchestrated
campaign.
I suggest we start by asking somebody like
Jack T or anyone else who has
delved deeply into the synchro parts problem to
lay out the facts for us,
and then -- and only then -- we should bombard Joe
with phone calls,
e-mails and letters, pleading for him to make our parts
available. Any spin
wizards out there have any other suggestions on how to do
this? Let's not
go off the deep end until we get our weapons lined up, and
then let's hit
them with an avalanche. This issue affects EVERYONE on these
3S lists, so
we should do it right.
The floor is now open for
discussion on how to proceed.
Rich/old poop
Dana Completes
Agreement to Acquire Interest in European Manufacturer
Toledo, OH -- Nov 09,
2000 -- Dana Corporation (NYSE: DCN) today announced
that it has completed
the purchase of an interest in GETRAG Getriebe- und
Zahnradfabrik Hermann
Hagenmeyer GmbH & Cie, a manufacturer of
transmissions, transaxles,
axles, and other automotive components.
Headquartered in Ludwigsburg,
Germany, the company had sales of $750
million in 1999. Financial terms of
the agreement were not disclosed.
"This relationship will support our
global growth strategy for the
passenger car market, and enhance our focus on
advanced automotive
technologies," said Dana Chairman and CEO Joe
Magliochetti. "GETRAG has a
highly skilled workforce and a solid reputation
for precision engineering,
quality, and innovation. We have great respect for
this fine organization
and we are excited about expanding Dana's relationship
with GETRAG."
Dana acquired a 30-percent stake in GETRAG Cie, the parent
company of the
GETRAG group of companies, and a 49-percent stake in GETRAG's
North
American operations. Bill Carroll, president of Dana's Automotive
Systems
Group, will be on the Advisory Board of GETRAG GmbH & Cie.
"This strategic partnership strengthens Dana's automotive
offerings
globally, and particularly enhances our opportunities in the
European
passenger car market," Mr. Carroll said.
"Strategically,
this transaction is very similar to our recent
collaboration with GKN to
produce advanced driveline technologies. GETRAG's
transaxle and gear
manufacturing technologies are highly complementary to
our expertise and will
enable us to further develop our under-the-vehicle
technology, products, and
systems," he added.
Dana and GETRAG will establish a joint technology
council to explore ways
to further advance automotive applications for design
and technology. The
two companies also will create a joint marketing council
to bring the
resulting new products and innovations to market rapidly.
In addition to strategic alliances with GETRAG and GKN, Dana also
recently
announced an alliance with Motorola, Inc., aimed at enhancing
product
performance and reliability. Electronics leader Motorola will provide
Dana
with access to advanced electronics technology. In return, Dana
will
incorporate this technology within its advanced chassis, drivetrain,
and
engine systems and will leverage its expertise in infrastructure to
take
these new products to market.
GETRAG is a major supplier to the
European automotive industry and has an
excellent reputation for the quality
of its products and technologies. The
company employs some 5,000 people in 11
manufacturing facilities worldwide.
Its major customers include Audi, BMW,
DaimlerChrysler, Ford, GM/Opel,
Jaguar, Porsche, and Volkswagen.
Dana
Corporation is one of the world's largest independent suppliers to
vehicle
manufacturers and their related aftermarkets. Founded in 1904 and
based in
Toledo, Ohio, the company operates some 320 major facilities in 32
countries
and employs more than 80,000 people. The company reported sales
of $13.2
billion in 1999. Dana's Internet address is
www.dana.com .
Large media
outlets:
Gary Corrigan, V.P. - Corporate Communications
(419)
535-4813
Gary.Corrigan@Dana.comJeff
Cole, Manager, Marketing Communications
(419) 535-4704
Jeff.Cole@Dana.comSmall to midsize
media outlets:
Denise LaFleur, Communications Specialist
Denise.LaFleur@Dana.com(419)
535-4500
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:56:34
-0700
From: "Ken Wheeler" <
kenwheeler@phoenixdsl.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by Dana
I feel your pain. I
asked a similar question regarding pedal adjustment and
how it should
feel. Not a single response. Well, I've burned up one brand
new
clutch due to a mis-adjusted pedal and I hope not to burn up
another
one.
Ken
'92 RT/TT
'67 Mustang.
BTW, I don't have
an answer to your tranny question. :)
- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "Merritt" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To:
<
stealth@starnet.net>; <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"xwing"
<
xwing@execpc.com>
Sent: Wednesday,
December 06, 2000 8:46 AM
Subject: Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by
Dana
> I sent the message below over the weekend. Except for a
couple of
comments,
> this post has been ignored by both lists. I can
only assume that acquiring
> parts for our transmissions is not a burning
issue to anyone on the list
> except for those few people who have a
broken transmission at this very
> moment.
>
> OK, I can take
a hint. I'll write a letter to Joe on my own behalf.
>
> Is there
anyone out there who can sum up the status of replacement parts
> for the
six-speed transmission? What's the official Getrag position? When
I
>
ask Joe for help, I'd like to be accurate.
>
> To keep from boring
everyone on the list with a subject that apparently is
> not very
interesting, please send any info to me off-list at
>
merritt@cedar-rapids.net.
>
>
Thanks.
> Rich/old poop
> _______________________________
>
Here's the post I sent over the weekend:
>
> This may be a break for
us.
> Dana Corp has purchased Getrag. See the press release below.
>
We may have much more luck pressuring Dana to make transmission parts
>
available than we do dealing with a faraway stuck-up German
company.
>
> We can start calling/e-mailing CEO Joe Magliochetti and
bugging the
> beegeezus out of him right away, or we can launch a
carefully orchestrated
> campaign.
>
> I suggest we start by
asking somebody like Jack T or anyone else who has
> delved deeply into
the synchro parts problem to lay out the facts for us,
> and then -- and
only then -- we should bombard Joe with phone calls,
> e-mails and
letters, pleading for him to make our parts available. Any
spin
>
wizards out there have any other suggestions on how to do this? Let's
not
> go off the deep end until we get our weapons lined up, and then
let's hit
> them with an avalanche. This issue affects EVERYONE on these
3S lists, so
> we should do it right.
>
> The floor is now
open for discussion on how to proceed.
>
> Rich/old
poop
>
> Dana Completes Agreement to Acquire Interest in European
Manufacturer
> Toledo, OH -- Nov 09, 2000 -- Dana Corporation (NYSE: DCN)
today announced
> that it has completed the purchase of an interest in
GETRAG Getriebe- und
> Zahnradfabrik Hermann Hagenmeyer GmbH & Cie, a
manufacturer of
> transmissions, transaxles, axles, and other automotive
components.
> Headquartered in Ludwigsburg, Germany, the company had sales
of $750
> million in 1999. Financial terms of the agreement were not
disclosed.
>
> "This relationship will support our global growth
strategy for the
> passenger car market, and enhance our focus on advanced
automotive
> technologies," said Dana Chairman and CEO Joe Magliochetti.
"GETRAG has a
> highly skilled workforce and a solid reputation for
precision engineering,
> quality, and innovation. We have great respect
for this fine organization
> and we are excited about expanding Dana's
relationship with GETRAG."
>
> Dana acquired a 30-percent stake in
GETRAG Cie, the parent company of the
> GETRAG group of companies, and a
49-percent stake in GETRAG's North
> American operations. Bill Carroll,
president of Dana's Automotive Systems
> Group, will be on the Advisory
Board of GETRAG GmbH & Cie.
>
> "This strategic partnership
strengthens Dana's automotive offerings
> globally, and particularly
enhances our opportunities in the European
> passenger car market," Mr.
Carroll said.
>
> "Strategically, this transaction is very similar
to our recent
> collaboration with GKN to produce advanced driveline
technologies.
GETRAG's
> transaxle and gear manufacturing technologies
are highly complementary to
> our expertise and will enable us to further
develop our under-the-vehicle
> technology, products, and systems," he
added.
>
> Dana and GETRAG will establish a joint technology council
to explore ways
> to further advance automotive applications for design
and technology. The
> two companies also will create a joint marketing
council to bring the
> resulting new products and innovations to market
rapidly.
>
> In addition to strategic alliances with GETRAG and GKN,
Dana also recently
> announced an alliance with Motorola, Inc., aimed at
enhancing product
> performance and reliability. Electronics leader
Motorola will provide Dana
> with access to advanced electronics
technology. In return, Dana will
> incorporate this technology within its
advanced chassis, drivetrain, and
> engine systems and will leverage its
expertise in infrastructure to take
> these new products to
market.
>
> GETRAG is a major supplier to the European automotive
industry and has an
> excellent reputation for the quality of its products
and technologies. The
> company employs some 5,000 people in 11
manufacturing facilities
worldwide.
> Its major customers include Audi,
BMW, DaimlerChrysler, Ford, GM/Opel,
> Jaguar, Porsche, and
Volkswagen.
>
> Dana Corporation is one of the world's largest
independent suppliers to
> vehicle manufacturers and their related
aftermarkets. Founded in 1904 and
> based in Toledo, Ohio, the company
operates some 320 major facilities in
32
> countries and employs more
than 80,000 people. The company reported sales
> of $13.2 billion in 1999.
Dana's Internet address is
www.dana.com
.
>
>
>
> Large media outlets:
>
> Gary
Corrigan, V.P. - Corporate Communications
> (419) 535-4813
Gary.Corrigan@Dana.com>
>
Jeff Cole, Manager, Marketing Communications
> (419) 535-4704
Jeff.Cole@Dana.com>
> Small to
midsize media outlets:
>
> Denise LaFleur, Communications
Specialist
>
Denise.LaFleur@Dana.com> (419)
535-4500
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:07:40
+0100
From: "Mikael Kenson" <
vr4@bahnhof.se>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Getrag + Redline
The Supra guys use ATF oil in the 6 speed Getrag
transaxle the problem they
have had is not on the automatic and Redline
clearly say that they don't
recommend ANY redline oil anymore for the
Getrag.
/Mikael
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jannusch,
Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Getrag + Redline
SNIP
They are talking about ATF -
automatic transmission fluid. We don't have
Getrag automatics, so it
shouldn't be an issue.
<snip>
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:01:31
-0600
From: "Thoms, Shane - SGIG" <
sthoms@cardinalcorp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by Dana
Grow up. These lists
are not obligated to respond to ANY questions.
Most of us will chime in when
we can and when it is appropriate. If
this isn't good or fast enough
for you, please leave.
Thank you,
Shane
I feel
your pain. I asked a similar question regarding pedal adjustment
and
how it should feel. Not a single response. Well, I've burned
up one brand
new clutch due to a mis-adjusted pedal and I hope not to burn up
another
one.
Ken
'92 RT/TT
'67 Mustang.
BTW, I don't have
an answer to your tranny question. :)
- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "Merritt" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To:
<
stealth@starnet.net>; <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"xwing"
<
xwing@execpc.com>
Sent: Wednesday,
December 06, 2000 8:46 AM
Subject: Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by
Dana
> I sent the message below over the weekend. Except for a
couple of
comments,
> this post has been ignored by both lists. I can
only assume that acquiring
> parts for our transmissions is not a burning
issue to anyone on the list
> except for those few people who have a
broken transmission at this very
> moment.
>
> OK, I can take
a hint. I'll write a letter to Joe on my own behalf.
>
> Is there
anyone out there who can sum up the status of replacement parts
> for the
six-speed transmission? What's the official Getrag position? When
I
>
ask Joe for help, I'd like to be accurate.
>
> To keep from boring
everyone on the list with a subject that apparently is
> not very
interesting, please send any info to me off-list at
>
merritt@cedar-rapids.net.
>
>
Thanks.
> Rich/old poop
> _______________________________
>
Here's the post I sent over the weekend:
>
> This may be a break for
us.
> Dana Corp has purchased Getrag. See the press release below.
>
We may have much more luck pressuring Dana to make transmission parts
>
available than we do dealing with a faraway stuck-up German
company.
>
> We can start calling/e-mailing CEO Joe Magliochetti and
bugging the
> beegeezus out of him right away, or we can launch a
carefully orchestrated
> campaign.
>
> I suggest we start by
asking somebody like Jack T or anyone else who has
> delved deeply into
the synchro parts problem to lay out the facts for us,
> and then -- and
only then -- we should bombard Joe with phone calls,
> e-mails and
letters, pleading for him to make our parts available. Any
spin
>
wizards out there have any other suggestions on how to do this? Let's
not
> go off the deep end until we get our weapons lined up, and then
let's hit
> them with an avalanche. This issue affects EVERYONE on these
3S lists, so
> we should do it right.
>
> The floor is now
open for discussion on how to proceed.
>
> Rich/old
poop
>
> Dana Completes Agreement to Acquire Interest in European
Manufacturer
> Toledo, OH -- Nov 09, 2000 -- Dana Corporation (NYSE: DCN)
today announced
> that it has completed the purchase of an interest in
GETRAG Getriebe- und
> Zahnradfabrik Hermann Hagenmeyer GmbH & Cie, a
manufacturer of
> transmissions, transaxles, axles, and other automotive
components.
> Headquartered in Ludwigsburg, Germany, the company had sales
of $750
> million in 1999. Financial terms of the agreement were not
disclosed.
>
> "This relationship will support our global growth
strategy for the
> passenger car market, and enhance our focus on advanced
automotive
> technologies," said Dana Chairman and CEO Joe Magliochetti.
"GETRAG has a
> highly skilled workforce and a solid reputation for
precision engineering,
> quality, and innovation. We have great respect
for this fine organization
> and we are excited about expanding Dana's
relationship with GETRAG."
>
> Dana acquired a 30-percent stake in
GETRAG Cie, the parent company of the
> GETRAG group of companies, and a
49-percent stake in GETRAG's North
> American operations. Bill Carroll,
president of Dana's Automotive Systems
> Group, will be on the Advisory
Board of GETRAG GmbH & Cie.
>
> "This strategic partnership
strengthens Dana's automotive offerings
> globally, and particularly
enhances our opportunities in the European
> passenger car market," Mr.
Carroll said.
>
> "Strategically, this transaction is very similar
to our recent
> collaboration with GKN to produce advanced driveline
technologies.
GETRAG's
> transaxle and gear manufacturing technologies
are highly complementary to
> our expertise and will enable us to further
develop our under-the-vehicle
> technology, products, and systems," he
added.
>
> Dana and GETRAG will establish a joint technology council
to explore ways
> to further advance automotive applications for design
and technology. The
> two companies also will create a joint marketing
council to bring the
> resulting new products and innovations to market
rapidly.
>
> In addition to strategic alliances with GETRAG and GKN,
Dana also recently
> announced an alliance with Motorola, Inc., aimed at
enhancing product
> performance and reliability. Electronics leader
Motorola will provide Dana
> with access to advanced electronics
technology. In return, Dana will
> incorporate this technology within its
advanced chassis, drivetrain, and
> engine systems and will leverage its
expertise in infrastructure to take
> these new products to
market.
>
> GETRAG is a major supplier to the European automotive
industry and has an
> excellent reputation for the quality of its products
and technologies. The
> company employs some 5,000 people in 11
manufacturing facilities
worldwide.
> Its major customers include Audi,
BMW, DaimlerChrysler, Ford, GM/Opel,
> Jaguar, Porsche, and
Volkswagen.
>
> Dana Corporation is one of the world's largest
independent suppliers to
> vehicle manufacturers and their related
aftermarkets. Founded in 1904 and
> based in Toledo, Ohio, the company
operates some 320 major facilities in
32
> countries and employs more
than 80,000 people. The company reported sales
> of $13.2 billion in 1999.
Dana's Internet address is
www.dana.com
.
>
>
>
> Large media outlets:
>
> Gary
Corrigan, V.P. - Corporate Communications
> (419) 535-4813
Gary.Corrigan@Dana.com>
>
Jeff Cole, Manager, Marketing Communications
> (419) 535-4704
Jeff.Cole@Dana.com>
> Small to
midsize media outlets:
>
> Denise LaFleur, Communications
Specialist
>
Denise.LaFleur@Dana.com> (419)
535-4500
>
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:03:09
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Getrag + Redline
> The Supra guys use ATF oil in the 6
speed Getrag transaxle
> the problem they have had is not on the
automatic and
> Redline clearly say that they don't recommend ANY
>
redline oil anymore for the Getrag.
Okay, we don't use ATF in our Getrag
6-speeds. The Supra 6-speed is NOT the
same as our 6-speed.
Redline doesn't recommend their fluids for the Getrag
in the SUPRA.
Doesn't have anything to do with 3/S cars. So folks don't
need to worry
about draining Redline fluids out of their trannies if they
are using
it.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:10:03
-0800
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Once again: Getrag bought by Dana
Merritt
As I recall, as of about
a year ago, Getrag no longer builds or sells parts for
our transmissions ----
they sold the postproduction support to some other
company. If they didn't
care before they sure as hell won't care
now.
Jim
Berry
===============================================
- -----
Original Message -----
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>
I sent the message below over the weekend. Except for a couple of
comments,
> this post has been ignored by both lists. I can only assume
that acquiring
> parts for our transmissions is not a burning issue to
anyone on the list
> except for those few people who have a broken
transmission at this very
> moment.
>
> OK, I can take a
hint. I'll write a letter to Joe on my own behalf.
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:20:13
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by Dana
Common Shane, that sounds
like a flame to me!
I think everybody got up cranky this
morning!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thoms, Shane -
SGIG [
SMTP:sthoms@cardinalcorp.com]
>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:02 AM
> To:
stealth@starnet.net;
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by Dana
>
>
>
> Grow up. These lists are not obligated to respond to ANY
questions.
> Most of us will chime in when we can and when it is
appropriate. If
> this isn't good or fast enough for you, please
leave.
>
> Thank you,
> Shane
>
>
>
>
>
> I feel your pain. I asked a similar question
regarding pedal adjustment
> and
> how it should feel. Not a
single response. Well, I've burned up one
> brand
> new clutch
due to a mis-adjusted pedal and I hope not to burn up another
>
one.
>
> Ken
> '92 RT/TT
> '67 Mustang.
>
> BTW, I don't have an answer to your tranny question. :)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Merritt" <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
>
To: <
stealth@starnet.net>; <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"xwing"
> <
xwing@execpc.com>
> Sent: Wednesday,
December 06, 2000 8:46 AM
> Subject: Team3S: Once again: Getrag bought by
Dana
>
>
> > I sent the message below over the weekend.
Except for a couple of
> comments,
> > this post has been ignored
by both lists. I can only assume that
> acquiring
> > parts for
our transmissions is not a burning issue to anyone on the list
> >
except for those few people who have a broken transmission at this very
>
> moment.
> >
> > OK, I can take a hint. I'll write a
letter to Joe on my own behalf.
> >
> > Is there anyone out
there who can sum up the status of replacement parts
> > for the
six-speed transmission? What's the official Getrag position?
>
When
> I
> > ask Joe for help, I'd like to be accurate.
>
>
> > To keep from boring everyone on the list with a subject that
apparently
> is
> > not very interesting, please send any info to
me off-list at
> >
merritt@cedar-rapids.net.
>
>
> > Thanks.
> > Rich/old poop
> >
_______________________________
> > Here's the post I sent over the
weekend:
> >
> > This may be a break for us.
> > Dana
Corp has purchased Getrag. See the press release below.
> > We may have
much more luck pressuring Dana to make transmission parts
> > available
than we do dealing with a faraway stuck-up German company.
> >
>
> We can start calling/e-mailing CEO Joe Magliochetti and bugging the
>
> beegeezus out of him right away, or we can launch a carefully
>
orchestrated
> > campaign.
> >
> > I suggest we start
by asking somebody like Jack T or anyone else who has
> > delved deeply
into the synchro parts problem to lay out the facts for
> us,
> >
and then -- and only then -- we should bombard Joe with phone calls,
>
> e-mails and letters, pleading for him to make our parts available.
Any
> spin
> > wizards out there have any other suggestions on
how to do this? Let's
> not
> > go off the deep end until we get
our weapons lined up, and then let's
> hit
> > them with an
avalanche. This issue affects EVERYONE on these 3S lists,
> so
>
> we should do it right.
> >
> > The floor is now open for
discussion on how to proceed.
> >
> > Rich/old poop
>
>
> > Dana Completes Agreement to Acquire Interest in European
Manufacturer
> > Toledo, OH -- Nov 09, 2000 -- Dana Corporation (NYSE:
DCN) today
> announced
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