team3s            Sunday, November 19 2000            Volume 01 : Number 327




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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:07:07 -0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: RE: Subject: Team3S: OBD-II Diagnostic Computer availability-

Hello Kenneth and Everyone Else,

That is great if it works on the 94-5 years.  Maybe some of the experts on
the list can tell us something about it and which models it works on.  I'm
talking to my brother right now to see if we can help you a bit so you can
increase the bid price in case anybody decides to give you some competition.
Regardless, I believe none of us from the LIST should try to outbid Kenneth,
or else the price is just going to go up with the increasing demand.  If
anything, we should help him out to make sure he gets the toy, and then
worry about the loan out aspects of tunning everybody's cars and who gets to
manage it.  I'll get back to you Kenneth and to everyone else as to how much
my brother and I will pitch in if it works on our 94-5 cars.

- -MIKE-         aa2345@wayne.edu
95 Red VR4

John, brother   iraicu@cs.wayne.edu
94 Pearl Yellow TT

Detroit Metro Area, Michigan

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From: OrangeFell@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: OBD-II Diagnostic Computer availability-

Hello group-

As of late there has been much discussion of datalogging and tracing the
information coupled in the factory diagnostics of the 94+ 3/S cars.  I, like
many of you, are at a loss in the means of capable tuning with the means
available to the later year models.

Talk has been generated of reverse engineering the software from the scan
tool.  As of yet, no one has stepped up to locate one.

Well, by what was quite a stroke of luck, I have located a MUT-II diagnostic
computer for sale on Ebay.  While this may not be the most reliabile of
sources of reciept of such a tool, I'm quite willing to take a chance on it.

I've contacted the seller reguarding his reserve price, and I have placed a
nominal bid in an attempt to show true interest.  The reserve isn't broken,
but at this point, depending on what he's asking, if I can't justify it by
myself, I would think that a collection of those interested in such a
project
coming to frutition would be able to front what may possibly be one heck of
a
small investment for the gain of all.

Either way, I would have no problem donating the unit for the greater cause,
and those most interested in working on this project can and should have
open
use to it to figure out just what it is that we can gain from that little
gray jack under the steering wheel.

Anyways, I might be a tad nuts.  If you think so, please let me know.  Any
way that it can be looked at however, we're gonna have a new toy to play
with.

Back to the business at hand-

Kenneth


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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:11:57 EST
From: OrangeFell@aol.com
Subject: RE: Subject: Team3S: OBD-II Diagnostic Computer availability-

What to say-

Well, first, about the unit itself.  At this time, I have learned the reserve
price on the scanner, and it is well within my initial means to purchase the
item.  I have offered up his reserve and somewhat more to purcahse the
computer outright.  If this doesn't satisfy the current owner, well then
we'll just have to sit and wait until the end of the auction.

I will say that the number of emails and associated IM conversations I've
gotten on this thus far is really appreciated, and everybody has good ideas
and thoughts at this point. 

As to the fact of the final price, since as it stands, I was willing to
purchase the unit for the price offered anyways, I'm willing to front that
for the group for what it's given me.  If it goes outside of those bounds,
I'll let you all in on it so that we don't lose this thing. 

To Mike and all the other programmers- as I believe I said before, anyone
willing to try their hand at programming us up a datalogger will have this as
a resource, for as long as it is needed to either make us such a package or
until it is decided impossible for the 94+ cars.  So start cracking your
knuckles and taking your carple tunnel medication, because you're gonna have
some work to do... ;)

When it's all said and done though, any and all who need the use of the
computer will be at liberty to use it- a sort of lending library of sorts.  I
know there are a few sets of the timing belt tools and those types of
hardwares in circulation, let this be yet another.  I myself have already
plotted my tuning path beyond using the factory ECU and it's limitations, but
for the fact that there will always be someone here that will need this tool,
let it be that we're going to have one for their use.

More info as I have it,

Kenneth

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:19:16 EST
From: OrangeFell@aol.com
Subject: RE: Subject: Team3S: OBD-II Diagnostic Computer availability-

Scratch that.

It appears that the item has taken up some interest.  A couple look
resoundingly familiar, but I'll leave that alone. 

If you would like to donate towards the purchase of this unit, feel free to
contact me.  As it stands at this time, I will donate double as is right now.
 Something more would be greatly appreciated as insurance for reciept of this
tool.

Thank you all again-

Kenneth

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:43:01 -0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Crankshaft

Probably need a new oil pan.  I think that was an issue during the design of
the new corvette engine due to the higher revs it is capable of and the
cornering forces it can see.
Since the aftermarket hasn't really caught on for this car, it may have to
be a custom job.  I think the second gen cranks were nitrided and are a bit
stronger then first gen cranks---may be wrong though, just what I have
heard.......

Sam

From: Jim Berry <fastmax@home.com>
To: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>; UNCLEDONUT@aol.com
<UNCLEDONUT@aol.com>
Cc: team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Crankshaft


>>
>> And yes, I roasted #6 rod bearing..oil starvation in high G turns.
>
>
>Hmmmm bad stuff ----- and the solution will be ????????????
>
>
>        Jim berry
>
>
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:58:47 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Subject: Team3S: OBD-II Diagnostic Computer availability-

> If you would like to donate towards the purchase of
> this unit, feel free to contact me.  As it stands at
> this time, I will donate double as is right now.

Does this thing come with the ROM pack for 3000GT?  If it doesn't, it isn't
going to be worth a whole lot to us as a group.

Or is it one pack that covers all years?

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:10:16 -0800
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Hesitation at 0 psi

Lately I've noticed a fairly noticeable hesitation at about 0 psi.  It is
very repeatable (everytime I try to get it I can) and it's really annoying,
especially when I'm cruising on the freeway.  I am also averaging 14.5 mpg
or sometimes a little less.  When I run higher than stock boost I get very
rough feeling over 6000rpm, and sometimes it hesitates a little.  I've
noticed a gas-like smell sometimes (not all the time, just occasionally).

current relevant mods:
355 turbos
hks fuel pump
AVC-R (second gen)
Apex'i BOV
HK$ Super Drager
High-flow cat
ATR downpipe
Stillen Intake
Gutted pre-cats
upgraded y-pipe
magnacore wires
stock plugs with about 6k miles on them

My guess is a vacumn leak, does this sound right?  Any other suggestions are
appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris Maxwell
92 R/T TT


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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:52:27 -0500
From: "Kevin" <Kevin@pacarsearch.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hesitation at 0 psi

Are your plugs gapped down to .032" - .034"  Could be causing your stumbling
at high RPM.  Also do a pressure check to make sure you don't have any leaks
which could be making the car run rich at boost.

Good luck,
Kevin Schappell

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From: Chris Maxwell <shmacker@home.com>
To: <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>; <stealth@stls.verio.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 12:10 AM
Subject: Team3S: Hesitation at 0 psi


> Lately I've noticed a fairly noticeable hesitation at about 0 psi.  It is
> very repeatable (everytime I try to get it I can) and it's really
annoying,
> especially when I'm cruising on the freeway.  I am also averaging 14.5 mpg
> or sometimes a little less.  When I run higher than stock boost I get very
> rough feeling over 6000rpm, and sometimes it hesitates a little.  I've
> noticed a gas-like smell sometimes (not all the time, just occasionally).
>
> current relevant mods:
> 355 turbos
> hks fuel pump
> AVC-R (second gen)
> Apex'i BOV
> HK$ Super Drager
> High-flow cat
> ATR downpipe
> Stillen Intake
> Gutted pre-cats
> upgraded y-pipe
> magnacore wires
> stock plugs with about 6k miles on them
>
> My guess is a vacumn leak, does this sound right?  Any other suggestions
are
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Maxwell
> 92 R/T TT
>
>
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 00:49:17 EST
From: DOWNDRIVEN1@cs.com
Subject: Team3S: headlights

does any one know if you can interchange the new headlight style with the old
one. I have a 1992 VR4 and would like to convert it to the new headlight
style. are there any aftermarket ones that look close to the stock ones?  Alex

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 02:29:00 -0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Transmission Problem

Jim,

I was browsing on the internet and I found some recall info.  I don't know
if your car has this exact problem, but it may be a starting point and
something you can show the dealer.

If you go to the following link, you will see other recall info on 95 Mitsu
3000GT cars.

I got it from http://www.3000gt.com/1995gt.htm

quote
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Service Bulletin Number: TSB97-23-008
Bulletin Sequence Number:
Date of Bulletin: 9706
NHTSA Item Number: SB052661
Make: MITSUBISHI
Model: 3000GT
Year: 1995
Component: POWER TRAIN:TRANSMISSION:AUTOMATIC
Summary: SHIFT CHARACTERISTICS OF F4A SERIES A/T. *TW
- ----------------------------------------------------

Good luck,

- -MIKE-          aa2345@wayne.edu
95 Red VR4
Apexi AVC-R Electronic Boost Controller
K&N FIPK, Boost Gauge, EGT Meter
G Teck 0-60 (4.9 sec) Top speed after mods 169 mph

Detroit Metro Area, Michigan
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:03:45 -0800
From: "Jim" <devlin@jobe.net>
Subject: Team3S: Transmission Problem

Hi Guys, I have a problem with my transmission.  I have a
95 GT-SL with automatic trans.  The car has 83,000 miles on
it. When I try to pass a car on the highway, the car feels
like it slips into netrual, the tach revs, then when I let
off the gas a bit, it catches again. Also when Im driving
around town, it feels like Im driving a stick shift in
second gear. The trans acts like its braking or slowing me
down. Its not making any noises, or clunking when I put it
into gear. Any help would be great. I just bought the car a
few weeks ago, so its still under guarantee.

Thanks Jim, Missouri


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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 00:45:26 -0600
From: "john adams" <johnqadamsiii@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Transmission Troubles

Greetings new member to the list. I am new as well, and in case
my last post regarding this matter didn't make it, let me know
and ill repost or email it. But, to follow up: I recently
bought a 93 stealth ES with auto transmission. Everything
was going great until on the way home from the inspection
station the trans. starts slipping in and out of gears, like
its low on fluid. So, after a bit of diagnosing, draining, and lastly
flushing
of the fluid, i came to realize the trans. cooler line is clogged
within the bottom of the radiator. This is definitely an area
to keep in mind when servicing the radiator in general, as
apparently these do sometimes clog! And it isn't good.
 At any rate, in the midst of flushing the old fluid completely out
i realized an easy solution to going about it and not requiring
two people, an expensive flusher, or taking it into the shop
to have it done, which ive heard could cost even as high as 160 dollars
on front wheel drive transmissions like these.
 What i have is a variation on the process one person submitted
to the allpar website. So for anyone interested (and im not
even aware of what rides in the 3000gt, so this may not as closely apply):
- -first remove the drain plug on the bottom of the tranny
  and drain out all of the fluid, which i think would be close to 3-4 quarts
+/-.
  (it may also be a good idea to replace the filter at this time[with a
MOPAR brand filter])
- -second, replace cap, refill with (in this case) mopar plus/ATF+3 or +4/7176
with the proper amount.
- -then, remove the driver's side (return) cooler line at the bottom of the
radiator
and attach a 3/8" ID size clear piece of tubing of around 4 or 5 feet in
length,
along with a hose clamp.  Route the tubing under the front of the car and
into
a bucket or other collection agency. Prior to flushing, mark the bucket in
quarts
up the side of it to evaluate your process along the way.
- - once you are set, start the car and place the trans. in neutral
in order to enact the pump. The flow of the fluid is rather
speedy, at around 1 pint per 2-3 seconds, in my rough guesstimation.
In other words, what youll need to do is run the car and then turn it off
shortly after to check your progress and then refill into the filler tube,
in order to maintain proper levels within the transmission.
You should end up pumping out around close to 5 quarts until
everthing is flushed, and the color of the fluid has returned to a
beautiful robust and shimmering red.
- - my particular flushing also varied in that the passage from the
transsmission to the
return line inside the radiator was clogged, so i ended up
disconnecting on the passenger side line midway between trans and
radiator. The tube simply hanged down into a 3 quart enamel ware
cooking pot i placed beneath. I ran the car in neutral, was able to eye the
front of the
vehicle for the proper level, and have time to return to cut the ignition. I
also
added a little bit of extra fluid into the pan for added insurance it
wouldnt run dry
so quickly (pouring while flusing is useless because of the very slow rate
of fluid
travel into the pan). After each point i replaced the same amount of fluid i
let out
(dumping the smaller containers contents into the larger bucket that wouldnt
fit
beneath the car). Perhaps the easiest way would be to start the engine
and let it run for just a handful of seconds, check the level, top off
appropriately at
the filler tube, and repeat until done. This to me seems like
quite an easy way of flushing the transmission, which replaces
all of the old fluid, not simply half or less through the typical drain
and refill process.
- - Also, the second method bypasses the need for a clear
bleeder hose connection.

 Good luck, fellow A/T owners.

- -john/stealth es



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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 01:11:05 -0600
From: "john adams" <johnqadamsiii@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Transmission Troubles

I would also like to clarify that
- -just a few seconds or more
should be sufficient to expunge close to two quarts.
- -If youve allowed for perhaps a pint extra inside
you certainly won't run the pan empty befor refilling.
- -on the stealth and i assume probably the 3000 as according to the manual
the 94 3000gt was the same as all dohc stealth vehicles and mentions diamond
fluid,
only use what is either called: ATF+3, ATF+4, MOPAR PLUS,  7176, or Diamond
ATF SP.
None of the other more common fluids are intended for these automatic 4
speeds and using
them will only 'end up kicking your ass', or you will end up kicking
yourself
in the ass for it soon!

regards,
john/Stealth ES



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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:04:43 +0100
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hesitation at 0 psi

Hmm, I'd say you have a O2 sensor that is going south or already sits there.
Therefore the car runs way too rich (for safety) and the engine is flooded
with fuel (bad mpg). Under vacuum condition this is noticeable but nto that
much. At pressure the fuel pressure is risen and therefore even more fuel is
sprayed in.

But also the MAS sensor could be out of good as well the ECU. Hard to say
without hooking up a diagnostic tool. I'd also check the FPR solenoid and
the hoses around it !

Hope this helps
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


> Lately I've noticed a fairly noticeable hesitation at about 0 psi.  It is
> very repeatable (everytime I try to get it I can) and it's really
annoying,
> especially when I'm cruising on the freeway.  I am also averaging 14.5 mpg
> or sometimes a little less.  When I run higher than stock boost I get very
> rough feeling over 6000rpm, and sometimes it hesitates a little.  I've
> noticed a gas-like smell sometimes (not all the time, just occasionally).



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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:28:59 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Any Experience With FMICs?

Does anyone on the list have any experience running a FMIC on open track
events? (that's a front-mounted intercooler for you non-turbo folks)

I am concerned that a FMIC would block airflow to the radiator, thus
resulting in even  more overheating than I am getting now.  I know that the
dragstrip boys run FMICs, but that's for a 11-second blast down the strip,
not for 20-30 minutes at a time under full boost on a road course.

As with all turbo cars, I am getting heat soaking on the stock
intercoolers, so I'm looking for a solution -- such as water mist
injection, bigger intercoolers or a FMIC. All suggestions from turbo folks
who have solved this problem are welcome.

Rich/94 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 twin turbo AWD


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