team3s
Wednesday, November 8
2000 Volume 01 :
Number
318
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Date:
Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:24:45 -0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Eibach Spring Rates
For anyone with a 1995 VR-4 with
automatic sunroof AND a Ground Control
coilover kit please reply.
I
have searched their site as well as Eibach's and can't find the listing
for
their kits in my car. Does anyone have a 95+ with auto sunroof
and
suspension mods? If so then what is it (Tein, Tokico, GAB, Koni,
etc.). I
have heard that there is moderate suspension bit differences
between the 95+
cars with manual and automatic sunroof.
-
--Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK, a Valentine One, and a custom spark
plug plate
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Barry E. King [
mailto:beking@home.com]
Sent: Monday,
November 06, 2000 9:20 PM
To: Team 3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: Eiback Spring
Rates
Eibach makes a whole pile of springs for various people to
various
specifications. Whether a given spring is designated for a VR4
or not may
not be known by Eibach, and in fact likely is not. I have no
doubt that the
only "Eibach" spring is as stated. This is the commodity
spring available
from Eibach off-the-shelf.
The Ground Control kits
use Eibach springs and come in any rate desired.
You specify the spring rate
at order placement and get what you want, just
maybe not *when* you want it
depending upon the production run Eibach is
doing at the time, GC stock and
the phases of Jupiter's moons.
I've got the same GC setup as Rich
complete with Eibach springs 'cept I
think mine are a bit lighter on the ass
end and come in spec'ed at 300 lbs.
Barry
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 09:02:09
-0800
From: Ken Middaugh <
Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Car won't start...Update 1
Hi Gang,
Last night, I
installed my buddies ECU. After more than normal cranking, then
engine
finally fired up (rich fuel smell like a "flooded" carb). So I thought
I
had pinpointed my problem to my ECU. I opened up the box, and it
looks new
inside. No visible corrosion or discoloration on either side
of the board. The
capacitors & chips "look" fine, no smells
either. When you folks talk about
leaky capacitors, are you referring
to an electical property in which they won't
hold a charge, or a visual
property in which they ooze their insides (like an
old dry-cell
battery)? Next, I plugged my ECU back in and lo and behold the
engine
started! I stopped it for a minute, then restarted. It ran for
another
30 seconds then shut off. It would not restart again although
the starter would
crank very strong. By this time, my friend had
completed reinstalling his unit,
so I couldn't swap his in again.
Perhaps I can coax him back tonight and we can
try my ECU in his car and
drive around for awhile. I guess this is the best and
cheapest way to
continue diagnosis. If my ECU causes his car to quit running,
it IS the
problem.
However, the other thing I suspect is perhaps my aftermarket
alarm ignition kill
feature is malfunctioning. I'm not sure I know how
to test this. It has it's
own bundle of wires tapped into the ECU
harness, a real mess. When I pulled my
ECU out, I had removed the
alarm's ground wire. Initially when I installed my
friend's ECU, I
didn't reconnect the alarm ground, so the starter wouldn't crank
and
solenoids were silent when I tried to start. I'm not sure if the
alarm, a
CodeAlarm NightHawk, has both an ignition kill and a
starter kill. I'll call
some alarm/stereo shops today for
information.
So, the diagnosis continues. Any comments, ideas, and
advice are greatly
welcome. Thanks.
- --
If you lived in your
car, you'd be home by now.
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General
Atomics
San Diego
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:29:16
-0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Tire
question?
Everybody,
What is the difference between the different
speed ratings?
W - 168 MPH
Y - 186 MPH
Z - 149+ MPH
I am
going to shop around for some tires soon and always wanted to know
which
rating gives you the most safety when you run at high speeds.
My
brother ran his car at 169 MPH, so I guess that would be a top
speed. Can Z
rated tires be run that fast, or do I need W or even Y
tires to make sure
I'm safe (and so they won't age prematurely from too much
heat)? What does
149+ mean (how fast can they really go)?
Thanks
everybody.
- -MIKE-
PS. I don't want to have a tire failure
when I do high speeds (169 MPH)
every now and then?
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:35:55
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Car won't start...Update 1
> When you folks talk about
leaky capacitors, are you
> referring to an electical property in which
they
> won't hold a charge, or a visual property in which
> they
ooze their insides (like an old dry-cell battery)?
Visual oozing like an
old battery. Sometimes you can't see it if it is just
starting to leak
out the bottom of the capacitor. It usually smells like
rotten
fish.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:36:59
EST
From: "Michael D. Crose" <
ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Tire question?
These rated speeds are the maximum speed that the
tire can sustain for six
hours with out failure. Hope this
helps.
Michael
>From: "Mihai Raicu" <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
>To: "Stealth"
<
team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject:
Team3S: Tire question?
>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:29:16
-0500
>
>Everybody,
>
>What is the difference between
the different speed ratings?
>
>W - 168 MPH
>Y - 186
MPH
>Z - 149+ MPH
>
>I am going to shop around for some tires
soon and always wanted to know
>which rating gives you the most safety
when you run at high speeds. My
>brother ran his car at 169 MPH, so
I guess that would be a top speed. Can
>Z
>rated tires be run
that fast, or do I need W or even Y tires to make sure
>I'm safe (and so
they won't age prematurely from too much heat)? What does
>149+ mean
(how fast can they really go)?
>
>Thanks
everybody.
>
>-MIKE-
>
>PS. I don't want to have a
tire failure when I do high speeds (169 MPH)
>every now and
then?
>
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 00:53:31
-0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: ECU
swap?
Team,
This has probably been adressed in the past, so
forgive me if it has.
Is the ECU interchangeable between the different
years? The part that
concerns me is if I can swap out the ECUs in my
brother's 94 TT and my 95
VR4 with a 96+ ECU? I guess this question is
valid for those with 1st gen
cars also. If this is possible, I/we all
would have the option of getting
96+ ECU's from junk yards and make our cars
OBD II compliant (for which
there is datalogging software readily available
between $100-300).
-
-MIKE-
aa2345@wayne.edu95 Red VR4
Apexi AVC-R
Electronic Boost Controller
K&N FIPK, Boost Gauge, EGT Meter
John,
brother
iraicu@cs.wayne.edu94 Pearl Yellow
TT
Apexi AVC-R Electronic Boost Controller
K&N FIPK, Boost Gauge, EGT
Meter
G Teck 0-60 (4.9 sec) 1/4 mile (13.34 sec @ 112.4 mph)
Top speed
after mods 169 mph
Detroit Metro Area, Michigan
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 00:53:34
-0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Tire question?
Michael,
Thanks Michael for your reply. This
helps me for the W and Y ratings,
however I still am not sure how to
interpret the Z (149+) rating. How fast
can Z rated tires go
(sustained/peak)?
So far my assumption is that the Y tires are the best
(186 MPH). Is this
correct?
-
-MIKE-
aa2345@wayne.edu95 Red VR4
Detroit
Metro Area, Michigan
- ----------------------------
Michael
wrote:
These rated speeds are the maximum speed that the tire can sustain
for six
hours with out failure. Hope this
helps.
Michael
>
>What is the difference between the
different speed ratings?
>
>W - 168 MPH
>Y - 186 MPH
>Z
- 149+ MPH
>
>Can Z rated tires be run that fast, or do I need W or
even Y tires to make
sure
>I'm safe (and so they won't age prematurely
from too much heat)? What does
>149+ mean (how fast can they really
go)?
>
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:29:16
-0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Tire
question?
Everybody,
What is the difference between the different
speed ratings?
W - 168 MPH
Y - 186 MPH
Z - 149+ MPH
I am
going to shop around for some tires soon and always wanted to know
which
rating gives you the most safety when you run at high speeds.
My
brother ran his car at 169 MPH, so I guess that would be a top
speed. Can Z
rated tires be run that fast, or do I need W or even Y
tires to make sure
I'm safe (and so they won't age prematurely from too much
heat)? What does
149+ mean (how fast can they really go)?
Thanks
everybody.
- -MIKE-
PS. I don't want to have a tire failure
when I do high speeds (169 MPH)
every now and then?
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 01:28:00
EST
From:
Ouijacom@aol.comSubject:
Team3S: ECU swap?
Hey I have a 93 3000GT VR-4... i'm 18 years old,I live
in Grand Rapids,
Michigan.. any owners out there? i just bought this car 2
months ago... .i'm
learing alot about it.. .my old car was a 87 Supra Turbo.
Now I have this
car.. .i seen some comments about datalogging? what is that?
and what is it
for? What are if there are any quick mods or anyone that car
direct me with
this?
thanks alot
Joe
93 3000GT VR-4
Glacier Pearl
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:36:59
EST
From: "Michael D. Crose" <
ncsu4me@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Tire question?
These rated speeds are the maximum speed that the
tire can sustain for six
hours with out failure. Hope this
helps.
Michael
>From: "Mihai Raicu" <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
>To: "Stealth"
<
team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject:
Team3S: Tire question?
>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:29:16
-0500
>
>Everybody,
>
>What is the difference between
the different speed ratings?
>
>W - 168 MPH
>Y - 186
MPH
>Z - 149+ MPH
>
>I am going to shop around for some tires
soon and always wanted to know
>which rating gives you the most safety
when you run at high speeds. My
>brother ran his car at 169 MPH, so
I guess that would be a top speed. Can
>Z
>rated tires be run
that fast, or do I need W or even Y tires to make sure
>I'm safe (and so
they won't age prematurely from too much heat)? What does
>149+ mean
(how fast can they really go)?
>
>Thanks
everybody.
>
>-MIKE-
>
>PS. I don't want to have a
tire failure when I do high speeds (169 MPH)
>every now and
then?
>
>
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:35:55
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Car won't start...Update 1
> When you folks talk about
leaky capacitors, are you
> referring to an electical property in which
they
> won't hold a charge, or a visual property in which
> they
ooze their insides (like an old dry-cell battery)?
Visual oozing like an
old battery. Sometimes you can't see it if it is just
starting to leak
out the bottom of the capacitor. It usually smells like
rotten
fish.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 08:32:37
-0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Suspension for 1995 VR-4
Here is a reply from Shox (
www.shox.com <
http://www.shox.com> ) and it
appears they
found something for every part of a suspension modification. I
had
posted an earlier question to the list about if anyone on the list has
info
on this since mine is a 1995 with an automatic sunroof and this appears
to
make a difference between the models with a manual sunroof.
-
--Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK, a Valentine One, and a custom spark
plug plate
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-----Original Message-----
From:
sales@shox.com <
mailto:sales@shox.com> [
mailto:sales@shox.com]
<
mailto:[mailto:sales@shox.com]>
Sent: Tuesday,
November 07, 2000 5:21 PM
>Make: Mitsubishi
>Model: 3000GT
VR-4
>Year: 1995
>4WD
>Parts Requested-Shocks, Sway Bars, Coil
Over Kit, Strut Brace,
Springs
Shocks and/or Struts in sets of
4
KYB $299.00
KYB $339.00 (Disables Electronic Adjustable)
GAB
$749.00
Eibach 1.3" lowering Springs $219.00 set of 4
Addco Sway
Bars $129.00 each
Coil Over Kit,$399.00 includes Eibach ERS springs, no
struts. 0 to 2.5"
lowering
GAB Strut Brace, $165.00 each
Power
Slot Rotors
$89.95 front and $84.95 rear each (90-95)
$99.95 front and
$84.95 rear each (90-93 VR4)
$139.95 front and rear each (93-97
VR4)
Carbon Metallic brake pads are $49.95 per axle
K&N Fuel
Injection Performance Kit $159.95
Call, click here:
http://www.shox.com/customer_order.html<
http://www.shox.com/customer_order.html>
, or fax to order. We look
forward to hearing from you!!!!
Sales
Department
RD ENTERPRISES
1300 HILL STREET
EL CAJON, CA.
92020 USA
800-683-2890
619-444-9768
fax 619-444-8261
www.shox.com <
http://www.shox.com>
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 06:13:44
-0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: ECU swap?
Welcome Joe,
Check out the Links Page at my
web site. There are links there for
the TechnoMotive (TMO) Datalogger. It is
a diagnostic and monitoring
tool that is available for 1991 to 1993 model
year 3S cars and all
year DSM cars. Check out the Tech Page at my web site
for some
examples from myself and others using the TMO datalogger in our
cars.
Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
-->
http://www.stealth316.com/- -----
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From: <
Ouijacom@aol.com>
To: <
team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Tuesday, November 07, 2000 11:28 PM
Subject: Team3S: ECU swap?
Hey I
have a 93 3000GT VR-4... i'm 18 years old,I live in Grand
Rapids, Michigan..
any owners out there? i just bought this car 2
months ago... .i'm learing
alot about it.. .my old car was a 87 Supra
Turbo. Now I have this car.. .i
seen some comments about datalogging?
what is that? and what is it for? What
are if there are any quick
mods or anyone that car direct me with
this?
thanks alot
Joe
93 3000GT VR-4
Glacier
Pearl
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:14:37
-0600
From: "Willis, Charles E." <
cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tire question?
I find it difficult to believe you are
routinely driving 169 mph. I think
if you have a tire failure at 169
mph, the last thing you are going to worry
about is the tire warranty.
Get real.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mihai Raicu [
SMTP:aa2345@wayne.edu]
> Sent:
Tuesday, November 07, 2000 11:29 AM
> To: Stealth
> Subject: Team3S:
Tire question?
>
> Everybody,
>
> What is the
difference between the different speed ratings?
>
> W - 168
MPH
> Y - 186 MPH
> Z - 149+ MPH
>
> I am going to shop
around for some tires soon and always wanted to know
> which rating gives
you the most safety when you run at high speeds. My
> brother ran
his car at 169 MPH, so I guess that would be a top speed. Can
>
Z
> rated tires be run that fast, or do I need W or even Y tires to make
sure
> I'm safe (and so they won't age prematurely from too much
heat)? What
> does
> 149+ mean (how fast can they really
go)?
>
> Thanks everybody.
>
> -MIKE-
>
>
PS. I don't want to have a tire failure when I do high speeds (169
MPH)
> every now and then?
>
>
> *** Info:
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***
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:22:44
-0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tire question?
> I find it difficult to believe you are
routinely
> driving 169 mph. I think if you have a tire
>
failure at 169 mph, the last thing you are
> going to worry about is the
tire warranty.
> Get real.
I agree.
Z-rated tires should be
fine for quick bursts up to top speed. You aren't
going to want to
sustain a speed that high for very long. It is VERY hard
on the motor
since the intercoolers get heat-soaked well before you get to
top
speed.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend going 170 on any sort of public
road. Your
stopping distance is SO long that there is almost no way to
avoid an
unexpected situation with any level of confidence. If
something does happen
to a tire, there is a high probability you WILL go off
the road and it ain't
gonna be pretty.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:43:15
-0500
From: "Mihai Raicu" <
aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Tire question?
Team,
Thanks Darren Schilberg, Michael Crose and
Charles Willis for clarifying my
tire rating question. I will look
around and see if there is much
difference in the prices on these tires, but
if I can I will shoot to get a
W (186 MPH) rating otherwise I will stick to
the Z rating that I've always
had and that was good up to now.
Just to
clarify, these high speed runs up to 169 MPH I only do every once in
a blue
moon when all the conditions are right (3-5 mile straight stretch, no
cars on
the road). Otherwise, in short 1 mile stretches, the most I can get
up
to realistically is 155 mph (if my exit turn speed is ~100 MPH) before I
have
to break for the next turn. It is impossible to sustain these
high
speeds. However, I do sustain 100 MPH on a daily basis on the way
to school
and back (if I avoid rush hour), and on longer trips, I sustain
110-120 mph,
traffic permitting again.
- -MIKE-
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Willis, Charles E. [
mailto:cewillis@TexasChildrensHospital.org]
Sent:
Wednesday, November 08, 2000 10:15 AM
To: 'Mihai Raicu'; Stealth
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Tire question?
I find it difficult to believe you are
routinely driving 169 mph. I think
if you have a tire failure at 169
mph, the last thing you are going to worry
about is the tire warranty.
Get real.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mihai Raicu [
SMTP:aa2345@wayne.edu]
> Sent:
Tuesday, November 07, 2000 11:29 AM
> To: Stealth
> Subject: Team3S:
Tire question?
>
> Everybody,
>
> What is the difference
between the different speed ratings?
>
> W - 168 MPH
> Y - 186
MPH
> Z - 149+ MPH
>
> I am going to shop around for some
tires soon and always wanted to know
> which rating gives you the most
safety when you run at high speeds. My
> brother ran his car at 169
MPH, so I guess that would be a top speed. Can
> Z
> rated
tires be run that fast, or do I need W or even Y tires to make sure
> I'm
safe (and so they won't age prematurely from too much heat)? What
>
does
> 149+ mean (how fast can they really go)?
>
> Thanks
everybody.
>
> -MIKE-
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