team3s Friday, November 3 2000 Volume 01 : Number 314

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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:27:38 -0800 (PST)
From: John Christian <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Speedo help

Hi Martin,

Curious minds want to know, does the odometer not
work also?? 2. does the rest of the car function
normally??

3. Can one have a functional spedo and not have the
odometer work??

I can't help you with the fix, but the manual will
usually help diagnose.

Be of good cheer,
John

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>
> Hi All
> My speedo has packed in, anyone got any ideas on
> where i can start
> troubleshooting?
> It's 92 GTO TT
> Thanks in advance
> Martin
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:06:22 EST
From: GREEN3000GTO@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Plugs

Hello everyone, I finaly took the plugs out of the card and they all was so
gass up and that 1 that was missing had carbon build up from the inside the
white part to the tip. I have deceided to use the KNG plugs and Bosch premium
plugwires. What do you guys thing. ps could anyone tell me if the plugs that
I pulled out is the factory plug# ND PK20PR-P 11

Thank you.

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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:25:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Trouble Holding Boost

Basically all stock wastgates (and the aftermarket TD04-based turbos
too) for all 3S model years open completely at the same pressure -
about 6 to 7 psi. It is the BC solenoid, or other device or situation
(such as a hose leak or constriction), that allows higher boost than
6 to 7 psi to develop in the plenum.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
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From: <COMETOTHEZOO@aol.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Trouble Holding Boost

In a message dated 11/1/00 7:16:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kenwheeler@phoenixdsl.com writes:

> 8psi of boost is typical to stock setups. You really need to get a
boost
> controller for more boost. What you are describing is normal.
You're not
> going to get .95 bar without a boost controller. It's not that
our stock
> turbos won't handle it, mine will go above 1.2 bar, maybe higher,
but
that's
> with a boost controller too.
>
Unless I am mistaken I am pretty sure the 94+ models wastegate
actuates at 12 psi. The earlier models were set to hold to about 8
psi. But absolutely a electronic boost controller will even out, and
raise the pressure that you can hold.

94 3000 VR4
http://hometown.aol.com/cometothezoo/
Mike Murray

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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:23:43 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Speedo help

> My speedo has packed in, anyone got any ideas on where i can start
> troubleshooting?
> It's 92 GTO TT

The TT cars have electric speedometers. Check the electrical connector that
attaches to the speedometer gear housing. It is located on (top of) the
transmission next to the clutch slave cylinder inbetween the engine block and
the firewall. You need to remove the battery and windshield washer bottle to
get to it. That at least is a place to start...

Good luck,
Ken

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Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:37:15 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Kid in a candy store

> My question: Boost controllers - what do you all recommend? Blitz, HKS,
> Greddy, so many to choose from, so few facts.... as a long time software
> engineer, the 'fuzzy logic' of the hks and Greddy appeal to me, but I've only
> been able to get first hand accounts about the Blitz (DSBC). 3S Veterans out
> there must have strong opinions about these controllers - personal
> experiences, first hand knowledge, urban legends ... any info, I'll take it!

I highly recommend the Apexi SAVC-R. It has many features not found in other
controllers:
a) ability to select different boost settings for different RPM bands
b) gear based learning and gear specific adjustments
c) utilizes a relative pressure sensor to update/learn with atmospheric or
elevation changes
d) extensive monitoring capabilities included graph recordings, peak holds, etc.
The SAVC-R requires a more involved installation (you have to tap into ECU
wires) and can also be tricky to tune correctly. I've used this for over a year
and it works great. It can be a "set and forget" but the tweaker will love
playing with all the features.

The Blitz DSBC is extremely easy to install. Many folks use this and report
great results. You do have to tweak the settings though for atmopheric or
elevation changes.

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Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:53:40 +0100
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Kid in a candy store

I highy recommend the new iD-DSBC from Blitz. It is not yet available on a
large volume but it has great features from the S-AVC-R and the great
reaction of the DSBC. It comes in half width DIN and can be installed with
the new iD-Power Meter.

The only problem with the Apexi is that it doesn't have any overboost
limiter function and setting boost to a specific level doesn't mean that it
also can reach this level or overruns it. When it has learned (the duty
cycle of the solenoid) then it works ok.

The Blitz is small and easy as Ken already said. The four settings are used
to change them whenever needed as in cold weather the car will get more
boost sooner so Ratio should be cranked down then. But the result is to
have always the best performance.

When the new Blitz is available I'm sure some DSBCs will be available 2nd
hand (mine for sure, hehe)

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch

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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:35:50 -0800 (PST)
From: jdorsey <ja_dorsey@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Parts, Ideas, Suggestions?

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Group,

I had the trouble-shooting done for what I thought were blown turbos. Good news is they're not blown. Not so good news is that I need to have the Blow-off valve, Wastegate Actuator (left side leaking), and all vacuum lines replaced (old, cracked, possible leaks).

All this to the tune of $700 parts/labor (a lot better than the dealership rates). Since he's doing this work, I'm taking suggestions on what else should I have him do.

JD

'99 F4 Supersport, '91 Stealth R/T Twin

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 Group,
I had the trouble-shooting done for what I thought were blown turbos.  Good news is they're not blown.  Not so good news is that I need to have the Blow-off valve, Wastegate Actuator (left side leaking), and all vacuum lines replaced (old, cracked, possible leaks).
All this to the tune of $700 parts/labor (a lot better than the dealership rates).  Since he's doing this work, I'm taking suggestions on what else should I have him do.
JD  
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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:35:50 -0800 (PST)
From: jdorsey <ja_dorsey@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Parts, Ideas, Suggestions?

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Group,

I had the trouble-shooting done for what I thought were blown turbos. Good news is they're not blown. Not so good news is that I need to have the Blow-off valve, Wastegate Actuator (left side leaking), and all vacuum lines replaced (old, cracked, possible leaks).

All this to the tune of $700 parts/labor (a lot better than the dealership rates). Since he's doing this work, I'm taking suggestions on what else should I have him do.

JD

'99 F4 Supersport, '91 Stealth R/T Twin

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 Group,
I had the trouble-shooting done for what I thought were blown turbos.  Good news is they're not blown.  Not so good news is that I need to have the Blow-off valve, Wastegate Actuator (left side leaking), and all vacuum lines replaced (old, cracked, possible leaks).
All this to the tune of $700 parts/labor (a lot better than the dealership rates).  Since he's doing this work, I'm taking suggestions on what else should I have him do.
JD  
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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:50:43 EST
From: COMETOTHEZOO@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: TMO DATALOGGER QUESTION FOR 94 95 VR4

Ok so is someone getting organized on this? I have been planning on a
piggyback system, but if someone is seriously working on this I am most
definitely interested. Not only do I dislike the problems associated with
piggyback but the expense difference alone makes it worth it. Let alone the
idea of chopping up the harness :O

94 3000 VR4
Mike Murray

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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:03:16 -0600
From: "Vineet Singh $3S$" <stealthtt@ecanfix.com>
Subject: Team3S: Boost leaks?

A friend made this page, after I had sent the same information to the
list. You said you were new, so maybe you didn't get it?

http://www.ecanfix.com/~amit/

Just a list of all the places I have found to leak on our cars. Your
leak is probably mainly at the BOV, if its the stock one. They are
designed not to hold boost well, so the cars never "overboost".
(that's my opinion, another opinion I and others have, is a plastic
bov is CHEAP AS HELL :)

Also, stock turbos won't hold more than about 12psi at the top of the
rpm range.. possibly less at the top of 3rd or higher. Boost response
will increase with an aftermarket BOV, the 1g DSM one is a no brainer
(if you have the flange), and the Apex super-sequential (can be blown
to atmosphere for that "cool sound") works well too as do many others,
that people use.

Oh, a manual, or electronic boost controller will help with boost
response even more. EVEN if you just run stock boost, boost will build
faster (manual, only if it is of ball and spring design).

http://www.turbologic.com/joepmbc/ is a good cheap unit, works well
even on some 11 second cars. Electronic ones work differently, but are
also good, and cockpit adjustable (more $$$)

Vineet Singh
http://at.dsm.org - "Never Lift To Shift!"
http://chi.dsm.org - "ChicagoDSM - Go Fast With Class!"
http://manualcd.dsm.org - DSM & 3/S Service manuals on CDROM

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From: NassiriC@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Trouble Holding Boost

Hi all,
I'm new to this list, and new to 3S cars, I have a lot of general
turbo
performance experience, but no specific experience with 3S's, so I
have a 3S
question I really need some help with that I hope you guys can answer.

I have a '97 vr-4 that I just got around to installing an accurate
electronic
boost gauge on (greddy 60mm w/peak hold and warning - very nice
product I
recommend it), and I'm a little confused by what I'm seeing. In stock
form
(other than an SMF), when I mash the throttle to the floor, I get a
boost
spike to about .95bar (~13.5psi), then it rapidly drops to between .6
bar and
.75 bar (8.5 - 10.6 psi), depending what gear I'm in, 1st and 2nd gear
drops
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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:24:51 EST
From: GREEN3000GTO@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: head lights

Ok thanks everyone for all your advices. I went ahead and bought the KNG
plugs and Bosh premium plugwires and I can tell a whole alot of differents.
Now here is my question has anyone came up with a way to take the fogg or
moist out of our 94+ headlights. If so could you tell me how to do that.

Thank you.

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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:27:46 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: TMO DATALOGGER QUESTION FOR 94 95 VR4

> Ok so is someone getting organized on this? I have been planning on a
> piggyback system, but if someone is seriously working on this I am most
> definitely interested. Not only do I dislike the problems associated with
> piggyback but the expense difference alone makes it worth it. Let alone the
> idea of chopping up the harness :O

I am currently pursuing my only lead to acquire the specification of the '94-'95
ECU diagnostic port protocol. I am waiting to hear back from my old boss who
still has the California Air Resources Board as a customer.

If the protocol can be obtained, we can approach Todd Day to see if he is
interested in working on a new or updated datalogger. Otherwise, several other
folks on the list are capable of creating a Windows based software analyzer from
scratch.

Keep your fingers crossed...

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Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:01:03 -0500
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Parts, Ideas, Suggestions?

If you're going stock, I have BOV and vacuum lines all available from my
accident '91 Pearl White Twin Turbo
Let me know if you need anything!
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)

jdorsey wrote:

> Group,
>
> I had the trouble-shooting done for what I thought were blown turbos.
> Good news is they're not blown. Not so good news is that I need to
> have the Blow-off valve, Wastegate Actuator (left side leaking), and
> all vacuum lines replaced (old, cracked, possible leaks).
>
> All this to the tune of $700 parts/labor (a lot better than the
> dealership rates). Since he's doing this work, I'm taking suggestions
> on what else should I have him do.
>
> JD
>
> '99 F4 Supersport, '91 Stealth R/T Twin
>
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:19:56 EST
From: GREEN3000GTO@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: headlights

Ok thanks everyone for all your advices. I went ahead and bought the KNG
plugs and Bosh premium plugwires and I can tell a whole alot of differents.
Now here is my question has anyone came up with a way to take the fogg or
moist out of our 94+ headlights on the 3000gt If so could you tell me how to
do that. I thought about drilling a hole on the side so I can take the hair
dry and dry it up and then seal the hole back up.

Thank you.

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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:58:09 -0600
From: "Marty Caldwell" <tcaldwell@gpcom.net>
Subject: Team3S: A/C belt squealing

Hey everybody,
Bought a '92 Stealth R/T TT last weekend, found the Team 3S site shortly
thereafter. I've searched the site for the answer to my question, but didn't
come up with it. The a/c belt is squealing, so I want to tighten it & see if
it goes away. I think I've found where to put a 1/2" drive ratchet to move
the tensioner, but how do I loosen it so it will move? I can't see in there
well enough to tell where the bolt is. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

 Marty

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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:15:51 -0800
From: Rich <rleroy@pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: A/C belt squealing

Marty:

Read through the write-up for the 60K service in the Team3S FAQ
pages. Near the end is a picture and verbiage explaining the
re-installation of the A/C tensioner. That should show what
you need to know.

Rich
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Marty Caldwell wrote:
>
> Hey everybody,
> Bought a '92 Stealth R/T TT last weekend, found the Team 3S site shortly
> thereafter. I've searched the site for the answer to my question, but didn't
> come up with it. The a/c belt is squealing, so I want to tighten it & see if
> it goes away. I think I've found where to put a 1/2" drive ratchet to move
> the tensioner, but how do I loosen it so it will move? I can't see in there
> well enough to tell where the bolt is. Any help would be appreciated.
> Thanks.
>
> Marty
>
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:42:34 -0500
From: Rick <melvin@gamewood.net>
Subject: Team3S: CD Player Needed

I know alot of you guys have one of these lousy CD players sitting
around,so if you wouldn't mind digging it up,mines taken a crap and I
need one cheap.It's the Mitsubishi U007,yeah,the worst one they made,but
I just amped the system so as to keep the steering wheel controls and
mine crapped out on me.If you got one and want to let it go cheap,give
me an E-mail.
Thanks,
RICK
'91 Red Base
'91 Red R/T
'92 Blue R/T T/T Stealths

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