team3s           Thursday, November 2 2000           Volume 01 : Number 313




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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:10:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Exhaust leak UPDATE

Ahh..sorry.  Missed the N/A bit.  Catching up on a TON of Email

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Jannusch, Matt wrote:

> > Of course..if anyone missed it.
> > Ive got one for free.
> > San Jose, CA..come and get it.
>
> The turbo downpipe won't fit a non-turbo car.  The non-turbo doesn't have
> pre-cats and has a curved piece that goes up in the front and mates with the
> front exhaust manifold.  I wouldn't be surprised if the dimensions of the
> overall pipe lengths going to the manifolds are different as well.
>
> Should be able to find one of those downpipes in a junkyard somewhere
> reasonably easily.  Should be able to use one off any base model 3/S for
> sure, and the ones for SL/RT are a "maybe".  The service manuals don't make
> a distinction between base/ES and SL/RT but do make distinctions between
> non-turbo and turbo.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:43:21 -0500
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Snow Tires on 94 Stealth TT/AWD

Bridgestone Blizzaks are the only winter tire I've used for the past few
years.  Pittsburgh, PA gets mostly slush and snow with occasional ice patchy
days.  The Blizzak with channels for slush are a great mix (MZ-01 variety).
The LM-22 is for low sidewall and high speeds but I don't hit that in the
winter.

I have brochures on some serious snow handling in New Zealand from a
magazine.  Email me off the list and I'll send you the details since not
many people drive their cars in the winter.

Unfortunately, most magazines test snow handling or ice handling and not a
mixture of both.  Some tires now ("ice grippers") are no good in snow or
slush and vice versa.  That's why it will depend on your weather, driving
style, local road clearing department, terrain, etc.  The Tire Rack,
www.tirerack.com <http://www.tirerack.com> , has some good descriptions of
the tires and their staff always replies to emails quickly and accurately.

I was fortunate enough to buy Rich Merritt's 17" SL wheels which I am using
for winter as these fit over my stock 94+ caliper/rotor setup and replace
the 18" chrome wheels so they don't get corroded as much.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/17" SL chrome wheels for the winter and Blizzak MZ-01
tires on the way
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi

- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Reid [mailto:mreidis@home.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 10:05 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Snow Tires on 94 Stealth TT/AWD

Hi Roger,

thanks for your feedback.


At 09:27 AM 11/1/2000 +0100, Roger Gerl wrote:
>No steel wheels fit our cars and it is definitely not recommended  !!!

Well that's what I've heard in the past from everywhere, including my tire
dealer, but now he claims his book shows that they have a 16" steel wheel
for my 94 TT. I'd be willing to try them out to see if they fit with no
problems. If they don't fit I'll go with the 235/45/17's on the OEM wheels.

What do you mean by not recommended ? Not safe to drive ? Not able to give
the performance of 17" wheels/tires ? Or could cause something to break ?

I don't care that much about ultimate dry performance.

Mike.


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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:21:18 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Sway bars

A pro photographer (cost me $40 for a set of pix) took a picture of me
storming through turn 5 at Road America, with my left front wheel almost
off the ground. I took a copy with me to the TransAm race, and showed it
off proudly to our suspension guy and he said, "Humph! Lots of body roll
there. You need stiffer fronts or a bigger sway bar."

Well, bummer.
I already am as stiff as I care to go up front, so I guess I need a bigger
sway bar. My expert suggests that I get an adjustable bar. Any ideas out
there? Who sells bars for our cars? Addco?

Rich/old poop/94 VR4

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:48:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

Addco yes, but they will probly take 8 months to produce them.

Go custom on the end-link configuration.  Attach it closer to the "center
axis" of the bar itself where it crosses the car.

Ive done that on my MR2-Spyder (2001) and have increased stiffness about
20% with a fabricated end-link connection that fits around the sway bar
(infinitely adjustable because it slides on the bar and clamps to it) and
saved $700 that TRD wants for the same thing.

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Merritt wrote:

> A pro photographer (cost me $40 for a set of pix) took a picture of me
> storming through turn 5 at Road America, with my left front wheel almost
> off the ground. I took a copy with me to the TransAm race, and showed it
> off proudly to our suspension guy and he said, "Humph! Lots of body roll
> there. You need stiffer fronts or a bigger sway bar."
>
> Well, bummer.
> I already am as stiff as I care to go up front, so I guess I need a bigger
> sway bar. My expert suggests that I get an adjustable bar. Any ideas out
> there? Who sells bars for our cars? Addco?
>
> Rich/old poop/94 VR4
>
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>



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|    The proven method to make a Supra race worthy, is to   |
|   strip it down, and shove as many $20 bills as possible  |
|            within the cavity of the car itself.           |
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 09:52:14 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

A stiffer front bar will increase the propensity for the inner front wheel to
lift, so I assume he meant a stiffer rear anti-sway bar.  A stiffer rear bar
should also make the rear end looser too, so be careful.  A good book to read is
Fred Puhn's "How To Make Your Car Handle".

Addco's rear bar is supposedly only slightly larger than the stock VR4 bar, can
anyone verify this?  Not sure of other companies with bars, and I haven't heard
of anny adjustable bars.  Also, the rear bar looks like a terrible pain to
install, probably requiring the removal of the rear diff.

Stiffer springs is the easy route.  Don't you already have 550/350?  It's time
to try 650!

Good luck,
Ken

> A pro photographer (cost me $40 for a set of pix) took a picture of me
> storming through turn 5 at Road America, with my left front wheel almost
> off the ground. I took a copy with me to the TransAm race, and showed it
> off proudly to our suspension guy and he said, "Humph! Lots of body roll
> there. You need stiffer fronts or a bigger sway bar."
>
> Well, bummer.
> I already am as stiff as I care to go up front, so I guess I need a bigger
> sway bar. My expert suggests that I get an adjustable bar. Any ideas out
> there? Who sells bars for our cars? Addco?


- --
If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now.

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:52:41 -0600
From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Sway bars

I agree here - From everything I've read, and looking at different designs,
you need to keep the rear from rolling, and that will keep the front from
doing the same.  If you stiffen up the front, your car is going to "push"
through turns, which is the VR-4's biggest handling defect.  You need to get
some of that body roll weight over the rear tires, and the way to do that of
course, is to stiffen up the rear anti-roll bar.

Question is - do you feel your springs are stiff enough as they are???  You
may also try increasing the spring stiffness in the rear if you wanna go -
the easy route.  I would go for the anti-sway bar.    One question I've
always had about them - people always talk about diameter and such, but
material should have an effect also correct?  Why is material never
mentioned???

- -Cody

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Ken Middaugh
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 11:52 AM
To: Merritt
Cc: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars


A stiffer front bar will increase the propensity for the inner front wheel
to
lift, so I assume he meant a stiffer rear anti-sway bar.  A stiffer rear bar
should also make the rear end looser too, so be careful.  A good book to
read is
Fred Puhn's "How To Make Your Car Handle".

Addco's rear bar is supposedly only slightly larger than the stock VR4 bar,
can
anyone verify this?  Not sure of other companies with bars, and I haven't
heard
of anny adjustable bars.  Also, the rear bar looks like a terrible pain to
install, probably requiring the removal of the rear diff.

Stiffer springs is the easy route.  Don't you already have 550/350?  It's
time
to try 650!

Good luck,
Ken

> A pro photographer (cost me $40 for a set of pix) took a picture of me
> storming through turn 5 at Road America, with my left front wheel almost
> off the ground. I took a copy with me to the TransAm race, and showed it
> off proudly to our suspension guy and he said, "Humph! Lots of body roll
> there. You need stiffer fronts or a bigger sway bar."
>
> Well, bummer.
> I already am as stiff as I care to go up front, so I guess I need a bigger
> sway bar. My expert suggests that I get an adjustable bar. Any ideas out
> there? Who sells bars for our cars? Addco?


- --
If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now.

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:08:50 -0800
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Sway bars, more thoughts

More thoughts...

You may still want to try out a stiffer front anti-sway bar.  If the inside
wheel doesn't lift, you will probably be achieving better cornering grip.  A
graph of the anti-sway bar stiffness on the X axis VS the Cornering Grip on the
Y axis looks like a bell curve.  Less than optimum stiffness causes too much
body roll which reduces negative camber which of course reduces cornering grip.
More than optimum stiffness causes the inside wheel to lift leaving less rubber
on the road which also reduces cornering grip.  Thus, as a front bar moves away
from optimum stiffness, understeer increases.  As a rear bar moves away from
optimum stiffness, oversteer increases.  Most likely, our stock bars probably
have less than optimum stiffness so getting stiffer aftermarket bars will
probably increase cornering grip.  Some type of measurement, lap times, lateral
G-Force, skid pad, is the only way to tell for sure.

Good luck,
Ken

> A pro photographer (cost me $40 for a set of pix) took a picture of me
> storming through turn 5 at Road America, with my left front wheel almost
> off the ground. I took a copy with me to the TransAm race, and showed it
> off proudly to our suspension guy and he said, "Humph! Lots of body roll
> there. You need stiffer fronts or a bigger sway bar."
>
> Well, bummer.
> I already am as stiff as I care to go up front, so I guess I need a bigger
> sway bar. My expert suggests that I get an adjustable bar. Any ideas out
> there? Who sells bars for our cars? Addco?

- --
If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now.

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:52:07 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

At 09:52 AM 11/1/00 -0800, Ken Middaugh wrote:
>A stiffer front bar will increase the propensity for the inner front wheel to
>lift, so I assume he meant a stiffer rear anti-sway bar. 

No, I'm sure he said front sway bar.

>Stiffer springs is the easy route.  Don't you already have 550/350?  It's
time
>to try 650!

Geez, it's stiff enough up there.

Rich
>

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:50:37 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

At 09:48 AM 11/1/00 -0800, Geoff Mohler wrote:
>Addco yes, but they will probly take 8 months to produce them.
>Go custom on the end-link configuration.  Attach it closer to the "center
>axis" of the bar itself where it crosses the car.
>Ive done that on my MR2-Spyder (2001) and have increased stiffness about
>20% with a fabricated end-link connection that fits around the sway bar
>(infinitely adjustable because it slides on the bar and clamps to it) and
>saved $700 that TRD wants for the same thing.
>
Geoff:

I'm not sure I followed everything you said. Could you explain again about
the "Go custom on the end-link configuration."
What?? $700 for a %$%$#@ sway bar? Are they crazy?

Rich

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:53:40 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Sway bars, more thoughts

At 11:08 AM 11/1/00 -0800, Ken Middaugh wrote:
>More thoughts...
>
>You may still want to try out a stiffer front anti-sway bar. 

Not for $700, I won't. Druther get stiffer springs.

Rich


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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:54:36 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Sway bars

Thanks Cody.
I am more confused than ever.

Rich

At 12:52 PM 11/1/00 -0600, cody wrote:
>I agree here - From everything I've read, and looking at different designs,
>you need to keep the rear from rolling, and that will keep the front from
>doing the same.  If you stiffen up the front, your car is going to "push"
>through turns, which is the VR-4's biggest handling defect.  You need to get
>some of that body roll weight over the rear tires, and the way to do that of
>course, is to stiffen up the rear anti-roll bar.
>
>Question is - do you feel your springs are stiff enough as they are???  You
>may also try increasing the spring stiffness in the rear if you wanna go -
>the easy route.  I would go for the anti-sway bar.    One question I've
>always had about them - people always talk about diameter and such, but
>material should have an effect also correct?  Why is material never
>mentioned???
>
>-Cody
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Ken Middaugh
>Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 11:52 AM
>To: Merritt
>Cc: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars
>
>
>A stiffer front bar will increase the propensity for the inner front wheel
>to
>lift, so I assume he meant a stiffer rear anti-sway bar.  A stiffer rear bar
>should also make the rear end looser too, so be careful.  A good book to
>read is
>Fred Puhn's "How To Make Your Car Handle".
>
>Addco's rear bar is supposedly only slightly larger than the stock VR4 bar,
>can
>anyone verify this?  Not sure of other companies with bars, and I haven't
>heard
>of anny adjustable bars.  Also, the rear bar looks like a terrible pain to
>install, probably requiring the removal of the rear diff.
>
>Stiffer springs is the easy route.  Don't you already have 550/350?  It's
>time
>to try 650!
>
>Good luck,
>Ken
>
>> A pro photographer (cost me $40 for a set of pix) took a picture of me
>> storming through turn 5 at Road America, with my left front wheel almost
>> off the ground. I took a copy with me to the TransAm race, and showed it
>> off proudly to our suspension guy and he said, "Humph! Lots of body roll
>> there. You need stiffer fronts or a bigger sway bar."
>>
>> Well, bummer.
>> I already am as stiff as I care to go up front, so I guess I need a bigger
>> sway bar. My expert suggests that I get an adjustable bar. Any ideas out
>> there? Who sells bars for our cars? Addco?
>
>
>--
>If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now.
>
>Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
>General Atomics
>San Diego
>
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>
>
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>

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:52:59 EST
From: GREEN3000GTO@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: plugs & plugs wire

this is what I have found out so fare. The Bosch Premium plugwires is  # 1 as
for the best to use, but you have to use the NGK plugs for our car if it is
tubo or none then it is still NGK...... for turbo or none turbo. If I am
wrong then please advise.

Thank you.

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:47:30 EST
From: NassiriC@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Trouble Holding Boost

Hi all,
I'm new to this list, and new to 3S cars, I have a lot of general turbo
performance experience, but no specific experience with 3S's, so I have a 3S
question I really need some help with that I hope you guys can answer.

I have a '97 vr-4 that I just got around to installing an accurate electronic
boost gauge on (greddy 60mm w/peak hold and warning - very nice product I
recommend it), and I'm a little confused by what I'm seeing.  In stock form
(other than an SMF), when I mash the throttle to the floor, I get a boost
spike to about .95bar (~13.5psi), then it rapidly drops to between .6 bar and
.75 bar (8.5 - 10.6 psi), depending what gear I'm in, 1st and 2nd gear drops
down to .6, 3rd and up drops to about .7 - .75 bar, eventually it all drops
off past 5000 rpm to below .5 (~7.1 psi).  If I put it in 5th on the freeway,
and mash the throttle, it holds around .8 bar (~11.4psi) until around 5000
rpm, then it drops off. 

My question is this: are these boost levels normal with a stock setup?  I
know the '97's should have a max boost of 12 psi, and I realize the boost
spikes to 13.5 psi I'm getting are a result of the slow response from the
factory waste gates, but shouldn't the 9G's be able to hold at least .8 bar
(~11.4psi) up to at least 5000 rpm in all gears?  Should I suspect a leaky
BOV or bad waste gates, or maybe even a leak some place else in my system?  I
tapped the FPR hose to get the boost signal for my gauge, could this be a
problem?

I sure would like to get advice from you guys before I tear into my car
trying to replace the BOV and waste gates.  If this is normal for a stock set
up, will a after market boost controller be able to help me maintain .8 bar
in all gears to ~ 5000 rpm?

Also, I've heard a lot about the Blitz DSBC, but I'm also interested in the
Profec A.  Does anyone have experience with the Profec A, and which one would
you recommend?  I've heard rumors about boost spikes with the Profec, but
I've never been able to pin down if these are real or not.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Cyrus

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:59:14 -0700
From: "Jon Bach" <bach@boostinside.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Trouble Holding Boost

I'm not really sure how the 3S's are set up, but that could very well be an
intake leak of some kind. Make sure all your hoseclamps are on tight, and
you have no vacuum hoses that are leaking. Probably one of the best places
to start looking is the line between the turbo wastegate and wherever the
other end is connected (on DSM's it's off the turbo outlet). The way a lot
of restrictor boost controllers work they'll cause heavy spiking, so just
look for kinks in the hose, or the hose not being on all the way. I noticed
after I removed some restrictions in my intake and exhaust, at stock boost
it'll spike to about 11 psi and drop down to 9 psi. It could be something
you just can't fix, or something that has always been there.

Jon Bach
1991 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
Albuquerque, New Mexico

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <NassiriC@aol.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:47 PM
Subject: Team3S: Trouble Holding Boost


> Hi all,
> I'm new to this list, and new to 3S cars, I have a lot of general turbo
> performance experience, but no specific experience with 3S's, so I have a
3S
> question I really need some help with that I hope you guys can answer.
>
> I have a '97 vr-4 that I just got around to installing an accurate
electronic
> boost gauge on (greddy 60mm w/peak hold and warning - very nice product I
> recommend it), and I'm a little confused by what I'm seeing.  In stock
form
> (other than an SMF), when I mash the throttle to the floor, I get a boost
> spike to about .95bar (~13.5psi), then it rapidly drops to between .6 bar
and
> .75 bar (8.5 - 10.6 psi), depending what gear I'm in, 1st and 2nd gear
drops
> down to .6, 3rd and up drops to about .7 - .75 bar, eventually it all
drops
> off past 5000 rpm to below .5 (~7.1 psi).  If I put it in 5th on the
freeway,
> and mash the throttle, it holds around .8 bar (~11.4psi) until around 5000
> rpm, then it drops off.
>
> My question is this: are these boost levels normal with a stock setup?  I
> know the '97's should have a max boost of 12 psi, and I realize the boost
> spikes to 13.5 psi I'm getting are a result of the slow response from the
> factory waste gates, but shouldn't the 9G's be able to hold at least .8
bar
> (~11.4psi) up to at least 5000 rpm in all gears?  Should I suspect a leaky
> BOV or bad waste gates, or maybe even a leak some place else in my system?
I
> tapped the FPR hose to get the boost signal for my gauge, could this be a
> problem?
>
> I sure would like to get advice from you guys before I tear into my car
> trying to replace the BOV and waste gates.  If this is normal for a stock
set
> up, will a after market boost controller be able to help me maintain .8
bar
> in all gears to ~ 5000 rpm?
>
> Also, I've heard a lot about the Blitz DSBC, but I'm also interested in
the
> Profec A.  Does anyone have experience with the Profec A, and which one
would
> you recommend?  I've heard rumors about boost spikes with the Profec, but
> I've never been able to pin down if these are real or not.
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> Cyrus
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:00:59 EST
From: COMETOTHEZOO@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Trouble Holding Boost

In a message dated 11/1/00 1:49:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, NassiriC@aol.com
writes:

> Hi all,
>  I'm new to this list, and new to 3S cars, I have a lot of general turbo
>  performance experience, but no specific experience with 3S's, so I have a
3S
>
Welcome
>  question I really need some help with that I hope you guys can answer.

OK
>  I have a '97 vr-4 that I just got around to installing an accurate
> electronic
>  boost gauge on (greddy 60mm w/peak hold and warning - very nice product I
>  recommend it), and I'm a little confused by what I'm seeing.  In stock
form
>  (other than an SMF), when I mash the throttle to the floor, I get a boost
>  spike to about .95bar (~13.5psi), then it rapidly drops to between .6 bar
> and
>  .75 bar (8.5 - 10.6 psi), depending what gear I'm in, 1st and 2nd gear
drops
>
>  down to .6, 3rd and up drops to about .7 - .75 bar, eventually it all
drops
>  off past 5000 rpm to below .5 (~7.1 psi).  If I put it in 5th on the
freeway,

>  and mash the throttle, it holds around .8 bar (~11.4psi) until around 5000
>  rpm, then it drops off. 

>  My question is this: are these boost levels normal with a stock setup?  I
>  know the '97's should have a max boost of 12 psi, and I realize the boost
>  spikes to 13.5 psi I'm getting are a result of the slow response from the
>  factory waste gates, but shouldn't the 9G's be able to hold at least .8
bar
>  (~11.4psi) up to at least 5000 rpm in all gears?  Should I suspect a leaky
>  BOV or bad waste gates, or maybe even a leak some place else in my system?

The spike is normal however you should be able to hold 12 psi. Many people
have had a problem with leaky BOV, myself included. At about 3500 RPM if you
hear a kind of short honking sound this is your BOV leaking. I removed it and
installed an apexi BOV. The only problem with this is the ECU plans on the
extra air being there, so whats happens when you vent this air to the
atmosphere is the car will richen and stumble when you release the gas or
push the clutch in. I did not have this problem with my apex but I have seen
it happen with other BOV's. With a fuel controller like the apexi you can
overcome this occurance.
> I
>  tapped the FPR hose to get the boost signal for my gauge, could this be a
>  problem?
That may not be an accurate place to put it, the best place to put it is
directly on the intake plenum, this is where mine is.

>  I sure would like to get advice from you guys before I tear into my car
>  trying to replace the BOV and waste gates.  If this is normal for a stock
> set
>  up, will a after market boost controller be able to help me maintain .8
bar
>  in all gears to ~ 5000 rpm?
My vr4 will hold 15 psi to 5000 with a manual boost controller, and stock 9B
turbos.

>  Also, I've heard a lot about the Blitz DSBC, but I'm also interested in
the
>  Profec A.  Does anyone have experience with the Profec A, and which one
> would

It is also possible that you have a boost leak. Look at this page to properly
pressure test the boost system.
 
http://www.ecanfix.com/~amit/

>  you recommend?  I've heard rumors about boost spikes with the Profec, but
>  I've never been able to pin down if these are real or not.
>  Thanks in advance for your help.
>  Cyrus


94 3000 VR4
http://hometown.aol.com/cometothezoo/
Mike Murray


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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:30:00 -0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

I recently bought the front and rear Addco bars listed at Curts site from
Carparts.com and received both in like three days.  Unfortunately, I was
told the rear bar will only fit the SL and I returned both cause I really
wanted a stiffer rear bar, but figured the two were tuned to work together
better.  Was that correct?  Is the bar Addco lists only for the FWD cars?
Those bars after the discount were like $250 for both, nowhere near $700.
If we could get a group buy going for the two bars, maybe they could make
them for the AWD at around the same price.

Sam


- -----Original Message-----
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Cc: stealth@starnet.net <stealth@starnet.net>; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars


>At 09:48 AM 11/1/00 -0800, Geoff Mohler wrote:
>>Addco yes, but they will probly take 8 months to produce them.
>>Go custom on the end-link configuration.  Attach it closer to the "center
>>axis" of the bar itself where it crosses the car.
>>Ive done that on my MR2-Spyder (2001) and have increased stiffness about
>>20% with a fabricated end-link connection that fits around the sway bar
>>(infinitely adjustable because it slides on the bar and clamps to it) and
>>saved $700 that TRD wants for the same thing.
>>
>Geoff:
>
>I'm not sure I followed everything you said. Could you explain again about
>the "Go custom on the end-link configuration."
>What?? $700 for a %$%$#@ sway bar? Are they crazy?
>
>Rich
>
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:45:13 EST
From: NassiriC@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Trouble Holding Boost

Mike,
Thanks for your quick reply, I do get the honking noise around 3500 rpm ever
since I installed the HKS SMF, maybe I always had it, but I just hear it now
because of the open air fliter - I've heard the oil in the smf filter could
possibly cause a leak in the bov(fiction?).

Does this mean it's only leaking when I hear the honk, or does it generally
inticate that I have a leak all the time.  I don't get the honk every time.

Is there a BOV that I can buy that will vent back into the intake like the
stock unit, or will I have to rig something myself?
Thanks for your help
Cyrus

>The spike is normal however you should be able to hold >12 psi. Many people
>have had a problem with leaky BOV, myself included. At >about 3500 RPM if you
>hear a kind of short honking sound this is your BOV >leaking. I removed it
and
>installed an apexi BOV. The only problem with this is >the ECU plans on the
>extra air being there, so whats happens when you vent >this air to the
>atmosphere is the car will richen and stumble when you >release the gas or
>push the clutch in.



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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:39:28 -0600
From: "john adams" <johnqadamsiii@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Electrical Issues

Greetings,

 Hello there, first off I'm new to theTeam3S list, so howdyados to
everybody. I recently acquired a 93 Stealth ES, Automatic, green w/ tan
interior 129k. I actually purchased the car at a very good price, expecting
atleast a broken timing belt and the possibility of cyl. head damage and so
on. But, it turns out that so far after a little probing and diagnosing, the
following things were wrong: dead battery, blown ignition fuse, dirty and
loose batt. terminals, fouled out plugs, 1 quart of oil in the motor, AND
water inside the engine along with plenty of sludgey debris! The last part
was surely due to the fact that it had been ran
with no air filter for a mysterious amount of time. Well, upon finally
cranking the motor over (by the way the cams had a fairly good amount of
rust accumulated on the lobes) I blew out all of the water, and now she
cranks right up everytime like a saint! I just have to get back behind the
'runners' and replace the other 3 plugs, which i noticed you guys recommend
ngk or denson, but i picked up bosch platinum by cross referencing (not the
same one they list in their system for it) what was in there before and
comparing to another Autozone called for to make sure it seemed like a
match.
 Since they were only 1.79 each, and they didnt carry NGK, and they were out
of still another, i went with those. I wouldnt think, atleast, there would
be any issues with heat ranges and so on.
 Here is what remains next and IS an issue: first, the key won't lock and
release inside the ignition switch, and when i open the door the alarm ( i
assume) activates the lights into blinking (until i turn the ignition
forward and back once or twice). Second, the windows won't operate, and
third the headlights won't fall back down into place, although they do come
on. I was of the thinking there could be a switch, relay, fuse, or ic
controller of some variety to blame, perhaps for all three. All the fuses
seem okay though. Any thoughts on the matter? Is it possibily the alarm at
fault here? If you recommend disabling it, how would i do so?
 Also, i suppose not knowing the history of the vehicle, one of the next
things i should do very soon is replace that dog-gone timing belt.  I found
the description on the site a little hazey concerning the tension setting
bit, although i suppose that is bound to seem abstract to one who's never
seen the part up close, and who hasn't picked up the manual yet. Thanks to
whomever wrote that one up; i printed out the pages for future reference
already.
 Now, the only other thing i guess is to finish removing that crusty tint
job!

regards,
john 93 Stealth ES


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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:24:20 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

>If we could get a group buy going for the two bars, maybe they could make
>them for the AWD at around the same price.

Count me in.

Rich



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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:22:41 -0800
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Member in Puerto Rico needs VR4 help (in Spanish...)

Hey, folks,

I can't communicate with one of our members to let him know that our
list software rejects posts with fonts or formatting.  He speaks very
little English.  He has tried to post to the list, but it bounces back
to me.  Please contact him privately, and at least explain how to change
his email into "text-only".  Thanks in advance...  Here is (my
paraphrase of) his message:

To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:11:37 -0800

Hi !

I need some help!  I have a 3000GT VR4 for about 3 months and it's not
working very good. I need to fix a couple of things and need somebody
who speaks Spanish in our group, so they can help me in my language.  I
don't know enough about mechanics, but I have to do it by myself because
I don't have money to pay.  I am a student, and I do not work.

Sorry for my English, but I hope somebody can understand me and wants to
help.

Thanks,

Jesus Rodriguez
alkar@prtc.net



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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:40:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Sway bars

> always had about them - people always talk about diameter and such, but
> material should have an effect also correct?  Why is material never
> mentioned???
- ---

Most are simple spring steel.  But you bring up a GOOD point.

Theres lots of very capable HOLLOW tube sway bars out there as well...just
depends on the application and rate of stiffness you want.

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|    The proven method to make a Supra race worthy, is to   |
|   strip it down, and shove as many $20 bills as possible  |
|            within the cavity of the car itself.           |
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:48:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

If you are able to find a way..to attach the end-link farther away from
the end of the bar (closer to the middle where it crosses the car) it will
be stiffer.

A race fabrication shop could easily make something up..might have to make
up custom links, but what you end up with is a setup that can be
infinitely adjustable on BOTH sides..where you might want a stiffer LEFT
turn bar at one track..and more RIGHT turn stiffness at another..etc.

Also very easy to mark, and move.

One other trick ive seen on lots of cars (some cars are more pita than
others) is to attach the end link on the non-sway-bar end to the portion
of the strut body that turns when the wheel does.  When done right, this
will pull UP on the sway-bar as you turn the wheel even without any actual
body roll.  Increases turn-in, and helps amplify the bar stiffness the
more you have the wheel turned.

The $700 is a kit..bars, links, bushings..BS BS BS

And no..theyre not crazy.  If I was TRD, Id charge $700 as well..because
people will pay it.

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Merritt wrote:

> At 09:48 AM 11/1/00 -0800, Geoff Mohler wrote:
> >Addco yes, but they will probly take 8 months to produce them.
> >Go custom on the end-link configuration.  Attach it closer to the "center
> >axis" of the bar itself where it crosses the car.
> >Ive done that on my MR2-Spyder (2001) and have increased stiffness about
> >20% with a fabricated end-link connection that fits around the sway bar
> >(infinitely adjustable because it slides on the bar and clamps to it) and
> >saved $700 that TRD wants for the same thing.
> >
> Geoff:
>
> I'm not sure I followed everything you said. Could you explain again about
> the "Go custom on the end-link configuration."
> What?? $700 for a %$%$#@ sway bar? Are they crazy?
>
> Rich
>



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|    The proven method to make a Supra race worthy, is to   |
|   strip it down, and shove as many $20 bills as possible  |
|            within the cavity of the car itself.           |
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:53:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

Really..last spring when I wanted a set, they said (addco) they wouldnt
make more till they had 10 orders..and that usually (according to them)
takes 6-9 months to get.

I choose not to support people who operate on the business model of "Screw
you..when we get around to it" which is also why I gave up on the GT-Pro
and thier vapor-ware CF Hood.

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Sam Shelat wrote:

> I recently bought the front and rear Addco bars listed at Curts site from
> Carparts.com and received both in like three days.  Unfortunately, I was
> told the rear bar will only fit the SL and I returned both cause I really
> wanted a stiffer rear bar, but figured the two were tuned to work together
> better.  Was that correct?  Is the bar Addco lists only for the FWD cars?
> Those bars after the discount were like $250 for both, nowhere near $700.
> If we could get a group buy going for the two bars, maybe they could make
> them for the AWD at around the same price.
>
> Sam
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
> To: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
> Cc: stealth@starnet.net <stealth@starnet.net>; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Date: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 8:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars
>
>
> >At 09:48 AM 11/1/00 -0800, Geoff Mohler wrote:
> >>Addco yes, but they will probly take 8 months to produce them.
> >>Go custom on the end-link configuration.  Attach it closer to the "center
> >>axis" of the bar itself where it crosses the car.
> >>Ive done that on my MR2-Spyder (2001) and have increased stiffness about
> >>20% with a fabricated end-link connection that fits around the sway bar
> >>(infinitely adjustable because it slides on the bar and clamps to it) and
> >>saved $700 that TRD wants for the same thing.
> >>
> >Geoff:
> >
> >I'm not sure I followed everything you said. Could you explain again about
> >the "Go custom on the end-link configuration."
> >What?? $700 for a %$%$#@ sway bar? Are they crazy?
> >
> >Rich
> >
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>



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|   strip it down, and shove as many $20 bills as possible  |
|            within the cavity of the car itself.           |
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:45:36 -0600
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Sway bars

>Most are simple spring steel.  But you bring up a GOOD point.
>Theres lots of very capable HOLLOW tube sway bars out there as well...just
>depends on the application and rate of stiffness you want.
>
So what do you use?

Rich

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:01:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Sway bars

On what?

The supra has ST bars, celica stock+adjustments.

VR4 wont need stiffer ones as its "missing" about 1,000lbs right now.

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Merritt wrote:

> >Most are simple spring steel.  But you bring up a GOOD point.
> >Theres lots of very capable HOLLOW tube sway bars out there as well...just
> >depends on the application and rate of stiffness you want.
> >
> So what do you use?
>
> Rich
>



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|   strip it down, and shove as many $20 bills as possible  |
|            within the cavity of the car itself.           |
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:42:17 -0600
From: "Greg S." <wizards@mhtc.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Member in Puerto Rico needs VR4 help (in Spanish...)

Hey Bob,

I know virtually no Spanish, but I ran into a similar situation when I first
started working with one of my company's manufacturing sites that was
located deep in Mexico.  After a little bit of searching I found a free
website where you can cut and past one language (i.e. spanish) into the
dialog box, select spanish to english on the selector, then hit translate
and it converts it automatically.  It is not exactly fool proof and it will
end up selecting a wrong word every now and again if a word has multiple
meanings, but all in all it works very well .... well enough to understand
the intended meaning.  I was using it for technical conversations, so it
should work fine for mechanical discussions.  Here is the URL for the
website.  I hope it helps.  Just for Jesus' benefit, I'll run this text that
I've just typed through the translator and attach it to the end of my
message.  Good Luck!

Greg

http://www.studyspanish.com/translator.htm

Translation:
Hey Bob, No sé virtualmente ningún español, sino yo me ejecuté en una
situación similar cuándo
primero comencé a trabajar con uno de los sitios de fabricación de mi
compañía que fue situado
profundamente en Méjico. Después de que un poco buscando de mí encontrara un
website libre
donde usted puede cortar y más allá de un lenguaje (es decir español) en el
rectángulo de
diálogo, el español selecto al inglés en el selector, entonces golpeó
traduce y lo convierte
automáticamente. No es exactamente a toda prueba y terminará encima de
seleccionar una
palabra incorrecta cada ocasionalmente si una palabra tiene significados
múltiples, pero todos
en todos lo que trabaja muy bien.... bastante bien para entender el
significado previsto. Lo
utilizaba para las conversaciones técnicas, así que debe trabajar muy bien
para las discusiones
mecánicas. Aquí está el URL para el website. Espero que ayude.
Apenas para la ventaja de Jesus, ejecutaré este texto que acabo de pulsar a
través del traductor
y lo asociaré al extremo de mi mensaje. Buena Suerte!
Greg


Bob Forrest wrote:

> Hey, folks,
>
> I can't communicate with one of our members to let him know that our
> list software rejects posts with fonts or formatting.  He speaks very
> little English.  He has tried to post to the list, but it bounces back
> to me.  Please contact him privately, and at least explain how to change
> his email into "text-only".  Thanks in advance...  Here is (my
> paraphrase of) his message:
>
> To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:11:37 -0800
>
> Hi !
>
> I need some help!  I have a 3000GT VR4 for about 3 months and it's not
> working very good. I need to fix a couple of things and need somebody
> who speaks Spanish in our group, so they can help me in my language.  I
> don't know enough about mechanics, but I have to do it by myself because
> I don't have money to pay.  I am a student, and I do not work.
>
> Sorry for my English, but I hope somebody can understand me and wants to
> help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jesus Rodriguez
> alkar@prtc.net
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:14:45 -0700
From: "Ken Wheeler" <kenwheeler@phoenixdsl.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Trouble Holding Boost

8psi of boost is typical to stock setups.  You really need to get a boost
controller for more boost.  What you are describing is normal.  You're not
going to get .95 bar without a boost controller.  It's not that our stock
turbos won't handle it, mine will go above 1.2 bar, maybe higher, but that's
with a boost controller too.

Ken
'92 RT/TT
'67 Mustang

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of NassiriC@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:48 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Trouble Holding Boost


Hi all,
I'm new to this list, and new to 3S cars, I have a lot of general turbo
performance experience, but no specific experience with 3S's, so I have a 3S
question I really need some help with that I hope you guys can answer.

I have a '97 vr-4 that I just got around to installing an accurate
electronic
boost gauge on (greddy 60mm w/peak hold and warning - very nice product I
recommend it), and I'm a little confused by what I'm seeing.  In stock form
(other than an SMF), when I mash the throttle to the floor, I get a boost
spike to about .95bar (~13.5psi), then it rapidly drops to between .6 bar
and
.75 bar (8.5 - 10.6 psi), depending what gear I'm in, 1st and 2nd gear drops
down to .6, 3rd and up drops to about .7 - .75 bar, eventually it all drops
off past 5000 rpm to below .5 (~7.1 psi).  If I put it in 5th on the
freeway,
and mash the throttle, it holds around .8 bar (~11.4psi) until around 5000
rpm, then it drops off.

My question is this: are these boost levels normal with a stock setup?  I
know the '97's should have a max boost of 12 psi, and I realize the boost
spikes to 13.5 psi I'm getting are a result of the slow response from the
factory waste gates, but shouldn't the 9G's be able to hold at least .8 bar
(~11.4psi) up to at least 5000 rpm in all gears?  Should I suspect a leaky
BOV or bad waste gates, or maybe even a leak some place else in my system?
I
tapped the FPR hose to get the boost signal for my gauge, could this be a
problem?

I sure would like to get advice from you guys before I tear into my car
trying to replace the BOV and waste gates.  If this is normal for a stock
set
up, will a after market boost controller be able to help me maintain .8 bar
in all gears to ~ 5000 rpm?

Also, I've heard a lot about the Blitz DSBC, but I'm also interested in the
Profec A.  Does anyone have experience with the Profec A, and which one
would
you recommend?  I've heard rumors about boost spikes with the Profec, but
I've never been able to pin down if these are real or not.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Cyrus

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:27:49 -0800
From: "Dusan R. Simovic" <dusanboy@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: Throttle Position Sensor

Hello everyone,
How difficult would it be to have my throttle position sensor replaced? I
plan on trying to do this myself... is it possible to do so for someone who
has almost no experience with cars? BTW, I have a base '92 Stealth.
Thanks in advance!

Regards
Dusan


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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:25:48 EST
From: COMETOTHEZOO@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Trouble Holding Boost

In a message dated 11/1/00 3:45:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, NassiriC writes:

> Mike,
>  Thanks for your quick reply, I do get the honking noise around 3500 rpm
ever
> since I installed the HKS SMF, maybe I always had it, but I just hear it
now
> because of the open air fliter - I've heard the oil in the smf filter could
> possibly cause a leak in the bov(fiction?).

No there is more oil in the intercooling piping than you would get from an
air filter typically unless it has been over oiled.

>  Does this mean it's only leaking when I hear the honk, or does it
generally
> inticate that I have a leak all the time.  I don't get the honk every time.

No that is when it is leaking the most. The rest of the time it is minor.
They all do it, it is a manufacturing flaw (thanks mitsu).

>  Is there a BOV that I can buy that will vent back into the intake like the
> stock unit, or will I have to rig something myself?

Yes you will have to rig it yourself some people here on the list have used
the 1st generation BOV from the DSM (eclipse,talon), but it requires the
making of a flange.
>  Thanks for your help
>  Cyrus



94 3000 VR4
http://hometown.aol.com/cometothezoo/
Mike Murray

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:30:40 EST
From: COMETOTHEZOO@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Trouble Holding Boost

In a message dated 11/1/00 7:16:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kenwheeler@phoenixdsl.com writes:

> 8psi of boost is typical to stock setups.  You really need to get a boost
>  controller for more boost.  What you are describing is normal.  You're not
>  going to get .95 bar without a boost controller.  It's not that our stock
>  turbos won't handle it, mine will go above 1.2 bar, maybe higher, but
that's
>  with a boost controller too.

Unless I am mistaken I am pretty sure the 94+ models wastegate actuates at 12
psi. The earlier models were set to hold to about 8 psi. But absolutely a
electronic boost controller will even out, and raise the pressure that you
can hold.

94 3000 VR4
http://hometown.aol.com/cometothezoo/
Mike Murray

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:32:28 EST
From: COMETOTHEZOO@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Throttle Position Sensor

In a message dated 11/1/00 7:26:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dusanboy@ix.netcom.com writes:

> Hello everyone,
>  How difficult would it be to have my throttle position sensor replaced? I
>  plan on trying to do this myself... is it possible to do so for someone who
>  has almost no experience with cars? BTW, I have a base '92 Stealth.
>  Thanks in advance!

With the manual and the part this is very easy to do.

94 3000 VR4
http://hometown.aol.com/cometothezoo/
Mike Murray

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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:54:44 -0600
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Trouble Holding Boost

> Unless I am mistaken I am pretty sure the 94+ models
> wastegate actuates at 12 psi. The earlier models were
> set to hold to about 8 psi. But absolutely a
> electronic boost controller will even out, and raise
> the pressure that you can hold.

You are mistaken.  ;-)

The wastegates are identical across all models and years, opening somewhere
between 6 and 8 psi.  The '91-93 cars have a small plastic orifice
restrictor inserted into the boost control solenoid which reduces the amount
of pressure it can bleed away from the wastegate signal line and allowing
somewhere around 8-10 psi of boost to be generated.  The '94-99 cars do not
have the orifice restrictor, allowing more pressure to be bled away from the
wastegates and upping boost a couple more psi.

The stock boost control system is going to be the least accurate way to go,
as with any bleed-off style boost controller.  Switch to a pressure-control
manual controller or a high quality electronic controller and you'll see
much better boost control.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:48:51 -0000
From: <martin@star.co.uk>
Subject: Team3S: Speedo help

 Hi All
My speedo has packed in, anyone got any ideas on where i can start
troubleshooting?
It's  92 GTO TT
Thanks in advance
Martin

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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:24:27 EST
From: NassiriC@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Kid in a candy store

Ok, so I've probably over extended my 'question' privilege on this great
list, but I got such a great response from my last question, I just have to
ask another one, before I ask, I just have to say thanks to all the great
guys that responded to my last question:
Mike M. - thanks for clearing up the 'honk' thing
Ken M.
Ken ('92 RT/TT)
Gordon
George
Bob F. - thanks for the original invite to the list, and reminding me about
the 3si/3S thing.
All great guys, that I thank a lot for taking time out of their busy days to
respond to my post - thanks!

My question:  Boost controllers - what do you all recommend?  Blitz, HKS,
Greddy, so many to choose from, so few facts.... as a long time software
engineer, the 'fuzzy logic' of the hks and Greddy appeal to me, but I've only
been able to get first hand accounts about the Blitz (DSBC).  3S Veterans out
there must have strong opinions about these controllers - personal
experiences, first hand knowledge, urban legends  ... any info, I'll take it!

Side Note: I'm looking for a few junk (cracked, warped, wasted) 3S heads to
try some porting and polishing on.  I have access to a good flow bench and I
have a lot of experience prepping heads.  I'll pay shipping to my house.  If
things work out, I'll prep your good heads for FREE as a thanks for taking
the time to send me your junk heads.  I'm not promising anything big here,
and I only need a few heads with at least one good combustion chamber ( no
cracks, valve dings, and the intake and exhaust valves must be in place).  If
you have some junk 3S heads let me know and we'll see what we can work out.
Thanks
Cyrus

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