team3s            Monday, October 23 2000            Volume 01 : Number 302




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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:57:09 -0700
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Smell gas, bad mileage, car runs well?

For the last 2 weeks, I've noticed a gas smell when I come to a stop
sometimes.  My friend said that when he followed me, he smelled lots of gas
when I first started the car and took off, but not as much after that.  My
mileage the last week was 11mpg. The car runs well otherwise.  When I stop
the car and open the hood, I don't smell any gas.  When I try to look for
the smell, I don't smell it.  Anyone have any ideas?  Is this unburned fuel
from the exhaust or fuel leaking from one of the fuel lines?  Bad fuel
regulator?

Thanks,
Chris
92 TT


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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 08:13:44 -0500
From: "Dale T. Kroetz" <kroetz@mvn.net>
Subject: Team3S: [Fwd: Need Parts{Steering wheel radio controls}]

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Trying to send this again. I got the undeliverable mail message the 1st
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:25:41 -0500
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I need the steering wheel radio controls from a 1st generation 3000GT.
Is anybody parting out a car that has this item in good working
condition?

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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:33:46 -0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Door Speakers

I have 6.5" mids in my doors.  They are Boston Acoustic Pros and they sound
awesome!

Sam
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dale T. Kroetz <kroetz@mvn.net>
To: 3000GT List <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:17 PM
Subject: Team3S: Door Speakers


>Can someone tell me what size the door speakers are in a 92SL? Someone
>else told me they were 5 1/4's so that's what I bought. Not even close!
>Will Alpine 6 1/2's fit and wire up properly? There was some kind of
>funky connector on them that would not have fit my 5 1/4 Alpines anyway.
>
>--
>
>
>
>Dale T. Kroetz
>kroetz@mvn.net
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:43:41 -0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 275/40R17 on stock rims?

The tire should not be more than 1" wider than the tire width for the best
control of the side wall.  This is something I read from a Goodyear FAQ
which explained what the P-metric numbers were all about in a Car Craft
magazine.  Rich, I would say 8" is too narrow because my stock 18x8.5" VR-4
chromes have stock size 245/40--  I went to 265/35 and cornering became
mushy and high speed was floaty, so I ended back with the stock size and it
feels much better, but the tires look so narrow.

Sam
- -----Original Message-----
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
To: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>; Jeff <spydervr4@home.com>
Cc: Team3S <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: 275/40R17 on stock rims?


>At 09:05 PM 10/19/00 -0700, Geoff Mohler wrote:
>>It'll be "safe" but it will be impossible to grip well.
>>Far too much sidewall to get a flat face on the ground, and you'll scrub
>>on the edge of the tires pretty hard too because the sidewalls will be too
>>soft from the poor fitment.
>>They WILL be better than street tires, just a few seconds shorter than
>>optimal times on 10" wheels where 275 race tires belong.
>
>I have Milli Miglia Emotion wheels, 8 in. wide, and Tire Rack said these
>would be OK to mount my Kuhmo race tires on. Have I been fibbed to?  Where
>does it say you gotta use 10 in. wheels?  Please state yer reference.
>
>Rich
>>
>>On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Jeff wrote:
>>
>>> Hey guys, I have a set of 4 275/40R17 Kumho V700's but I have no rims to
>put
>>> them on right now, except for my stock Spyder rims which I believe are
>>> 17x8.5.  Would it be safe to put these tires on those rims?  Seems like
>they
>>> wouldn't be wide enough, but if I remember correctly, my first 3000GT
many
>>> years ago had 275/40R17 Goodyears on the stock '93 VR-4 rims and that
>worked
>>> fine.  Any recommendations?
>>>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:57:32 -0000
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: pics from the FIPK install

I feel for you.  I had the same problem with mine.  However, what I did was
this.  I took a cold chisel and took off the plastic ridges that got mangled
by the flat washer piece easily digging through them while spinning.  This
gave me just enough room to get locking pliars on just the edges of this
flat metel piece and lock them down tight.  I then took a small 1/4"
wratchet and muscled them off.  I had to reset the pliars a couple times,
but it worked.  Took me like 1/2 hr just to get the four off!

Sam
- -----Original Message-----
From: Schilberg, Darren <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
To: 'kalla@tripoint.org' <kalla@tripoint.org>; team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
<team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Cc: Melville, Trevor <tmelville@freemarkets.com>
Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: pics from the FIPK install


>It depends on the car and environment.  Soaking it with Liquid Wrench or
>WD-40 for a day will also work.  Mine was about 5-1/2 years old so it was
>stuck in there quite nicely.  Fortunately, my friend got the job of
removing
>the airbox so he went through all the pain with the Dremmel tool.
>
>Those Southern cars in nice warm climates of no snow or road salt getting
up
>in their engines might have an easier time than I did (got the car from New
>York four months ago).  Don't know how clean he kept the engine or if stuff
>was spilled all over the airbox that helped seal it together.
>
>--Flash!
>dschilberg@freemarkets.com
>
>3Si #577
>1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK, a Valentine One, and a custom spark plug plate
>http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Walton C. Gibson [mailto:kalla@tripoint.org]
>Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:41 PM
>To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
>Subject: RE: Team3S: pics from the FIPK install
>
>> > The pictures from my FIPK install.
>
>Wow! Are some people *really* having this much trouble installing
>the FIPK? Why? What's causing you to have to use a drill on the
>stock airbox? It only took me like 20 minute start to finish, all I
>needed was pliers, a philips head screwdriver, and allen wrenches
>(for those silly nuts that k&n provides you).
>
>Walton C. Gibson
>kalla@tripoint.org
>
>
>
>> <snip>
>> > http://www.bart.kurek.com/pictures/3000gt/intake01.jpg
>> > http://www.bart.kurek.com/pictures/3000gt/intake02.jpg
>> > http://www.bart.kurek.com/pictures/3000gt/intake03.jpg
>> > http://www.bart.kurek.com/pictures/3000gt/intake04.jpg
>> > http://www.bart.kurek.com/pictures/3000gt/intake05.jpg
>> >
>> > -Bart Kurek
>>
>>
>> Holy crap, Bart - you went *crazy* on that thing!  Just so those who
>> haven't installed a FIPK don't have a cow, it *is* possible to get the
>> airbox housing off without cutting the box to shreds... just have to
>> be patient with some wrenches/pliers.  Having a friend to hold the
>> bolt ends while you turn the nuts is helpful as well.  Although... I
>> imagine Bart had more fun getting his off - more power tools = more
>> fun:)  BTW, Bart, grab a set of needle-nose pliers and straighten out
>> the honeycombs in there - your MAS will thank you.
>>
>> --Erik
>
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:39:04 EDT
From: Merlin916@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Smell gas, bad mileage, car runs well?

Chris,

        If the unburned fuel was coming from the exhaust, that would mean it
was not getting burned up in the combustion chamber.  This would either be
because you had  a dead misfire, or you were running rich.  In a dead miss
sintuation, that car would be shaking like all hell.  So since you say it
feels like its running right, im going to have to say youre running to rich. 
Now, if youre getting 11 mpg, youre probably running full rich.  The only
reason you dont see a cloud of dark smoke coming from your exhaust, is your
cat is doing its job.  What you need to do is get into a shop with four or
five fas analyzer.  This will give you the levels of HC(fuel), CO(carbon
monoxide), CO2(carbon dioxide) and O2(oxygen of course) coming from your
exhaust.  My guess is that your HC reading will be high, and your CO2 low. 
HC would normally be around 200 or a little less for that car.  If you have a
mis - itll be up in the 800+ range.  In a normally working car, CO2 (which is
used to indicate "combustion effiency")  should be around 12 or maybe a
little higher.  CO is whats used as a "rich indicator"  I forget exactly what
the numbers should be for CO on our cars, but they should have that
information at the shop.  These readings will give you a good idea of your
problem.  The source may be as simple as a bad O2 sensor, or they could be
the result of something bigger that I cant even guess at.

    If all of these numbers are normal then you look for a fuel leak
somewhere.  Preassure check your fuel injectors, then check the line right
back to the tank.  Dont expect to find little droplets of fuel in your
driveway.  Gasoline is very volatile, itll hit the ground and vaporize
shortly thereafter. 

Let me know how it goes.

Joe


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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:30:32 -0500
From: "Paul T. Golley" <ptgolley@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Tire question: Bridgestone Potenza S-02 Pole Position vs. Yokahama AVS Sport

>You may want to check also the Firestone Firehawk SZ50 EP.  It's cheaper
>than Potenza and wears longer, but with a very high dry traction rating.


What is detrimental about a high dry traction rating?  (I thought the gov't
traction rating was about wet traction.)  Am I wrong?
Regards,
ptg


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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:07:57 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Tire question: Bridgestone Potenza S-02 Pole Position vs. Yokahama AVS Sport

I believe you misinterpretted the intent of the message.  While the SZ50 has
better wear characteristics, it also has better dry traction.  Usually these
come at the expense of the other.

I own these tires and they are excellent in the wet too.  They are by far
the best of the top 4 performance oriented tires I have tried on my VR4.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Paul T. Golley
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 6:31 PM
> To: Watkins, Jim; 'Mike Baldwin'
> Cc: Team3S (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Tire question: Bridgestone Potenza S-02 Pole
> Position vs. Yokahama AVS Sport
>
>
>
>
> >You may want to check also the Firestone Firehawk SZ50 EP.  It's cheaper
> >than Potenza and wears longer, but with a very high dry traction rating.
>
>
> What is detrimental about a high dry traction rating?  (I thought
> the gov't
> traction rating was about wet traction.)  Am I wrong?
> Regards,
> ptg
>
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:58:36 EST
From: "Rick H." <tt_3kgt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Vacumm Hose

I have a a question about vacumm hose. I was out on hosetechniques.com and
was going to place a order when I realized that i didn't know the size that
I was going to need. I know that there is bound to be someone else out there
that has redone there engine bay in silicone and knows about how much and
what sizes are needed to do the job. If anyone could provide me with this
information it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Rick-
93 3KGT VR-4
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