team3s           Wednesday, October 11 2000           Volume 01 : Number 290




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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:10:45 -0500
From: "Trent" <bdtrent@netzero.net>
Subject: Team3S: Open Course Brakes

Rich,

Your brake info is helpfull.  I hope to return the favor by joining you at
an event.  It looks like my main track is going to be Putnam Park (just east
of Indianapolis), but I've always wanted to drive Road America.  I still
have a couple of questions on your breaks:

Did the 94's switch to 18" wheels? I thought that was later.
After boiling my brake fluid at my first Track Time event, the track side
tech. put in fresh Motul.  This seemed to solve the problem, but the tech
pointed out that the problem is terminal since pads, rotors, and caliper
upgrades will do nothing to control the heat problem.
The washer spray sounds like a good idea, but dosn't this cause metellurgy
problems pouring water on red hot rotors?
Are there any heat concerns with the struts and other surrounding hardware
by removing the back rotor shield?
Can we add more balance to the back brakes?
Are there any specific recommendations on ordering the porterfields.
Were those your Stillen rotors on the Track Guys web site that failed?
Sorry about the excessive curriosity, I'm trying to gear up for the spring.

Regards,
Dave T/92TT/13g's/500RC's/Badbrakes
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:30:13 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Open Course Brakes

>Your brake info is helpfull.  I hope to return the favor by joining you at
>an event.  It looks like my main track is going to be Putnam Park (just east
>of Indianapolis),

I thought it was southwest

>but I've always wanted to drive Road America.

Blackhawk Farms is just up the road from you -- 90 miles north of Chicago.
They may also run events at Indianapolis Raceway Park.

 I still
>have a couple of questions on your breaks:
>Did the 94's switch to 18" wheels?

No. still 17.


I thought that was later.
>After boiling my brake fluid at my first Track Time event, the track side
>tech. put in fresh Motul.  This seemed to solve the problem, but the tech
>pointed out that the problem is terminal since pads, rotors, and caliper
>upgrades will do nothing to control the heat problem.

He's wrong. Brad's Big Reds solve the heat problem (until you bang on them
from 125 mph repeatedly at Road America). There are enough of us running
the 993 calipers to prove that. BTW,  Ford high performance brake fluid
works just as well as the expensive Motul at a fraction of the price.

>The washer spray sounds like a good idea, but dosn't this cause metellurgy
>problems pouring water on red hot rotors?

No. The water flashes to steam anyway. It hasn't caused any problems yet
with the Porterfield rotors. I wouldn't want to spray cold water on the
rotors while standing still in the paddock, though. I dunno what that would
do.

>Are there any heat concerns with the struts and other surrounding hardware
>by removing the back rotor shield?

No. the shield is there to keep dirt and gunk out of the brakes, not to
protect parts from heat.

>Can we add more balance to the back brakes?

Love to. Tell me how.

>Are there any specific recommendations on ordering the porterfields.

Yep. Order the cyrogenically treated stock rotors. Not drilled or slotted.
They are $150 each, but we get a 20% discount. Mention the 3S list.

>Were those your Stillen rotors on the Track Guys web site that failed?

Nope. I was running PowerSlots but I broke two of them exactly the same
way. I think all those inferior rotors come from the same supplier. Stick
to Porterfield.

>Sorry about the excessive curriosity, I'm trying to gear up for the spring.

Looking forward to seeing you on the track.
>
Rich

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:36:40 -0700
From: Richard <radanc@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotor Update

No, the 993 comes from the 911 or the 911 TT cars. Two different systems
though there. I have some links to help clarify this if you want.

Rich
92 Stealth TT

Sam Shelat wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
> To: kalla@tripoint.org <kalla@tripoint.org>; Team3S
> <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Date: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotor Update
>
> .  The best bang for the buck is Brad Bedells Porsche Big Red
> >caliper upgrade with one-piece rotors at $1500.  Terry at KVR suggests that
> the
> >Porsche 928 caliper would be a better caliper for our heavy cars than the
> Big
> >Red.  A kit with 928 calipers and a two-piece rotor with Porsche 322mm disk
>
> I thought the 993 calipers were from  the 928-s4
>
> Sam
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:06:39 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update: Engine lockup

I would stay away from those RPS clutches if at all possible.  Myself
included, a lot of 3S'ers have had bad clutches lately from them.  On any
launch, they would slip out causing the car to redline, and on normal
driving are very chattery.  Just my (and many others, I'm sure) 2hp.

Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)

Bob Forrest wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geddes, Brian J"
> <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
> ----------------snip------------
> > Now would of course be an ideal time to drop in a non-OEM clutch if I
> so
> > chose.  I've always been pretty happy with the stock clutch (I have a
> base
> > model)...any input on pros/cons of an aftermarket clutch?
>
> Hey, Brian,
>
> Glad to hear the damage is so "minor"...  :-)
>
> The stock clutch is excellent, especially for our NT cars, but I wanted
> something with a little more positive grip.  I got the RPS "Carbon Claw"
> and couldn't be happier.  You can still slip it, but when you pop that
> pedal, there is no slip at all.  My lady loves it too.  It's a bit more
> work in stop-and-go traffic, but other than that, it's just what I
> wanted.  That said, I'd have no problem putting in another stock clutch.
> The Carbon Claw is just a bit better for my purposes - highly
> recommended...
>
> Best,
>
> Forrest
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:20:48 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Update: Engine lockup

> I would stay away from those RPS clutches if at all
> possible.  Myself included, a lot of 3S'ers have had
> bad clutches lately from them.  On any launch, they
> would slip out causing the car to redline, and on
> normal driving are very chattery.  Just my (and
> many others, I'm sure) 2hp.

Both Bob and Brian are talking about clutches for naturally aspirated
models.  I haven't heard anything negative on RPS' clutch for those cars...
The Turbo Carbon Claw seems to have given people grief though.  Some have
had success, most of the responses have been negative.  Obviously you'll
tend to hear negative stories more often than positive ones, but I'm afraid
of the RPS turbo clutches at this point.

I hope something good/reliable comes along before I need to put a clutch in
my car!  I may try the Turbo Carbon Claw Stage III (carbon/kevlar pucks)
that Jack Tertadian uses if RPS makes good on their product for the people
that have had trouble, otherwise it is looking like the ACT will go in my
car.  I had the 2600lb ACT in my Eclipse GSX and liked it a lot.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:00:26 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rotor Update

1450.00 is the price I've been selling the "kits" at.   The kit does not
include rotors. (due to the problem of different brands breaking)

Caliper Part #'s are:

993-351-425-10
993-351-426-10

They retail at a nifty 395.50 each.

Brad
Check out my home page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682

No, the 993 comes from the 911 or the 911 TT cars. Two different systems
though there. I have some links to help clarify this if you want.

Rich
92 Stealth TT

Sam Shelat wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
> To: kalla@tripoint.org <kalla@tripoint.org>; Team3S
> <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Date: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotor Update
>
> .  The best bang for the buck is Brad Bedells Porsche Big Red
> >caliper upgrade with one-piece rotors at $1500.  Terry at KVR suggests
that
> the
> >Porsche 928 caliper would be a better caliper for our heavy cars than the
> Big
> >Red.  A kit with 928 calipers and a two-piece rotor with Porsche 322mm
disk
>
> I thought the 993 calipers were from  the 928-s4
>
> Sam
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:19:32 GMT
From: "Greg Gonzales" <greggonzo1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Uneven tire wear

I have Bridgestone Potenza RE71 245/45R17 tires on my 92 RT TT. I has only
been a year since I put the tires on. I took it to a shop and had the tires
mounted and had a 4 wheel alignment done.
I began to notice some vibration about a month ago so I figured it was time
to take it in to get the rotated and balanced. Well When I took it in to
have them rotated the service guy waved me over and told me to look at the
tire... I looked at it and thought"Man that tire is messed up good thing its
not mine. Well it was mine!.
My two front tires were severally worn on the inside down to the radial!
The rear were fine and still looked really well.
MY question is was this a bad alignment done on my car? or could they be
rubbing somehow? They are the stock size and the previous tires didnt wear
like this. Should I pursue the place that mounted them in the first place? I
have never hit a curb or anything that I thought would mess up the
alignment. The treadwear is identical on both fron tires so I am thinking
that the alignment was not done correctly.
Any advice? take them back to firestone?
Thanks in advance
Greg G 92 RT TT
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:25:40 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update: Engine lockup

- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Stanton" <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
> I would stay away from those RPS clutches if at all possible.  Myself
> included, a lot of 3S'ers have had bad clutches lately from them.  On
any
> launch, they would slip out causing the car to redline, and on normal
> driving are very chattery.  Just my (and many others, I'm sure) 2hp.

FYI...  You're referring to the "Turbo Carbon Claw" clutch for the turbo
3S models, which is a different animal than the "Carbon Claw" clutch I
recommended for the NT cars.  Many people have had problems with the
'turbo' clutches, but not even all versions of that - Jack T's car has a
6-puck dual-material RPS clutch (Carbon & Kevlar) that's doing just fine
at latest report.  And my NT "Carbon Claw" clutch IS excellent.

Just want to set the record straight before we publicly condemn an
entire company.  But I too would think twice about which flavor of
"Turbo Carbon Claw" I was ordering for a TT/VR-4...

Best,

Forrest

> Bob Forrest wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geddes, Brian J"
> > <brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
> > ----------------snip------------
> > > Now would of course be an ideal time to drop in a non-OEM clutch
if I
> > so
> > > chose.  I've always been pretty happy with the stock clutch (I
have a
> > base
> > > model)...any input on pros/cons of an aftermarket clutch?
> >
> > Hey, Brian,
> >
> > Glad to hear the damage is so "minor"...  :-)
> >
> > The stock clutch is excellent, especially for our NT cars, but I
wanted
> > something with a little more positive grip.  I got the RPS "Carbon
Claw"
> > and couldn't be happier.  You can still slip it, but when you pop
that
> > pedal, there is no slip at all.  My lady loves it too.  It's a bit
more
> > work in stop-and-go traffic, but other than that, it's just what I
> > wanted.  That said, I'd have no problem putting in another stock
clutch.
> > The Carbon Claw is just a bit better for my purposes - highly
> > recommended...
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Forrest
> >




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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:55:46 +0100
From: "martin" <martin@star.co.uk>
Subject: Team3S: ECU help

Hi Guys
I thought my O2 sensor had packed up so i had a top Mitsubishi technical
trainer hook up the Mitsubishi scan tool on my car (92 3000 GTO TT)
and he told me that the sensor was fine and working correctly.
This may sound like good news, but as i was driving away i noticed first of
all that my touring/sport lights were constantly flashing and then that my
speedo wasn't working which in turn stopped my Sat Nav and active aero from
working as well.
I know that the active aero and Sat Nav system both rely on signal from the
speedo so i know if i can get to the root of the problem with the speedo
then the rest will follow.
Has anyone got any ideas on how i can check out the speedo?
I called the Mitsu guy and he says that i can't possibly be the scan tool
and that he thinks it is a loose wire somewhere.
You don't have to mail comments on that remark i already know what everyone
will think to that b******s
Help
regards
Martin



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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:17:52 -0500
From: "Walton C. Gibson" <kalla@tripoint.org>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Update: Engine lockup

> I would stay away from those RPS clutches if at all possible.  Myself
> included, a lot of 3S'ers have had bad clutches lately from them.  On any
> launch, they would slip out causing the car to redline, and on normal
> driving are very chattery.  Just my (and many others, I'm sure) 2hp.

I ended up getting the RPS Stage II anyway. I had it put in last
week. I only have four hundred miles on it, but it seems really
good. It hasn't chattered or slipped at all. I haven't finished a good
break in period, so I haven't done any hard launches with it yet.


Walton C. Gibson
kalla@tripoint.org

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:36:47 +0200
From: Jim Matthews <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: Team3S: radio compatibility

I'm posting this for a friend with a '92 VR-4 who is not on the list.  His
original radio has a lot of static and the one he bought on EBay has a slightly
different connector.  Please respond to him directly
(mailto:mjramos1@compuserve.com).  Thanks!

> The radio that I bought over ebay was from a 1993 VR-4.  The
> seller suggested that I might find to someone that was selling
> parts from a 93 VR-4 and try to buy the stock radio harness from
> them.  I don't think it's very likely that I can find someone
> who would part with this particular item, but, you never know.
> Could you post it and see what turns up? 
>
> I'm also going to try again to get my original fixed so if you
> could also ask if anyone knows how I can get hold of the wiring
> diagram for the stock radio on the 1992 VR-4 that might be helpful
> too.  Thanks for your help.

- --
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:50:55 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Uneven tire wear

> My two front tires were severally worn on the inside
> down to the radial!

Sounds like the alignment place set up too much negative camber on the
front, or at some point toe was set wrong.  Uneven tire wear is almost
always due to alignment issues.  Did the alignment place give you a paper
with the specs and measurements on it?

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:27:03 -0500
From: "Kyle Meyer" <kyle@logicaldirection.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RPS Clutches (NA)

I had a RPS Turboclutch (right name?) in my NA Stealth a while back, and had
absolutely wonderful luck with it. It had a much more positive feel, bit
like a you know what, and got rid of the spongy clutch dumps. I don't know
how much harder on the tranny it was, but it was a great clutch.

I did drive it much harder, and I got around 20-25k miles out of it.
- -Kyle

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Jannusch, Matt
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:21 PM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Update: Engine lockup
>
>
> > I would stay away from those RPS clutches if at all
> > possible.  Myself included, a lot of 3S'ers have had
> > bad clutches lately from them.  On any launch, they
> > would slip out causing the car to redline, and on
> > normal driving are very chattery.  Just my (and
> > many others, I'm sure) 2hp.
>
> Both Bob and Brian are talking about clutches for naturally aspirated
> models.  I haven't heard anything negative on RPS' clutch for
> those cars...
> The Turbo Carbon Claw seems to have given people grief though.  Some have
> had success, most of the responses have been negative.  Obviously you'll
> tend to hear negative stories more often than positive ones, but
> I'm afraid
> of the RPS turbo clutches at this point.
>
> I hope something good/reliable comes along before I need to put a
> clutch in
> my car!  I may try the Turbo Carbon Claw Stage III (carbon/kevlar pucks)
> that Jack Tertadian uses if RPS makes good on their product for the people
> that have had trouble, otherwise it is looking like the ACT will go in my
> car.  I had the 2600lb ACT in my Eclipse GSX and liked it a lot.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:57:24 -0700
From: "Todd Schmalzried" <Q11981@email.mot.com>
Subject: Team3S: Blitz DSBC install manual.

Does anyone have the link to the above? The link I found it under before
doesn't work anymore.

Thanks

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:22:11 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Blitz DSBC install manual.

- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Schmalzried"
<Q11981@email.mot.com>
To: "stealth" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>

> Does anyone have the link to the above? The link I found it under
before
> doesn't work anymore.
>
> Thanks

It's on the Team3S website, in our FAQ Pages :
http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/FAQdsbcmanual.htm

It's by Admin Roger Gerl, who's been moving his files to his new
personal website, so the old link might have been replaced...

Best,

Forrest



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