team3s
Wednesday, October 11
2000 Volume 01 :
Number
290
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Date:
Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:10:45 -0500
From: "Trent" <
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Subject:
Team3S: Open Course Brakes
Rich,
Your brake info is
helpfull. I hope to return the favor by joining you at
an event.
It looks like my main track is going to be Putnam Park (just east
of
Indianapolis), but I've always wanted to drive Road America. I
still
have a couple of questions on your breaks:
Did the 94's switch
to 18" wheels? I thought that was later.
After boiling my brake fluid at my
first Track Time event, the track side
tech. put in fresh Motul. This
seemed to solve the problem, but the tech
pointed out that the problem is
terminal since pads, rotors, and caliper
upgrades will do nothing to control
the heat problem.
The washer spray sounds like a good idea, but dosn't this
cause metellurgy
problems pouring water on red hot rotors?
Are there any
heat concerns with the struts and other surrounding hardware
by removing the
back rotor shield?
Can we add more balance to the back brakes?
Are there
any specific recommendations on ordering the porterfields.
Were those your
Stillen rotors on the Track Guys web site that failed?
Sorry about the
excessive curriosity, I'm trying to gear up for the
spring.
Regards,
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:30:13
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From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Open Course Brakes
>Your brake info is helpfull. I
hope to return the favor by joining you at
>an event. It looks like
my main track is going to be Putnam Park (just east
>of Indianapolis),
I thought it was southwest
>but I've always wanted to drive
Road America.
Blackhawk Farms is just up the road from you -- 90 miles
north of Chicago.
They may also run events at Indianapolis Raceway
Park.
I still
>have a couple of questions on your
breaks:
>Did the 94's switch to 18" wheels?
No. still
17.
I thought that was later.
>After boiling my brake fluid at
my first Track Time event, the track side
>tech. put in fresh Motul.
This seemed to solve the problem, but the tech
>pointed out that the
problem is terminal since pads, rotors, and caliper
>upgrades will do
nothing to control the heat problem.
He's wrong. Brad's Big Reds solve
the heat problem (until you bang on them
from 125 mph repeatedly at Road
America). There are enough of us running
the 993 calipers to prove that.
BTW, Ford high performance brake fluid
works just as well as the
expensive Motul at a fraction of the price.
>The washer spray sounds
like a good idea, but dosn't this cause metellurgy
>problems pouring water
on red hot rotors?
No. The water flashes to steam anyway. It hasn't
caused any problems yet
with the Porterfield rotors. I wouldn't want to spray
cold water on the
rotors while standing still in the paddock, though. I dunno
what that would
do.
>Are there any heat concerns with the struts
and other surrounding hardware
>by removing the back rotor
shield?
No. the shield is there to keep dirt and gunk out of the brakes,
not to
protect parts from heat.
>Can we add more balance to the
back brakes?
Love to. Tell me how.
>Are there any specific
recommendations on ordering the porterfields.
Yep. Order the
cyrogenically treated stock rotors. Not drilled or slotted.
They are $150
each, but we get a 20% discount. Mention the 3S list.
>Were those your
Stillen rotors on the Track Guys web site that failed?
Nope. I was
running PowerSlots but I broke two of them exactly the same
way. I think all
those inferior rotors come from the same supplier. Stick
to Porterfield.
>Sorry about the excessive curriosity, I'm trying to gear up for the
spring.
Looking forward to seeing you on the track.
>
Rich
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:36:40
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From: Richard <
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Subject: Re: Team3S:
Rotor Update
No, the 993 comes from the 911 or the 911 TT cars. Two
different systems
though there. I have some links to help clarify this if you
want.
Rich
92 Stealth TT
Sam Shelat wrote:
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Middaugh <
Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
>
To:
kalla@tripoint.org <
kalla@tripoint.org>; Team3S
>
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Date: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotor
Update
>
> . The best bang for the buck is Brad Bedells
Porsche Big Red
> >caliper upgrade with one-piece rotors at
$1500. Terry at KVR suggests that
> the
> >Porsche 928
caliper would be a better caliper for our heavy cars than the
>
Big
> >Red. A kit with 928 calipers and a two-piece rotor with
Porsche 322mm disk
>
> I thought the 993 calipers were from
the 928-s4
>
> Sam
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:06:39
-0400
From: Ken Stanton <
tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Update: Engine lockup
I would stay away from those RPS clutches
if at all possible. Myself
included, a lot of 3S'ers have had bad
clutches lately from them. On any
launch, they would slip out causing
the car to redline, and on normal
driving are very chattery. Just my
(and many others, I'm sure) 2hp.
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White
RT/TT
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)
Bob Forrest wrote:
>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Geddes, Brian J"
> <
brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
>
----------------snip------------
> > Now would of course be an ideal
time to drop in a non-OEM clutch if I
> so
> > chose. I've
always been pretty happy with the stock clutch (I have a
> base
>
> model)...any input on pros/cons of an aftermarket clutch?
>
>
Hey, Brian,
>
> Glad to hear the damage is so "minor"...
:-)
>
> The stock clutch is excellent, especially for our NT cars,
but I wanted
> something with a little more positive grip. I got the
RPS "Carbon Claw"
> and couldn't be happier. You can still slip it,
but when you pop that
> pedal, there is no slip at all. My lady
loves it too. It's a bit more
> work in stop-and-go traffic, but
other than that, it's just what I
> wanted. That said, I'd have no
problem putting in another stock clutch.
> The Carbon Claw is just a bit
better for my purposes - highly
> recommended...
>
>
Best,
>
> Forrest
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:20:48
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Update: Engine lockup
> I would stay away from those RPS
clutches if at all
> possible. Myself included, a lot of 3S'ers have
had
> bad clutches lately from them. On any launch, they
>
would slip out causing the car to redline, and on
> normal driving are
very chattery. Just my (and
> many others, I'm sure)
2hp.
Both Bob and Brian are talking about clutches for naturally
aspirated
models. I haven't heard anything negative on RPS' clutch for
those cars...
The Turbo Carbon Claw seems to have given people grief
though. Some have
had success, most of the responses have been
negative. Obviously you'll
tend to hear negative stories more often
than positive ones, but I'm afraid
of the RPS turbo clutches at this
point.
I hope something good/reliable comes along before I need to put a
clutch in
my car! I may try the Turbo Carbon Claw Stage III
(carbon/kevlar pucks)
that Jack Tertadian uses if RPS makes good on their
product for the people
that have had trouble, otherwise it is looking like
the ACT will go in my
car. I had the 2600lb ACT in my Eclipse GSX and
liked it a lot.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:00:26
-0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <
bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Rotor Update
1450.00 is the price I've been selling the
"kits" at. The kit does not
include rotors. (due to the problem
of different brands breaking)
Caliper Part #'s
are:
993-351-425-10
993-351-426-10
They retail at a nifty
395.50 each.
Brad
Check out my home page:
http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/E-Mail:
bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#
3612682
No, the 993 comes from the 911 or the 911 TT cars. Two different
systems
though there. I have some links to help clarify this if you
want.
Rich
92 Stealth TT
Sam Shelat wrote:
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Middaugh <
Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
>
To:
kalla@tripoint.org <
kalla@tripoint.org>; Team3S
>
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Date: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotor
Update
>
> . The best bang for the buck is Brad Bedells
Porsche Big Red
> >caliper upgrade with one-piece rotors at
$1500. Terry at KVR suggests
that
> the
> >Porsche 928
caliper would be a better caliper for our heavy cars than the
>
Big
> >Red. A kit with 928 calipers and a two-piece rotor with
Porsche 322mm
disk
>
> I thought the 993 calipers were from
the 928-s4
>
> Sam
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:19:32
GMT
From: "Greg Gonzales" <
greggonzo1@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Uneven tire wear
I have Bridgestone Potenza RE71 245/45R17 tires
on my 92 RT TT. I has only
been a year since I put the tires on. I took it
to a shop and had the tires
mounted and had a 4 wheel alignment done.
I
began to notice some vibration about a month ago so I figured it was time
to
take it in to get the rotated and balanced. Well When I took it in to
have
them rotated the service guy waved me over and told me to look at the
tire... I looked at it and thought"Man that tire is messed up good thing its
not mine. Well it was mine!.
My two front tires were severally worn on
the inside down to the radial!
The rear were fine and still looked really
well.
MY question is was this a bad alignment done on my car? or could they
be
rubbing somehow? They are the stock size and the previous tires didnt
wear
like this. Should I pursue the place that mounted them in the first
place? I
have never hit a curb or anything that I thought would mess up the
alignment. The treadwear is identical on both fron tires so I am thinking
that the alignment was not done correctly.
Any advice? take them back to
firestone?
Thanks in advance
Greg G 92 RT
TT
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:25:40
-0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Update: Engine lockup
- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken
Stanton" <
tt007ken@yahoo.com>
> I would stay
away from those RPS clutches if at all possible. Myself
> included,
a lot of 3S'ers have had bad clutches lately from them. On
any
>
launch, they would slip out causing the car to redline, and on normal
>
driving are very chattery. Just my (and many others, I'm sure)
2hp.
FYI... You're referring to the "Turbo Carbon Claw" clutch for
the turbo
3S models, which is a different animal than the "Carbon Claw"
clutch I
recommended for the NT cars. Many people have had problems
with the
'turbo' clutches, but not even all versions of that - Jack T's car
has a
6-puck dual-material RPS clutch (Carbon & Kevlar) that's doing just
fine
at latest report. And my NT "Carbon Claw" clutch IS
excellent.
Just want to set the record straight before we publicly
condemn an
entire company. But I too would think twice about which
flavor of
"Turbo Carbon Claw" I was ordering for a
TT/VR-4...
Best,
Forrest
> Bob Forrest
wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geddes, Brian
J"
> > <
brian.j.geddes@intel.com>
>
> ----------------snip------------
> > > Now would of course be
an ideal time to drop in a non-OEM clutch
if I
> > so
> >
> chose. I've always been pretty happy with the stock clutch (I
have
a
> > base
> > > model)...any input on pros/cons of an
aftermarket clutch?
> >
> > Hey, Brian,
> >
>
> Glad to hear the damage is so "minor"... :-)
> >
>
> The stock clutch is excellent, especially for our NT cars, but
I
wanted
> > something with a little more positive grip. I got
the RPS "Carbon
Claw"
> > and couldn't be happier. You can
still slip it, but when you pop
that
> > pedal, there is no slip at
all. My lady loves it too. It's a bit
more
> > work in
stop-and-go traffic, but other than that, it's just what I
> >
wanted. That said, I'd have no problem putting in another
stock
clutch.
> > The Carbon Claw is just a bit better for my
purposes - highly
> > recommended...
> >
> >
Best,
> >
> > Forrest
>
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:55:46
+0100
From: "martin" <
martin@star.co.uk>
Subject: Team3S:
ECU help
Hi Guys
I thought my O2 sensor had packed up so i had a top
Mitsubishi technical
trainer hook up the Mitsubishi scan tool on my car (92
3000 GTO TT)
and he told me that the sensor was fine and working
correctly.
This may sound like good news, but as i was driving away i noticed
first of
all that my touring/sport lights were constantly flashing and then
that my
speedo wasn't working which in turn stopped my Sat Nav and active
aero from
working as well.
I know that the active aero and Sat Nav system
both rely on signal from the
speedo so i know if i can get to the root of the
problem with the speedo
then the rest will follow.
Has anyone got any
ideas on how i can check out the speedo?
I called the Mitsu guy and he says
that i can't possibly be the scan tool
and that he thinks it is a loose wire
somewhere.
You don't have to mail comments on that remark i already know what
everyone
will think to that
b******s
Help
regards
Martin
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:17:52
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From: "Walton C. Gibson" <
kalla@tripoint.org>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Update: Engine lockup
> I would stay away from those RPS
clutches if at all possible. Myself
> included, a lot of 3S'ers have
had bad clutches lately from them. On any
> launch, they would slip
out causing the car to redline, and on normal
> driving are very
chattery. Just my (and many others, I'm sure) 2hp.
I ended up
getting the RPS Stage II anyway. I had it put in last
week. I only have four
hundred miles on it, but it seems really
good. It hasn't chattered or
slipped at all. I haven't finished a good
break in period, so I haven't done
any hard launches with it yet.
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:36:47
+0200
From: Jim Matthews <
jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject:
Team3S: radio compatibility
I'm posting this for a friend with a '92 VR-4
who is not on the list. His
original radio has a lot of static and the
one he bought on EBay has a slightly
different connector. Please
respond to him directly
(
mailto:mjramos1@compuserve.com).
Thanks!
> The radio that I bought over ebay was from a 1993
VR-4. The
> seller suggested that I might find to someone that was
selling
> parts from a 93 VR-4 and try to buy the stock radio harness
from
> them. I don't think it's very likely that I can find
someone
> who would part with this particular item, but, you never
know.
> Could you post it and see what turns up?
>
>
I'm also going to try again to get my original fixed so if you
> could
also ask if anyone knows how I can get hold of the wiring
> diagram for
the stock radio on the 1992 VR-4 that might be helpful
> too. Thanks
for your help.
- --
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:50:55
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Uneven tire wear
> My two front tires were severally worn
on the inside
> down to the radial!
Sounds like the alignment place
set up too much negative camber on the
front, or at some point toe was set
wrong. Uneven tire wear is almost
always due to alignment issues.
Did the alignment place give you a paper
with the specs and measurements on
it?
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:27:03
-0500
From: "Kyle Meyer" <
kyle@logicaldirection.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: RPS Clutches (NA)
I had a RPS Turboclutch (right name?) in my
NA Stealth a while back, and had
absolutely wonderful luck with it. It had a
much more positive feel, bit
like a you know what, and got rid of the spongy
clutch dumps. I don't know
how much harder on the tranny it was, but it was a
great clutch.
I did drive it much harder, and I got around 20-25k miles
out of it.
- -Kyle
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
[
mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of Jannusch, Matt
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:21
PM
> To: Team3S
> Subject: RE: Team3S: Update: Engine
lockup
>
>
> > I would stay away from those RPS clutches if
at all
> > possible. Myself included, a lot of 3S'ers have
had
> > bad clutches lately from them. On any launch,
they
> > would slip out causing the car to redline, and on
> >
normal driving are very chattery. Just my (and
> > many others,
I'm sure) 2hp.
>
> Both Bob and Brian are talking about clutches for
naturally aspirated
> models. I haven't heard anything negative on
RPS' clutch for
> those cars...
> The Turbo Carbon Claw seems to
have given people grief though. Some have
> had success, most of the
responses have been negative. Obviously you'll
> tend to hear
negative stories more often than positive ones, but
> I'm afraid
>
of the RPS turbo clutches at this point.
>
> I hope something
good/reliable comes along before I need to put a
> clutch in
> my
car! I may try the Turbo Carbon Claw Stage III (carbon/kevlar
pucks)
> that Jack Tertadian uses if RPS makes good on their product for
the people
> that have had trouble, otherwise it is looking like the ACT
will go in my
> car. I had the 2600lb ACT in my Eclipse GSX and
liked it a lot.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:57:24
-0700
From: "Todd Schmalzried" <
Q11981@email.mot.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Blitz DSBC install manual.
Does anyone have the link to the
above? The link I found it under before
doesn't work anymore.
Thanks
- --
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Schmalzried
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Network Field Engineering Phone: (619) 933-1700
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603-4920
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:22:11
-0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Blitz DSBC install manual.
- ----- Original Message ----- From:
"Todd Schmalzried"
<
Q11981@email.mot.com>
To: "stealth"
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Does anyone have the link to the above? The link I found it
under
before
> doesn't work anymore.
>
> Thanks
It's
on the Team3S website, in our FAQ Pages :
http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/FAQdsbcmanual.htmIt's
by Admin Roger Gerl, who's been moving his files to his new
personal website,
so the old link might have been
replaced...
Best,
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