team3s             Friday, October 6 2000             Volume 01 : Number 285




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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:43:14 +0100
From: "George Shaw" <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: back-up radar

Yep I fitted a system a few days ago and so far it's great. The system is
called Park Boy III and has 3 sensors. I am also upgrading the system next
week to use a CCD camera from Toad so I will let you all know how it went.
BTW the Toad camera can also be used to "snap" a thief in action and
transmit to the feds via mobile. Kool or what.
http://www.in-pro.de/inpro_englisch/rahmen_home.html

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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Jim Matthews
Sent: 05 October 2000 16:30
To: Team3S Technical Forum
Subject: Team3S: back-up radar

Has anyone looked into a back-up rader system that could be retrofitted to
our
cars?  Not sure about the rest of you, but I find it difficult to know where
the
back of my Stealth is when reversing (not sure if the 3000GT body compares).
The garages over here in Germany are cramped and it would be a lot easier to
park had I a way to know exactly how close the rear bumper is from the wall,
shelving, tools, or other implements of potential destruction!

Looking at late model BMWs, Mercedes and Volvos, OEM systems seem to consist
of
five or so little sensors embedded in the bumper (not sure why they aren't
better concealed) and some kind of feedback system mounted in the dash.  A
colleague just ordered a new Volvo XC and the option was about $500.  Seems
like
it wouldn't be too difficult or expensive to add...

Here are a few URLs I found... anyone have experience with any of these?

http://home.flash.net/~outdoor1/
http://guardianalert.com/index.htm


Thanks!  -Jim (wanting all the new toys)

- --
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mailto:jim@the-matthews.com (64 Kbps ISDN)
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Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPH)
Porterfield cryo-treated rotors, RS4 pads, braided lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:09:01 GMT
From: "marc augellli" <marcsaugelli@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Two Question's 1. Pass Fender  2. Humming sound

Hi Everyone,

I hope some one can help me out, I have two questions; I have a 94 SL with
almost 37,000 miles on it.  My first question is

1. The other day I went to change my oil before I put it into storage and I
went to lift the hood and the two bolts that hold down the strut that keeps
the hood up broke (I hope that makes sense).  I told my car to Mitsu today
and I was told it would need about 500 dollars to fix.  They wanted to
replace my passenger side fender and the inner fender panel that the fender
screws into.  I laughed at the service manger and ask why I need a new
fender when there is nothing wrong with the fender.  He said that the fender
comes from Mitsubishi with the fender shield mounted to the fender.  I then
asked him “Why would Mitsubishi put 5 bolts to hold the fender onto the
car?” He said “That there fake bolts and can not be remove”.  So I then got
my 12 mm (I think is was 12 mm or 14mm) socket and wrench out and unscrewed
the five bolts in front of him and about 5 customers waiting and said “Can
you explain why Mitsubishi will used fake bolts when these look real to me?”
  The service Manger walk away from me and 3 other customers left too.  Also
they were laughing when the service manger left.

My question is, I believe I can drill the broken bolts out and put new bolts
in.  Is it hard to remove the fender if I want to replace the inner fender
shield and not drill the bolts out?  If I’m not mistaken there is 5 bolts
that hold the fender down when you pop the hood, there’s 1 bolt that is on
the passenger side door, and I think there is 2 bolts that are kind of under
the headlight.  (I’m not talking about the black plastic wheel well, but the
red one that the fender bolts in to).  Sorry if that sounds confusing, kind
of still mad at the Service Manger at Mitsubishi.

2. My second question is that I have a Mini Disc player that I hook up to
the AUX jack on my stock infinity headset.  If I used the Mini Disc player
with the batteries it works fine, but if I used it with my cigarette power
cord I get a humming.  When I hit the gas pedal the humming sound gets
louder, I think I have a bad grounding somewhere any ideas?  Also it happens
when I used a portable cd player.

Thanks for any help and reading my kind of long post.
Marc Augelli  1994 SL

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:59:38 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: Parting out a 1992 3000VR4

Hey guys, I'm parting out a 1992 3000gt.  White in color.

I have pretty much everything to sell soon.  If you need anything, let me
know privately.


Big bulky items are preferred to be picked up.


Brad
Check out my home page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682




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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:44:38 -0600
From: "Matthew H. Fogle" <foglem@t-three.com>
Subject: Team3S: Loose steering?

Hey, you guys have been a great help so far, let's go on with the next
VR4 problem... a 91' and the steering seems to have a little play in it.
Not enough to really worry about it, but enough to be VERY annoying. I
have driven a friends 94 which the steering has 0 freeplay which is how
I like it. Now i've been told this could be part of the AWS, but I would
think it's a bushing or something. Anyone got a quick hint? And yes I
have the backup manual CD if you want to refer me to a page! Thanks!
- -Matthew Fogle


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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:08:06 EDT
From: The68th@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Engine or Exhaust noise

Hey guys, I think my car is falling apart:-).  All I have had to do since
I've gotten it is repair, but thanks to you guys it has been a much more
pleasant experience.  But I do have another question.  When I start my car
when it is cold and start driving it makes a really low piched noise which
sounds like either a loud engine or loud exhaust.  Kinda like what my last
car sounded like when it had a cracked flex tube.  Along with this I have a
lack of power in 1st gear.  But as soon as I make a run all the way through
my gear box, not accelerating too much(until about 50) it acts normal as far
as I can tell.  Does anyone have a clue what is going wrong with my car now? 
Almost forgot, the engine is ticking now if that may be part of the problem.
Thanks a lot,
Chris
1992 Dodge Stealth ES DOHC

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:20:54 +0100
From: "Simon Jones" <Team3S@3kgto.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Two Question's 1. Pass Fender  2. Humming sound

Hi Marc

>2. My second question is that I have a Mini Disc player that I hook up to
>the AUX jack on my stock infinity headset.  If I used the Mini Disc player
>with the batteries it works fine, but if I used it with my cigarette power
>cord I get a humming.  When I hit the gas pedal the humming sound gets
>louder, I think I have a bad grounding somewhere any ideas?  Also it
happens
>when I used a portable cd player.

You're right, you've set-up a ground loop.  Basically, when you were running
from batteries, the only ground connection between your mini-disc and the
car is through the audio lead.  When you power the mini-disc from the car,
you now have a ground loop, the first connection is as before and the second
is through the power lead, which has ground and power on it.

You have two options:

1.    Try and get hold of some "in-line" isolating transformers.  You should
be able to get them from an in-car audio equipment specialist.

2.    You could try cutting the ground wire in your power wire.  This _may_
work, but from an audio system point of view is not good, since you are
carrying current through the audio signal lead.

Hope this helps,

Simon Jones.
'94 GTO
http://www.3kgto.freeserve.co.uk
simon.jones@soundcraft.com



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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:31:19 +0100
From: "George Shaw" <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mitsubishi Logo

Has anyone got a part number for one of these metal logos? I can't get it in
the UK for the Eclipse, if it's available can anyone get one for me (cost?)
and ship it.

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- -----Original Message-----
From: Lorne Silkes [mailto:vr4@cwia.com]
Sent: 06 October 2000 01:36
To: George Shaw
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mitsubishi Logo

George:

I just stumbled across another copy of your message that I replied to today.
I see that it was sent to Team3s and I'm pretty sure I replied only to
Starnet so here is my response:

> ----------
> From: Lorne Silkes[SMTP:vr4@cwia.com]
> Reply To: stealth@starnet.net
> Sent: Thursday, 05 October, 2000 7:25 am
> To: stealth@stls.verio.net
> Subject: MIts. emblem on front bumper
>
> A couple of days ago somebody was inquiring about a replacement emblem for
> the soft plastic, faded one on the front bumper.
>
> Well, I was driving behind a new Eclipse today and it has what looks to be
> either a metal
> or shiny, hard plastic emblem that looks to be the right size on the rear
of
> the car right in the center where our trunk lock is.
>
>
> Lorne
>
> __________Circle.com______________________
> Lorne Silkes
>

- ----- Original Message -----
From: George Shaw <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:20 AM
Subject: Team3S: Mitsubishi Logo


> Has anyone ever seen a Metal Mitsubishi badge for the front of the 3K? The
> stock one is plastic and looks awful after a while with the plastic having
> hairline cracks. If there is not a metal one available, I may be tempted
to
> get one made in brass with Red diamonds enamelled within a Gold outline,
> having seen the Honda and Lexus badge in Gold it looks the biz. If I can
get
> these made, is anyone interested in buying one? I have no idea of price
yet.
> It may even be possible to get one made like the Team 3 S logo. This would
> have to fit inside the bonnet/hood indent. Either stick on as the original
> or bolt through to stop thieving toe rags making off with them. In the
mean
> time I will have to get a plastic one from Mitsubishi until I get one or
> make one.
>
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>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:33:39 +0100
From: "George Shaw" <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: back-up radar

Check out http://www.clarion.co.uk/ssight.asp this is the system I am
fitting at the weekend. You said you wanted all the new toys:)


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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Jim Matthews
Sent: 05 October 2000 16:30
To: Team3S Technical Forum
Subject: Team3S: back-up radar

Has anyone looked into a back-up rader system that could be retrofitted to
our
cars?  Not sure about the rest of you, but I find it difficult to know where
the
back of my Stealth is when reversing (not sure if the 3000GT body compares).
The garages over here in Germany are cramped and it would be a lot easier to
park had I a way to know exactly how close the rear bumper is from the wall,
shelving, tools, or other implements of potential destruction!

Looking at late model BMWs, Mercedes and Volvos, OEM systems seem to consist
of
five or so little sensors embedded in the bumper (not sure why they aren't
better concealed) and some kind of feedback system mounted in the dash.  A
colleague just ordered a new Volvo XC and the option was about $500.  Seems
like
it wouldn't be too difficult or expensive to add...

Here are a few URLs I found... anyone have experience with any of these?

http://home.flash.net/~outdoor1/
http://guardianalert.com/index.htm


Thanks!  -Jim (wanting all the new toys)

- --
Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://www.the-matthews.com

*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
http://members.stealth-3000gt.st/~matthews/stealth.html
Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPH)
Porterfield cryo-treated rotors, RS4 pads, braided lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 02:31:53 -0700
From: "Jose Soriano" <Amahoser@linkline.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Kuhmos revisited

> Well, you could mark the -3 degree settings, then set the camber close to
0 for
> the drive.  Then at the track you could reset to the -3 marks.  It is
probably
> OK to not have the Camber on both sides perfectly equal.

That won't work for saving your tires.... when you adjust camber, you change
toe as well. Excessive toe has just as bad side effects on wear as camber
does....

Jose Soriano




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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:18:46 -0600
From: "The Hedonist" <rboehner@dimensional.com>
Subject: Team3S: OT wanted to buy

Hi,

Looking for a Mit factory bra set for a 95,Vr4..

if you have one forsale please contact me email off list

Thanks,

Roger
rboehner@dimensional.com

95 vr4



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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:13:38 -0700
From: Leonard Dy <LDy@acssys.com>
Subject: Team3S: HKS EVC IV good or bad?

I have the oppurtunity to buy an EVC IV and need any input good or bad.
I've only heard good things about the Blitz and Apex here but nothing on the
HKS.  If there is anyone out there who has one or is familiar with these
units please let me know your opinion of it.  Info on the ease of use,
programming, and ultimately performance would be great.  I don't want to
pass up a good deal if it's performance is up to par.

Thanks guys,
Len

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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:55:35 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Kuhmos revisited

> > Well, you could mark the -3 degree settings, then set the camber close to
> 0 for
> > the drive.  Then at the track you could reset to the -3 marks.  It is
> probably
> > OK to not have the Camber on both sides perfectly equal.
>
> That won't work for saving your tires.... when you adjust camber, you change
> toe as well. Excessive toe has just as bad side effects on wear as camber
> does....

Yes, changing camber will change toe.  However, it might not be for the worse or
it might only be very slight.  Especially if you change camber with the Ground
Control Camber/Castor adjustment Plates.  The best thing would be to have your
alignment shop dial in track AND street alignment settings with marks that you
can switch between at the track.  At worst case, you might also have to turn the
toe adjust rods, but the alignment shop should be able to tell you IF turns are
required and how many turns (and the direction) are necessary.  It should be
do-able however.

Have fun at the track,
Ken
- --
Could you drive any better if I shoved that cell phone up your a**?!

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:04:07 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: HKS EVC IV good or bad?

> I have the oppurtunity to buy an EVC IV and need any input
> good or bad.  I've only heard good things about the Blitz
> and Apex here but nothing on the HKS.  If there is anyone
> out there who has one or is familiar with these units
> please let me know your opinion of it.  Info on the ease
> of use, programming, and ultimately performance would be
> great.  I don't want to pass up a good deal if it's
> performance is up to par.

I have one in my car...  I'd say that the performance is similar to the
other electronic boost controllers out there.  The calibration mode is a
little tricky to get a good response curve out of it, and I found myself
manually adjusting the offset to get the boost to climb quicker.  It is a
little bit spikey set up that way, but short 1-2 psi spikes aren't harmful.
Once you get it set up, you can adjust boost pressure in increments of .05
kg/cm2.

It also has a setting for overtake boost where you can press a button on it
and run higher boost for a period of time that you program.  You set both
the level of additional boost and the duration manually.  It also has an
alarm for overboost, which you can also program the setting of.  If it goes
over your maximum you can have it turn boost control off, returning you to
wastegate-controlled boost (6-8 psi).

A decent unit, although usually pricey.  It is too wide to fit in one of the
center vents, which is a bit of a disappointment.  Mine sits in the center
console, but I would prefer to have something that would fit in plain view
but not "hanging out".

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:40:04 +0100
From: "George Shaw" <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: MoTeC Article

There is a good article on the MoTeC 48 in this months Banzai mag. If anyone
wants, I can scan it and email, or stick it on a Web Site.

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:01:01 -0400
From: "Dusan R. Simovic" <dusanboy@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: wire set

Here comes another silly question from a guy that doesn't know shit (yet)
about his car... I have been looking around to get me a new spark plug wire
set, and based on popular opinion I decided to get magnicore. Now here comes
the dumb question: I went on a couple of sites and some of them split
stealths into 12 and 24 valve engines. I have a '92 Stealth NA and was
wondering how many valves do I have? I looked at the manual and found no
help there, so I am asking you to help me out here. Also, I have a
distributor instead of coils like many of you suggested, so this should also
help in deciding which wire set I need. Well, I thank you in advance and
hope not to get any militant answers (again:). Also, could you give me a
part number for those wires if possible.

Thanks a million!

Dusan
'92 Stealth
- -K&N FIPK
- -Advil Bottle ;)



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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:46:57 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: wire set (and 12v or 24v...)

- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusan R. Simovic"
<dusanboy@ix.netcom.com>
- ----------------snip---------------
> the dumb question: I went on a couple of sites and some of them split
> stealths into 12 and 24 valve engines. I have a '92 Stealth NA and was
> wondering how many valves do I have? I looked at the manual and found
no
> help there, so I am asking you to help me out here.

Hey, Dusan,

You should be able to figure out which model you have from the Spec
Chart on our website:
http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/FAQ-Specs1.htm
You can determine out how many valves your engine has by opening the
hood!  The engines are marked with HUGE letters telling you 12v or 24v.
If it's 24, you have an RT or ES;  if it's 12, you have the Base model.

Best,

Forrest




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