team3s            Thursday, October 5 2000            Volume 01 : Number 284




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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:22:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Stegall III <jstegall@programmer.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Single turbo??

> Just as a side note......I saw an Eclipse GSX advertised with > a 20G and a 75 shot of NOS with some other mods claiming 475  > HP.  Is that realistic??  On top of that, they wanted $32K for > it.  I'd buy something with twins before buying an Eclipse of > any trim. 

That is very true about the Eclipse GSX.  I owned a 1993 Talon (converted to a TSi, FWD) and I was pushing 600+ HP on NOS and 5?? HP (don't remember those specs) w/out NOS.  Those engines can take a lot of beating.  A place in So. Cal called Road Race Engineering has a 9 second Talon and another place I believe in Virginia (?) has the fasted Talon in the world that runs the 1/4 mile at 9.3 seconds.  That's why I'm shocked that the fastest 3000GT I've heard on here is only a 10 second.  I've also heard (haven't seen it) a twin turbo Eclipse GSX... was a 94.

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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:16:30 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Single turbo??

> That is very true about the Eclipse GSX.  I owned a 1993
> Talon (converted to a TSi, FWD) and I was pushing 600+ HP on
> NOS and 5?? HP (don't remember those specs) w/out NOS.  Those
> engines can take a lot of beating.  A place in So. Cal called
> Road Race Engineering has a 9 second Talon and another place
> I believe in Virginia (?) has the fasted Talon in the world
> that runs the 1/4 mile at 9.3 seconds.  That's why I'm
> shocked that the fastest 3000GT I've heard on here is only a
> 10 second.  I've also heard (haven't seen it) a twin turbo
> Eclipse GSX... was a 94.

600HP and you don't have a timeslip posted at Club DSM?  I'm skeptical.

Road/Race's top car runs 11.810 @ 118.67, they are road racers, not drag
racers.

There are only four DSM's in the 9's:

Brent Rau     - 9.566@145.03
                (I've heard he has done better recently)
Sean Glazar   - 9.571@148.04
Len Monserrat - 9.859@141.75
John Shepherd - 9.936@144.67

We don't have a quicker car than Jack's because of:

1) Our trannies can't take the power and cost $3,000 a crack with few/no
parts available to repair them ourselves.

2) Our cars are 500 pounds heavier than DSM's, and will still be heavier
than a DSM when stripped down.

3) Fewer cars produced means fewer aftermarket goodies available and a
smaller pool for R&D.  There are lots of DSM cars out there, therefore more
parts available and more upgrade recipes tried.

4) Higher cost of entry - not many people are willing to take a nice VR4 and
turn it into a drag racing car.  Most of the fast DSM guys' cars aren't
daily drivers (with the exception of John Shepherd's car).

It is hard to get a car this heavy to go quick, especially when you are
worried about destroying your transmission.  It can be done, but the lack of
easily available parts for critical portions of the drivetrain slows down a
lot of people.

Compare the number of DSM drag racers against the number of 3/S drag racers:

http://www.heckconsulting.com/dsm/drag.html
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/1044/fastest3s.html

Having said that, note that there ARE a couple very promising project cars
in the works which could make this discussion irrelevant in the near future
by placing a couple in the low 10's or below.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:57:35 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Resonator vs FIPK 'hiss'

Hello all

After removing the resonator on my fiance's '92 Stealth ES, her car
began to make the same sound as the other gentlemen with FIPK's.  I
understand that the goal of the resonator is to filter out a certain
frequency noise - could this be the frequency?

For reference, I know that the TT's with the FIPK also have this same
hiss, and they of course do not have resonator bottles stock.

Any thoughts?

Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT
Organizer - 3SI Rochester


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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:58:23 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Resonator vs FIPK 'hiss'

> After removing the resonator on my fiance's '92 Stealth ES, her car
> began to make the same sound as the other gentlemen with FIPK's.  I
> understand that the goal of the resonator is to filter out a certain
> frequency noise - could this be the frequency?

Yes.

> For reference, I know that the TT's with the FIPK also have this same
> hiss, and they of course do not have resonator bottles stock.

Yup.  No airbox = more noise.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 16:16:28 -0400
From: "Dusan R. Simovic" <dusanboy@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: dist. replacement...

sorry to send this again, but the last time I sent a message that was in
HTML... sorry bout that!

How hard will it be to replace distributor cap and rotor on my own? I have
almost no experience...

thanks!

Dusan
'92 Stealth
K&N FIPK


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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Kuhmos revisited

#1:  You should be runnin 0 toe for road racing..toe in will toss the car
pretty stiffly perhaps.  Toe is excellent for autox where the turning
needs to be more violent and quicker.

Second..ya..300 miles each way is a tad excessive IMHO..thats a LOT of
highway to heat the insides of the tires on.

On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Merritt wrote:

> Is it OK to run at normal highway speeds (75-85) for extended times with
> this kind of negative camber? Or should I reduce my speed and run at the
> speed limit?
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It'll wear the tires some..but after 300 miles there, and 300 miles back,
they may show some really heavy wear on the inside shoulder.

PS: Camber will help some, but it'll still plow on you untill you fix the
"other issue".
 
> If anybody is going to RA this weekend, look for a black Mitsu and a red
> Fiero parked together and come over and say hi.
>
> Rich/94 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 twin turbo
> Kuhmos, Porsche Big Reds, Hawk Blues, SS lines, Eibachs, lowered, K&N,
> stock motor.
>
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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:24:51 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Kuhmos revisited

>#1:  You should be runnin 0 toe for road racing..toe in will toss the car
>pretty stiffly perhaps.  Toe is excellent for autox where the turning
>needs to be more violent and quicker.

That's the secret BMW setting: +0.10 toe. Seems to work OK.

Rich

>
>Second..ya..300 miles each way is a tad excessive IMHO..thats a LOT of
>highway to heat the insides of the tires on.

Don't have much choice, mate.

Rich


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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:06:35 -0700
From: Wayne <whietala@prodigy.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Single turbo??

At 08:18 AM 10/4/00 , cody wrote:
>Personally, I'd go for
>either a '93 or '94 VR-4 with a pair of 15G's.... for alot less, and then
>spend the extra doing suspension mods, other engine mods, stereo, etc.


I'll second that.......the Eclipse just doesn't have the gearing to be able
to really fly....There's nothing like
doing 150+ mph...........

W

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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:40:35 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Single turbo??

> I'll second that.......the Eclipse just doesn't have
> the gearing to be able to really fly....There's
> nothing like doing 150+ mph...........

A modded Eclipse AWD (big turbo + front mount intercooler + associated
goodies) can top out the gears at a touch under 170 with the stock rev
limiter.  With a TMO upgrade to bump the rev limiter from 7500 to 8000 RPM
you can get to nearly 180.  Gearing has nothing to do with it, its all about
power if you want to go fast (provided the gearing is sufficient to get you
to your speed target before redline).

That's not fast enough?

'Course I'd rather go fast in my current car than my old Eclipse anyday.  It
doesn't have to work so hard to get there.  If you really want to go fast, a
sportbike is the way to do it for cheap.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:26:27 -0700
From: Fred Hamilton <fred@yonkitime.com>
Subject: Team3S: New rubber headlight seals - part number?

Hi Team,

I had some bodywork done on the nose of my '95 Spyder, and they
replaced the rubber seals around the headlights.  The strange thing
is, the left and the right were two different style seals.  The
original seals were part numbers MR220701 (L) and MR220701 (R).

But the dealer substituted a new style/part number for the one of the
seals in the shipment to the body shop.  It's a bit wider, but it
snaps in, as opposed to being glued in.  It's great, because the old
ones were always popping out at the top.

Unfortunately, I didn't get the part number for the new style seals,
and the bodyshop threw out the packing material that came with it. 

So my question is this: Can anyone on the list give me the part number
for the new seals (L and R)? 

If any of you are having trouble with the seal popping up on your 3K,
you might want to grab a pair of these new ones.

Thanks,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 03:29:37 -0200
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: Parts needed for vandalism repair...

Due to my VR4 being vandalized recently I'm in need of glass.  The front window,
driver's side window and rear window were destroyed.  The passenger's window was
merely chipped and I think I can live with that for now.  I will probably also
need the hatch cover as broken glass from the rear window was pulled into the
retracting mechanism.  The car is a 94 VR4 and the current hatch cover is gray.
Lemme know if anyone can help.

Thanks,
Jason

Oh yeah.  Before anyone asks, I won't be getting assistance from insurance, but
it's my own fault.


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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:29:34 +0200
From: Jim Matthews <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: Team3S: back-up radar

Has anyone looked into a back-up rader system that could be retrofitted to our
cars?  Not sure about the rest of you, but I find it difficult to know where the
back of my Stealth is when reversing (not sure if the 3000GT body compares).
The garages over here in Germany are cramped and it would be a lot easier to
park had I a way to know exactly how close the rear bumper is from the wall,
shelving, tools, or other implements of potential destruction!

Looking at late model BMWs, Mercedes and Volvos, OEM systems seem to consist of
five or so little sensors embedded in the bumper (not sure why they aren't
better concealed) and some kind of feedback system mounted in the dash.  A
colleague just ordered a new Volvo XC and the option was about $500.  Seems like
it wouldn't be too difficult or expensive to add...

Here are a few URLs I found... anyone have experience with any of these?

http://home.flash.net/~outdoor1/
http://guardianalert.com/index.htm


Thanks!  -Jim (wanting all the new toys)

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Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPH)
Porterfield cryo-treated rotors, RS4 pads, braided lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:22:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Kuhmos revisited

And just what in common does a BMW have with a VR4 in its suspension?

On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Merritt wrote:

>
> >#1:  You should be runnin 0 toe for road racing..toe in will toss the car
> >pretty stiffly perhaps.  Toe is excellent for autox where the turning
> >needs to be more violent and quicker.
>
> That's the secret BMW setting: +0.10 toe. Seems to work OK.
>
> Rich
>
> >
> >Second..ya..300 miles each way is a tad excessive IMHO..thats a LOT of
> >highway to heat the insides of the tires on.
>
> Don't have much choice, mate.
>
> Rich
>
>
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:29:28 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Kuhmos revisited

> >Second..ya..300 miles each way is a tad excessive IMHO..thats a LOT of
> >highway to heat the insides of the tires on.
>
> Don't have much choice, mate.

Well, you could mark the -3 degree settings, then set the camber close to 0 for
the drive.  Then at the track you could reset to the -3 marks.  It is probably
OK to not have the Camber on both sides perfectly equal.

Have fun this weekend,
Ken
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Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:54:58 -0500
From: "Greg S." <wizards@mhtc.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: back-up radar

Are you talking about your own personal garage or a variety of different parking
lots and garages?  The reason I ask is that if it's just your own personal garage
there are a variety of companies that sell a lighting system that mounts to the wall
that gives you a green light as you start to back up, a yellow when you get close,
and a red when you're supposed to stop.  They are adjustable based on the distance
you want to stop and they have both hardwired versions and ultrasonic.

One further thought .... I haven't looked at the URLs that you listed, but if they
are those beeping things that attach to the rear of the car and beep when you get
close to an obstacle I definitely wouldn't do that .... talk about schlock.  My two
cents ....   Off to look at your links just out of curiosity!

Greg



Jim Matthews wrote:

> Has anyone looked into a back-up rader system that could be retrofitted to our
> cars?  Not sure about the rest of you, but I find it difficult to know where the
> back of my Stealth is when reversing (not sure if the 3000GT body compares).
> The garages over here in Germany are cramped and it would be a lot easier to
> park had I a way to know exactly how close the rear bumper is from the wall,
> shelving, tools, or other implements of potential destruction!
>
> Looking at late model BMWs, Mercedes and Volvos, OEM systems seem to consist of
> five or so little sensors embedded in the bumper (not sure why they aren't
> better concealed) and some kind of feedback system mounted in the dash.  A
> colleague just ordered a new Volvo XC and the option was about $500.  Seems like
> it wouldn't be too difficult or expensive to add...
>
> Here are a few URLs I found... anyone have experience with any of these?
>
> http://home.flash.net/~outdoor1/
> http://guardianalert.com/index.htm
>
> Thanks!  -Jim (wanting all the new toys)
>
> --
> Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
> mailto:jim@the-matthews.com (64 Kbps ISDN)
> http://www.the-matthews.com
>
> *** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
> http://members.stealth-3000gt.st/~matthews/stealth.html
> Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
> Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
> K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
> A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
> Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
> Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPH)
> Porterfield cryo-treated rotors, RS4 pads, braided lines
> Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
> G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
> 1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque
>
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:55:00 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: back-up radar

>The garages over here in Germany are cramped and it would be a lot easier to
>park had I a way to know exactly how close the rear bumper is from the wall,
>shelving, tools, or other implements of potential destruction!

Implements of destruction?
Omigawd! Another Arlo Guthrie/Alice's Restaurant fan!

As for your backup sensor, try JC Whitney:

AutoPark 2000 Electronic Back-Up Safety System
"Tells" you when you've gone too far!
Avoid harming kids or pets, or damaging your vehicle
Parallel parking is a breeze. Similar to safety systems found on luxury
cars, this electronic system starts to work automatically when you go into
reverse. When the infrared sensors detect any objects behind you, you'll
hear an audible warning. Constant beeping means caution, you're getting
close. Rapid beeping means stop. You can set up your own distances for both
caution and stop zones. Compact unit installs easily on any standard
license plate and requires no batteries.
 
SKU Description Unit Price Quantity Order
81ZX7308B  Autopark 2000 Back-up Safety System  Each  59.95     

Above copy came directly from their web site at www.jcwhitney.com
Go to Search Catalog (upper right corner of web page)
enter the  part number (I used 81hv7308b)

Rich/old poop


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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:22:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Stegall III <jstegall@programmer.net>
Subject: Team3S: Supercharging

Allright, seems things are gonna be difficult.  I got a hold of a Talon TSi engine for my old talon for $800.  I didn't think that a VR-4 engine (only being a little bigger) would be much more than $1400... I called around seems the best I can do is $4000 for a complete VR-4 engine.  Which leads me to my next option... I buy myself a VR-4 and give my fiancée my car.
     My fiancée loves my car... she just toasted her little Neon and doesn't have a car at the moment, which allows me to go buy a VR-4 and give her my car.  I wanna increase it's performance a little bit for her, w/out turbocharging it - she doesn't know shit about cars and maintenance (her neon was dusted because she hadn't changed her oil in over 10000 miles!)
     I called GTPro, and they said my next option would be to supercharge the car to get more torque and HP out of it.  Has anyone on this list supercharged a base/SL version of the car?  Or does anyone know what kinda of HP/Torque boost I'd get out of supercharging it?  Thanks in advance.

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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:39:26 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Supercharging

Question - why are you worried about performance, when she previously had a
Neon.

Yor 3000GT, whether SOHC or DOHC, non-turbo are both pretty peppy,
especially when compared to a neon.  Plus they feel like solid cars.

10,000 miles isn't really that long for an oil change either.  There was
something else wrong with the engine.  I guarantee it.  I've seen cars with
literally 15000 miles on them between oil changes, and they still ran fine.
Don't get me wrong, i cahnge the oil in my car every 3000 miles, religously.
What happened to the poor Neon???  I can see if it was leaking oil, maybe...

You don't want a person like her with a FWD, supercharged or turbo charged
3000GT, I guarantee it.  222 HP from the factory for the DOHC is fairly hard
to control at lower speeds.  and with the nitrous I have, you get a bit of
wheelspin....  I can see how someone could easily tear the tranny out pretty
quick with that much power and not knowing how to drive it.  Also, a
supercharger or turbo for our cars will end up costing you minimum $3000,
and turbos could easily go up to $6000....

- -Cody

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From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of John Stegall III
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 12:23 PM
To: Team3S Stealth
Subject: Team3S: Supercharging


Allright, seems things are gonna be difficult.  I got a hold of a Talon TSi
engine for my old talon for $800.  I didn't think that a VR-4 engine (only
being a little bigger) would be much more than $1400... I called around
seems the best I can do is $4000 for a complete VR-4 engine.  Which leads me
to my next option... I buy myself a VR-4 and give my fiancie my car.
     My fiancie loves my car... she just toasted her little Neon and doesn't
have a car at the moment, which allows me to go buy a VR-4 and give her my
car.  I wanna increase it's performance a little bit for her, w/out
turbocharging it - she doesn't know shit about cars and maintenance (her
neon was dusted because she hadn't changed her oil in over 10000 miles!)
     I called GTPro, and they said my next option would be to supercharge
the car to get more torque and HP out of it.  Has anyone on this list
supercharged a base/SL version of the car?  Or does anyone know what kinda
of HP/Torque boost I'd get out of supercharging it?  Thanks in advance.

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1997 3000GT
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