team3s            Tuesday, October 3 2000            Volume 01 : Number 282




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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:22:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: aa2345@wayne.edu
Subject: Team3S: Apexi AVC-R almost done -- RPM wire problem!

Hello Team,

My brother and I finally installed the Apexi AVC-R electronic boost
controllers on our 94 TT and 95 VR4with the help of a few Detroit 3S
members (Jeff Williams, Mike Forest, and Paul Prentis especially).
Also, thanks to all that replied to our many questions and guided us
allong the installation process (especially Ken Middaugh and Bill
Buckingham).

The units are both in the cars now and ALMOST working properly.  My RPM
indication does not look right on my car.  The numbers goe up
progressively as I rev the engine, but nevetherless they are not the
appropriate numbers. 

Here is a skematic of where I connected all the wires.  What you are
looking at is the back of the connectors as they are plugged into the ECU.



         ENGINE

         26 pin        16 pin   12pin  22 pin
BOTTOM   1XXXXXXXXXXXX|4XXXXXXX|XXXXXX|XXXXXXXXXXX   TOP
         XXXXXXXXXXX23|XXXXXXXX|X5XXXX|XX6X7XXXXXX

         RADIO

KEY:
1 Injector --> going to Purple on AVC-R
2 Power --> Red
3 Ground --> Black
4 or 5 RPM (I don't remember which I plugged it in) --> Purple
6 Throtle --> Gray
7 Speed --> White


I installed a toggle switch between the RPM and INJECTOR connections on
the ECU and the purple wire from the AVC-R. Here is the schematic.


         ENGINE

         26 pin        16 pin   12pin  22 pin
BOTTOM   1XXXXXXXXXXXX|4XXXXXXX|XXXXXX|XXXXXXXXXXX   TOP
         XXXXXXXXXXX23|XXXXXXXX|X5XXXX|XX6X7XXXXXX

         RADIO                                                            
         1   4 or 5
         |     |                 SWITCH
         |     |_RPM_____________X
         |                       /
         |                       X--------------(purple wire from AVCR)
         |                       \
         |_______INJECTOR________X


"\ or /" indicates a switch.  Only one of two positions is selected at any
one time.

I cannot tune the car by gears until i figure out how to properly hook up
the RPM wire.  I believe the chart in the APEXI manual was of a 1st gen TT
and not 2nd gen.  I had to use my intuition to hook up the RPM wire(guess
I got it wrong).  My brother's RPM signal doesn't work at all on the
AVC-R, but I'm sure if I can figure my car out, I can also fix his RPM
problem.  If anyone has a 2nd gen TT/VR4/GTO, please send me an
e-mail/pic/schematic of where to tap in for the RPM wire.  I have Vinet's
3S CD if you want to reffer me to a particular page in the manual, but so
far I have been unsuccessful in tracing it.


Thanks a million everybody.

- -MIKE-
95 Red VR4

brother - John
94 Pearl Yellow TT

Detroit Metro Area
Michigan



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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:57:52 -0700
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Top end knocking on VR4

heh.  I was reading this and I was thinking about the problem that I had.
Then I noticed my name.  =)

Well, the sound ended up being a spun rod bearing. I was hoping it was
something in the head or carbon buildup, but deep down in my heart I knew it
was the bottom end. If your problem is a rod bearing, the bearing is
beginning to go bad right now, and eventually it will just "spin" and all
hell will break loose.

I ended up replacing the shortblock because my crank was scratched up and I
didn't see a reason to spend $2500+ on a rebuild of that 150k mile engine
when M&S recycling was selling brand-new factory 93+ shortblocks for $2k.
The newer engines have larger, stronger, coated cranks and of course, a
4-bolt main as opposed to the relatively weaker 2-bolt main.  So I did the
"conversion" and now my car runs like a dream.

I think the bearing went bad because I accidently let the engine get more
than 2 quarts low on oil.  After that, the slight knocking started.  Or
maybe it was just that engine's "time."

Hope that helps.

Chris
92 R/T TT


>Chris, could you help? Thanks in advance.
>
> kent@rosemail.rose.hp.com



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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:40:47 EDT
From: Topofwrld1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: locked out of my glove compartment

In a message dated Sun, 1 Oct 2000  6:36:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU> writes:

<<
anyone know how to "jimmy" it open?  I've even thought about drilling out the lock cylinder, but I'm not sure if it will gain me anything.
any thoughts?
>>

Mine did the same thing without locking it. One dealer wanted megabucks to go in from behind the dash.  Another dealer tried unsucessfully but charged me anyway. Locksmith didn't want to try.

So I ordered the lock and the wire latch. When they came in, I carefully pryed the lid open a bit and used a hack saw blade to cut off the wire latch. I wrapped some tape around part of the blade to minimize the chance of cutting the lid. Then I replaced both parts.

I still have the old parts so may use the other poster's idea of swapping the cores to get back to a one key system. However with the current system I can lock the glovebox and still give the ignition key to my friendly 5 star Dodge dealer.

Dennis in Denver


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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 07:01:42 +0200
From: Jim Matthews <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Team3S: locked out of my glove compartment]

Several of you asked me to forward the below to you, so I'll just post it to the
list.  Good luck!

- --
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Miguel Ramos wrote:
>
> Jim is right.  I had to use a hack saw on the metal bar hanging in a loop
> from
> from the top of the glove compartment where the lock actually attaches
> itself.
> I was able to pry open the box enough to get a good enough gap to access
> the bar.  I also used 2 pieces of sheet metal top and bottom so I didn't
> cut up the finish of the box.
>
> You should be able to cut through the bar in
> about 15 min or less.  Just make sure that YOU keep the old core and don't
> rely on anyone else to remember for you.  Where I took it I was getting
> other
> work done as well and I just thought I'd have them install the lock
> mechanism
> too.  Well they just didn't listen, remember, care, write it down.  Just
> pick
> one.  Now I have to have 2 keys with me although I don't ever lock it
> anymore.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Regards from Wiesbaden, Germany
>
> Miguel Ramos
> mjramos1@csi.com

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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:59:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Christian <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rotor Update

Hi Rich,

Congrats on the great life of the Porterfields.
 
Couple a questions:
Are the Porterfields directional --- are the veins
curved unlike the stock Mitsu rotors??

What is the thickness?? 30 or 32mm

What is the dia?  315, 322?

I wanted to try the Hawk blue this season, but won't
get my TT running til next season.  I did try the Hawk
Gold (HB-184-GOL for $185) but they transferred tooooo
much heat to the BIG REDS.

I will check the outboard upper pistons and let you
know.

[snip}
> I finally had to order a new set of Porterfield
> cryogenically treated stock
> rotors.
>
>  I am trying Hawk Blues this time.

> Attention Big Red caliper people:  We noticed that
> the upper outboard
> pistons on both calipers were showing definite signs
> of seal damage.
> Rich
> 94 VR4
> Big Red Porsche 993 twin turbo calipers
> Porterfield cyrogenically treated stock rotors


Be of good cheer,
John

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12.4@109MPH  5/97 almost stock
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 00:11:50 -0600
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: Team3S: locked out of my glove compartment

wow.  I didn't expect so many responses.  thank you all who took the
time to offer suggestions. 

in case anyone is curious, I ended up breaking the upper u-shaped latch
by using a cheapie flat blade screwdriver as a chisel.  I must say I
cringed every time I smacked it with a hammer.  not the kind of mechanic
work I like to do to my black beauty.

after getting it open, I realized all my attempts to pop the latch with
a bent coat hanger were rediculous.  they really did a good job concealing
the mechanism. 

anyway, it looks like something came apart on the back of the lock
cylinder so the rod wasn't moving when the key was turned.  since it looks
like I'll need a new lock as well, I could have drilled it out, but it
still might have been dificult to get it open without being able to see
what I was trying to move inside. 

someone told me the "posts" of the u-latch were weak metal, but it
took some significant effort to break them free.  If I had to do it
again, I'd probably try the careful hacksaw method someone else suggested.


thanks again to everyone!


Dave
=======================
= 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
= 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
= There is no spoon.. =
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:16:21 -0400
From: ukyo@avana.net
Subject: Team3S: Need a little advice on a VR4

Hi guys,

I recently found a '94 VR4 not too far from where I
work.  It's dark green and has light beige leather
interior.  It has the manual crank sunroof.  The engine
pulls strong with no noticable knocking / ticking.  The
transmission seems to have a slight problem with going
in to second (syncro???).  The paint is in decent
shape, but not great.  The interior has seen better
days with the driver seat needing to be totally
reworked.  The carpet is stained in the back on both
sides (looks like an oil or dark soda spill).  The
stereo is in CODE mode, so I have no idea if it even
works.  The active areo works, I have no idea on the
power antenna.  It has 17" rims (I thought VR4s were
supposed to have 18"???) that look to be stock
Mitsubishi.  The climate control works fine.  The power
door lock does not work on the passenger side, nor does
the passenger inside door handel.  They are asking
$14,995 for the car, but in the shape it's in I feel
that to be a little high.  Thing is it has been on the
lot for a while.  They said that if it doesn't move in
2 weeks that it is going to auction where they, "know
we can get $15K out of it". 

What do you guys think a car in this shape would be
worth?  I would like to toss out a number at them
before they ship it off.  I don't mind putting some
work in to the car to make it more like it should be,
but I don't want to drop $15K on a fixer - upper. 

Comments???  Thanks in advance...

- --Travis
'97 3000GT (Base + K&N FIPK - Resonator Bottle / Red)


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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 07:26:35 +0200
From: Jim Matthews <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: AVC-R problem

Richard <radanc@home.com> wrote:
>
> Air density might not matter, but oxygen clearly does which is more
> sparse up there. Combustion dosn't work as well in low oxygen
> conditions. My car always had lower performance and worked harder in
> humid (East coast US) and high altitude conditions (ala colorado at 11K
> feet or so). Do you have an EGT. what were the readings? I'll bet they
> were verrry high.
>
> Rich
> 92 Stealth TT

Thanks for the note.  Unfortunately, I do not have an EGT, but I don't think
that would indicate the problem in this case; on this most recent outing, I was
driving the car very lightly and the odd behavior just kind of appeared.  I
understand that the air is thinner at higher elevations, but I don't see why
that would cause the boost to "stick" at 7psi and then abruptly jump to max
boost, and then later (higher in the mountains) to not budge from 7psi at all.
In extreme situations, I would expect boost to build more slowly (though still
smoothly) and perhaps not reach the max pressure setting with the BADC set at
lower elevations.

- --
Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
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Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPH)
Porterfield cryo-treated rotors, RS4 pads, braided lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque


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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 07:17:30 +0200
From: Jim Matthews <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Top end knocking on VR4

Tang_Kenneth wrote:
>
> 1. Is this a symptom of a common problem that I should look for first?

You've probably already exhausted this possibility, but before you dive in to
major repairs, make sure it's not the infamous Mitsubishi valve lash adjuster
ticking from which most of us suffer.  If you hold the RPMs at 3500+ RPM for a
few seconds, does the ticking stop abruptly?  If so, then it's probably nothing
to worry about.  If not, then...


> 2. If (1) not what possible problems could this be, and how do I trace it
>    down. I am fairly competent mechanic, rebuilt several engines in past.

...see Chris Maxwell's post.  :-(

- --
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:05:44 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Need a little advice on a VR4

> The transmission seems to have a slight problem
> with going in to second (syncro???).

If the problem is still slight, switching to a better tranny fluid (BG
Synchroshift or Redline) may be all it needs.

> The interior has seen better days with the
> driver seat needing to be totally reworked.

That's not particularly encouraging...  Shows that the previous owner(s)
didn't give a damn about the car.

> It has 17" rims (I thought VR4s were supposed to
> have 18"???) that look to be stock Mitsubishi.

'94 VR4s have 17" wheels, with the shiny chrome ones being optional.

> The climate control works fine.

One of the few good things you've said about it so far...

> The power door lock does not work on the passenger
> side, nor does the passenger inside door handel.
> They are asking $14,995 for the car, but in the
> shape it's in I feel that to be a little high.
> Thing is it has been on the lot for a while.
> They said that if it doesn't move in 2 weeks that
> it is going to auction where they, "know
> we can get $15K out of it". 

No way is it worth $15,000 and they know that.  If it is worth $15,000 at
auction, then it is worth MORE than that on the lot - and they aren't
getting even getting $15,000.

> What do you guys think a car in this shape would be
> worth?  I would like to toss out a number at them
> before they ship it off.  I don't mind putting some
> work in to the car to make it more like it should be,
> but I don't want to drop $15K on a fixer - upper. 

You forgot to mention the mileage on it, so its difficult to throw out a
good number for you.  I personally wouldn't pay more than $10,000 for it if
the mileage is below 60,000.  If it is above that, adjust the number
downwards accordingly.  Tires, alignment, brakes all okay?  No nasty leaks
underneath?

I'm going to guess it is near 60,000 miles and the timing belt / water pump
work has not been done yet since the car sounds neglected.  With it in the
shape it is, whoever traded it in probably didn't get much for it, so assume
that the dealer will deal down pretty low just to move it.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a little advice on a VR4

Travis,

Seriously, offer them $8000; that's probably all they paid for it or
less! There is probably no repair and maintenance history on this
"lot" car. Mileage? If the car has been neglected as bad as you
indicate then the preventative maintenance for the engine, turbos,
and drive train was probably not done either. Count on it being a
fixer-upper and costing you $8-10K for moderate trany and engine
rebuilds plus all the other repairs. Let hem get "$15K" for it from
someone else and keep shopping.

Good luck,

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: <ukyo@avana.net>
To: <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 6:16 AM
Subject: Team3S: Need a little advice on a VR4


Hi guys,

I recently found a '94 VR4 not too far from where I
work.  It's dark green and has light beige leather
interior.  It has the manual crank sunroof.  The engine
pulls strong with no noticable knocking / ticking.  The
transmission seems to have a slight problem with going
in to second (syncro???).  The paint is in decent
shape, but not great.  The interior has seen better
days with the driver seat needing to be totally
reworked.  The carpet is stained in the back on both
sides (looks like an oil or dark soda spill).  The
stereo is in CODE mode, so I have no idea if it even
works.  The active areo works, I have no idea on the
power antenna.  It has 17" rims (I thought VR4s were
supposed to have 18"???) that look to be stock
Mitsubishi.  The climate control works fine.  The power
door lock does not work on the passenger side, nor does
the passenger inside door handel.  They are asking
$14,995 for the car, but in the shape it's in I feel
that to be a little high.  Thing is it has been on the
lot for a while.  They said that if it doesn't move in
2 weeks that it is going to auction where they, "know
we can get $15K out of it". 

What do you guys think a car in this shape would be
worth?  I would like to toss out a number at them
before they ship it off.  I don't mind putting some
work in to the car to make it more like it should be,
but I don't want to drop $15K on a fixer - upper. 

Comments???  Thanks in advance...

- --Travis
'97 3000GT (Base + K&N FIPK - Resonator Bottle / Red)


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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:18:27 -0400
From: ukyo@avana.net
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a little advice on a VR4

Some important things I forgot to mention:

63,296 miles (about 30 of those are mine).  :)
Chrome rims.
Missing the button that switchs the exhaust or
suspension (I don't know which button is which...
button that is still mounted reads ECS and is on the
dash near the tach.)
Missing lighter (no biggie).
Missing hatchback sliding cover.
Does have the sunroof removable cover.  :)
Missing jack.
Looks like it has great tires on it (forgot brand name).
Located in Austell, Georgia (just out side of Atlanta).

I wouldn't mind buying the car and putting a little
(lot) of TLC into it, but I don't want to dump a lot of
money in a dog that is going to bite me in the wallet
every time I turn around.  :)

Sorry if this comes through twice...

- --Travis
'97 3000GT (Base + K&N FIPK - Resonator Bottle / Red)

> Hi guys,
>
> I recently found a '94 VR4 not too far from where I
> work.  It's dark green and has light beige leather
> interior.  It has the manual crank sunroof.  The
engine
> pulls strong with no noticable knocking / ticking. 
The
> transmission seems to have a slight problem with going
> in to second (syncro???).  The paint is in decent
> shape, but not great.  The interior has seen better
> days with the driver seat needing to be totally
> reworked.  The carpet is stained in the back on both
> sides (looks like an oil or dark soda spill).  The
> stereo is in CODE mode, so I have no idea if it even
> works.  The active areo works, I have no idea on the
> power antenna.  It has 17" rims (I thought VR4s were
> supposed to have 18"???) that look to be stock
> Mitsubishi.  The climate control works fine.  The
power
> door lock does not work on the passenger side, nor
does
> the passenger inside door handel.  They are asking
> $14,995 for the car, but in the shape it's in I feel
> that to be a little high.  Thing is it has been on the
> lot for a while.  They said that if it doesn't move in
> 2 weeks that it is going to auction where they, "know
> we can get $15K out of it".
>
> What do you guys think a car in this shape would be
> worth?  I would like to toss out a number at them
> before they ship it off.  I don't mind putting some
> work in to the car to make it more like it should be,
> but I don't want to drop $15K on a fixer - upper.
>
> Comments???  Thanks in advance...
>
> --Travis
> '97 3000GT (Base + K&N FIPK - Resonator Bottle / Red)
>
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:48:38 CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: AVC-R problem

Jim,

I know you've had the AVC-R installed for awhile.  I wonder if the solinoid
is getting dirty.  We all now that it is common to get filmy oil in the
Y-pipe.  This same oil can easily make it to the AVC-R solinoid.  Especially
if its been installed for a couple of years.  Didn't Roger take his Blitz
solinoid apart??  Maybe he can offer some insight as far as taking it apart.

With your symtoms, thats the only thing that would make sense to me.

later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org



>From: Jim Matthews <jim@the-matthews.com>
>To: Team3S Technical Forum <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: AVC-R problem
>Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 07:26:35 +0200
>
>Thanks for the note.  Unfortunately, I do not have an EGT, but I don't
>think
>that would indicate the problem in this case; on this most recent outing, I
>was
>driving the car very lightly and the odd behavior just kind of appeared.  I
>understand that the air is thinner at higher elevations, but I don't see
>why
>that would cause the boost to "stick" at 7psi and then abruptly jump to max
>boost, and then later (higher in the mountains) to not budge from 7psi at
>all.
>In extreme situations, I would expect boost to build more slowly (though
>still
>smoothly) and perhaps not reach the max pressure setting with the BADC set
>at
>lower elevations.
>
>--
>Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:51:57 -0500
From: "Walton C. Gibson" <kalla@tripoint.org>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a little advice on a VR4

> I wouldn't mind buying the car and putting a little
> (lot) of TLC into it, but I don't want to dump a lot of
> money in a dog that is going to bite me in the wallet
> every time I turn around.  :)

You should pass on this car. There will be other vr-4s to see and
buy. It sounds to me like the last owner didn't give a damn about it.
$15,000 would be about right if it was in perfect shape.

My '93 vr-4 was $13,000. It was really really dirty, and needed a
tune up. I took care of all that, and spent a week cleaning it. It's
doing fine now. Anything more wrong with it, and I would have
passed.

Walton C. Gibson
kalla@tripoint.org



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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:20:20 +0100
From: "George Shaw" <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Mitsubishi Logo

Has anyone ever seen a Metal Mitsubishi badge for the front of the 3K? The
stock one is plastic and looks awful after a while with the plastic having
hairline cracks. If there is not a metal one available, I may be tempted to
get one made in brass with Red diamonds enamelled within a Gold outline,
having seen the Honda and Lexus badge in Gold it looks the biz. If I can get
these made, is anyone interested in buying one? I have no idea of price yet.
It may even be possible to get one made like the Team 3 S logo. This would
have to fit inside the bonnet/hood indent. Either stick on as the original
or bolt through to stop thieving toe rags making off with them. In the mean
time I will have to get a plastic one from Mitsubishi until I get one or
make one.

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:07:36 -0700
From: "Connelly, Jay" <jay.connelly@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: AVC-R problem

I do recall that one of the selling points of the AVC-R was that it
maintained boost pressure based on atmospheric conditions - e.g. - it had
some sort of a pressure sensor that adjusted the internal pressure based on
the outside pressure.  I am not certain where exactly this unit is but it
seems like it could be a piece of your problem and perhaps a piece of mine.

Does this ring a bell with anyone else?

Jay



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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:18:01 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a little advice on a VR4

>l They said that if it doesn't move in
>2 weeks that it is going to auction where they, "know
>we can get $15K out of it". 

Bull.
>
>What do you guys think a car in this shape would be
>worth?

$8000, especially since it needs a new tranny (yes, the 2nd gear synchro is
shot), interior work, etc. I saw a 91 in the same kind of shape for $6995
earlier this year.

Rich



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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:31:10 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need a little advice on a VR4

At 09:18 AM 10/3/00 -0400, ukyo@avana.net wrote:
>Some important things I forgot to mention:
>>63,296 miles (about 30 of those are mine).  :)

Two things: 
1. You DEFINITELY need 2nd gear synchros. 60K is the usual mileage for a
2nd gear synchro failure.
2.  You also need the 60K tuneup, which includes timing gear, water pump,
etc. This is $800+ at a dealer, less if you do it yourself.

Rich

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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:46:42 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: AVC-R problem

Yes, the AVC-R should be using a relative pressure sensor.  Thus it will need to
relearn for significant elevation or atmospheric changes.

When I ran my bleeder valve, there were noticiable differences boosting close to
work 1 mile from the coast and very humid, then getting home at an elevation of
2000 feet, 20 miles inland, and less humidity.  The same bleeder setting would
change peak boost by about 2 psi.

> I do recall that one of the selling points of the AVC-R was that it
> maintained boost pressure based on atmospheric conditions - e.g. - it had
> some sort of a pressure sensor that adjusted the internal pressure based on
> the outside pressure.  I am not certain where exactly this unit is but it
> seems like it could be a piece of your problem and perhaps a piece of mine.
>
> Does this ring a bell with anyone else?


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Could you drive any better if I shoved that cell phone up your a**?!

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:41:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Stegall III <jstegall@programmer.net>
Subject: Team3S: New to 3S... help?!?

I'm new to the 3000GT/Stealth scene.  I just came up from an 1993 Talon.  I'm hoping to get some help on a few things.  I live in Alta Loma, Ca and work in Newport Beach, Ca.  So far, I've searched the internet and phone books and haven't found a shop that works on these cars yet.  Anyone on this list live near either areas and know of a good shop?
     Before I go on to the next question, don't take me wrong guys.  Last list I was on I asked a similar question and reamed for it (only later to prove everyone on the list wrong).  I'm no rice boy or anything like that, I'm just trying to work with what I have and see what I can do to it.
     My next question, and this may seem like a stupid one... but has anyone here done a 3000GT base->VR-4 conversion?  A friend of mine owns a 1996 3000GT (base model) and he had a shop in Arizona rip out his SOHC engine and drop a VR-4 engine into it with stock turbos, same 5 speed tranny and only a few mods and got the damn thing working.  Now I know such could be done easily in the eclipse line (I did it myself), but I don't know how easy or difficult it is in the 3S line.  My friend isn't the biggest car guy, so he's no help in knowing what they did and the shop won't tell me shit unless I drive out there, but I wanna do it myself. Anyone here pulled that conversion?  If not, I do want to at least drop the SL model DOHC engine and turbo-charge that.  I know, it's probably cheaper to trade my car in and go get a VR-4, but I WANT TO DO THIS THE HARD WAY.  Thanks for any help in advance.

John
1997 3000GT

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:04:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: New to 3S... help?!?

John,

Check out the HUGE Links page at my web site. Some shops are in CA.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
  --> http://www.stealth316.com/

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From: "John Stegall III" <jstegall@programmer.net>
To: <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:41 AM
Subject: Team3S: New to 3S... help?!?

I'm new to the 3000GT/Stealth scene.  I just came up from an 1993
Talon.  I'm hoping to get some help on a few things.  I live in Alta
Loma, Ca and work in Newport Beach, Ca.  So far, I've searched the
internet and phone books and haven't found a shop that works on these
cars yet.  Anyone on this list live near either areas and know of a
good shop?

<snip>

John
1997 3000GT

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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:04:42 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: New to 3S... help?!?

> Anyone here pulled that conversion?  If not, I do want
> to at least drop the SL model DOHC engine and
> turbo-charge that.  I know, it's probably cheaper to
> trade my car in and go get a VR-4, but I WANT TO DO
> THIS THE HARD WAY.  Thanks for any help in advance.

You'll need a full motor, turbos, both pre-cats, a downpipe, ECU, intake
setup, turbo-calibrated MAF sensor, intercoolers and mounting brackets,
boost control system, and a higher flow fuel pump at a minimum.  You might
need an SL tranny, I'm not sure if the base model tranny bolts up, but the
SL uses the same block as the VR4 so theoretically it should bolt on.

Expect to run into some unexpected roadblocks and costs, but it should be
possible to do.  Doesn't sound cheap to me...

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:54:07 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: New to 3S... help?!?

>hat I have and see what I can do to it.
>     My next question, and this may seem like a stupid one... but has
anyone here done a 3000GT base->VR-4 conversion?  A friend of mine owns a
1996 3000GT (base model) and he had a shop in Arizona rip out his SOHC
engine and drop a VR-4 engine into it

The easiest way is to contact ukyo@avana.net, and see if he bought that
clapped-out VR4 with the bad tranny for $8,000. If not, you could buy it
and transfer all the good parts to your car. Probably cost about the same
as buying all the parts separately (engine, turbos, intercoolers, piping,
etc.)

So you went from a Talon to a 3000GT, eh?
I have a VR4 and I just bought a Talon TSi AWD  for a winter/rally/track car.


Rich

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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:27:13 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Unlimited Carfax, anyone?

Anyone out there have unlimited Carfaxs?
I want to run a vin, and the preliminary "free" one wont even go through
(???)
If so, please email me privately!

Thanks!
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)


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