team3s             Sunday, October 1 2000             Volume 01 : Number 280




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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 06:10:14 +0100
From: "Martin" <martin@star.co.uk>
Subject: Team3S: 02 sensor help

Hi All
I have just come back from a dyno test on my
92 GTO TT
The mechanic there says my Lambda sensor isn't working and that i am running
way too rich.
First of all i haven't heard of a Lamda sensor on our cars but he says it
measures oxygen on the exhaust so is he talking about the oxygen sensor?
And if so, where is it located on a Twin Turbo and how can you tell if it is
bad and which one?
(i believe there are two)
When i do find the bad one, how easy are they to take out and replace, and
do you need special tools?
Sorry to sound stupid but i have never tried looking for these sensors
before.
Thanks in advance
Martin Berkley



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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:05:04 EDT
From: Zeoswolf@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: headlight lens OR whole assembly

Hey fellow 3/Sers!
   Ok here is the deal... I need the headlight lens for the second generation
stealth.  Mine are completely and utterly discusting!  there is moisture and
all kinds of little tiny hairline cracks in them.  Needless to say, they look
HORRIBLE!  I really was hoping I would not have to pay Mitsu 300-400 a piece
for the headlight assembly.... does ANYone know where I can get them perhaps
used in good condition or a REALLY good discount somewhere?  I just tried
taking them off about an hour ago... and an hour had passed without me
getting anywhere near able to pull the lens off the fixture.  Once again,
needless to say, I was pissed.  Well any help would be much appreciated..
even somebody that might have a junked stealth for a parts car...  anyone,
anyone????  Thanks in advance!

James
94R/T

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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 01:04:22 -0700
From: Richard <radanc@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Injectors

Hey all,

Anybody with research knowledge know anything to substantiate going with
any particular type of injector? For example:

RC vs Denso, Does it matter?


Rich
92 Stealth TT

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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:03:37 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: headlight lens OR whole assembly

- ----- Original Message ----- From: <Zeoswolf@aol.com>
>    Ok here is the deal... I need the headlight lens for the second
generation
> stealth.  Mine are completely and utterly discusting!  there is
moisture and
> all kinds of little tiny hairline cracks in them.  Needless to say,
they look
> HORRIBLE!  I really was hoping I would not have to pay Mitsu 300-400 a
piece
> for the headlight assembly.... does ANYone know where I can get them
perhaps
> used in good condition or a REALLY good discount somewhere?  I just
tried
> taking them off about an hour ago... and an hour had passed without me
> getting anywhere near able to pull the lens off the fixture.  Once
again,
> needless to say, I was pissed.  Well any help would be much
appreciated..
> even somebody that might have a junked stealth for a parts car...
anyone,
> anyone????  Thanks in advance!
> James

Here are some used parts suppliers for you to call:

M & S Recycling
3590 Sunrise Blvd., #1
Rancho Cordova, CA 95742
800-695-4700
www.msrecycling.com

New Castle Auto Wrecking
2627 Ellwood Rd.
New Castle, PA 16101
800-245-2226

Woodfins Used Auto Parts
12910 Genito Road
Midlothian, VA 23113
888-883-4466, Ext. 234
www.woodfins.com

Good luck!

Forrest





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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:10:45 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: I love my airbag

Hello all,

I'm writing to announce sad news... my 91 Pearl White RT/TT is in tough
shape right now.  A 2000 Isuzu Rodeo turned left in front of me, and I
smacked it good.  It took out my entire left side (my car) and my airbag
deployed.

An airbag feels like a real soft pillow, and that's exactly the thought
I had - why is there a pillow in my car??  After a 50mph+ (combined
speed), head on impact accident, I crawled out of my car to help the
people in the other vehicle.  And called 911.

Moral of the story:  Stealths/3000GT's are great cars.  Seat belts
rule.  Airbags rule.
I have no injuries, and my car took good care of me.  Now its my turn to
take care of her, in return.

I will keep you posted, until then, buckle up everyone! (And make sure
your SRS light isn't on!!!!)

Best regards,
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT - "Diehard Snoopy"
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)


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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:17:55 -0500
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: headlight lens OR whole assembly

The headlight assembly is molded together and does not come apart.  You need
to buy the whole assembly.  The '94 headlight assemblies were made out of
glass.  '95 + are made out of some sort of plastic.  It appears that the
plastic ones hold up better against the moisture problem.  If you buy used
ones, keep in mind that the Mitsu ones are colored, whereas all Stealth ones
are black.  Not sure how well it turns out, but I think some people have
painted the outside of the lens cover.  I suppose this works better on the
plastic ones.

Oskar
'95 R/T TT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Zeoswolf@aol.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>; <stealth@starnet.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 1:05 PM
Subject: Team3S: headlight lens OR whole assembly


> Hey fellow 3/Sers!
>    Ok here is the deal... I need the headlight lens for the second
generation
> stealth.  Mine are completely and utterly discusting!  there is moisture
and
> all kinds of little tiny hairline cracks in them.  Needless to say, they
look
> HORRIBLE!  I really was hoping I would not have to pay Mitsu 300-400 a
piece
> for the headlight assembly.... does ANYone know where I can get them
perhaps
> used in good condition or a REALLY good discount somewhere?  I just tried
> taking them off about an hour ago... and an hour had passed without me
> getting anywhere near able to pull the lens off the fixture.  Once again,
> needless to say, I was pissed.  Well any help would be much appreciated..
> even somebody that might have a junked stealth for a parts car...  anyone,
> anyone????  Thanks in advance!
>
> James
> 94R/T
>
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Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 01:15:51 -0400
From: Bill Wagner <wagner@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: "Newbie owner needs Getrag help!"

Laura:

Mitsubish and Dodge do not sell parts for the Getrags installed in the
Vr-4s a Stealth RT/TTs (respectively). Kormex makes some of the parts,
and may be able to sell your mechanic the parts you need, but under
normal conditions I don't think they stock the 2nd-3rd gears
synchronizers. They will sell you a rebuilt unit for about 1/2 the price
of a Mitsu tranny (by the way, Mitsu is selling rebuilt units too and
they are built in the U.S., not Japan).

Here's a list of contacts for Getrag rebuilts and parts...you'll
probably have to let your mechanic talk to them to see what they can
work out:

GETRAG SOURCES:

1. Kormex at 800-429-5464
2. Southern Gear  at 770-435-1461
3. GTR Motorsports...e-mail Max Mayants at NYMaxxNY@aol.com.
4. MD Auto in California. (619) 390-0450
5. Transmission Mart in Florida  (877)298-TRAN
6. Drivetrain Specialists of Las Vegas - Las Vegas NV, 89102
   For orders:1-800-216-1632, for technical info: us at 1-702-876-3100
   or send email to ujoints@intermind.net.

I haven't heard terribly good things about Transmission Mart, even
though they CLAIM they are manufacturing all their own parts and have a
lifetime warranty. Southern Gear and Drivetrain Specialties are pretty
pricey (Drivertrain Specialties almost costs as much as Mitsu).

Kormex and MD Auto have been working these transaxles a long time and
they probably have the most experience and better references than the
others. GTR Motorsports used to have some parts, but I don't know if
they're still distributing them.

Good Luck,

Bill Wagner


Laura Roehrig wrote:
>
> I just recently purchased a 91 Stealth/TT.  I've had it A MONTH and it's
> been in the shop for over two weeks!  I love the car but since its not under
> warranty I've had to shoulder all the bills for repairs which seemed to
> start to pile up as soon as I got it home. (slave cylinder 1st week, oxygen
> sensor 2nd week, AWD output shaft 3rd week......now the getrag
> synchronizers)!!!!
>
> The gears grind between 2nd and 3rd gears.  My mechanic is an ex-Dodge
> mechanic and the best transmission guy in these remote parts of Pa.  He says
> that the synchronizer is bad.  While taking the car apart he discovered that
> the AWD system was just about to go, and ordered the parts for that to be
> repaired.  In the mean time....I've been trying to get my hands on the parts
> necessary to replace the synchronizer.  No one has them....not even the
> dealer....I've been told that you have to buy the whole transmission and
> have it shipped from Japan....($$$$$$3,000+shipping).  I've even called
> Getrag in Germany, and they don't know if they can even send the parts to
> me, because they only export to Japan (the whole transmission).
>
> If its possible to get the synchronizer for 2nd to 3rd gear......should I
> just replace all of them (all gears)  while I'm at it....to save myself the
> labor costs???
>
> I downloaded the "find parts" program on this site, but got lost trying to
> match up parts with Mitsubishi, and knowing which parts to actually search
> for based on the illustration...so pretty much that was a bust for me.
>
> I'd appreciate any suggestions anyone might have.......thanks,
>
> Laura Roehrig
> lroehrig@zbzoom.net
>
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Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 07:37:05 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: I love my airbag

Ken, glad to here you're OK. Sounds like you will need a new Airbag too.
I just happen to have one from my 91 VR-4 for sale $350.00
Your insurance estimate will repay about $1500.00 for this item.
Buy mine & put the rest in your pocket.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 09/30/2000 10:10:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tt007ken@yahoo.com writes:

<< Subj:     Team3S: I love my airbag
 Date:  09/30/2000 10:10:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:  tt007ken@yahoo.com (Ken Stanton)
 Sender:    owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
 To:    Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st (Team3S Stealth)
 
 Hello all,
 
 I'm writing to announce sad news... my 91 Pearl White RT/TT is in tough
 shape right now.  A 2000 Isuzu Rodeo turned left in front of me, and I
 smacked it good.  It took out my entire left side (my car) and my airbag
 deployed.
 
 An airbag feels like a real soft pillow, and that's exactly the thought
 I had - why is there a pillow in my car??  After a 50mph+ (combined
 sp >>

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Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 06:35:22 -0600
From: "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 02 sensor help

Hi Martin,

Interesting comments from a "dyno test mechanic"` since the ECU does NOT USE
the O2 sensor information to determine A/F when under moderate to heavy load
or acceleration. The O2 sensor is used in a feedback loop at idle, cruising,
and light-load acceleration. What were you "dynoing", idle? :)

If your engine is running rich under load, replacing the O2 sensors on your
car will not fix that because they are are monitoring sensors only at that
point; the ECU is using other info to determine the injector pulse width and
timing advance. If the sensors ARE bad, then idle and cruising will be
affected.

Now the dyno shop may install their own lambda (with a "b" right?) sensor in
the exhaust pipe; is that what you are referring to? How about scanning the
dyno results and showing them too us? Many of us are starved for such info.

The O2 sensors are located in the exhaust housings just "after" the turbos.
There are heat shields near these housings so the sensors may be difficult
to see. The connectors for the sensors are very easy to find (at least on my
'92 TT) and you can follow the wires back to the sensors (kind of). The
connector for the rear sensor sits on top of the engine, between the 2 valve
covers, near the fuel rail and injectors. The insulation is often pulled
back a little to reveal yellow wires. The connector for the front sensor is
near the oil fill cap, towards the front of the car and down a little. If
you are new to these cars and want to learn more, the Manuals on CD by
Vineet for $35 are an outstanding bargain (see my web site Links page for
link).

To tell if the O2 sensor is bad will require you to monitor its voltage
output under various engine conditions. This is most easily done with the
TMO datalogger or an A/F meter like the ARM1 from Split Second. You could
also tap into the O2 connector/wires directly or into the ECU connector and
use a voltmeter. A properly functioning O2 sensor will change voltage in a
sinousoidal pattern from near 0.0 to near 1.0 volts at the rate of 1 cycle
about every  2 seconds during warm idle (and after the O2 sensor is warm).
As RPM increase, the cycle rate will increase to at least 1 or more per
second. The pattern should be fairly smoothly varying, meaning that there
should not be a bunch of little or big jitters or very-rapid variations.
When you are driving and accelerate the car, the O2 readings will stop
cycling and stay at a near-fixed value up near 1.0 V (0.86 to 0.94 is
common) to indicate a rich A/F mixture (less than 14.7; or lambda value less
than 1.0). The ECU  (not the sensor) causes the rich condition which is
necessary to make power for acceleration. Best power is made when the A/F is
near 12.5. The lambda value is just the ratio of the actual A/F to 14.7 (if
A/F = 12.5, then lambda = 0.85).

As far as easy to take out and replace, I have not tried that but have heard
that it can be troublesome. Be sure to check the function first before
trying to replace (good advice for any sensor). The ECU uses both O2 sensors
(3 in newer models?), but the TMO only monitors the rear one.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin" <martin@star.co.uk>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 11:10 PM
Subject: Team3S: 02 sensor help


Hi All
I have just come back from a dyno test on my
92 GTO TT
The mechanic there says my Lambda sensor isn't working and that i am running
way too rich.
First of all i haven't heard of a Lamda sensor on our cars but he says it
measures oxygen on the exhaust so is he talking about the oxygen sensor?
And if so, where is it located on a Twin Turbo and how can you tell if it is
bad and which one?
(i believe there are two)
When i do find the bad one, how easy are they to take out and replace, and
do you need special tools?
Sorry to sound stupid but i have never tried looking for these sensors
before.
Thanks in advance
Martin Berkley



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Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:10:01 -0600
From: "Matthew H. Fogle" <foglem@t-three.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: "Newbie owner needs Getrag help!"

You mention your AWD output shaft going bad; what did this feel like? I too have a
91 VR4 and have been trying to figure out what some of the things I feel are.
Thanks!

>
> Laura Roehrig wrote:
> >
> > I just recently purchased a 91 Stealth/TT.  I've had it A MONTH and it's
> > been in the shop for over two weeks!  I love the car but since its not under
> > warranty I've had to shoulder all the bills for repairs which seemed to
> > start to pile up as soon as I got it home. (slave cylinder 1st week, oxygen
> > sensor 2nd week, AWD output shaft 3rd week......now the getrag
> > synchronizers)!!!!
> >
> > The gears grind between 2nd and 3rd gears.  My mechanic is an ex-Dodge
> > mechanic and the best transmission guy in these remote parts of Pa.  He says
> > that the synchronizer is bad.  While taking the car apart he discovered that
> > the AWD system was just about to go, and ordered the parts for that to be
> > repaired.  In the mean time....I've been trying to get my hands on the parts
> > necessary to replace the synchronizer.  No one has them....not even the
> > dealer....I've been told that you have to buy the whole transmission and
> > have it shipped from Japan....($$$$$$3,000+shipping).  I've even called
> > Getrag in Germany, and they don't know if they can even send the parts to
> > me, because they only export to Japan (the whole transmission).
> >
> > If its possible to get the synchronizer for 2nd to 3rd gear......should I
> > just replace all of them (all gears)  while I'm at it....to save myself the
> > labor costs???
> >
> > I downloaded the "find parts" program on this site, but got lost trying to
> > match up parts with Mitsubishi, and knowing which parts to actually search
> > for based on the illustration...so pretty much that was a bust for me.
> >
> > I'd appreciate any suggestions anyone might have.......thanks,
> >
> > Laura Roehrig
> > lroehrig@zbzoom.net
> >
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Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:57:10 -0700
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Changed battery terminal and then everything goes dead...

I changed the negative battery terminal today and then went to start the
car. I turn the key and the usual lights and sounds start.  I then turn it
to start and everything goes dead.  Nothing. Not one light in the car is on.
I check all the fuses (that I know about anyways) and they all seem fine.
I'm confused.  I checked the voltage on the battery and it said 12.5 volts
so I know that's okay.  I'm going to check the manual right now to see if I
can turn up something.  Anyone have any ideas as to what this might be?
It's like the battery isn't there...

Thanks,
Chris
92 R/T TT

btw, the battery terminals are connected tight, so it's not that.


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