team3s           Tuesday, September 26 2000           Volume 01 : Number 276




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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:09:02 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RPS clutch  problems continue!!

As this is getting off topic, I'm going to say my piece and let it rest.


Let me tell you about "Not fair":

I have installed 4 RPS clutches in my car over the past 2.5 years.
3 Flywheel turning @ 45.00     135.00
Replace one flywheel  ~ 225.00   225.00
Labor to do all the clutches   (fair market value of 350.00)  4x 350.00
1400.00

Turn around time on the clutch replacement is around 4-6 weeks (longer in
once case)
I was expected to leave my car down in a non-running condition while he
rebuilt my clutch so I could install it and have it fail.

That comes to 1760.00 out of my pocket.  And that doesn't even include the
car work I "COULD" have done while messing with this stupid clutch.

I promise you, every time I had the clutch warranted, it was a "NEW AND
IMPROVED DESIGN"  For lack of better words, this is a bull-shit line.

The clutch going into my customer's car was originally intended to go in my
car.  Therefore I take this personally.  I would have increased my number by
one more.  Not to mention the customer has lost some faith in the products I
recommend.

As it goes, I spend more of my time and money taking care of a warranty on a
clutch that should have worked.

I understand that clutches and parts go bad.  10-15% is an acceptable
number.   Lets compile numbers and see the 10-15% "happy customers" come
out.

The DSM guys feel the same way about the RPS clutch.  I have personally
replaced two GSX clutches that failed in the first 1,000 miles.

It's time for Rob to start selling his clutches at "prototypes" and not
"finished products".

On a different note, I have the utmost respect for Rob as a tuner, he has
proven to be knowledgeable tuner and a great source for other things.
I understand he is pioneering a lot of new products and with this comes
failure.    All I ask is some honesty and someone tell me when their product
isn't tested.


Rob, if this gets to you. You have my number.

I have a customer who is out 400.00 in labor and had the front of his car
damaged due to towing his vehicle.


Brad
Check out my home page: http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Trevor L. James
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:23 PM
To: Veilside GTO; team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS clutch problems continue!!

I don't think that's fair. Supposedly they've changed the clutch composition
since everyone was having problems. I have an RPS stage II that I bought
around
the 20th of April & works great with about 420lbft or torque. No slipping
during
launches or chattering around town. I've done quite a few 3.9X second 0-60's
with it according to my G-tech. Even spun all 4 tires once for 30' just to
test
it out. (Don't try that at home kiddies) If you purchased that clutch within
the
last few months I wouldn't worry...

Trevor
96 Stealth R/T TT
12.65@107.9
With so many new mods that time isn't even close anymore...
92 GMC Typhoon
13.96@9.4

Veilside GTO wrote:

> Send it back....trust me....I was the customer Brad was talking about. I
am
> not very happy with what is going on now and RPS is going to pay for the
> labor one way or another. I am not about to fork out anout $500 + to have
my
> mechanic's correct this mistake.
>
> Return it and get the ACT or the stock clutch and save yourself the pain I
> am going through.
>
> Best,
>
> Julian Huang
> 94 Mitsubishi Veilside Tein TEC GTO tt
> Team 3S
> Seattle, Washington
> gtovr4@postalzone.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Walton C. Gibson
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 4:12 PM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS clutch problems continue!!
>
> > I think it's about time we put RPS on a consumer alert page.   These
> > clutches have been nothing but a pain to me and many others.
>
> I just purchased an RPS Stage II. I have not installed it yet, but I
> did read good things about the RPS when I ordered it. Am I going
> to have nothing but problems out of it? If so, I'll just send it back
> and save myself the pain of finding out the hard way.
>
> Walton C. Gibson
> kalla@tripoint.org


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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:19:33 -0700
From: "Veilside GTO" <gtovr4@postalzone.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RPS clutch  problems continue!!

Well stated Oskar. I did not mention this before but just replied to
Trevor's email. I am inclined to believe that I have been one of those "test
beds" and am not exactly pleased to be one of those guinea pigs. As for the
Stage II or III clutches, I don't really care. It is afterall still from RPS
and after speaking to Brad an hour ago, we now believe that RPS is not
recommended for the 3000GT/ Stealth. Based on what I gather, Rob is a nice
person but those clutches are just not holding for the 3S.

Worse of all, the RPS clutch I bought was suppose to go into Brad's 3000 but
he never got a chance to install it as he has the OS Giken on his car.
Hence, he sold it to me at a reasonable price. Initially I posted on this
list and the Starnet list, but the responses as Oskar mentioned were
pitiful. I understand that there were quite a few threads earlier about this
topic but still.. ...Now when my RPS decides to give up on me after 700+
miles, everyone starts speaking up. Brad was also convinced at first that
the RPS clutch had changed and now was better built. He regrets saying that
and takes this seriously as the clutch he sold me was suppose to go into his
car..I had to be the unlucky one to test it. Either way, I am getting RPS to
pay for the labor involved in taking the clutch out and will never get an
RPS again. This whole matter was unnecessary as it is costing me a lot of
money and time. To make matters worse, it cracked my front bumper as the car
had to be towed. Now, I have to pay for getting the clutch out, buying a new
clutch to put in, and have my car sent back to the bodyshop to have the
bumper removed, fixed, repainted and refitted - ALL of this wasted time and
money over a CLUTCH! My car will at least be gone for the next month which
is like a year for me - I am sure some of u will understand that!

It is either the ACT or the stock clutch. I have resigned from the Starnet
list as it is useless.

Enough said, so end this thread - What is done is done. It has to be
remedied. I know this is off topic so I won't post this again. I just had to
voice my comments. I apologize Bob.

Regards,

Julian Huang
94 Mitsubishi Veilside Tein TEC GTO tt
Team 3S
Seattle, Washington
gtovr4@postalzone.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Oskar
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:53 PM
To: Trevor L. James; Veilside GTO; team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS clutch problems continue!!


I am of a different opinion, and think that anyone buying an RPS unit need
to think twice before proceeding.

Why - because while Rob Smith acknowledges that there is a problem, he is
not taking the correct measures to address it.  When I last spoke with RPS
(early this summer) I was being told by the sales staff (Gary) that
everything was ok.  Since I refused to believe this I eventually got to
speak with Rob.  He told me that they had recently discovered that the
pressure plates did not have the clamping force they advertised.  In fact,
early indications were that they had less clamping force than the stock
units.
Excerpt of phone conversation:
Me: What!!! - Gary just told me that everything was ok.
Rob: Well, we haven't told the sales staff yet.
Me: When did you find this out?
Rob: Oh, about two weeks ago.

Strike one - that is just not acceptable to me.  I want to be informed of
these kinds of things by the guy that takes my CC number.  Also, vendors
should be informed, and all stock returned to the manufacturer.  Actually,
why not inform your customers who recently bought from you?!

Back to the conversation with Rob: So, then I'm told to send the unit in and
they will "shim it up for me".

Strike two - sounds unscientific - I was just told there was currently no
way of correctly testing the clamping force of 3000GT pressure plates.  How
can you possibly shim it correctly?

Then I ask what the disc is made of, my original disk was all carbon.
Rob: Oh we now make them in a six puck style with alternating carbon and
ceramic pucks.
Me: Oh so it has been changed from what I initially ordered?
Rob: Yeah, we figured the ceramic would wear longer...
Me: Yeah, what are the results of your testing?
Rob: Well, we have shipped out quite a few of these
Me: What is the long term test results then?
Rob: Well, should be good...

Strike three - you're out.  I don't want to pay $500 to get the honor of
testing out your stuff

I think that RPS has been experimenting with the 3000GT clutches, and have
been using us as their test bed.  Personally I'm not interested in this, at
least not when I'm paying for it.  Anyone who buys an RPS clutch should be
aware of the fact that you may not get what you think you're getting.  When
you hear the claims of their fantastic clutches, ask how they have been
holding up in 3000GTs.  Ask for references of paying customers who are
running similar HP as you are.  The only reference I was given was Mike of
Altered Atmosphere.  Well that is cute, but he is a vendor of RPS products.
I called him anyway and it turns out he had barely got the unit in the car
at the time of our conversation.  Some reference!

It would be nice if people that were happy with their stage III RPS clutches
would speak up.  I asked this question on this mailing list last spring, and
the results were pitiful.  Based on my conversations with Rob, and the
absence of people who were happy with their RPS Stage III clutches I ended
up returning my unused clutch for a full refund.  RPS also paid for the
return postage - very nice!

People running moderate HP, as I am,  have been happy with stock clutches,
and ACTs.  I'll be getting myself one of these instead.

BTW - I referenced the stage III unit thruout this e-mail because the
problems I have heard of are all related to the Stage III clutch.  Maybe the
others are ok?

Oskar
'95 R/T TT


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Trevor L. James" <trevor@kscable.com>

> I don't think that's fair. Supposedly they've changed the clutch
composition
> since everyone was having problems. I have an RPS stage II that I bought
around
> the 20th of April & works great with about 420lbft or torque. No slipping
during
> launches or chattering around town. I've done quite a few 3.9X second
0-60's
> with it according to my G-tech. Even spun all 4 tires once for 30' just to
test
> it out. (Don't try that at home kiddies) If you purchased that clutch
within the
> last few months I wouldn't worry...
>



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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:26:49 -0700
From: "Connelly, Jay" <jay.connelly@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: help - EVC problem

Hey there -

For some reason, my Apex EVC  seems to be having problems.  Last Friday, I
got passed by a Jaguar Xk8:-(.  During the run, I noticed that my boost
never went above 0.012Bar according to the EVC (about 7PSI on the stock
gauge).  On the vacuum side, it never went below -073.  When operating
properly, I was getting 1.1Bar on the positive side and -373 or so on the
vacuum.  When I got home and licked my wounds, I checked all the hoses and
they seemed fine.  I disconnected the COM port and it ran fine.  Boost was
all there (+!4PSI on the stock gauges, probably 1.2Bar or so by the seat of
my pants).

After reconnecting the COM port, still nothing over 0.012Bar.  I took the 4
screws off the controller and everything looked fine.  After reconnecting,
now the I have even stranger problems.  The controller never moves from
.004Bar (up or down).  The stock gauge now goes to 14PSI over 4000RPM and it
feels better than when I lost to the Jag but nowhere near the 1.1Bar it
normally runs at.

Any thoughts?   Anyone ever had similar weirdness?

Thanks in Advance -
Jay Connelly
'93 VR4.  K&N, Hennessey FPR, EVC, Turbo downpipe, Hennessey exhaust, high
flow cat, ...



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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:36:02 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Differential type on VR-4?

Jeff,

   Thanks and I did use the manuals (thanks Vineet) to find the exploded
diagrams of the parts but that was only somewhat helpful.  I was looking at
a Subaru page which I admit has different setups for AWD then we do (I
think) but I was looking for more general terms to describe the things.
   Their page had a Ferguson type and a TORSEN (TORque SENsing) type and I
was wondering which one we had.  The Ferguson type was with viscous fluid
flowing around discs with holes in them.  The TORSEN was a worm gear with
splines on them and is engaged when power is applied to it and in braking
(the Ferguson is only useful when power is applied and there is a slipping
involved).  However, the description of the TORSEN type has a Hypoid gear in
it and the Ferguson does not.  Upon examining the description of gear ratios
and things in the differential I see it is described as a Hypoid gear.  Now
I don't know what it is since it appears to have some Ferguson design and
some TORSEN design.
   I sent the link to this page if anyone read it as that was my initial
question.  After looking at our manuals I saw the exploded views of the
transfer case, differential, rear axle, etc. but I couldn't tell what type
it was or if it were a different one completely.  I saw the discs and no
worm gear so I assume it is more like the Ferguson type on the Subaru page.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com

1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lucius [mailto:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 4:35 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Differential type on VR-4?

Darren,

The service manuals pretty much explain and diagram our drive train
setup. The rear diff has a viscous coupling unit inside of it to give
it limited slip capability. The center diff (inside the transaxle) is
also a viscous coupling setup. Its output shaft is geared to the
front diff and also goes to the transfer case. The front diff (also
inside the transaxle) is an open type. The center diff/VC unit is
responsible for the torque split in our AWD cars. For details on gear
reduction ratios please check out the page below at my web site.

http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/2-gears.htm

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
  --> http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
To: "Team3S (E-mail)" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 12:33 PM
Subject: Team3S: Differential type on VR-4?

What type of differentials are on the VR-4?  I see a Subaru site
(http://www.imprezawrx.org/) which gives some great details but I
want to learn more.  This page,
http://www.imprezawrx.org/tech/tech2.html, has some good data but I
don't know what type we have or if it is another breed completely
different.

- --Flash!


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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:47:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Correct way to have our cars towed

After reading Julian Huang's recent post about front end damage from
towing I thought I might relate my 2 towing experiences this summer
for my Stealth TT - both were flat bed tows.

The wrong way: The operator loaded my car onto the flat bed front-end
first. The chains/cables inevitably tear the air dam below the
bumper. "Fortunately" mine was already torn when I bought the car -
now I know why. A black cable tie repaired the damage.

The correct way: The operator loaded my car onto the flat bed
rear-end first and used blocks of wood as neccessary under the wheels
to keep the front end elevated to keep the aero parts from scraping.
The chains/cables do no damage to the rear when using the tow hooks.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:07:05 -0500
From: "Walton C. Gibson" <kalla@tripoint.org>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Correct way to have our cars towed

> The chains/cables do no damage to the rear when using the tow hooks.

This is an aside, since tow hooks reminded me of this. When I
installed my borla, the resonator on the driver's side rested right
against the adjacent tow hook. I used the hangers, so this was the
"default" hanging position. The resonator rattled like crazy against
the hook when I drove it, so I took the hook off it. Rattle gone.
Anyone else have this problem? Know anything I could stick
between them so as to make the rattle go away?

Walton C. Gibson
kalla@tripoint.org

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:19:18 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Correct way to have our cars towed

> This is an aside, since tow hooks reminded me of
> this. When I installed my borla, the resonator on
> the driver's side rested right against the
> adjacent tow hook.

You can loosen the clamp that holds the resonator onto the pipe and rotate
the resonator a little bit to gain clearance away from the tow hook.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:25:15 -0500
From: "Walton C. Gibson" <kalla@tripoint.org>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Correct way to have our cars towed

> You can loosen the clamp that holds the resonator onto the pipe and
> rotate the resonator a little bit to gain clearance away from the tow
> hook.

I'll give that a shot, thanks.

Walton C. Gibson
kalla@tripoint.org


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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:10:34 -0400
From: Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com
Subject: Team3S: Check Engine Light

Sorry if this has been covered before. The "Check Engine" Warning Light
came on while I was driving my '92 VR4 to lunch today. According to the
owner's manual, this indicates a problem with the exhaust gas emissions.
Does this mean that my O2 sensor is bad, or is there something else I
should look for? Is this something to be concerned about? I haven't done
anything to the car recently and it has been running fine. This light has
never come on before, except for a few seconds during the initial startup.

Jeff.
'92 VR4
Belleville, MI


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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:31:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: CAPS program

Hi Ken,

1. Run the program.
2. Double-click in "model" and select 13 (53H Z10# 3000GT). You
select by clicking on the 13 line and then on "OK"
3. A new window pops up with our 3 models; select one. 1 (Z11A), 2
(Z15A), or 3 (Z16A, my favorite)
4. Double-click in "Classification" and select the model.
5. Now double-click in the box to the right of "illustration" and
find your part.

That's all there is to it.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Stanton" <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
To: "Team3S Stealth" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:44 PM
Subject: Team3S: CAPS program


Hey all

I downloaded the CAPS program today - that's real nice =)
Does anyone have a better writeup on how to select the correct
vehicle? I read the readme file and stuff and couldn't figure out how
to pick the right car.  I also want to use this program for
compatibilty investigations, as well as regular replacements.

Thanks so much,
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:34:11 -0700
From: "Bart Kurek" <bart_kurek@eli.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: CAPS program

Silly question.What is this CAPS software and what does it do? Thanks.

- -Bart Kurek
Sales Engineer
Electric Lightwave Inc. (ELIX)
http://www.eli.net
mailto:bart.kurek@eli.net


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: CAPS program


> Hi Ken,
>
> 1. Run the program.
> 2. Double-click in "model" and select 13 (53H Z10# 3000GT). You
> select by clicking on the 13 line and then on "OK"
> 3. A new window pops up with our 3 models; select one. 1 (Z11A), 2
> (Z15A), or 3 (Z16A, my favorite)
> 4. Double-click in "Classification" and select the model.
> 5. Now double-click in the box to the right of "illustration" and
> find your part.
>
> That's all there is to it.
>
> Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
>   --> http://www.stealth316.com/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Stanton" <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
> To: "Team3S Stealth" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:44 PM
> Subject: Team3S: CAPS program
>
>
> Hey all
>
> I downloaded the CAPS program today - that's real nice =)
> Does anyone have a better writeup on how to select the correct
> vehicle? I read the readme file and stuff and couldn't figure out how
> to pick the right car.  I also want to use this program for
> compatibilty investigations, as well as regular replacements.
>
> Thanks so much,
> Ken Stanton
> '91 Pearl White RT/TT
> Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:38:50 +0200
From: Jim Matthews <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: help - EVC problem

I recently encountered some strange behavior from my 1st gen. AVC-R as well.  I
was driving up switchbacks in the Alps, downshifted to first after a really
tight hairpin and nailed it, the car pulled like hell, I shifted to second, and
boost maxed out at only .4 bar or so (around 7 psi on stock gauge, growing
slowly to near 14 at high RPMs).  No matter what I did, I could not build boost
(setting A at .95 @ 56% BADC).  I switched to my B setting (1.00 bar @ 64% BADC)
and it made no difference.  I turned off the controller and again, no
difference.  I noticed that the unit was hot to the touch and decided to shut it
down for an hour or so.  A quick look under the hood exposed nothing suspect.
When I returned from lunch, everything was back to normal!

The same thing happened later that day under similar circumstances: I hammered
2nd gear rolling through a changing traffic light, it boosted rapidly, then it
shut itself down again.  Not sure what the problem was.  It could have been that
it radically overshot my max boost setting (doubtful, since my BADC is pretty
conservative), it could have been heat (unit is mounted in the armrest console
sandwiched between the wall and a turbo timer) or it could be related to my dead
battery (since replaced with an Optima Red Top).  At any rate, this problem has
yet to reoccur.

The other oddity was drastic changes in BADC requirements.  Normally, 56% BADC
will achieve .95 bar no problem, but a few times I had to bump it up to the high
60% range.  I blamed it on the weather at the time (perhaps humidity and
temperature were factors), but perhaps something more sinister was going on.  Or
maybe it was all related to the dead battery - as with the above, I have not
experienced this since installing the Optima.

Good luck... -Jim

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Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R v.1 (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Super Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Optima Red Top 830 Battery
Redline synth fluids (trans= MT-90, xfer & diff= SPH)
Porterfield cryo-treated rotors, RS4 pads, braided lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque



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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:48:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: CAPS program

Mitsubishi Computerized Automatic Parts Searching (CAPS) system. It
is what the dealers use to find part numbers for the parts you want.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Kurek" <bart_kurek@eli.net>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: CAPS program

Silly question.What is this CAPS software and what does it do?
Thanks.

- -Bart Kurek
Sales Engineer
Electric Lightwave Inc. (ELIX)
http://www.eli.net
mailto:bart.kurek@eli.net


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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:30:56 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Check Engine Light

> Sorry if this has been covered before. The "Check Engine"
> Warning Light came on while I was driving my '92 VR4 to
> lunch today.  According to the owner's manual, this
> indicates a problem with the exhaust gas emissions.
> Does this mean that my O2 sensor is bad, or is there
> something else I should look for? Is this something to
> be concerned about? I haven't done anything to the car
> recently and it has been running fine.

Disconnect the negative cable from the battery for a couple minutes to clear
whatever trouble code is in the ECU and then see if the light comes back on
again.  If it doesn't, figure that something got whacky for a bit and is
okay now.  If it comes back, you can rig up a resistor and LED on a wire to
get the codes flashed to you via the diagnostic port or take it to the
dealer and they can read the error code for you.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:35:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Correct way to have our cars towed

I had a similar problem with the ATR muffler and the driver's-side
tow hook. I removed the tow hook and the rattle was gone. The rattle
was due to my install, not ATR's design. The tow truck operator used
something near the rear axles instead of the hooks. I don't remember
what but it didn't hurt anything.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Walton C. Gibson" <kalla@tripoint.org>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Correct way to have our cars towed

> The chains/cables do no damage to the rear when using the tow
hooks.

This is an aside, since tow hooks reminded me of this. When I
installed my borla, the resonator on the driver's side rested right
against the adjacent tow hook. I used the hangers, so this was the
"default" hanging position. The resonator rattled like crazy against
the hook when I drove it, so I took the hook off it. Rattle gone.
Anyone else have this problem? Know anything I could stick
between them so as to make the rattle go away?

Walton C. Gibson
kalla@tripoint.org


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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:46:27 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: MD Auto trannys...

Hello everyone =)

Does anyone else have a tranny from MD Auto?  I have a 'reman' 5-speed
in mine and I believe it needs to go back for a warranty claim.  I've
called them several times to get printed info on their warranty (to
cover _my_ behind) and to no avail!
Anyone else have any experience with them?

Thanks so much!
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT
Organizer - 3SI Rochester


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Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 04:49:58 -0500
From: "Vineet Singh \(3S\)" <stealthtt@ecanfix.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Manual Controller woes

Can someone explain to me why a EBC is better than a manual boost
controller, that controls boost using a ball and spring design?
www.dejontool.com even has affordable dual and triple setting MANUAL
boost controllers for quite a bit less than an EBC.

The only reason I would get an EBC is for ease of settability (in
cockpit)... but once a ball spring controller is set, it stays rock
solid... at least for me, my friends, and even an 11 second car in the
area (not to mention Eric Plebani's 9 second car).

Personally, I could spend 300$ on better things than an EBC. I don't
even have my boost guage in full view at all times (it's in the glove
compartment. Any major increase or decrease in performance would be
felt by me immediately, so I just set and forget it.

Vineet Singh
http://at.dsm.org - "Never Lift To Shift!"
http://chi.dsm.org - "ChicagoDSM - Go Fast With Class!"
http://manualcd.dsm.org - DSM & 3/S Service manuals on CDROM


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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:58:39 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: MD Auto trannys...

I have a copy of their flyer.  It says "*Units guaranteed for 12 months,
unlimited miles at that time".  I can fax
you a copy if you like although the pictures in my copy are barely visible, the
text if fine though.

What symptoms are you experiencing?

> Does anyone else have a tranny from MD Auto?  I have a 'reman' 5-speed
> in mine and I believe it needs to go back for a warranty claim.  I've
> called them several times to get printed info on their warranty (to
> cover _my_ behind) and to no avail!
> Anyone else have any experience with them?


- --
Forget world peace -- visualize using your turn signal!

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:42:25 -0700
From: "Todd Schmalzried" <Q11981@email.mot.com>
Subject: Team3S: light weight wheels

Has anyone tried "Formula" wheels?
They are light weight, and a decent price. Quite often that means they
are too weak for our hefty cars.

Here is a link to them. If anyone has experience with them, good or bad,
please reply.
http://www.wholesalewheel.com/FORMULA.htm

Another question. Is 17x7 too narrow for our cars?

Thanks
- --
Todd Schmalzried                      q11981@email.mot.com
Motorola Network Field Engineering    Phone: (619) 933-1700
2121 Palomar Airport Road, Suite 301  Fax:   (760) 603-4920
Carlsbad, CA. 92009                   Pager: (888)
694-0222                    
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:20:12 -0700
From: "Steve Cooper" <scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Team3S: APEXi AVC-R Boost controller

Hi,

I have half installed the APEXi AVC-R boost controller, I have been told
that the green wire has to be connected to display the injecter duty cycle,
it will not work properly unless this wire is connected.
Who can tell me where to connect this wire to, do I just connect it to one
of the injector outputs or is there a special place for it.

Steve Cooper
http://www.nzgto.cjb.net
(Some dead links)


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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:12:45 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Rotor Update

I finally had to order a new set of Porterfield cryogenically treated stock
rotors.

After four weekend open tracking events, several autocrosses, four sets of
pads, and a couple hundred laps around the Marshalltown International
Speedway, I finally wore them down to where they can no longer be turned.
They are 0.100 in. below the "throwaway" spec, so we cleaned them up and
I'm keeping them as spares.

For all you doubting Thomases out there, the cryogenic treatment really
works to prevent warpage. I experienced pad temperatures of 1400 F on the
Porterfield R4 pads (they turned white at the edges, a sign of 1400 F
according to Porterfield), yet the total warpage of those rotors was 0.06
in. on one, and 0.04 in. on the other after all those events. Hardly worth
mentioning.  Maybe my cooling ducts and water injection helped.

The Pagid Blacks worked OK too. As I mentioned before, I got through an
entire weekend at Heartland Park without having to change pads, and when we
pulled them out today they had about 1/8 in. of pad left, enough for a
half-day more track time. I am trying Hawk Blues this time.

Thanks to Ken Middaugh, I got the 20% 3Si discount without question from
Porterfield.

I also ordered a set of residual pressure valves (2 psi check valves) for
the rears. We'll try to install those before next weekend (Oct 8-9) when I
run at Road America. If we get them in, I'll have a report afterward.

Attention Big Red caliper people:  We noticed that the upper outboard
pistons on both calipers were showing definite signs of seal damage. The
other three pistons on both calipers were fine. Anybody else experience
this? Is there a repair kit for the pistons? Kinda weird that it would be
the same piston on both calipers, and only after one set of pads.

Rich
94 VR4
Big Red Porsche 993 twin turbo calipers
Porterfield cyrogenically treated stock rotors
BFG stainless steel brake lines front and rear
Ford high performance brake fluid.
Kumho tires
Ground Control adjustable suspension
Stock motor

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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:06:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: light weight wheels

BOLK TE-37??!! These are knock-off wheels of the Volk
TE37...

I actually saw a set last weekend in a wheel shop..
had the brand "Formula" on the wheel.. didnt know they
tried to call it BOLK TE37!! thats kinda gay~ but it
actually looks pretty nice~ Saw a set that has
bent/angled spokes (dunno what offset).. looks pretty
good.. i don't like the straight/flat spokes look..

They're pretty light alright.. but i don't think they
are forged.. therefore, not strong enough.. the real
TE37's are forged wheels.. light and very strong!

besides, those sizes are not going to fit our TT's...
it will fit the NA's...

I would imagine it would actually look nice on the
NA's.. and the wheel strength shouldn't matter on the
NA's either.. i think..  =)

Good luck,
George
- --- Todd Schmalzried <Q11981@email.mot.com> wrote:
> Has anyone tried "Formula" wheels?
> They are light weight, and a decent price. Quite
> often that means they
> are too weak for our hefty cars.
>
> Here is a link to them. If anyone has experience
> with them, good or bad,
> please reply.
> http://www.wholesalewheel.com/FORMULA.htm
>
> Another question. Is 17x7 too narrow for our cars?
>
> Thanks
> --
> Todd Schmalzried                    
> q11981@email.mot.com
> Motorola Network Field Engineering    Phone: (619)
> 933-1700
> 2121 Palomar Airport Road, Suite 301  Fax:   (760)
> 603-4920
> Carlsbad, CA. 92009                   Pager: (888)
> 694-0222                    
> -You "put your 2 cents in" but only get "a penny for
> your thoughts"
> -Who gets the change? Think about it.  O-
>
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