team3s           Tuesday, September 19 2000           Volume 01 : Number 270

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:21:13 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RE: under/over steer

At 08:48 PM 9/18/00 -0700, Barry E. King wrote:
>Almost without fail, a loose car is a fast car. It is also very, very
>difficult to drive without losing it. When set up very loose f'rinstance, a
>roundy-round car will almost float around corners. I have done this on
>asphalt before and it was freakishly skittish. Dirt is a similar deal.

I agree. I usta drive rally cars like that. Pro Rally cars rarely point
straight ahead, yet they go like hell. Even the AWD cars are sideways most
of the time. I find it much easier to drive a car like that, because you
can steer it with the gas, brakes and steering wheel all at the same time.
If you get into a corner too hot, you just let it slew around a little more
to scrub off speed. Would that we could do that on pavement with our VR4s.
>
>With the second last round of mods my '94 VR4 could be made tail-happy with
>power-induced excessive wheel-spin in the lower gears.

Yeah, I can do that too -- especially in 2nd gear under hard acceleration.
Like you said, that's power oversteer. That's not quite the same as getting
it tail happy in a 100 mph sweeper whilst flat in 3rd gear. I've never been
able to do that. Well, let me modify that to say I never TRIED to get the
tail out at those kinda speeds. I think I've slid (slud?) the car twice at
high rates of speed with the help of a little gravel on the track and it
was downright exciting. But I get the feeling that tail-out is not the fast
way through with our cars. Our sweet spot seems to be somewhere between
neutral and understeer. We need more cars on the track at the same time,
so we can compare notes. I have NEVER run with another VR4 at the same track.

I think I am going to buy a Eagle Talon AWD tomorrow, if it looks OK on the
lift. Then, maybe it'll be back to pro rallying for me in the wintertime. I
miss driving sideways at 80 mph through the woods. Besides, I gotta have
something to do between November and April.

Rich/old poop

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:29:10 -0700
From: Richard <radanc@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Passing emissions

What about the Arc-2GP setup? Anyone had any admissions problems.
Particularly in CA?

Rich
92 Stealth TT

Jeffrey Young wrote:
>
> Michael;
>
> Precats are not necessary for emissions test if you make sure that the car
> is warmed up...The precats are only needed to control emissions during the
> time before the main cat heats up and is operational. I have passed all of
> CO's emissions tests with gutted precats without adding anything to the fuel
> system. If you have larger injectors, you need to put the 360's back
> on...if you have a VPC....set everything to the 12:00 position (and replace
> the 360 chip is the larger injector chip has been installed)....you should
> then pass without any troubles.
>
> Jeffrey
> 92 RT/Turbo
> www.omega-sw.com/stealth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Dorsey
> To: 'Team3S'
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 8:46 AM
> Subject: Team3S: Passing emissions
>
> It's time to pass emissions. My pre-cats are gutted, so I'll just be
> putting the main cat back on. I understand that if you add alcohol to the
> fuel, that it will cause it to burn hotter and therefor better emissions.
>
> 1. What kind of alcohol and where can I find it?
> 2. How much?
> 3. What other effects will it have?
> 4. Should I turn down the boost while using the alcohol?
> 5. Should I even bother with it?
>
> It's going to be GA emissions.
>
> Michael
> 98 VR4
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:21:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Rear rotor vs. year

Hello Team,

Can someone tell me if a '94+ TT rear rotor will fit a
'92 TT with '92 TT rear caliper?

Was going to buy a set of rear '94+ calipers too, but
the deal didnt go thru.. now im stuck with a set of
'94+ rotors...

Thanks,
George

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:12:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Christian <jczoom_619@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear rotor vs. year

Hi George,

Sorry, no the '94 is larger dia so the '92 caliper
won't be 'long' enough and the '92 dust shield is too
small for the '94+. The hoses will probably be okay.

I still use the stock rear rotors. Do you live near
PGH?

Be of good cheer,
John

- --- George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Team,
>
> Can someone tell me if a '94+ TT rear rotor will fit
> a
> '92 TT with '92 TT rear caliper?
>
> Was going to buy a set of rear '94+ calipers too,
> but
> the deal didnt go thru.. now im stuck with a set of
> '94+ rotors...
>
> Thanks,
> George
>
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'93 TT with Porsche brakes and Supra TT rotors
12.4@109MPH 5/97 almost stock
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:22:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: [none]

I have improved pre-cats, ARC2-GP, and ND 550s, but have not had to
go through the CO emissions test yet. I plan to keep this setup (that
is not revert back to stock injectors and MAS) and see what happens.
I'll let you know next summer. Except for the blatant replacement of
the MAS, which I doubt anybody will recognize, I don't see why I
can't adjust the A/F to be lean enough to be passable.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard" <radanc@home.com>
To: "Jeffrey Young" <jeffrey@omega-sw.com>
Cc: "'Team3S'" <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Passing emissions

What about the Arc-2GP setup? Anyone had any admissions problems.
Particularly in CA?

Rich
92 Stealth TT

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:01:11 -0400
From: "Heikki Pikkujamsa" <hpikkujamsa@compuserve.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Passing emissions

I have gutted pre-cats and stock cat, VPC/GCC with HKS Purple 550's. I had
no problems with emissions. I did not drive the car like maniac before the
test to get the cat super hot or anything. As a matter of fact, my emission
values were almost identical to stock setup. I can look up the numbers if
anybody wants.

Heikki
'92 R/T TT

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:43:01 -0400
From: "Heikki Pikkujamsa" <hpikkujamsa@compuserve.com>
Subject: Team3S: FW: Re: Passing emissions

One more thing. I did not remove the 550cc chip before the test. All my
emission testing are done in GA.

Heikki

- -----Original Message-----
From: Heikki Pikkujamsa [mailto:hpikkujamsa@compuserve.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:01 AM
To: 3S Team (E-mail)
Subject: Re: Passing emissions

I have gutted pre-cats and stock cat, VPC/GCC with HKS Purple 550's. I had
no problems with emissions. I did not drive the car like maniac before the
test to get the cat super hot or anything. As a matter of fact, my emission
values were almost identical to stock setup. I can look up the numbers if
anybody wants.

Heikki
'92 R/T TT

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:55:43 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: passing emmisions

I live in California and would assume the problem would be the lack of
CARB certification on the ARC2 [ If they notice it ]. Being all wheel drive
they don't put it on the dyno, but instead use the old tail pipe sniffer.
As Jeff said ---- I'm sure you could get it to pass if they don't recognize
the MAS.
Let us know the results as others of us will have the same problem.

        Jim Berry
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
To: <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 6:22 AM

> I have improved pre-cats, ARC2-GP, and ND 550s, but have not had to
> go through the CO emissions test yet. I plan to keep this setup (that
> is not revert back to stock injectors and MAS) and see what happens.
> I'll let you know next summer. Except for the blatant replacement of
> the MAS, which I doubt anybody will recognize, I don't see why I
> can't adjust the A/F to be lean enough to be passable.
>
> Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
>   --> http://www.stealth316.com/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard" <radanc@home.com>
> To: "Jeffrey Young" <jeffrey@omega-sw.com>
> Cc: "'Team3S'" <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Passing emissions
>
>
> What about the Arc-2GP setup? Anyone had any admissions problems.
> Particularly in CA?
>
> Rich
> 92 Stealth TT
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:23:43 -0700
From: "Bart Kurek" <bart_kurek@eli.net>
Subject: Team3S: steering '97 3kgt sl

The steering on my baby feels very loose. Especially over uneven roads. Also
at times it just likes to pull left or right while at highway speeds. AND
the torque steer is pissing me off. If I gun it I have to hold on for dear
life. Is this normal?

- -Bart Kurek
Sales Engineer
Electric Lightwave Inc. (ELIX)
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:07:13 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Ball Joint replacement

Hello all,

Thanks for all the help in the past... now..
I have been told that both front ball joints are bad. Mitsu wants
$200/each including the control arm, but my tech said they might be
available as 'press-ins.' I'm not a chassis guy, so I don't know what
that means, but can I get them? Are there better ones available?
Please help!
Thank you so much!
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT
K&N, Snake Eyes, plates 007 KEN
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:45:39 -0700
From: "Bart Kurek" <bart_kurek@eli.net>
Subject: Team3S: fog lamp question

I just want to confirm that the bulb in the stock fog lights on a '97 3kgt
are H3? Thank you.

- -Bart Kurek
Sales Engineer
Electric Lightwave Inc. (ELIX)
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:21:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: stealth_es@webtv.net (Jason)
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ball Joint replacement

Hello Ken,
        $200 is not a bad price, my local dealership wanted $425 per
side for my 91 ES I ordered them both used off a wrecked car with 50,000
miles for $150 per side from a local junk yard! I tried to find some
where to press mine out and every place I went told me it wasn't
possible with our cars.

                                                 Jason J

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