team3s           Sunday, September 17 2000           Volume 01 : Number 268




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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:52:05 EDT
From: DOWNDRIVEN1@cs.com
Subject: Team3S: VR-4 for sale

It's a 1992 Red 3000GT VR-4 with 78,000 miles on it. 2 months ago I got a
APEXI-avcr installed and a k&N Fipk. In the last 7 months I have only put
1200 miles on it. It has never seen snow. It has a brand new transmission and
transfer case. Also a brand new ABS system install by dealer 3 months ago
which cost 2400.00 also had its 60,000 mile service + new timing belt. this
car is extra clean. Leather interior, digital climate control, CD/cass
player, active areo, pw,pl,ps, alarm.
                        Alex

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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:59:05 -0400
From: Ron Thompson <rtetetet@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Stock Air Box Removal  (was:  FIPK ?)

The plastic retainers that are molded into the air box for the bolts
were never intended to hold the thin bolt heads for removal. I packed
baking soda around the heads and then added super glue. This basically
made a solid fill around the bolt head and was able to keep them held
while you loosen the nuts. This is also helpful where something breaks
and you need to form a filet or gusset to repair it.

Ron

sjc0u812@juno.com wrote:
>
> Darren, Bart et al:
>
> As with anything, you will have much better luck if you plan ahead.  A
> couple days before you're going to remove the air box, hit those bolts
> with some Liquid Wrench.  Again the day before.  Then take your time
> trying to break them free on the day of removal.  I can't guarantee this
> will work, but it has for me.
>
> Best,
>
> Scott
>
> > Remember that step 10 (removing the bolts from the stock air filter
> > box)
> > takes about two hours with a Dremmel tool instead of two minutes.
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:25:37 -0700
From: "Nickolaos M. Sgouros" <atenag@coqui.net>
Subject: Team3S: differential 1st or 2nd gen??

Ken, Darren thank you for your response. "Unfortunately" my car is running
with 6 gear trany. (I bout it like this) but I had no clue that the 6 gear
trany is going with a different differential! IS THAT CONFIRMED? If so, then
we all 3 are looking for 2nd gen differential.  I thing then we have to look
to a Junkers. Any idea for someone within the net?

Nikolaos M. Sgouros
Poseidon "X" Inc



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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:58:25 +0100
From: "George Shaw" <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Off Topic But it made me smile.

Sound familiar to anyone here ?

Oil Changing Instructions

Women:
1.  Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 since the last oil
change.
2.  Drink a cup of coffee.
3.  15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained
vehicle.

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Men:
1.  Go to O'Reilly auto parts and write a check for 50 dollars for oil,
filter, oil lift (AKA kitty litter), hand cleaner and scented tree.
2.  Discover that the used oil container is full. Instead of taking back to
O'Reilly to recycle, dump in hole in back yard.
3.  Open a beer and drink it.
4.  Jack car up. Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands.
5.  Find jack stands under kid's pedal car.
6.  In frustration, open another beer and drink it.
7.  Place drain pan under engine.
8.  Look for 9/16 box end wrench.
9.  Give up and use crescent wrench.
10. Unscrew drain plug.
11. Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil; get hot oil on you in process.
12. Clean up.
13. Have another beer while oil is draining.
14. Look for oil filter wrench.
15. Give up; poke oil filter with Phillips screwdriver and twist it off.
16.  Beer.
17.  Buddy shows up; finish case with him. Finish oil change tomorrow.
18.  Next day, drag pan full of old oil out from underneath car.
19.  Throw oil lift (AKA kitty litter) on oil spilled during step 18.
20.  Beer. No, drank it all yesterday.
21.  Walk to 7-11; buy beer.
22.  Install new oil filter making sure to apply thin coat of clean oil to
gasket first.
23.  Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine.
24.  Remember drain plug from step 11.
25.  Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan.
26.  Hurry to replace drain plug before the whole quart of fresh oil drains
onto floor.
27.  Slip with wrench and bang knuckles on frame.
28.  Bang head on floor board in reaction.
29.  Begin cussing fit.
30.  Throw wrench.
31.  Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit Miss December(1992)
in the left boob.
32.  Clean up; apply Band-Aid to knuckle.
33.  Beer.
34.  Beer.
35.  Dump in additional 4 quarts of oil.
36.  Beer.
37.  Lower car from jack stands
38.  Accidentally crush one of the jack stands
39.  Move car back to apply more oil lift (AKA kitty litter) to fresh oil
spilled during step 23.
40.  Drive car



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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:17:00 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Off Topic But it made me smile.

>1.  Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 since the last oil
>change.
>2.  Drink a cup of coffee.
>3.  15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained
>vehicle.
>
The stories I've heard about Jiffy Lube would curl your hair.  I wouldn't
let them anywhere near any car I own.

I get my oil changed at the dealer because (a) two cars are under warranty
(b) it doesn't cost all that much more to have them do it and (c) I can
drink coffee, watch TV and eat a doughnut whilst they do it. At one dealer,
I can take my laptop, plug into the Internet and do some work. I haven't
changed my own oil in YEARS!  I do have to buy the Mobil 1 myself and take
it to the Mitsu dealer, though.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4 and 95 Aurora

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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:36:36 -0600
From: "Jeff Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Deferential needed!

I have several places listed on the Garage and Links pages of my web
site that will repair your diff, supply parts, or supply a rebuilt/new
diff. Kormex would be a good place to start.

Jeff Lucius
  ---> http://www.stealth316.com

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Nickolaos M. Sgouros" <atenag@coqui.net>
To: "Team3s" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 2:36 PM
Subject: Team3S: Deferential needed!


> Dear friends I need a used deferential for my  91 stealth RT TT. If
someone
> knows a source please e mail me directly at atenag@coqui.net
>
> Appreciative
>
> Nikos the Greek
> 92' RT TT
> Puerto Rico
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 08:40:40 EDT
From: DOWNDRIVEN1@cs.com
Subject: Team3S: RE:VR-4 For Sale

The reason that I am selling this car is because I want to buy a 3000GT VR-4
SPIDER. My VR-4 that im selling is in Excellent condition, And would like to
see $13,000 for my baby.
                                            Alex

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:15:48 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: PCV Catch Can et al

> It's been a very exciting summer for me, spending way-hey too much money
> on the car, but I feel I've also made serious progress getting it NEAR
> it's true potential.  Gotta love these cars.

You speak about the hole in the pocket right ??

> Here's my questions:
>
> 1.) Why a closed one?  I thought part of this idea was to get the oil
> vapor out of the intake also, no?

The little but existing vacuum helps the crankcase ventilation system. When
having a catch-can with a breather, the system is not closed anymore and the
some air is sucked in from the vapor line. This should be prevented o nour
engine although it is not really critical. A breather is simply said
unecessary. If there is high pressure in the crankcase and oil is pushed
through the catch can catches it pretty good. A breather would become
clogged up pretty quick and then releases oiled air to the intake. The same
with a filter inline. A simple catch can is the best solution.

> 2.) Yes, the unit is plastic, and way too big.  I plan to actually modify
> the unit by cutting out and removing 2/3 of the huge bottle.  But, seeing
> as how half of the components under the hood are plastic

This is true but the catch can is made for water. Summit or Jegs do have the
same tanks and in their catalogs several different ones can be found. The
cheap one with the preather on top is too soft plastic for my feeling and
yes, it's too big. There is a much smaller aluminum one available but it's
price is way too high. I got mine from a carting shop as the 2-stroke
engines have to use a catch can for the oil. It's chrome steel and has four
nipples. It can be cut by half the sizte as this should be enough for us.

> 3.) Won't the pressure inside the crankcase also push open the PCV valve?
>  If I understand the workings, the pressure from the intake can pull open
> the PCV valve.  But, it also appears, as with your fill tube problem, it
> can work the other way?

The valve only prevents that any air can go back into the system from the in
take. The little vaccum infront the PCV valve only supports the opening,
nothing else.

Good luck and do any pics if you install the stuff :>)

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:49:22 +0100
From: "George Shaw" <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: MoTec M48 yea-or-nay

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Has anyone ever had experience with the MoTec M48 ECU. It looks very
comprehensive and featured. They say they can supply it for the 3KGT TT
(VR4) no problem. I have PDF's of the docs if anyone is interested.



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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:50:57 -0400
From: Joe Gonsowski <twinturbo@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: PCV Catch Can et al

This has recently been discussed in detail on the 3SI discussion board:
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=10672
A review of this thread should be helpful, more discussion below.


> > 1.) Why a closed one?  I thought part of this idea was to get the oil
> > vapor out of the intake also, no?
>
> The little but existing vacuum helps the crankcase ventilation system. When
> having a catch-can with a breather, the system is not closed anymore and the
> some air is sucked in from the vapor line. This should be prevented o nour
> engine although it is not really critical. A breather is simply said
> unecessary. If there is high pressure in the crankcase and oil is pushed
> through the catch can catches it pretty good. A breather would become
> clogged up pretty quick and then releases oiled air to the intake. The same
> with a filter inline. A simple catch can is the best solution.

If you use only a catch can on the breather line and don't add a filter element,
you will draw unfiltered air and dirt into the crankcase during normal PCV
operation.  A good catch can should collect most of the oil during pushover and
leave the filter relatively clean.  I would not recommend leaving the breather
line unfiltered.

A catch can can also be used on the PCV line.  Here, you are attempting to
reduce the amount of oil entering the intake manifold and combustion chamber but
most try to place a catch can on the breather line (to reduce or eliminate oil
entering the entire intake tract including our intercoolers resulting in
decreased efficiency).

> > 2.) Yes, the unit is plastic, and way too big.  I plan to actually modify
> > the unit by cutting out and removing 2/3 of the huge bottle.  But, seeing
> > as how half of the components under the hood are plastic
>
> This is true but the catch can is made for water. Summit or Jegs do have the
> same tanks and in their catalogs several different ones can be found. The
> cheap one with the preather on top is too soft plastic for my feeling and
> yes, it's too big. There is a much smaller aluminum one available but it's
> price is way too high. I got mine from a carting shop as the 2-stroke
> engines have to use a catch can for the oil. It's chrome steel and has four
> nipples. It can be cut by half the sizte as this should be enough for us.

A plastic catch can is not a good idea unless it can stand up to hot nasty oil
(nasty since it is slightly acidic with combustion by products).  Oil can reach
temps of 300F while coolant 240F.  I'd go with an aluminum catch can.  The
larger the volume, the more effective it will be in separating oil from the air
flow.  But you get diminishing returns as you go larger, in other words,
doubling volume from one pint to a quart will not make the system twice as
effective.  You may go from 75% to 90% efficient (these are guesses).  Because
your catch can will not be 100% effective in separating oil from the air stream,
you will want to purchase a suitably large filter element that won't get clogged
right away and realize you may need to periodically clean or replace it.  But
again, I wouldn't recommend eliminating the filter.

Joe Gonsowski
'92 R/T TT
http://people.mw.mediaone.net/twinturbo/homepage.htm


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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: MoTec M48 yea-or-nay

If you have the experience, time, and will..its a BIG yea.

Without sufficient quantities of all of the above (and then some), nay.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, George Shaw wrote:

>
>
> eMail:                 george.shaw@btinternet.com
> Fax/Voice Mail:  +44 (0) 87 0133 6126
> Mobile:               +44 (0) 78 1162 5179
> Home:                 +44 (0) 28 9062 8924
> ICQ#:                          1741675
>
> Has anyone ever had experience with the MoTec M48 ECU. It looks very
> comprehensive and featured. They say they can supply it for the 3KGT TT
> (VR4) no problem. I have PDF's of the docs if anyone is interested.
>
>
>
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