team3s           Tuesday, September 12 2000           Volume 01 : Number 264




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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:18:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Off topic: Diffence - Moonroof/sunroof

Sunroofs pop OUT of a car, moonroofs retract into the headliner space.

On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Ken Stanton wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Can anyone _surely_ settle a debate - what is the difference between a
> sunroof and a moonroof?
>
> Thanks!
> Ken Stanton
> '91 Pearl White RT/TT
> K&N, Snake Eyes, plates 007 KEN
> Organizer - 3SI Rochester
>
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:25:51 -0700
From: Richard <radanc@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Kormex

They are up the road from me in Ontario, CA 1 800 429-5464. By the way
they have a website you can just pull it from.

Rich
92 Stealth TT

"Basol, John" wrote:
>
> Anyone still have the phone # for Kormex (sp?) ?  I promised it to someone
> and have now lost it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Basol
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:02:26 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Manifold pressure readings?

Hello all

Can anyone recall how manifold pressure should look on a pressure/vacuum
gauge?  I tested mine at two places and got different answers - does
this seem to tell any of you that I have found a leak?  Please send your
thoughts!

Pressure taken at fuel pressure regulator:
    Idle: 18-19 in vacuum steady
    WOT: Maximum above 10psi

Pressure taken at waste gate actuator control solenoid:
    Idle: don't remember
    WOT: Maximum 5/6psi

I have been hearing (what I thought was an abnormal) hiss coming from my
car under boost.
Also, my car is running very very rich (10-14 mpg / exhaust popping)

Thank you so much!
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT
K&N, Snake Eyes, plates 007 KEN
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)



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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:35:35 -0500
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Off topic: Diffence - Moonroof/sunroof

Looking thru a few brochures from different car manufacturers, it becomes
clear that these terms are used at will.  The 2000 Toyota Avalon XLS comes
with a moonroof, while the 2000 Volvo S-80 has a sunroof.  Both are power
operated, sliding glass roofs that retract into the headliner

To me a moonroof must be made out of glass, but there are probably some
manufacturers out there calling their sliding tin roofs moonroof.

Oskar
'95 R/T TT w. removable sunroof

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
To: "Ken Stanton" <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Team3S Stealth" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Off topic: Diffence - Moonroof/sunroof


> Sunroofs pop OUT of a car, moonroofs retract into the headliner space.
>
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Ken Stanton wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Can anyone _surely_ settle a debate - what is the difference between a
> > sunroof and a moonroof?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Ken Stanton
> > '91 Pearl White RT/TT
> > K&N, Snake Eyes, plates 007 KEN
> > Organizer - 3SI Rochester
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
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> |   strip it down, and shove as many $20 bills as possible  |
> |            within the cavity of the car itself.           |
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>
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:41:03 EDT
From: XCricKX@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Re: 3000GT/Stealth Gathering in San Diego

I'm interested!


let me know waz up

ben
323-356-9762
http://urlosing.tripod.com/doctordisturbed.htm

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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:02:18 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Manifold pressure readings?

> Pressure taken at fuel pressure regulator:
>    Idle: 18-19 in vacuum steady
>    WOT: Maximum above 10psi

You should see a pretty good "real" manifold pressure at this location, and
the vacuum readings you are getting sound normal.

> Pressure taken at waste gate actuator control solenoid:
>     Idle: don't remember
>     WOT: Maximum 5/6psi

This is normal.  The wastegate actuators open right around 6 psi and they
don't see "real" manifold pressure, otherwise you would be limited to 6 psi
of boost.  Boost controllers set boost pressure higher by allowing less
pressure to the wastegates, tricking the wastegate into thinking the car
hasn't hit its preset boost pressure.

> I have been hearing (what I thought was an abnormal) hiss
> coming from my car under boost.  Also, my car is running
> very very rich (10-14 mpg / exhaust popping)

Sounds like you are losing air somewhere on the pressurized side.  Take a
real close look at all the hose connections all the way from the turbo
output, to the intercoolers, to the Y-pipe, the Y-pipe itself all the way up
to the throttle body, the connection to the compressor bypass valve hanging
off the Y-pipe, and all the hoses coming off the intake manifold.  I'd
disconnect each of the hoses and take it off the car and give it a good
examination.  You've got a '91, so those hoses are over 9 years old now and
might be starting to have cracking problems so look carefully for anywhere
that air could escape.  Since your vacuum readings are good, I'd suspect
something before the air gets into the exhaust manifold.  A severe leak on
one of the lines coming off the manifold would probably get you some funky
vacuum readings, or at least less vacuum than you are seeing.

If you are still having trouble locating the leak, try a little water mixed
with dish soap on various portions of hose, go for a very quick shot of
boost down the street and pop the hood and look for bubbles.  I have no idea
if that'll actually work, but if you can't find the leak by disassembling
everything then its time to get creative!

Hope that helps...

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:24:40 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Off topic: Diffence - Moonroof/sunroof

Cars with a moonroof are only driven at night.
Cars with a sunroof are only driven by day.

.... this is why I have two cars ;-)

Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:01:05 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Off topic: Diffence - Moonroof/sunroof

I thought that the distinction was in the INSIDE covering of the glass.  Who
cares if it is manual or automatic.  Who cares if it is glass or plexiglass.

The difference is, I thought, anything with a sliding piece on the INSIDE of
the car was a moonroof.  This keeps the sun out during the day.  Anything
without this sliding piece on the inside (like my 95 VR-4 with headliner
carpet on the inside) is a sunroof.  These may be backwards but I think the
difference is if you can or can not block out the sun by sliding an inside
piece versus completely opening or closing the opening.

Mom's 1986 Acura Legend has (I seem to recall) a moonroof that tilts up,
slides into the roof, and has a sliding cover on the inside of the car that
reveals/covers the glass.  My 1996 Honda Accord did the same except it did
not tilt up.  My wife's 2000 VW New Beetle tilts, opens, and has a sliding
cover - the bonus is that this cover can be shut and the roof can be popped
up to allow the sun to be blocked but fresh air to be circulated.  Great
concept.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com>  - "Car pictures" then "Readers'
4" page

- -----Original Message-----
From: Oskar [mailto:swede@pclink.com]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:36 PM
To: Geoff Mohler; Ken Stanton
Cc: Team3S Stealth
Subject: Re: Team3S: Off topic: Diffence - Moonroof/sunroof

Looking thru a few brochures from different car manufacturers, it becomes
clear that these terms are used at will.  The 2000 Toyota Avalon XLS comes
with a moonroof, while the 2000 Volvo S-80 has a sunroof.  Both are power
operated, sliding glass roofs that retract into the headliner

To me a moonroof must be made out of glass, but there are probably some
manufacturers out there calling their sliding tin roofs moonroof.

Oskar
'95 R/T TT w. removable sunroof


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:23:53 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Off topic: Diffence - Moonroof/sunroof

Honda/Acura's defination of a moonroof, is the fact that you can see through
it, and a sunroof is solid.

Michael
98 VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Schilberg, Darren
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:01
To: 'Oskar'; Geoff Mohler; Ken Stanton
Cc: Team3S Stealth
Subject: RE: Team3S: Off topic: Diffence - Moonroof/sunroof


I thought that the distinction was in the INSIDE covering of the glass.  Who
cares if it is manual or automatic.  Who cares if it is glass or plexiglass.

The difference is, I thought, anything with a sliding piece on the INSIDE of
the car was a moonroof.  This keeps the sun out during the day.  Anything
without this sliding piece on the inside (like my 95 VR-4 with headliner
carpet on the inside) is a sunroof.  These may be backwards but I think the
difference is if you can or can not block out the sun by sliding an inside
piece versus completely opening or closing the opening.

Mom's 1986 Acura Legend has (I seem to recall) a moonroof that tilts up,
slides into the roof, and has a sliding cover on the inside of the car that
reveals/covers the glass.  My 1996 Honda Accord did the same except it did
not tilt up.  My wife's 2000 VW New Beetle tilts, opens, and has a sliding
cover - the bonus is that this cover can be shut and the roof can be popped
up to allow the sun to be blocked but fresh air to be circulated.  Great
concept.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com>  - "Car pictures" then "Readers'
4" page

- -----Original Message-----
From: Oskar [mailto:swede@pclink.com]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:36 PM
To: Geoff Mohler; Ken Stanton
Cc: Team3S Stealth
Subject: Re: Team3S: Off topic: Diffence - Moonroof/sunroof

Looking thru a few brochures from different car manufacturers, it becomes
clear that these terms are used at will.  The 2000 Toyota Avalon XLS comes
with a moonroof, while the 2000 Volvo S-80 has a sunroof.  Both are power
operated, sliding glass roofs that retract into the headliner

To me a moonroof must be made out of glass, but there are probably some
manufacturers out there calling their sliding tin roofs moonroof.

Oskar
'95 R/T TT w. removable sunroof


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:40:03 -0700
From: "noble" <nketo@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Team3S: Intake temperature probes

I've looked around everywhere for intake temperature sensors
and have been told upwards of $400 for them.
I think there are better deals.

Does anyone know where I can call in to buy *quality* intake 12V
temperature sensors at a reasonable price?
Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Noble



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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:41:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: stealth_es@webtv.net (Jason)
Subject: Team3S: For Sale Dodge Stealth

We'll everyone I rebuilt my ECU (Thanks again Steve C.) and found out
about a addition to my family so the car must go!( After all this work!)
If anyone is interested visit the address below for some pics. I will
consider trades. I live in Cadillac,MI please e-mail me for a run down
of new parts, or call (231)876-2528 Jason

                                             Thank You,
                                                             Jason
http://community.webtv.net/jason_4369/ForSaleDodgeStealth


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:47:28 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: Team3S: Infrared thermometer/pyrometer

Anyone have knowledge about infrared thermometer or pyrometers?  I have seen
most of them for between $100 - $350 as both a probe (contact type) and
non-contact type sensors.

I would like to use this for tire or brake/rotor temps after some short
AutoX courses (less than a minute) as well as some road courses (2-mile
courses).  If rotors can get up past 1200oF and 1400oF when ones with a high
upper limit is nice.  I just don't know what is out there.

- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK, Valentine One, and a G-Tech Pro
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com>  - "Car pictures" then "Readers'
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:00:32 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Intake temperature probes

>I've looked around everywhere for intake temperature sensors
>and have been told upwards of $400 for them.
>I think there are better deals.

Nono, even high temp exh. meters are way cheaper !

>Does anyone know where I can call in to buy *quality* intake 12V
>temperature sensors at a reasonable price?

You can simply buy a meter with a range of up to 100°C or less. The best
temperature is between 30°C and 40°C for the intake but when the car sits
around without cooling down it can be getting much hotter. Due to the very
high discharge temps of the small 9b intake temps can go up to 93°C. Of
course it depends where you want to mount the temp sensor and therefore
what type you will have to get. But the typical K-Thermocouples are not
expensive.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:40:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine stalling

Wow, trany replaced on a '98?

I have detailed instructions at my web site (Garage page) for trany
R&R. Maybe something there will point you in the right direction.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
  --> http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
To: "'Team3S'" <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 7:13 PM
Subject: Team3S: Engine stalling

I've got what I hope is a simple problem with the car stalling when
making a left turn.  It started happening just after the tranny was
replaced and I'm hoping it's just a loose connection.  Can anyone
point me in some areas to check?

Michael
98 VR4


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:12:22 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine stalling

This is the 4th replacement tranny.  I think I finally got a good one
though.  I'll check out your site.

Michael
98 VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Jeff Lucius
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:40
To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Engine stalling


Wow, trany replaced on a '98?

I have detailed instructions at my web site (Garage page) for trany
R&R. Maybe something there will point you in the right direction.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
  --> http://www.stealth316.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
To: "'Team3S'" <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 7:13 PM
Subject: Team3S: Engine stalling

I've got what I hope is a simple problem with the car stalling when
making a left turn.  It started happening just after the tranny was
replaced and I'm hoping it's just a loose connection.  Can anyone
point me in some areas to check?

Michael
98 VR4


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:20:10 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine stalling

> This is the 4th replacement tranny.  I think I finally got a good one
> though.  I'll check out your site.
>
> Michael
> 98 VR4

4th tranny in two years?  Do you think maybe you are being too hard on the
car, or is your dealer incompetent in replacing them?  What sorts of
failures have you had.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:37:27 -0400
From: "Michael Dorsey" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine stalling

I'll admit I am hard on the car, not generally abusive though.

1st tranny - 2nd gear synchro failed, just bought the car w/ 18K miles
2nd tranny - oil leak, possible misdiagnosis by dealer
3rd tranny - oil leak, definate bad seal
4th tranny - something loose in tranny.  while waiting for replacement, it
siezed.  dealer just replaced it, never opened it to see what happened

There have been other competence errors that have resulted in my favor.  1
transfer case misdiagnosed for a leak.  Also had another transfer case and
driveshaft replaced due to a bad wheel bearing...I even told them it was the
wheel bearing...but what do I know.


Michael
98 VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Jannusch, Matt
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:20
To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine stalling


> This is the 4th replacement tranny.  I think I finally got a good one
> though.  I'll check out your site.
>
> Michael
> 98 VR4

4th tranny in two years?  Do you think maybe you are being too hard on the
car, or is your dealer incompetent in replacing them?  What sorts of
failures have you had.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:31:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Infrared thermometer/pyrometer

You can get a good pyrometer (surface type) for about $125-$150.

www.racerwholesale.com

On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Schilberg, Darren wrote:

> Anyone have knowledge about infrared thermometer or pyrometers?  I have seen
> most of them for between $100 - $350 as both a probe (contact type) and
> non-contact type sensors.
>
> I would like to use this for tire or brake/rotor temps after some short
> AutoX courses (less than a minute) as well as some road courses (2-mile
> courses).  If rotors can get up past 1200oF and 1400oF when ones with a high
> upper limit is nice.  I just don't know what is out there.
>
> --Flash!
> dschilberg@freemarkets.com
>
> 3Si #577
> 1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK, Valentine One, and a G-Tech Pro
> http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
> http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com>  - "Car pictures" then "Readers'
> 4" page
>
>
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|   strip it down, and shove as many $20 bills as possible  |
|            within the cavity of the car itself.           |
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:00:12 -0600
From: "Jon Bach" <bach@rt66.com>
Subject: Fw: Team3S: Engine stalling

Ugh, that doesn't sound good. It could be a sign of crankwalk, but I could
 be wrong. It is a HUGE thing on the '95-'98 turbo DSM's, and my friend's
'91
 Isuzu Impulse RS Turbo has crankwalked too. From what I understand a couple
 of thrust bearings don't fill with oil right, and when you push the clutch
 in, it will move the crankshaft. Does it stall every time you make a left
 turn or just sometimes? Does it make a funny noise when you push the clutch
 in with the engine running? Back to the left turn, does the clutch almost
 not work when making the turn (not able to change gears, or not engaging
 correctly?) . I know that they are trying to set up a class action lawsuit
 for mitsubishi because they won't put a recall out on the DSM's because of
 the problem. Crankwalk will get so severe eventually where when you push in
 the clutch it'll just grenade the entire engine.

 Hopefully that's not it though... we're still in the process of an engine
 swap on my friend's '95 Eclipse GS-T because it happened to him.

 Jon Bach
 '91 Eagle Talon TSi AWD

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
> To: "'Team3S'" <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 7:13 PM
> Subject: Team3S: Engine stalling
>
>
> > I've got what I hope is a simple problem with the car stalling when
making
> a
> > left turn.  It started happening just after the tranny was replaced and
> I'm
> > hoping it's just a loose connection.  Can anyone point me in some areas
to
> > check?
> >
> > Michael
> > 98 VR4
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:19:55 -0700
From: "Browne, Troy E" <troy.e.browne@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Update: Was Need Help

Hey There everyone,

Just thought I'd update you on my Spyder. 
Well, three of the pistons cracked due to the lean condition induced by
yours truly,
thus explaining the zero compression on the #1,4,6 cylinders.  Good news was
that only
two valves were bent and the head is rebuildable. 

Soooo,  to take a cue from others on the list who have upgraded....

I have ordered: Ross GTPRO pistons at 80 over, total seal rings, Pauter
rods, clevite bearings,
new oil pump, water pump, timing belt, tensioner, and I'm having the
heads/intake/plenum ported
and polished.

Still don't know if the new 15G turbos are toast as they are just getting
the engine out now.
Lots of piston debris in every clyinder from pieces getting shoved back into
the intake and
distributed to all the ones which didn't break.  Joy

All total somewhere around 10k to rebuild, ouch...

Moral of this story...  Do NOT run your car lean under high boost,
(1.15bar).  It WILL die!!  After
I had leaned it out it burned up in less than 2 hours run time.  I stll need
to take some
pict's for my new wall of shame.

I know this is off topic but so many people responded to my previous posts
that I thought
you deserved to know.

Thanks again for all the suggestions
Troy
96 3000GT VR4 Spyder


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:41:01 GMT
From: "marc augellli" <marcsaugelli@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: BESY USED CAR WARRANY?

Hi,

     I was hoping someone can help me? My warranty for my 97 3000gt sl ends
in Oct and I was wondering who sells the best out of all the used cars
warranty?  my car only has 19,000.
Thanks,
Marc
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:19:06 EDT
From: Petrosvr4@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: BESY USED CAR WARRANY?

Warrantygold offers for the non-turbo 3000gt  5/150k
Give them a call 800-580-9889
petros

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:07:36 -0400
From: "Michael S. Steinebach" <mikala.s@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: BESY USED CAR WARRANY?

What about the turbo

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To: marcsaugelli@hotmail.com; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: BESY USED CAR WARRANY?


Warrantygold offers for the non-turbo 3000gt  5/150k
Give them a call 800-580-9889
petros

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:50:46 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Engine stalling

> Ugh, that doesn't sound good. It could be a sign of
> crankwalk, but I could be wrong. It is a HUGE thing
> on the '95-'98 turbo DSM's, and my friend's [.....]

Ugh, please don't drag the crankwalk stuff over from the Talon Digest to
here.  Seems like the answer to any question there these days is "Oh my god,
it is crankwalk!  Run for the hills!  Kill your car before it kills you!!!"
Okay, maybe that's a bit exaggerated, but it is the "answer" to far too many
technical questions there lately.

>> I've got what I hope is a simple problem with the
>> car stalling when making a left turn.  It started
>> happening just after the tranny was replaced and
>> I'm hoping it's just a loose connection.  Can
>> anyone point me in some areas to check?
>>
>> Michael
>> 98 VR4

Certainly folks can give you some pointers on what to check...

It sounds like an ignition problem, so I'd start with the connections to the
ignition packs.  I don't know if there's one connection that goes to all
three packs that could bring down the whole ignition system, but you can
poke around there and make sure everything is hooked up nice and tight.  All
three packs are located near the passenger side of the front valve cover and
have the plug wires attached to them.

You can also check the connections to the cam angle sensors and crankshaft
angle sensors.  If the crank signal disappears it'll kill the spark since
the ECU will no longer have any idea of when to fire injectors or the coils.
I think it'll still run without cam angle sensors though, although it fires
all the fuel injectors simultaneously instead in that failure mode.
Inspecting these is a little more complicated - you might want to peruse the
service manual for these or someone else can probably give tips on where to
look on your year VR4.

Sounds like the dealer probably didn't get something hooked up all the
way...  Easiest way to find it would be to use the scan tool to clear any
error codes, drive around with the scan tool hooked up and recreate the
problem.  It should* flag an error code on a problem that severe.

Does the Check Engine light come on when it stalls out?  If it does, there's
a high probability that it is storing a failure code which would be a good
hint to what's going on.

Since your car was recently in the shop for the tranny replacement they
should hopefully be willing to do the diagnostic for free to figure out
what's up.  I personally think they should fix the problem regardless since
they seem to have caused it by what I gather from your message, but their
opinion may vary.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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