team3s
Tuesday, August 29
2000 Volume 01
: Number
249
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Date:
Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:55:25 -0400
From:
Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.comSubject:
Team3S: re: Warranty?
I had similar problems with my extended warranty,
but in the long run, they
ended up covering almost $4,000 in repairs for
things like the "Active
Aero" system, anti-lock brake system, and one turbo.
I had to fight for it,
but they eventually paid. In the case of the fried
turbo, I had to remove
some of my mods and replace them with the original
equipment before they
sent out the inspector. As it turned out, after waiting
for a week, he
didn't even look at the car, he just looked at the repair
estimate and
signed the authorization! I also had problems, several times,
with the seat
belts not retracting, and they would NOT pay for that. But
Mitsubishi ended
up covering the new belts under the factory
warranty.
Jeff Williamson
Belleville, MI
'92 VR4
>From:
"Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
>Subject: Re:
Team3S: Warranty?
>The problem with aftermarket warranty companies is
their bad habit of
denying
>claims. The policy has a list of covered
items and if it isn't listed then
it isn't
>covered. For example most
policies exclude the SRS stuff [ air bags,
sensors,
>controllers, etc.
]. They will deny claims if your car is modified. They
have the
>right
to send an inspector to approve the work --- you could sit in
West
Elbowpit,
>Nevada for 5 days waiting for approval on the repair of
a blown engine.
Try to
>understand the fine print before
buying.
> Jim
Berry
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>>-
----- Original Message -----
>>From: Danny Erick <
ttstealth@hotmail.com>
>>To:
<
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>>
What do you guys think about aftermarket warranties from companies
like
>>
www.warrantybynet.com? Are they worth
the money? Is there a better
company?
>> My quote was like $1,800
for three years coverage. I know I'm going to
have
>> my car for at
least 4 more years and was just wondering if any one else
has
>> one
of these warranties or what anyone has heard about them. As always,
>>
THANKS GUYS
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:42:08
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <
Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Tensioner installation errors, etc.
Nice write-up
steve. Sorry about the dealer incompetence.
The boroscope will show
major piston and valve damage. Fortunately you didn't
see any.
The compression and leak down test will show whether the valves are
still
closing correctly. However even with the boroscope and compression
tests,
you can't guarantee that the valves didn't hit lightly. It may
be that light
contact was made that didn't leave a mark on the piston, nor
bend a valve, but
could shorten the life of other parts. I'm
speculating here, but it might be
possible for light contact to damage the
valve guides. Light contact could
cause undue force on the side of the
guide and manifest in more oil blow-by.
Maybe others can comment on the
possibiblilty of this happening. Hopefully no
contact occured at
all.
Just a comment on the torque. The T-belt tension on the turbo
cars is 7 ft-lbs
(my buddy just replaced his T-Belt and had to buy a torque
wrench that measured
in inch-pounds). Should be the same for your
non-turbo. 42 ft-lbs is probably
the spec for the bolt that holds the
tensioner in place.
> The timing belt tensioner on the DOHC Stealth
(and I assume the 3000 also)
> revolves around 2 axes of rotation, one at
the center around which it
> free-wheels while the engine runs and the
other eccentric around which it
> revolves when the proper tension is
applied to the timing belt. Once that
> tension is applied, the second
axis of rotation is "locked down", I
> believe by tightening a bolt. To do
this correctly requires a special
> "two-pin" tool that is used to hold
the eccentric rotation in the correct
> orientation while the tensioner is
installed, and then is removed so that
> the proper tension can be applied
by rotating the tensioner around the
> eccentric axis using a torque
wrench (I believe 42 ft-lbs of torque is the
> correct tension, but check
your manuals, my memory could be wrong). The
> dealer, of course, did not
have the special tool (but they do now) and
> neither mechanic that worked
on the car realized the importance of getting
> the eccentric rotation
correct. They both just reinstalled the tensioner
> as it came out of the
car when the belt was removed and I think used a
> lever bar to rotate the
entire tensioner assembly so the bolt holes would
> line up. The
result was a loose timing belt that resulted in slippage at
> some
point.
- --
Forget world peace -- visualize using your turn
signal!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San
Diego
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:44:17
-0600
From: "Kevin Fanciulli" <
StealthTwinTurbo@bigfoot.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Warranty?
A nice thread on warranties from
www.warrantybynet.com is currently
hosted
on the 3Si message board. Several owners of the warranty have
replied with
their input. Check it out at
http://www.3si.org/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=10397.
If
anyone else on this list has an extended warranty available for the
TT,
please post there with your input! The two main ones I've seen so
far is
the WarrantyByNet and Platinum.
Thanks,
- -kevin
fanciulli
'92 Stealth R/T Twin Turbo, 92k miles.
http://members.home.com/nebula93Si
#0375
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st[
mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of Danny Erick
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:35 PM
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: Warranty?
What do you guys think about aftermarket warranties
from companies like
www.warrantybynet.com? Are they worth
the money? Is there a better company?
My quote was like $1,800 for three
years coverage. I know I'm going to have
my car for at least 4 more years and
was just wondering if any one else has
one of these warranties or what anyone
has heard about them. As always,
THANKS GUYS!
Dan Erick
Firestorm
Red 92 Stealth R/T TT <--Getting that new ECU this week! =)
K&N
FIPK
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:47:25
-0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <
erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Tensioner installation errors, etc.
> The rear bank cylinder
on the passenger's side had considerable
> carbon buildup and the
sparkplug was wet when it was removed.
> Also, there was an area on one of
the valves where the carbon
> buildup had been broken away suggesting, I
guess, the possibility that
> that valve might have tapped the piston. The
main question in
> my mind was why so much carbon buildup in that
cylinder? I should also
> mention that all the spark plugs on the rear
bank had been running rich
Just to add some more data here, but when I
went through my
compression woes a few weeks back (REALLY high compression
due to carbon
build-up), I also had significantly more buildup in cylinder #6
(rear
passenger side) than the other cylinders after the first
cleaning. I don't
think the buildup was all that much thicker than the
other cylinders before
I first cleaned them because the compression values
were all pretty close.
Maybe it was more dense in that cylinder.
The only thing I could think of was that maybe it was a result of
the
small amounts of oil that get into the intake through the PCV valve.
My
reasoning (may not be correct, but anyway) was that the plenum runner
for
the intake on cylinder #6 is the first one after the throttle body and
that
the oil, being heavy would more frequently get sucked into the first
runner
rather than make it into the others. That was my motivation for
installing
a catch can on the PCV hose.
Oh, and BTW, anyone care to
explain what a leakdown test is? I can guess
from the context of this
thread, but I'm curious:)
- --Erik
-
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Erik
Gross
DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT (NA, DOHC,
5-speed) 72,000
mi
Firestone Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock
wheels
Magnacor KV85 spark plug wires, NGK plugs @
0.040"
K&N FIPK, Mobil 1 10W30 w/ OEM oil filter, Skippy PCV
CC
'94 Algae Blue "Ain't No 3000"
Corolla
68,000mi
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:14:31
-0600
From: Manoj Prasad <
mprasad@uswest.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: re: Warranty? My story
Here is my Story on my Tranny and
engine.
I will try to keep it short and factual.
My output shaft
went:
I took the car to a tranny shop. The
tranny shop did a tear down of the
tranny. The inspector came out and
took pictures. He sent the pictures back
to the warranty company
and the warranty company denied my claim. They said
it was rust that
caused the problem. I said this is a sealed system so how can
rust get
in there. They said that it must be the salt in the air that caused
the
rust. I told them I live in CO so there is no salt in the air. They
said
since you live in CO, it snows there, so it must be the salt they use on
the
road. I told them that CO does not use salt, they use gravel or
magnesium mix.
They still denied the claim.
I went to the dealer I
bought the warranty from and complained to them and they
complained to the
warranty sales rep. They covered the Tranny.
Now my
engine:
I need a short block because the main bearing went. The car
was towed to the
dealership on July 10, 00. The dealer had to make a
lift available because he
knew this was a big job and would tie up the lift
for 3 to 4 weeks. They
finally did a tear down on July 20th. The
warranty inspector came out and took
pictures of the damage. He took
all the oil out of the oil pan for
inspection. They took a copy of all
my services and oil changes.
They came back and said I was missing one
receipt for an oil filter, that is
why the engine blew and they are not going
to cover the engine. I told them
that Mitsubishi requires an oil change
every 7500 miles and I overlap twice so
missing a receipt for one oil filter
does not matter.
Then they said the oil filter was too short for my
car. I told them that the
filter I use is what Mobile One Recommends
for my car.
Then they said they have to wait for the oil test to be
completed to see if
there is any water in the oil. I waited a week and
a half. They came back and
said the lab lost all my oil and they need
another oil sample. They waited a
week before sending out another
inspector. He took the oil out of the oil
filter. I made sure
that only my dealer touched the oil and oil filter. They
came back and said I
had water in my oil and they denied my claim.
I hired a local lab and had
them take an oil sample and analyze it. The
warranty company only left
me with a little bit of oil. The test came back and
said I did not have
water in my oil.
The warranty company, knowing very well that there is no
more oil left in the
car, said, if they can not get another sample of the
oil, they will not cover
my engine.
At this point, I have sent a
letter off to the General Manger of Gebhardt
Motors of Boulder, The owner of
Gebhardt Motors, Mr Gebhardt himself, Channel 9
news (I-Team), Tom
Martino(troubleshooter in CO), Better Business Bureau of
Colorado and the
Better Business Bureau of Atlanta. Atlanta is where the
warranty
company is.
I know a lawyer that is going to help me get the paperwork in
order with in the
next week or two. I will then go to Boulder District Court
and filing a Lawsuit
against Gebhardt Motors. Why Gebhardt,
because they sold me a warranty that
will not cover what they say in the
Warranty book. I have done everything by
the book and have all the necessary
receipts and all of them will hold up in
Court.
I will also file a
Lawsuit against the Warranty Company.
This is where I sit at this
time.
You all must be asking what is the warranty company name, well they
are :
Automobile Protection Corporation -APCO. They are in Atlanta.
GA. They sell a
warranty called Easy Care Vehicle service
contract.
Please wish me luck and also if someone has more suggestions on
what I should
be doing, please let me know.
Best Regards
Moe
P
Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com
wrote:
> I had similar problems with my extended warranty, but in the
long run, they
> ended up covering almost $4,000 in repairs for things
like the "Active
> Aero" system, anti-lock brake system, and one turbo. I
had to fight for it,
> but they eventually paid. In the case of the fried
turbo, I had to remove
> some of my mods and replace them with the
original equipment before they
> sent out the inspector. As it turned out,
after waiting for a week, he
> didn't even look at the car, he just looked
at the repair estimate and
> signed the authorization! I also had
problems, several times, with the seat
> belts not retracting, and they
would NOT pay for that. But Mitsubishi ended
> up covering the new belts
under the factory warranty.
>
> Jeff Williamson
> Belleville,
MI
> '92 VR4
>
> >From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
> >Subject: Re:
Team3S: Warranty?
>
> >The problem with aftermarket warranty
companies is their bad habit of
> denying
> >claims. The policy
has a list of covered items and if it isn't listed then
> it isn't
>
>covered. For example most policies exclude the SRS stuff [ air bags,
>
sensors,
> >controllers, etc. ]. They will deny claims if your car is
modified. They
> have the
> >right to send an inspector to
approve the work --- you could sit in West
> Elbowpit,
> >Nevada
for 5 days waiting for approval on the repair of a blown engine.
> Try
to
> >understand the fine print before buying.
>
>
> Jim Berry
>
>=====================================================
>
>
>>- ----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Danny Erick <
ttstealth@hotmail.com>
>
>>To: <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
>
>> What do you guys think about aftermarket warranties from companies
like
> >>
www.warrantybynet.com? Are they worth
the money? Is there a better
> company?
> >> My quote was like
$1,800 for three years coverage. I know I'm going to
> have
>
>> my car for at least 4 more years and was just wondering if any one
else
> has
> >> one of these warranties or what anyone has
heard about them. As always,
> >> THANKS GUYS
>
>
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:58:26
-0700
From: "Dr. John A. Tabler" <
jtabler@summitmicro.com>
Subject:
Team3S: WTB: radio trim bezel
Hi All,
I need a radio trim
bezel for a 1992 VR4. My interior is black. I
have the kind with
two openings, and I need one of the ones with one
opening. (This is the
plastic trim piece that goes around the
radio.)
Thanks,
JAT
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:06:28
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: WTB: radio trim bezel
> I need a radio trim
bezel for a 1992 VR4. My interior is
> black. I have the kind
with two openings, and I need one
> of the ones with one opening.
(This is the plastic trim
> piece that goes around the radio.)
Get
one from the dealer. They are about $12 for a new one. All of them
are
black in color.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:34:16
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Tensioner installation errors, etc.
A leak-down test is to
find out if the pressure is blown by the pistons or
the valves. The poor mans
test is to put some oil into the cylinders that
the rings are covered. Now
applying pressure to the cylinder should show if
the valves are leaking as
rings at the piston are covered by oil what is too
think to be pressed
by.
The best professional leak-down test is done by a pressure tool
screwed into
the spark plug hole. When pressure is applied (around 10 bars)
one can hear
with a stetoscope where the air flows by. On my car we were able
to hear it
down in the crankcase and not at the heads. The damaged pistons
proofed this
then.
> Oh, and BTW, anyone care to explain what a
leakdown test is? I can guess
> from the context of this thread, but
I'm curious:)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:40:56
-0800
From: "Fonda, Randy" <
fonda@data-io.com>
Subject: Team3S: My
'91 Stealth runs great (as long as my foot is on the gas)
Hi,
A
couple of weeks ago, I was driving down the main drag of town kind of
showing
off a little bit. After having already gone between several lights,
I pulled
up to yet another one, and the engine died. No warning, no
prior
symptoms.
Anyway, getting home was a challenge (quite
embarrasing untill I figured out
how to stop at a light without dieing). The
thing runs strong as a mule as
long as I have my foot on the gas (smooth down
to 500 rpm's). As soon as let
off the gas, it stops running just as if I had
shut it down with the key.
I borrowed a manual from a friend and quickly
started thinking "throttle
position sensor/idle switch". I adjusted it as
outlined in the manual (to no
avail). It seemed to be working properly, but
I'm not sure. There was a
region where it went into variable resistance
between continuity and no
continuity. I'm still thinking that the idle switch
may be bad.
I've searched through the archives and haven't come across a
problem that
quite matches what I'm seeing.
Any suggestions
anyone???
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:55:45
-0400
From: Ken Stanton <
tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: only getting worse! oil in y-pipe
Roger,
What did you find
for a cause in this case? I found the same thing in mine, oil
has
pushed thru the intercooler line all the way up to the oil dipstick so far.
I
thought it was from the turbo, but am relieved to find that it was coming
from
the intake. Now, what is causing it to feed back into the
intake??
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT
K&N, Snake Eyes,
plates 007 KEN
Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)
Soon to come:
www.3sirochester.org
!!!
"Roger Gerl (RTEC)" wrote:
> Check out my pictures on the
"problem page" under my site
http://www.rtec.ch> . This was definitely
too much oil pushed back into the intake by too much
> crankcase
pressure.
>
> Roger
> 93'3000GT TT
>
www.rtec.ch>
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:01:13
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: only getting worse! oil in y-pipe
Easy..bad
compression.
Somethings busted/blown. You have major PCV activity
going on.
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Ken Stanton wrote:
>
Roger,
>
> What did you find for a cause in this case? I
found the same thing in mine, oil
> has pushed thru the intercooler line
all the way up to the oil dipstick so far.
> I thought it was from the
turbo, but am relieved to find that it was coming from
> the intake.
Now, what is causing it to feed back into the intake??
>
> Ken
Stanton
> '91 Pearl White RT/TT
> K&N, Snake Eyes, plates 007
KEN
> Organizer - 3SI Rochester (NY)
> Soon to come:
www.3sirochester.org !!!
>
> "Roger Gerl (RTEC)" wrote:
>
> > Check out my pictures
on the "problem page" under my site
http://www.rtec.ch> > . This was
definitely too much oil pushed back into the intake by too much
> >
crankcase pressure.
> >
> > Roger
> > 93'3000GT
TT
> >
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>
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:21:29
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From: Joe Gonsowski <
twinturbo@mediaone.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: only getting worse! oil in y-pipe
Ken, I just ran through an
explanation of our PCV system on the 3SI board that you
may find
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:38:41
-0700
From: David Margrave <
davidma@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: re: Warranty? My story
Good lord, what a bunch of
weasels!
I personally have never bought a warranty or service contract
other than from the
mfr. (for my dodge dakota pickup). The "this
dealer-only" or "this warranty
network only" have always made me
leery.
The mfr. will generally stand behind their service contract and
not resort to
weasel tactics. Your mileage may vary with 3rd warranty
companies.
Unfortunately, I think they probably have to be sued to collect a
dime from them.
Are warranty scammers like this regulated by the state the
way that insurance
companies are? I believe that all insurance
companies would happily take your
premiums, but make you fight for every dime
come claim time, if they were not
regulated.
I personally would not
get a third-party vehicle warranty unless I was a) an
investigative
journalist or b) a lawyer!
Dave
Manoj Prasad wrote:
>
Here is my Story on my Tranny and engine.
>
> I will try to keep it
short and factual.
>
> My output shaft
went:
>
> I took the car to a tranny
shop. The tranny shop did a tear down of the
> tranny. The
inspector came out and took pictures. He sent the pictures back
> to
the warranty company and the warranty company denied my claim. They
said
> it was rust that caused the problem. I said this is a sealed
system so how can
> rust get in there. They said that it must be the
salt in the air that caused
> the rust. I told them I live in CO so
there is no salt in the air. They said
> since you live in CO, it
snows there, so it must be the salt they use on the
> road. I told
them that CO does not use salt, they use gravel or magnesium mix.
> They
still denied the claim.
>
> I went to the dealer I bought the
warranty from and complained to them and they
> complained to the warranty
sales rep. They covered the Tranny.
>
> Now my
engine:
>
> I need a short block because the main bearing
went. The car was towed to the
> dealership on July 10, 00.
The dealer had to make a lift available because he
> knew this was a big
job and would tie up the lift for 3 to 4 weeks. They
> finally did a
tear down on July 20th. The warranty inspector came out and took
>
pictures of the damage. He took all the oil out of the oil pan for
>
inspection. They took a copy of all my services and oil
changes.
>
> They came back and said I was missing one receipt for
an oil filter, that is
> why the engine blew and they are not going to
cover the engine. I told them
> that Mitsubishi requires an oil
change every 7500 miles and I overlap twice so
> missing a receipt for one
oil filter does not matter.
>
> Then they said the oil filter was
too short for my car. I told them that the
> filter I use is what
Mobile One Recommends for my car.
>
> Then they said they have to
wait for the oil test to be completed to see if
> there is any water in
the oil. I waited a week and a half. They came back and
> said
the lab lost all my oil and they need another oil sample. They waited
a
> week before sending out another inspector. He took the oil out
of the oil
> filter. I made sure that only my dealer touched the oil
and oil filter. They
> came back and said I had water in my oil and they
denied my claim.
>
> I hired a local lab and had them take an oil
sample and analyze it. The
> warranty company only left me with a
little bit of oil. The test came back and
> said I did not have
water in my oil.
>
> The warranty company, knowing very well that
there is no more oil left in the
> car, said, if they can not get another
sample of the oil, they will not cover
> my engine.
>
> At
this point, I have sent a letter off to the General Manger of Gebhardt
>
Motors of Boulder, The owner of Gebhardt Motors, Mr Gebhardt himself, Channel
9
> news (I-Team), Tom Martino(troubleshooter in CO), Better Business
Bureau of
> Colorado and the Better Business Bureau of Atlanta.
Atlanta is where the
> warranty company is.
>
> I know a
lawyer that is going to help me get the paperwork in order with in the
>
next week or two. I will then go to Boulder District Court and filing a
Lawsuit
> against Gebhardt Motors. Why Gebhardt, because they
sold me a warranty that
> will not cover what they say in the Warranty
book. I have done everything by
> the book and have all the necessary
receipts and all of them will hold up in
> Court.
>
> I will
also file a Lawsuit against the Warranty Company.
>
> This is where
I sit at this time.
>
> You all must be asking what is the warranty
company name, well they are :
> Automobile Protection Corporation
-APCO. They are in Atlanta. GA. They sell a
> warranty called
Easy Care Vehicle service contract.
>
> Please wish me luck and also
if someone has more suggestions on what I should
> be doing, please let me
know.
>
> Best Regards
> Moe P
>
>
Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com
wrote:
>
> > I had similar problems with my extended warranty,
but in the long run, they
> > ended up covering almost $4,000 in
repairs for things like the "Active
> > Aero" system, anti-lock brake
system, and one turbo. I had to fight for it,
> > but they eventually
paid. In the case of the fried turbo, I had to remove
> > some of my
mods and replace them with the original equipment before they
> > sent
out the inspector. As it turned out, after waiting for a week, he
> >
didn't even look at the car, he just looked at the repair estimate and
>
> signed the authorization! I also had problems, several times, with the
seat
> > belts not retracting, and they would NOT pay for that. But
Mitsubishi ended
> > up covering the new belts under the factory
warranty.
> >
> > Jeff Williamson
> > Belleville,
MI
> > '92 VR4
> >
> > >From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
> >
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Warranty?
> >
> > >The problem
with aftermarket warranty companies is their bad habit of
> >
denying
> > >claims. The policy has a list of covered items and if
it isn't listed then
> > it isn't
> > >covered. For example
most policies exclude the SRS stuff [ air bags,
> > sensors,
>
> >controllers, etc. ]. They will deny claims if your car is modified.
They
> > have the
> > >right to send an inspector to
approve the work --- you could sit in West
> > Elbowpit,
> >
>Nevada for 5 days waiting for approval on the repair of a blown
engine.
> > Try to
> > >understand the fine print before
buying.
> >
> > >
Jim Berry
> >
>=====================================================
> >
>
> >>- ----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: Danny
Erick <
ttstealth@hotmail.com>
> >
>>To: <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
>
> > >> What do you guys think about aftermarket warranties
from companies like
> > >>
www.warrantybynet.com? Are they worth
the money? Is there a better
> > company?
> > >> My
quote was like $1,800 for three years coverage. I know I'm going to
> >
have
> > >> my car for at least 4 more years and was just
wondering if any one else
> > has
> > >> one of these
warranties or what anyone has heard about them. As always,
> > >>
THANKS GUYS
> >
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:05:14
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From: "Sue Smith" <
saintsue@netzero.net>
Subject:
Team3S: 15G turbo questions
How much boost would my stock 9b(s), bored
out to fit a 15G compressor
wheel(s) be able to hold to redline? I
really need to know for sure
immediately since I will be either getting this
done or buying something
like the DR650s (9b with 15G turbine &
compressor wheels). Would my EGTs
be different at the same psi
depending on which one I got? Everyone w/ 15Gs
(especially using the 9b
core) please tell me what kind of boost they can
hold to
redline.
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:46:31
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From: "Chris Maxwell" <
shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: only getting worse! oil in y-pipe
I have the same problem, a
little bit of oil gets spit out of the blitz BOV
every so often. Also,
my dipstick is getting dislodged. Would that cause a
boost leak?
Anyways, my new engine and GT-PRO turbos have less than 5k
miles on them so I
wouldn't expect that they would have problems yet. Would
a
breather/catch can solve this problem? If so, how do I implement this
as
I'm not too familiar with how they are hooked up in the
engine.
Thanks,
CM
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:03:56
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From: Geoff Mohler <
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: only getting worse! oil in y-pipe
I would invest in a
compression/leak down test.
You shouldnt under ANY circumstances be
tossing your dipstick out.
When I did that on my Supra (MA70), I
discovered three cracked pistons
(still in one piece tho) and one really
scored cylinder.
Also was generating tons of blowby, and would fill up
the IC with oil
enough to percolate it into the intake too.
On Mon, 28
Aug 2000, Chris Maxwell wrote:
> I have the same problem, a little bit
of oil gets spit out of the blitz BOV
> every so often. Also, my
dipstick is getting dislodged. Would that cause a
> boost
leak? Anyways, my new engine and GT-PRO turbos have less than 5k
>
miles on them so I wouldn't expect that they would have problems yet.
Would
> a breather/catch can solve this problem? If so, how do I
implement this as
> I'm not too familiar with how they are hooked up in
the engine.
>
> Thanks,
> CM
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:14:53
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From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 15G turbo questions
> How much boost would my stock 9b(s),
bored out
> to fit a 15G compressor wheel(s) be able to
> hold to
redline? I really need to know for sure
> immediately since I will
be either getting this
> done or buying something like the DR650s
(9b
> with 15G turbine & compressor wheels). Would
>
my EGTs be different at the same psi depending
> on which one I got?
Everyone w/ 15Gs
> (especially using the 9b core) please tell me
>
what kind of boost they can hold to redline.
As far as I can tell, that's
all a 15G is - just a larger compressor wheel
in a bored out 9b
housing. The exhaust side looks identical to the stock
turbos to my
untrained eye. ...At least on my "15G's". I couldn't tell
a
difference between the housings at all and only the compressor side
wheel
looked different - much more aggressive.
My 15G's hold 22 psi to
redline. I haven't tried to go higher than that,
and I wouldn't
recommend running higher than 15 psi on anything less than
100+ octane race
fuel for safety's sake. If you want to run more boost than
that, you
are going to need forged pistons as recommended by several people
on this
list who know about such things.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:07:59
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: only getting worse! oil in y-pipe
>What did you find for a
cause in this case? I found the same thing in
>mine, oil
>has
pushed thru the intercooler line all the way up to the oil dipstick so
>far.
>I thought it was from the turbo, but am relieved to find
that it was
>coming from
>the intake. Now, what is causing it
to feed back into the intake??
In my case it was high pressure in the
crankcase caused by the pressure
that passed by the pistons ! This because a
lot rings and two landrings
where broken. A compression test will show any
bad sign sign (hopefully not).
A side note: The first time we thought of
a problem was on the dyno as the
oil temp that was pushed into the dipstick
line popped off and oil got
sprayed to the windshield (nice !). Another time
the dipstick got pushed
out under the hood at full speed and high boost
(above 1 bar). The same
also happend to a car who had no compression
problems just a high crankcase
pressure. He made an engine flush and went to
0W30 oil from Castrol and
everything was fine then.
As the oil is
doing bad in the intake (lowering octane = higher danger for
detonation) I
highly recommend a small oil catch can between the PCV valve
and the intake
trakt. The one from Cusco is the best thing one can get but
damn expensive
(dunno why). I have one from a cart (yes, right) and I just
try to cut it as
it is somewhat large. A transparent one made would be nice
to see how much
oil is pushed out :) Any pics or sources of cheaper catch
cans are
welcome.
Good luck
Roger
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:09:22
-0400
From: Eric J Totten <
spankis@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
My '91 Stealth runs great (as long as my foot is on the gas)
My Stealth
had the SAME exact problem. Only it occured after i had put a
new battery in
and i had to keep the AC on HIGH in order to keep the car
running until i had
it checked.
After some computer checks nothing was wrong. The mechanic
cracked open
the throttle body and noticed it was FILTHY, god knows when last
checked.
However he cleaned it out and my car runs GREAT.
To those who
asked me how much it cost me, I still have not got
the
bill.......}:(
Eric T.
'91 Stealth ES
DOHC
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:09:56
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: only getting worse! oil in y-pipe
> I have the same
problem, a little bit of oil gets spit out of the blitz
BOV
> every so
often. Also, my dipstick is getting dislodged.
Not a good sign
!
> Would that cause a boost leak? Anyways, my new engine and
GT-PRO
> turbos have less than 5k miles on them so I wouldn't expect that
they
> would have problems yet. Would a breather/catch can solve
this
> problem? If so, how do I implement this as
> I'm not
too familiar with how they are hooked up in the engine.
You better talk
with Brian from GT PRO (when he did the engine) about this
than think a
breather can solve the problem. Even then the problem is still
there you just
eliminated the symptons. Also better ask him to install a
catch can as he
knows what it is and where to install.
Roger
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