team3s
Monday, August 28
2000
Volume 01 : Number
248
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Date:
Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:40:09 +0100
From: George Shaw <
george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: OBD-II connector ??/
Does anyone know if any of Mitsubishi or
Dodge models have such a connector or module as a OBD-II (it links to a on-board
computer diagnostics etc like the BMW) ?
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:23:03
-0400
From: "LabRat" <
labrat101@home.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: A'Pexi Digital Boost Controller
Does anyone have
this
sytem in there car or knows where I can find a picture of it mounted
in
someones car?
http://www.3si.org/upload/402.jpghttp://www.3si.org/upload/401.jpgI
had a local stereo shop customize the factory Bezel, a little wood,
little
bondo, satin black paint. $75usd
J Couture
92
TT
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:34:53
-0400
From: "Dan Mecier" <
dmecier@ka.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
OBD-II connector ??/
The 96 and later models are OBDII
compliant.
Dan Mecier
94 3000GT VR-4
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To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: OBD-II connector ??/
Does anyone know if any of Mitsubishi or
Dodge models have such a connector
or module as a OBD-II (it links to a
on-board computer diagnostics etc like
the BMW) ?
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Date: 27 Aug 2000 08:49:22
-0700
From: John Monnin <
jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE:Tensioner installation errors, etc.
Stephen C. Kempf was
asking for signs of timing belt slippage.
If you have access to a
bore scope look at the pistons my engine had half moon shiny marks on the
pistons right in the valve reliefs. Carbon will build up on the valve
reliefs as well as the rest of the piston so if it is shiny the valves have been
hitting. Depite this my vlaves looked perfect until I had a vlave job then
the valves would only grind on one side because they were slightly bent.
If you see shiny marks on pistyons the heads have come off for a valve
job. I have no idea if the pistons will survive but I am replacing mine
anyways.
How it happened:
One day 18,000 miles after having the
dealer replace the timing belt and tensioner I noticed that the power in the car
seemed to be non-existant above 3000RPM. I turned the radio down and
noticed the the valve clatter was louder thatn normal. I was only a mile
from home so I turned aroundy 91 3000GT VR4 to limp it home. by the time I
got home I was sure I had thrown a rod because the clatter was so loud.
Dropping the oil pan showed that the crank and rods were fine so I knew there
was head damage.
Original Message below:
Date: Sat,
26 Aug 2000 12:59:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Stephen C. Kempf" <
kempfsc@mail.auburn.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Tensioner installation errors, etc.
snip.....
I'd appreciate any suggestions as to what these
results might suggest (if
anything) in regard to valve damage
resulting from the cam timing errors.
......snip....
Steve
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:08:27
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Tensioner installation errors, etc.
Thanks Steven for the
great information.
> The boroscope examination raised some questions
about
> potential internal damage from the valves hitting the pistons
that
> hopefully some of you can provide some useful comments and
suggestions on.
A good comrpessio nand leak down tells you mroe than the
boroscope
information. Often a smal bend in the valves are not visible
!
> tension is applied, the second axis of rotation is "locked down",
I
> believe by tightening a bolt. To do this correctly requires a
special
> "two-pin" tool that is used to hold the eccentric rotation in
the correct
> orientation while the tensioner is installed, and then is
removed so that
> the proper tension can be applied by rotating the
tensioner around the
> eccentric axis using a torque wrench (I believe 42
ft-lbs of torque is the
> correct tension, but check your manuals, my
memory could be wrong). The
> dealer, of course, did not have the special
tool (but they do now) and
> neither mechanic that worked on the car
realized the importance of getting
Yes, this tool is very imprtant and it
took me two monts to get here !!!
> the eccentric rotation correct.
They both just reinstalled the tensioner
> as it came out of the car when
the belt was removed and I think used a
> lever bar to rotate the entire
tensioner assembly so the bolt holes would
> line up. The result was
a loose timing belt that resulted in slippage at
> some point.
I
exactly know what they have done wrong. There is also an "automatic"
belt
tensioner that provides constant tension to the belt when installed.
This is
getting expanded when removing it and the mechanioc has to slowly
push it
pack before isntalling. So the installed it with the tensioner fully
out and
just torqued the extenter down. Of course this is only a matter of
time
until tension goes too low !
> When I took the car back in
after canceling my trip, I gave the mechanic
> my service manuals, which
he read and, as a result, discovered his error.
Oh, interesting ... one
works on the car without a manual ?? He should pay
you for education
!
> of the agreement with the service department where the work was
and is
> being done is that I would be able to examine the valves and
pistons and
> that a leak-down test would be performed on all
cylinders.
As said before, the boroscope is good to check out if there is
any damage to
the walls or pistons before opening the heads. If the valves
are able to
close properly can only be said after the comrpession/leakdown
test. So
whats the results of them ? They are probabyl wet due to the wrong
timing
you had and just force them to install at least new plugs as they may
be
fouled (depends when they have bneen replaced).
It is not necessary
to change the oil more often than every 5000 miles
unelss you race it a lot
under extreme conditions. When the timing belt is
realigned properly the
compression test must show the good values. A leak
down test is done with the
cams off (no a big deal) and the piston at BDC.
We were able to hear where it
blew out the air then !
Again, good luck
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:09:53
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: only getting worse! oil in y-pipe
Check out my pictures on
the "problem page" under my site
http://www.rtec.ch. This was definitely too
much oil pushed back into the intake by too much
crankcase
pressure.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:35:20
CDT
From: "Danny Erick" <
ttstealth@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Warranty?
What do you guys think about aftermarket warranties
from companies like
www.warrantybynet.com? Are they worth
the money? Is there a better company?
My quote was like $1,800 for three
years coverage. I know I'm going to have
my car for at least 4 more years
and was just wondering if any one else has
one of these warranties or what
anyone has heard about them. As always,
THANKS GUYS!
Dan
Erick
Firestorm Red 92 Stealth R/T TT <--Getting that new ECU this week!
=)
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:30:45
-0500
From: "Greg S." <
wizards@mhtc.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Minnesota - Wisconsin Gathering News
Well, I just got back from Curt
Gendron's All Mitsu BBQ, and it was a
great time with well over 40 cars in
attendance. THANKS CURT for a job
well done!
I had such a
good time that I wanted to plug my upcoming gathering in
Southwest Wisconsin
one more time. Only 3 Weeks to go! Hope to see
you
there!
Greg
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:31:27
-0700
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Warranty?
The problem with aftermarket warranty companies is their bad
habit of denying
claims. The policy has a list of covered items and if it
isn't listed then it isn't
covered. For example most policies exclude the
SRS stuff [ air bags, sensors,
controllers, etc. ]. They will deny claims if
your car is modified. They have the
right to send an inspector to approve the
work --- you could sit in West Elbowpit,
Nevada for 5 days waiting for
approval on the repair of a blown engine. Try to
understand the fine print
before buying.
Jim
Berry
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From: Danny Erick <
ttstealth@hotmail.com>
To: <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
What do you guys think about aftermarket warranties from companies like
>
www.warrantybynet.com? Are they worth
the money? Is there a better company?
> My quote was like $1,800 for
three years coverage. I know I'm going to have
> my car for at least 4
more years and was just wondering if any one else has
> one of these
warranties or what anyone has heard about them. As always,
> THANKS
GUYS
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:07:08
-0600
From: Manoj Prasad <
mprasad@uswest.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Warranty?
When I have a little time to type on what is going on
with my engine, you will
understand how hard it is to get anything
covered.
I will put something out today.
Rgds
Moe
Danny
Erick wrote:
> What do you guys think about aftermarket warranties
from companies like
>
www.warrantybynet.com? Are they worth
the money? Is there a better company?
> My quote was like $1,800 for three
years coverage. I know I'm going to have
> my car for at least 4 more
years and was just wondering if any one else has
> one of these warranties
or what anyone has heard about them. As always,
> THANKS
GUYS!
>
> Dan Erick
> Firestorm Red 92 Stealth R/T TT
<--Getting that new ECU this week! =)
> K&N FIPK
>
>
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