team3s
Wednesday, August 23
2000 Volume 01 :
Number
244
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Date:
Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:04:14 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
Has anyone been affected by
this? Here is a link to some TSBs and Recalls.
Be smart and make sure
your Mitsu has been fixed for all recalls if needed.
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com
3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com> - "Car pictures"
then "Readers'
4" page
+ = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + =
+ =
Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
By Mitsuo Suzuki
TOKYO,
Aug 17 (Reuters) - Mitsubishi Motors Corp is likely to expand a
vehicle
recall linked to a cover-up of consumer complaints after an internal
probe
found the cover-up was more widespread than thought, Japanese media
reported
on Thursday.
Mitsubishi Motors , Japan's fourth-biggest automaker, will
add more than
50,000 cars and trucks to its planned recall, pushing the total
above
580,000, Jiji news agency reported.
A spokesman for the
automaker was unable to confirm the report, adding that
the results of the
internal investigation, including measures to improve
internal controls and
penalize those responsible for the cover-up, would be
released next
week.
The scandal has sparked modest losses in Mitsubishi Motors' share
price, but
analysts warned a bigger decline may be looming.
"The share
price has been slow to react to this news but there will be a
serious impact
soon," Merrill Lynch analyst Takaki Nakanishi said.
Mitsubishi's shares
ended Thursday's trade at 448 yen ($4.13), down seven
percent from Monday's
close but still well above both the intraday low of
388 yen hit shortly after
the scandal broke in July and the year's low of
305 yen hit in
January.
Mitsubishi said on July 18 it would recall 514,000 vehicles in
Japan at a
cost of five billion yen ($46.10 million) after it was learned the
company
had hidden a large number of consumer complaints from Transport
Ministry
officials since 1992. The recall figure was later raised to
530,000.
PROBE UNCOVERS WIDER COVER-UP
Thursday's Jiji
report, quoting unnamed sources, said an internal
investigation had uncovered
additional complaints that had been hidden from
government authorities, and
at least two separate divisions within the
company were involved.
The
day before, the Yomiuri Shimbun said the cover-up dated back to the
launch of
Mitsubishi Motors' recall system in 1969.
Mitsubishi Motors President
Katsuhiko Kawasoe, appointed chief executive in
late 1997 to clean up the
company's image after his predecessor stepped down
amid a racketeer payoff
scandal, told business daily Nihon Keizai Shimbun
his own salary would be cut
and other officials would also be held
accountable for the
scandal.
Although both the Transport Ministry and the company have said
they had no
evidence senior management was involved in or aware of the
cover-up, the
scandal has raised doubts about the struggling automaker's
reform program,
including a drive to cut costs and debt levels.
"The
biggest problem at Mitsubishi is that it failed to make the progress
planned
in its reforms, and if Kawasoe ends up resigning there'll be no
proper
successor in the company," Merrill Lynch's Nakanishi said.
In May,
Mitsubishi forecast its group net loss would triple in the business
year to
next March to 70 billion yen, although this was due mainly to
covering
retirement benefit liabilities.
Analysts have also said they doubted the
scandal would interfere with
Mitsubishi's alliance with DaimlerChrysler AG
(NYSE:DCX - news) , which
agreed in March to acquire a 34 percent stake in
the Japanese carmaker.
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:40:26
-0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
... and for those of you
who want to search for your specific car then
follow this link ...
http://www.alldata.com/recalls/
<http://www.alldata.com/recalls/>
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com
3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com> - "Car pictures"
then "Readers'
4" page
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Schilberg, Darren [mailto:DSchilberg@freemarkets.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:04 PM
To: Team3S (E-mail)
Subject: Team3S:
Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
Has anyone been affected by
this? Here is a link to some TSBs and Recalls.
Be smart and make sure
your Mitsu has been fixed for all recalls if needed.
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com
3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com> - "Car pictures"
then "Readers'
4" page
+ = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + =
+ =
Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
By Mitsuo Suzuki
TOKYO,
Aug 17 (Reuters) - Mitsubishi Motors Corp is likely to expand a
vehicle
recall linked to a cover-up of consumer complaints after an internal
probe
found the cover-up was more widespread than thought, Japanese media
reported
on Thursday.
Mitsubishi Motors , Japan's fourth-biggest automaker, will
add more than
50,000 cars and trucks to its planned recall, pushing the total
above
580,000, Jiji news agency reported.
A spokesman for the
automaker was unable to confirm the report, adding that
the results of the
internal investigation, including measures to improve
internal controls and
penalize those responsible for the cover-up, would be
released next
week.
The scandal has sparked modest losses in Mitsubishi Motors' share
price, but
analysts warned a bigger decline may be looming.
"The share
price has been slow to react to this news but there will be a
serious impact
soon," Merrill Lynch analyst Takaki Nakanishi said.
Mitsubishi's shares
ended Thursday's trade at 448 yen ($4.13), down seven
percent from Monday's
close but still well above both the intraday low of
388 yen hit shortly after
the scandal broke in July and the year's low of
305 yen hit in
January.
Mitsubishi said on July 18 it would recall 514,000 vehicles in
Japan at a
cost of five billion yen ($46.10 million) after it was learned the
company
had hidden a large number of consumer complaints from Transport
Ministry
officials since 1992. The recall figure was later raised to
530,000.
PROBE UNCOVERS WIDER COVER-UP
Thursday's Jiji
report, quoting unnamed sources, said an internal
investigation had uncovered
additional complaints that had been hidden from
government authorities, and
at least two separate divisions within the
company were involved.
The
day before, the Yomiuri Shimbun said the cover-up dated back to the
launch of
Mitsubishi Motors' recall system in 1969.
Mitsubishi Motors President
Katsuhiko Kawasoe, appointed chief executive in
late 1997 to clean up the
company's image after his predecessor stepped down
amid a racketeer payoff
scandal, told business daily Nihon Keizai Shimbun
his own salary would be cut
and other officials would also be held
accountable for the
scandal.
Although both the Transport Ministry and the company have said
they had no
evidence senior management was involved in or aware of the
cover-up, the
scandal has raised doubts about the struggling automaker's
reform program,
including a drive to cut costs and debt levels.
"The
biggest problem at Mitsubishi is that it failed to make the progress
planned
in its reforms, and if Kawasoe ends up resigning there'll be no
proper
successor in the company," Merrill Lynch's Nakanishi said.
In May,
Mitsubishi forecast its group net loss would triple in the business
year to
next March to 70 billion yen, although this was due mainly to
covering
retirement benefit liabilities.
Analysts have also said they doubted the
scandal would interfere with
Mitsubishi's alliance with DaimlerChrysler AG
(NYSE:DCX - news) , which
agreed in March to acquire a 34 percent stake in
the Japanese carmaker.
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:57:13
+0100
From: George Shaw <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject:
Team3S: GTO vs GT
Hi folks
After a few comments made over a few to
many pints of beer I was wondering what the general opinion was on the Japanese
import GTO vs the UK (or USA) spec GT or VR4. Is one better than the other?
GS
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:00:33
-0500
From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: GTO vs GT
For all practical purposes they are the same
car.
Certain countries got larger turbos from the factory, with the same
boost
levels.
Non-Turbo GTO's from Japan are All-Wheel
Drive.
Turbo GTO's from Japan carry a lower HP rating due to Japan's
strict
regulations.
GTO's are right hand drive.
That's about it
when it comes to comparing the different cars.
I believe there is also a
GTO MR in Japan (I thought MR usually meant
Mid-Engine, Rear Wheel Drive; but
I assure you it's AWD) - I believe this
model is a tad lighter than the
standard VR4 or GTO TT.
- -Cody
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Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of George Shaw
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:57 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject:
Team3S: GTO vs GT
Hi folks
After a few comments made over a
few to many pints of beer I was wondering
what the general opinion was on the
Japanese import GTO vs the UK (or USA)
spec GT or VR4. Is one better than the
other?
GS
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:13:59
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: ARC setup
Thanks Roger for the informative reply. I like the
idea of adding a
thermistor to supply real air temp measurements for the ECU.
Doesn't
the thermistor output need to be converted to the correct
voltage
input range for the ECU? The ARC2 does not need to be in the path
at
all for pressure and temperature input to the ECU. I think the
sensor
should be near the MAS though as the ECU is using the pressure
and
flow readings (along with temp) to calculate the mass of air
going
through the MAS. If we give it the (unfortunately) higher
reading
near the plenum it will think there is less air mass than
there
really is and so less fuel! I know, I know, that is what we
are
already doing but why confuse the ECU any further? I am very
much
interested in adding air temp sensors to my IC pipes and for the
MAS
- - another winter project.
Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Stealth
316
--> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
To: "Jeff
Lucius" <stealthman92@yahoo.com>;
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:01 AM
Subject: Team3S: ARC setup (was : Need
Help)
<snip>
I'm working on the temp thing as I need it for the
summer. I'm sure a
simple variable resistor will do the job just havent
had the chance
to try it out yet. I'm also considering a small thermoresistor
that
will be mounted at the airfilter providing the ECU the
correct
temperature (as the MAF doesn't have them anymore). BTW, this is
what
the VPC does as it doesn't do a lot if any to the mixture when
temp
rises but the signal to the ECU is changed to show the temp
increase
(in the intake manifold). I think this is not a bad idea to
deliver
the real temperature of the air in the y-pipe for the ECU, but
it is
possible that it then highly retards the timing when it sees
90°C
(without WI !!!!!!) at the throttle body ! The desired temp
shoudl
always be below 50°C and best results are at 39°C (thank you WI
!!!).
When I'm able again to crawl under the car I will get the stuff
ready
soon and will then check this
out.
<snip>
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:20:49
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: GTO vs GT
> Turbo GTO's from Japan carry a lower HP rating
due to
> Japan's strict regulations.
The operative word in that
sentence is "rating" as they still make standard
horsepower (or possibly
more). All Japanese manufacturers are listing their
top cars at 280,
even though the cars make more - in some cases a LOT more
(Skyline).
-
-Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:26:03
-0700
From: "Browne, Troy E" <troy.e.browne@intel.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Need Help
Hi Folks,
Troy here with some bad news about
my baby(96 3000GT VR4 Spyder)
It looks like I jumped the timing belt
:( The dealer just called
to inform me that I had ZERO compression in
the #1 cylinder so I guess
that means the heads are coming off, new timing
belt, tensioner, water
pump, gaskets, machine work etc... Joy
I
guess my question now is... Assuming there is only damage to the
heads.
Do I rebuild the whole thing or just just the heads?
If
just the heads, stock valves? Cams? lash adjusters? Or
Aftermarket.
I know there have been alot of posts lately on after market
valves, pistons,
and crankshafts (not to turn them) and one in
particular about a shop which
would
either rebuild or trade out a high
perfomance engine for a reasonable price.
(and I would prefer better than
stock parts.)
Unfortunately, I deleted all these posts as I blindly hoped
this wouldn't
happen
to me. After all the engine only has 19k on it,
right?
What I'm looking for is this: I want this to be a perfomance
engine able to
handle
my 15Gs and 720cc inj. which is still a dependable
daily driver. Money is
not a big
concern within reason.(still have
to explain it to the spouse)
Does anyone have
recommendations?
Should I send the engine out to a performance
shop. If so does anyone know
of a good one near
Sacramento.
Should I have the dealer do it? 3-4k if lower end
touched. 1.5-2k top end
only. (They will
allow upgraded parts to be
installed , not sure about port/polish/balancing.
Manager said they
send
it out to a shop.)
I'm hesitant to beef up the top end without touching
the low end for fear of
knock damage
(Rogers posts) since the only thing
the dealer would see is the cylinder
walls.
One more thing, I'd
prefer to use the stock block to keep all serial
numbers
intact.
Uuggghh, sorry for the long post everyone, just
wanted to let you know.
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:49:01
EDT
From: SKCrusader@aol.com
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Odyssey aka Predator Battery
Would someone please explain water injection
to me?? I've never heard of this before.....Thanks.
Scott
'89
Grand Pricks (oops, that's Prix) POS
Waiting for my own
TT
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:51:40
-0700
From: "Browne, Troy E" <troy.e.browne@intel.com>
Subject:
Team3S: RE: Need Help
Hopefully this will be easier to read now.
changed to plain text.
Hi Folks,
Troy here with some bad news
about my baby(96 3000GT VR4 Spyder)
It looks like I jumped the timing
belt :( The dealer just called
to inform me that I had ZERO compression
in the #1 cylinder so I guess
that means the heads are coming off, new timing
belt, tensioner, water
pump, gaskets, machine work etc... Joy
I
guess my question now is... Assuming there is only damage to the
heads.
Do I rebuild the whole thing or just just the heads?
If
just the heads, stock valves? Cams? lash adjusters? Or
Aftermarket.
I know there have been alot of posts lately on after market
valves, pistons,
and crankshafts (not to turn them) and one in
particular about a shop which
would either rebuild or trade out a high
perfomance engine for a reasonable
price.
(and I would prefer better than
stock parts.)
Unfortunately, I deleted all these posts as I blindly hoped
this wouldn't
happen
to me. After all the engine only has 19k on it,
right?
What I'm looking for is this: I want this to be a perfomance
engine able to
handle my 15Gs and 720cc inj. which is still a dependable
daily driver.
Money is
not a big concern within reason.(still have to
explain it to the spouse)
Does anyone have recommendations?
Should
I send the engine out to a performance shop. If so does anyone know
of
a good one near Sacramento.
Should I have the dealer do it? 3-4k if
lower end touched. 1.5-2k top end
only. (They will allow upgraded parts
to be installed , not sure about
port/polish/
balancing. Manager
said they send it out to a shop.)
I'm hesitant to beef up the top end
without touching the low end for fear of
knock damage (Rogers web posts)
since the only thing the dealer would see is
the
cylinder
walls.
One more thing, I'd prefer to use the stock
block to keep all serial
numbers intact.
Uuggghh, sorry for
the long post everyone, just wanted to let you know.
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:56:14
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Need Help
> It looks like I jumped the timing belt
:( The dealer
> just called to inform me that I had ZERO
compression
> in the #1 cylinder so I guess that means the heads
>
are coming off, new timing belt, tensioner, water
> pump, gaskets, machine
work etc... Joy
Oooof! Tough break.
> I guess my
question now is... Assuming there is
> only damage to the
heads. Do I rebuild the whole
> thing or just just the heads?
If one cylinder is bad enough to be zero compression, there is probably
some
piston damage as well. Best thing to do would be to go with forged
pistons
if you are going to keep the car upgraded. Since you installed
720cc
injectors I'm going to assume that you are looking for huge performance
out
of it and want to run lots of boost at the dragstrip or
something.
> After all the engine only has 19k on it,
right?
19k? The timing belt should still be covered under the
powertrain warranty.
None of the modifications you made would affect the
durability of the timing
belt. You might want to try to pursue the
warranty angle.
> I'm hesitant to beef up the top end without
touching
> the low end for fear of knock damage (Rogers posts)
>
since the only thing the dealer would see is the
> cylinder
walls.
If you are into it as far as the heads, and the cost isn't a huge
concern,
I'd go with the forged pistons and whatever rods the group
recommends.
Seems like Mitsubishi rods are pretty good, but I'm not "in the
know" once
you crack open the motor.
> One more thing, I'd
prefer to use the stock block
> to keep all serial numbers
intact.
Most likely the block is fine and you should be able to use it
just fine.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:42:36
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: RE: Need Help
> It looks like I jumped the timing
belt :( The dealer just called
> to inform me that I had ZERO
compression in the #1 cylinder so I guess
> that means the heads are
coming off, new timing belt, tensioner, water
> pump, gaskets, machine
work etc... Joy
Being that this is the dealer, do you know for sure
that they re-aligned the
cams before doing the compression test? If
not, the valves could be open during
the compression stroke (hopefully not at
TDC though).
Matt is right. At 19K on a '96, you are covered 100%
under warranty. They
should pick up the entire cost. If you have
mods, they will have to prove that
the mods were directly responsible for the
timing belt slip rather than a
stretched belt, faulty tensioner, or faulty
tensioner installation.
- --
Forget world peace -- visualize using
your turn signal!
Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San
Diego
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:51:53
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Need Help
>> 19k? The timing belt should still be
covered under the
>> powertrain warranty. None of the
modifications you made
>> would affect the durability of the timing
belt. You
>> might want to try to pursue the warranty
angle.
> Dealer already kyboshed that idea due to extensive
mods
> and past 3yr/36K warranty. I will try that angle
>
verbally with the service manager though.
Powertrain warranty is 5 years
/ 60,000 miles on Mitsubishi vehicles,
including Spyder. On such a low
mileage vehicle like yours the timing belt
shouldn't be out of adjustment /
broken already.
> Not looking to take it to the strip but road course
definitely.
They'll let you do that with your Spyder? Roadracing
groups around here in
Minnesota require a rollbar on convertibles, and I'm
not willing to
structurally modify my Spyder to that extent, not to mention a
rollbar would
look lame with the top down (IMHO).
- -Matt
'95
3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:18:00
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Need Help
> >> 19k? The timing belt should
still be covered under the
> >> powertrain warranty. None of
the modifications you made
> >> would affect the durability of the
timing belt. You
> >> might want to try to pursue the warranty
angle.
>
> > Dealer already kyboshed that idea due to extensive
mods
> > and past 3yr/36K warranty. I will try that angle
>
> verbally with the service manager though.
Of course the dealer will
try to dissuade you! Remember, these guys are trying
to make
money. Don't let them put the kybosh on it! You may need to talk
to
the area representative, not the service manager. See
http://www.sema.org/fedleg/warranty/warranty.html
for info on warranty denials.
Like Matt said, engine & drivetrain are
covered for 5 year / 60K miles! Fight
for this!
- --
Forget
world peace -- visualize using your turn signal!
Ken Middaugh (858)
455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:18:17
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Need Help
> Powertrain warranty is 5 years / 60,000 miles
on Mitsubishi vehicles,
> including Spyder. On such a low mileage
vehicle like yours the timing
belt
> shouldn't be out of adjustment /
broken already.
Mitsubishi warranty claim : Changes and modification made
to the engine that
does include fuel system and internals as well as running
the engine out of
its specs violates any warranty provided by Mitsubishi
Motors Corporation.
The car runs out of it's specs as well as some mods
have been done. The
timing belt slippage is normally not affected by the mods
but during the
work one could have been made something wrong and Mitsubishi
is not willing
to pay for any mechanics bad work. This is clear as the guy
simply could
have attached the belt with just too less tourque ! Mitsu pays
if the
problem appeared due to a broken pulley, belt or anythign else that
finally
caused the belt to slip. If the belt just slipped due to too less
tourque
... tuff luck. If this works out, I will loosen the the belt
tensioner, ru
nthe car up to 8000 (G-Force self-programmed) and then call
Mitsu ... uuuups
the timing belt slipped, may I have a new engine please ?
Sorry, but at
least here in Europe, they are not that stupid.
Kens
note on the cam alignement is very good ! Zero compression normally
means
valves are not closing or the piston has a hole in it (I just had this
on my
clients car). If the other cyls reading are better or good then of
course the
cam is properly aligned.
For the damage, also the piston should be
replaced as well as the rods taken
out and balanced again. Yes, the belt
should be changed as well as the
gaskets. But all pistons will become new
rings as I'd not do only one. The
idea of good forged psitons should be
taken. I was screwed at this time by
the dealer and I haven't got them on
time (i.e. cancelled the order) as I
waited for the stuff more than 4 weeks.
The heads "should " not have any
damage. The engine I got from a jumped belt
had scratched cams and a crack
in the head. A used good engine was finally
cheaper than the rebuild we
calculated in advance. The crankshaft is no
problem and can be left where it
is.
After reading your posts again, I
doubt that the belt has jumped and I more
belive in the fact you runned lean
enough that caused the piston to break or
... the same liek happend to me
lately ... that there must be a big bubble
of that caused an overheat
situation at only one cyl. And #1 only breaks if
there is a serious problem
(enough cooling there.) Strange... I'd liek to
see the heads off :) Have the
digicam ready for us.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:28:44
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: ARC setup
> Thanks Roger for the informative reply. I
like the idea of adding a
> thermistor to supply real air temp
measurements for the ECU. Doesn't
> the thermistor output need to be
converted to the correct voltage
> input range for the ECU?
I have
to check the manual again but this is not a big deal. It's just
another wire
to route through the firewall :-/
> The ARC2 does not need to be in
the path at
> all for pressure and temperature input to the
ECU.
Correct, but I'd say we don't need the barometric
sensor.
> I think the sensor
> should be near the MAS though as
the ECU is using the pressure and
> flow readings (along with temp) to
calculate the mass of air going
> through the MAS.
Yep, just make
thread into the MAF housing :-)
> If we give it the (unfortunately)
higher reading
> near the plenum it will think there is less air mass than
there
> really is and so less fuel!
The AC would then compensate
this, but no, close to or in the MAF would be
the answer.
>
interested in adding air temp sensors to my IC pipes and for the MAS
> -
another winter project.
Hey, I need the car in winter, hehe. The ICs will
probably find their way
into the car next year !
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
www.rtec.ch
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:38:50
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 3. Euro Spec
> 3. Concernes about the new
VR-4
>
> the car faster, but how safe was it for the car and what
should I look for
in
> terms of engine damage.
Only a good
compression test and leak down test can tell something about the
health. No,
it is not safe if not done properly !
> When you read further down,
you will notice I want to
> put a boost controller, will I most likely
have to undo what the previous
owner
> did?
Yes
> am
currently trying to get a US map for it. Anyways, are all the
Euro
Spec
> 3000GTs with the stearing wheel on the right
side?
No, the japanese cars do have it on the right side. Please note
that the
most european countries use the left side driving style. The UK cars
are
pure japanese cars with some restrictions and governours
installed.
> .. or perhaps do they all say GTO instead of
3000GT?
No, in Europe they have been know as 3000GT
> I am just
trying to find out if it is Euro Spec or
> not?
No it
isn't
Hehe, my mom would take my car at any time or swap it with the MX-3
I bought
her a year ago... no way mom, I keep it
;-)
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:36:20
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Need Help
>> Powertrain warranty is 5 years / 60,000
miles on Mitsubishi vehicles,
>> including Spyder. On such a low
mileage vehicle like yours the timing
>> belt shouldn't be out of
adjustment / broken already.
> Mitsubishi warranty claim : Changes and
modification made to
> the engine that does include fuel system and
internals as well
> as running the engine out of its specs violates any
warranty
> provided by Mitsubishi Motors Corporation.
In Europe
that might apply, but in the US there are laws that protect
consumers from
automakers voiding warranties flat-out. If the part that
failed is not
directly affected by other modifications, the manufacturer
must honor their
warranty. If the timing belt tensioner failed, causing the
belt to skip
a tooth then Mitsubishi should honor the warranty on that part
and the
subsequent damage it caused.
> The car runs out of it's specs as well
as some mods have been
> done. The timing belt slippage is normally not
affected by
> the mods but during the work one could have been
made
> something wrong and Mitsubishi is not willing to pay for
any
> mechanics bad work. This is clear as the guy simply could
>
have attached the belt with just too less tourque !
The problem with this
resoning is that the guy who would've screwed up the
timing belt would have
been a MITSUBISHI factory worker. The car has only
19,000 miles on
it! I'm pretty sure the timing belt wouldn't have been
touched since it
left the factory. You wouldn't mess with it just for kicks
- - it is a
chore to even get at it! Of course, this all assumes that it
is
actually the timing belt that is the problem.
> After reading
your posts again, I doubt that the belt has
> jumped and I more belive in
the fact you runned lean
> enough that caused the piston to break or...
the same
> liek happend to me lately ... that there must be a big
>
bubble of that caused an overheat situation at only one
> cyl. And #1 only
breaks if there is a serious problem
> (enough cooling there.) Strange...
I'd liek to
> see the heads off :) Have the digicam ready for us.
I
agree with you there... The timing belt jumping is reasonably
unlikely,
but not unheard of. Could be a hole in a piston - that'd be
one way to get
zero compression. However, with a hole in a piston I'd
think the other 5
cylinders would be able to start the car. I don't
know, luckily I haven't
been down that road...
- -Matt
'95 3000GT
Spyder VR4
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:14:51
+1200
From: Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: GTO vs GT
> For all practical purposes they are the same
car.
You missed the most important feature... the "fog" lights
can be
turned on and off at will (the main headlamps are
not required to be
on) :)
There are a few other little cosmetic differences,
like
the colour of the indicators, etc. It should also be noted
that
many early VR4's came with 16" wheels and cloth seats
(leather and 17", and
sunroofs were options), which suited
me just find as I don't particularly
like leather seats.
A front, rear and interior view of a '91 GT0-VR4 can
be
found at the following:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8443/Images_Gto_gto_front-l.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8443/Images_Gto_gto_rear-l.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8443/Images_Gto_gto_dash-l.jpg
Cheers,
Kevin
Clark
'91 GTO-VR4
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:17:02
-0400
From: "LabRat" <labrat101@home.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Transfer case help please?
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My
transfer case has been leaking oil. I had it checked a week ago and
I
was told it was full\topped off, Anyway I drive home fine with no
problems
but tonight went to go for a ride and couldnt move the
car.
Clutch seems fine, when I engage the clutch it seems as if
the car has its
brakes on, it trys to move but dosent want to,
There are some god awful
noises coming from the transmission\ transfer case
area. metal to metal
squeeks and groans and metalic
pings
I can shift fine.
The car trys to move but something is
grabbing \ stopping it.
I cannot get under the car to check the
transfer case fluids and it surely
is not going to be driven the way it is.
Does this problem sound familiar to anyone?
Suggestions?
On a side note I just had the engine
rebuilt and installed a couple weeks
ago, There was NO transfer case leak
prior to this and the shop guys said it
was minor and they had tightened the
bolts up.
Thanks,
J Couture
labrat101@home.com
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:40:20
-0400
From: "LabRat" <labrat101@home.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Transfer case help please (plain text-sorry)
My transfer case has been
leaking oil. I had it checked a week ago and I
was told it was
full\topped off, Anyway I drive home fine with no problems
but tonight
went to go for a ride and couldnt move the car.
Clutch seems
fine, when I engage the clutch it seems as if the car has its
brakes
on, it trys to move but dosent want to, There are some god
awful
noises coming from the transmission\ transfer case
area. metal to metal
squeeks and groans and metalic
pings
I can shift fine.
The car trys to move but something is grabbing \
stopping it.
I cannot get under the car to check the transfer case
fluids and it surely
is not going to be driven the way it is.
Does
this problem sound familiar to anyone?
Suggestions?
On a side
note I just had the engine rebuilt and installed a couple weeks
ago, There
was NO transfer case leak prior to this and the shop guys said it
was minor
and they had tightened the bolts up.
Thanks,
J Couture
labrat101@home.com
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#244
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team3s
Thursday, August 24
2000 Volume 01
: Number
245
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Date:
Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:44:29 -0400
From: "LabRat" <labrat101@home.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Transfer case help please?
- -----Original Message-----
From:
Rick [mailto:melvin@gamewood.net]
Sent:
Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:37 PM
To: labrat101@home.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Transfer case help please?
>Is this a T/T car? If not it's
probably the 5th gear nut thing.Let me?
>know,I've
>been there on
the N/A cars,and if it hasen't gone too far there is an easy
Yes it is a
92 TT, everything with the tranny seems ok? Its like something
after
the clutch \ Tranny is locking or grabbing , Transfer case?
Diff ?
I am lost here
J Couture
92 TT
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:39:51
-0700
From: "Chad Beeder" <syzygy@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
Are these TSBs available to
look at online anywhere? Some of the titles
sound interesting and I'd
like to read more about them.
Chad
93 VR4
- ----- Original
Message -----
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
To:
"Team3S (E-mail)" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mitsubishi Motors to
expand recall
> ... and for those of you who want to search for
your specific car then
> follow this link ...
>
> http://www.alldata.com/recalls/
<http://www.alldata.com/recalls/>
>
>
>
--Flash!
> dschilberg@freemarkets.com
>
>
3Si #577
> 1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
> http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
>
http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com> - "Car pictures"
then "Readers'
> 4" page
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Schilberg, Darren [mailto:DSchilberg@freemarkets.com]
>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:04 PM
> To: Team3S (E-mail)
>
Subject: Team3S: Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
>
> Has anyone
been affected by this? Here is a link to some TSBs and
Recalls.
>
Be smart and make sure your Mitsu has been fixed for all recalls
if
needed.
>
> --Flash!
> dschilberg@freemarkets.com
>
>
3Si #577
> 1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
> http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
>
http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com> - "Car pictures"
then "Readers'
> 4" page
>
> + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = +
= + = + = + = + =
>
> Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
> By
Mitsuo Suzuki
>
> TOKYO, Aug 17 (Reuters) - Mitsubishi Motors Corp
is likely to expand a
> vehicle recall linked to a cover-up of consumer
complaints after an
internal
> probe found the cover-up was more
widespread than thought, Japanese media
> reported on
Thursday.
>
> Mitsubishi Motors , Japan's fourth-biggest automaker,
will add more than
> 50,000 cars and trucks to its planned recall, pushing
the total above
> 580,000, Jiji news agency reported.
>
> A
spokesman for the automaker was unable to confirm the report,
adding
that
> the results of the internal investigation, including
measures to improve
> internal controls and penalize those responsible for
the cover-up, would
be
> released next week.
>
> The
scandal has sparked modest losses in Mitsubishi Motors' share
price,
but
> analysts warned a bigger decline may be
looming.
>
> "The share price has been slow to react to this news
but there will be a
> serious impact soon," Merrill Lynch analyst Takaki
Nakanishi said.
>
> Mitsubishi's shares ended Thursday's trade at
448 yen ($4.13), down seven
> percent from Monday's close but still well
above both the intraday low of
> 388 yen hit shortly after the scandal
broke in July and the year's low of
> 305 yen hit in
January.
>
> Mitsubishi said on July 18 it would recall 514,000
vehicles in Japan at a
> cost of five billion yen ($46.10 million) after
it was learned the company
> had hidden a large number of consumer
complaints from Transport Ministry
> officials since 1992. The recall
figure was later raised to 530,000.
>
>
>
> PROBE
UNCOVERS WIDER COVER-UP
>
> Thursday's Jiji report, quoting unnamed
sources, said an internal
> investigation had uncovered additional
complaints that had been hidden
from
> government authorities, and at
least two separate divisions within the
> company were
involved.
>
> The day before, the Yomiuri Shimbun said the cover-up
dated back to the
> launch of Mitsubishi Motors' recall system in
1969.
>
> Mitsubishi Motors President Katsuhiko Kawasoe, appointed
chief executive
in
> late 1997 to clean up the company's image after
his predecessor stepped
down
> amid a racketeer payoff scandal, told
business daily Nihon Keizai Shimbun
> his own salary would be cut and
other officials would also be held
> accountable for the
scandal.
>
> Although both the Transport Ministry and the company
have said they had no
> evidence senior management was involved in or
aware of the cover-up, the
> scandal has raised doubts about the
struggling automaker's reform program,
> including a drive to cut costs
and debt levels.
>
> "The biggest problem at Mitsubishi is that it
failed to make the progress
> planned in its reforms, and if Kawasoe ends
up resigning there'll be no
> proper successor in the company," Merrill
Lynch's Nakanishi said.
>
> In May, Mitsubishi forecast its group
net loss would triple in the
business
> year to next March to 70
billion yen, although this was due mainly to
> covering retirement benefit
liabilities.
>
> Analysts have also said they doubted the scandal
would interfere with
> Mitsubishi's alliance with DaimlerChrysler AG
(NYSE:DCX - news) , which
> agreed in March to acquire a 34 percent stake
in the Japanese carmaker.
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:47:00
-0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
Our very own page, http://3000gt.com/tsbs.htm <http://3000gt.com/tsbs.htm> ,
has
some, but the recalls are in progress for most years. Many pages
have
these listed, but not many have the details. Our page has 1991 and
1992
recalls listed. Best of luck.
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com
3Si
#577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Chad Beeder [mailto:syzygy@eskimo.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, August 23, 2000 22:40
To: Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
Are these TSBs available to look at
online anywhere? Some of the titles
sound interesting and I'd like to
read more about them.
Chad
93 VR4
- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
To:
"Team3S (E-mail)" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mitsubishi Motors to
expand recall
> ... and for those of you who want to search for
your specific car then
> follow this link ...
>
> http://www.alldata.com/recalls/
<http://www.alldata.com/recalls/>
>
>
>
--Flash!
> dschilberg@freemarkets.com
>
>
3Si #577
> 1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
> http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
>
http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com> - "Car pictures"
then "Readers'
> 4" page
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Schilberg, Darren [mailto:DSchilberg@freemarkets.com]
>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:04 PM
> To: Team3S (E-mail)
>
Subject: Team3S: Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
>
> Has anyone
been affected by this? Here is a link to some TSBs and
Recalls.
>
Be smart and make sure your Mitsu has been fixed for all recalls
if
needed.
>
> --Flash!
> dschilberg@freemarkets.com
>
>
3Si #577
> 1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
> http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi
>
http://www.3kgt.com <http://www.3kgt.com> - "Car pictures"
then "Readers'
> 4" page
>
> + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = +
= + = + = + = + =
>
> Mitsubishi Motors to expand recall
> By
Mitsuo Suzuki
>
> TOKYO, Aug 17 (Reuters) - Mitsubishi Motors Corp
is likely to expand a
> vehicle recall linked to a cover-up of consumer
complaints after an
internal
> probe found the cover-up was more
widespread than thought, Japanese media
> reported on
Thursday.
>
> Mitsubishi Motors , Japan's fourth-biggest automaker,
will add more than
> 50,000 cars and trucks to its planned recall, pushing
the total above
> 580,000, Jiji news agency reported.
>
> A
spokesman for the automaker was unable to confirm the report,
adding
that
> the results of the internal investigation, including
measures to improve
> internal controls and penalize those responsible for
the cover-up, would
be
> released next week.
>
> The
scandal has sparked modest losses in Mitsubishi Motors' share
price,
but
> analysts warned a bigger decline may be
looming.
>
> "The share price has been slow to react to this news
but there will be a
> serious impact soon," Merrill Lynch analyst Takaki
Nakanishi said.
>
> Mitsubishi's shares ended Thursday's trade at
448 yen ($4.13), down seven
> percent from Monday's close but still well
above both the intraday low of
> 388 yen hit shortly after the scandal
broke in July and the year's low of
> 305 yen hit in
January.
>
> Mitsubishi said on July 18 it would recall 514,000
vehicles in Japan at a
> cost of five billion yen ($46.10 million) after
it was learned the company
> had hidden a large number of consumer
complaints from Transport Ministry
> officials since 1992. The recall
figure was later raised to 530,000.
>
>
>
> PROBE
UNCOVERS WIDER COVER-UP
>
> Thursday's Jiji report, quoting unnamed
sources, said an internal
> investigation had uncovered additional
complaints that had been hidden
from
> government authorities, and at
least two separate divisions within the
> company were
involved.
>
> The day before, the Yomiuri Shimbun said the cover-up
dated back to the
> launch of Mitsubishi Motors' recall system in
1969.
>
> Mitsubishi Motors President Katsuhiko Kawasoe, appointed
chief executive
in
> late 1997 to clean up the company's image after
his predecessor stepped
down
> amid a racketeer payoff scandal, told
business daily Nihon Keizai Shimbun
> his own salary would be cut and
other officials would also be held
> accountable for the
scandal.
>
> Although both the Transport Ministry and the company
have said they had no
> evidence senior management was involved in or
aware of the cover-up, the
> scandal has raised doubts about the
struggling automaker's reform program,
> including a drive to cut costs
and debt levels.
>
> "The biggest problem at Mitsubishi is that it
failed to make the progress
> planned in its reforms, and if Kawasoe ends
up resigning there'll be no
> proper successor in the company," Merrill
Lynch's Nakanishi said.
>
> In May, Mitsubishi forecast its group
net loss would triple in the
business
> year to next March to 70
billion yen, although this was due mainly to
> covering retirement benefit
liabilities.
>
> Analysts have also said they doubted the scandal
would interfere with
> Mitsubishi's alliance with DaimlerChrysler AG
(NYSE:DCX - news) , which
> agreed in March to acquire a 34 percent stake
in the Japanese carmaker.
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:17:41
-0700
From: Richard <radanc@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Fuel/Air Management Mods
Hi Guys,
I am at the stage of upgrading
to larger injectors, fuel pump, and VPC.
Seems Many of you mention
problems with idle, getting the tuning and
mixtures correct, etc.. My
question is... given I generally commute (but
fast) in my car. Does
practical daily driving become too difficult with
these mods? I know it is
necessary to crank the boost up with larger
turbos eventually, but this does
concern me a bit.
Rich
92 Stealth TT
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:25:25
-0600
From: "Manoj Prasad-Uswest" <mprasad@uswest.net>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Transfer case help please?
Sorry to hear that.
It sounds
exactly like the output shaft splines are shot. I had mine done
and it
was around $2000.00 to have it fixed at a tranny shop. Parts were
around
$700.00 the rest was labor. While they had everything out I had them
do the
clutch for about $400.00. They did not charge me labor for the
clutch
because they had the old one out anyway.
Rgds
Moe
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From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of LabRat
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 6:44 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Transfer case help please?
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Rick [mailto:melvin@gamewood.net]
Sent:
Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:37 PM
To: labrat101@home.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Transfer case help please?
>Is this a T/T car? If not it's
probably the 5th gear nut thing.Let me?
>know,I've
>been there on
the N/A cars,and if it hasen't gone too far there is an easy
Yes it is a
92 TT, everything with the tranny seems ok? Its like something
after
the clutch \ Tranny is locking or grabbing , Transfer case?
Diff ?
I am lost here
J Couture
92 TT
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:10:08
-0400 (EDT)
From: jason_4369@webtv.net (Jason &
Nancy)
Subject: Team3S: SRS Computer
Where is our SRS computer and is
there a wire we can cut to make our SRS
light go off? Or does the bulb have
to come out of the dash? Next ?? has
anybody had any problems with melting
lens after doing the "Snake Eyes"
trick on there 1st gen. cars??? I was
considering doing that this
weekend. Thanks again for any
help!!
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:16:18
-0700
From: "Steve Cooper" <scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject:
Re: Team3S:LPG
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
To: Steve
Cooper <scooper@paradise.net.nz>; Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Wednesday, 23 August 2000 04:12
Subject: Re:
Team3S:LPG
>
>>has anyone thought about converting to
LPG.
>>Its half the price of petrol here.
>>Its about 110
octane,
>>Its clean burning,and I believe that with modern
conversions,it can be
>>injected ,just like petrol
>
>I
can't say in english but it is too "dry" to use it in "normal"
engines
This was only in the 'old days' before unleaded gas, because it
used to
cause premature recession of the valve seats. Now that we have
Unleaded gas,
the valve seats are hardened and LPG is no dryer than Unleaded
gas.
>and washes out the cylinders causing more danger for piston-ring
failures
>(like injecting too much alcohol !).
It can't was the
cylinders out because it immediatly turns to gas, it has an
extreme cooling
effect.
Also you cannot get the same amount of
>energy out of
it than from petrol. Maybe a mixture is ok.
Correct, but you can run
much higher boost and that should compensate for
it.
>
Steve
Cooper
>Roger
>93'3000GT TT
>www.rtec.ch
>
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:10:24
-0700
From: "Steve Cooper" <scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: ARC setup (was : Need Help)
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date:
Wednesday, 23 August 2000 04:05
Subject: Re: Team3S: ARC setup (was : Need
Help)
> > I,ve had the ARC 2 in my car for about 3 months.I
couldn't get it to run
> > properly.The arm 1 wouldn't work either
which didn't help.After a new o2
> > sensor ,the arm 1
worked
>
>But when you have a faulty O2 sensor, this has nothing to
do with the ARC
>nor the ARM ! What about the second O2 sensor
???
The O2 sensor drives the ARM and when the O2 sensor is faulty the
ARM gives
either no reading or incorrect reading.
>
> > but I
still thought the ARC 2 was wired wrong
> > because the accel knob
didnt do anything.after experimentation I found
out
> > that accel
changed the mixture when off idle.
>
>What revision of the ARC
?
>
Its only 4 months old. So I guess its the latest.
>
> The tps switch voltages were
> > correct at 0 volts idle and I
think 4 or somthing off idle.
>
>Measured with the ARC attached
?
>
The ARC does not effect the TPS voltages.
> > My
ARC 2
> > therefore hes the tps lead working back to front.I wired a
transistor
into
> > the lead to act as an inverter and it works much
better now,I can
actually
> > use accel to set the idle mixture as
per instructions.The question is,is
my
> > ARC2 faulty,are others
faulty,or is there just a strap inside the thing
to
> > invert the
accel lead.
>
>It works better with the inverted signal but one can
do this in the ARC
>itselfs. It didn't help me as the IPS voltage got
heavily dropped so
>adjusting the TPS to below 0.5V was the best. The
transistor is a smarter
>solution :)
>
So how can it be done
in the ARC itself?
When you suggest adjusting the TPS to below 0.5, do you
mean the TP sensor
or the TP switch? (idle switch)
> > I still
havn't got it perfect.If its set up perfect for mid and low its
a
>
> bit lean at flat out.I guess its time to fit those bigger
injectors
>
>So what injectors do you have and what boost do you run
on ? You can't say
>"not perfect" when you just installed it with stock
injectors and run too
>much boost !
>
I've got stock injectors
and hybrid turbos (compressors from Mirage Cyborg)
running 15psi max but the
tubos will hold 12psi to red line.
> > PS Mine is from Japan,they
only use one o2 sensor
>
>No, this is not possible ! They always
have two O2 sensors, also the
>Japanese ones. If you had a fried O2 sensor
I'd suggest to test the second
one.
Sorry Roger, all japanese
GTO's only use one O2 sensor and it is located
under the car where the two
exhaust pipes join together (at least the first
generation cars
do)
>
Steve from downunder
>Roger... from the other side
of the earth (Switzerland)
>93'3000GT TT
>www.rtec.ch
>
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:45:31
-0000
From: "Sue Smith" <saintsue@netzero.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Roger do you have the AAM dyno sheet copied yet?
I know a while
back you said that someone sent you a copy of their dyno
sheet. You
said the curve was interesting. Do you have this up somewhere?
I
checked your website, but did not find it there.
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:07:40
-0500
From: "Jeff" <spydervr4@home.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Fuel/Air Management Mods
Once I got the correct chip for my VPC,
it works great. When the car is
cold, throttle response is a little
slow and I get the occasional stumble,
but nothing that bothers me very
much. I'm actually very surprised that
there are that people complain
about the VPC so much.
jeff
'95 Mitsubishi Spyder VR-4
'90
Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
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From:
"Richard" <radanc@home.com>
Cc:
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel/Air Management
Mods
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am at the stage of upgrading to
larger injectors, fuel pump, and VPC.
> Seems Many of you mention
problems with idle, getting the tuning and
> mixtures correct, etc.. My
question is... given I generally commute (but
> fast) in my car.
Does practical daily driving become too difficult with
> these mods?
I know it is necessary to crank the boost up with larger
> turbos
eventually, but this does concern me a bit.
>
> Rich
> 92
Stealth TT
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:20:04
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: ARC setup (was : Need Help)
>The O2 sensor drives the ARM
and when the O2 sensor is faulty the ARM gives
>either no reading or
incorrect reading.
Hehe,yes I know this for sure. But is the second O2
sensor ok ? This was my
question.
> > > The tps switch
voltages were
> > > correct at 0 volts idle and I think 4 or
somthing off idle.
> >
> >Measured with the ARC attached
?
> >
>
>The ARC does not effect the TPS
voltages.
No, not the TPS voltage but the IPS voltage ! Again, is the IPS
voltage
measured with the ARC attached or not ? Sorry for being that unclear
in my
questions !
> >It works better with the inverted signal
but one can do this in the ARC
> >itselfs.
>So how can it be done
in the ARC itself?
If you have the latest version it is already
done.
>When you suggest adjusting the TPS to below 0.5, do you mean
the TP sensor
>or the TP switch? (idle switch)
TPS is TPS and IPS
is IPS and both are related together. When adjusting the
TPS the IPS is also
adjusted and the behaviour when opening the throttle is
important.
>I've got stock injectors and hybrid turbos
(compressors from Mirage Cyborg)
>running 15psi max but the tubos will
hold 12psi to red line.
13g ones with stock injectors ... ok. Worked for
me several months (the
whole winter) without major
problems)
>Sorry Roger, all japanese GTO's only use one O2 sensor and
it is located
>under the car where the two exhaust pipes join together (at
least the first
>generation cars do)
So, have you checked for the
other "possible" sensors in the O2 sensor
housings (flanged to the turbos
exhaust outlet) ? It sounds to me like you
really have a late 1990 model as
the Sigma engines just got the turbos then
and one O2 sensor in the downpipe
was used. I wouldn't be surprised if you
tell me that it is only a FWD with
turbos ;-) I wonder how the exhaust
flange to the turbo looks like in the
rear ! It is even possible that your
car doesn't have precats at all. Can
you check this (pics would help, hehe).
BTW, I had to open also the lower
screw of the TPS to be able to adjust the
voltage to lower than 0.5V. The
voltage has been measured with the
datalogger directly from the ECUs
readings.
Good luck
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:34:28
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S:LPG
> Also you cannot get the same amount of
>
>energy out of it than from petrol. Maybe a mixture is
ok.
>
>
>Correct, but you can run much higher boost and that
should compensate for
>it.
Not really, as the higher boost the more
the discharge temperature and the
higher the intake temp. Of course you can
crank up boost but you will run
into fuel cut and too lean situations soon
if the fuel system is not upgraded.
It may help to mix with gas (isn't
this a chemical bomb, hehe) but the
upgrade path must already been done. Why
not being the guinea-pig and
trying this out for the next 10k miles
??
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:58:04
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: SRS Computer
The SRS diagnostic unit is located under the cup
holder part of the
center console. Working with the SRS components is
complicated and
possibly dangerous. If you attempt any work yourself you
should use
the instructions found in the manuals.
Jeff Lucius, 3SI
#476
Stealth 316
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To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Thursday, August 24, 2000 12:10 AM
Subject: Team3S: SRS Computer
Where
is our SRS computer and is there a wire we can cut to make our
SRS light go
off? Or does the bulb have to come out of the dash? Next
?? has anybody had
any problems with melting lens after doing the
"Snake Eyes" trick on there
1st gen. cars??? I was considering doing
that this weekend. Thanks again for
any help!!
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:03:33
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Fuel/Air Management Mods
You already have "larger" turbos
right? Without the turbos you don't
need that other stuff. Assuming you have
15G or larger turbos, then
550s and "Supra" or "HKS" fuel pump would be in
order, but not
required. The ARC2 is the cheapest, easiest, and most natural
way to
manage the new fuel setup plus any other performance mods you do
to
the engine.
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From: "Richard" <radanc@home.com>
Cc: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, August 23, 2000 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel/Air Management
Mods
Hi Guys,
I am at the stage of upgrading to larger injectors,
fuel pump, and
VPC. Seems Many of you mention problems with idle, getting
the tuning
and mixtures correct, etc.. My question is... given I
generally
commute (but fast) in my car. Does practical daily driving
become
too difficult with these mods? I know it is necessary to crank
the
boost up with larger turbos eventually, but this does concern me
a
bit.
Rich
92 Stealth
TT
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:28:49
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Transfer case help please?
Can you roll the car with the
trany in neutral? If the car will not
roll, to isolate the problem you will
have to disconnect the transfer
case from the transaxle then test again,
possibly with the car in the
air so front and rear axles can be tested
independently.
To check the transfer case oil level you will probably
have to jack
the car up and place four stands under it or blocks under all
the
wheels to raise it up and still remain level. The oil level should
be
no more than 0.5 inch below the front fill plug. The transfer case
only
holds 0.29 quart of oil! The most likely seal that could have
been damaged
during your engine replacement is at the back of the
case where the propeller
shaft slides onto/into it. Is this where it
is leaking at? If the oil level
is fine, it is also possible that the
oil leak is from the engine and is just
dripping across the transfer
case or the leak is the driver's side driveshaft
seal on the
transaxle. This seal could also have been damaged when the engine
was
out.
Hmmm, the mechanics said they "tightened the bolts up"? Which
bolts
are these?
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From: "LabRat" <labrat101@home.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, August 23, 2000 6:17 PM
Subject: Team3S: Transfer case help
please?
My transfer case has been leaking oil. I had it checked a
week ago
and I was told it was full\topped off, Anyway I drive home
fine with
no problems but tonight went to go for a ride and couldnt move
the
car.
Clutch seems fine, when I engage the clutch it seems as
if the car
has its brakes on, it trys to move but dosent want to,
There are
some god awful noises coming from the transmission\ transfer
case
area. metal to metal squeeks and groans and
metalic pings
I can shift fine. The car trys to move but
something is grabbing \
stopping it.
I cannot get under the car to
check the transfer case fluids and it
surely is not going to be driven the
way it is.
Does this problem sound familiar to anyone?
Suggestions?
On a side note I just had the engine
rebuilt and installed a couple
weeks ago, There was NO transfer case leak
prior to this and the shop
guys said it was minor and they had tightened the
bolts up.
Thanks,
J Couture
labrat101@home.com
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:08:35
-0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: SRS Computer
SRS computer is under the center storage
console.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Jason & Nancy wrote:
> Where
is our SRS computer and is there a wire we can cut to make our SRS
> light
go off? Or does the bulb have to come out of the dash? Next ?? has
>
anybody had any problems with melting lens after doing the "Snake Eyes"
>
trick on there 1st gen. cars??? I was considering doing that this
>
weekend. Thanks again for any help!!
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:38:05
-0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Transfer case help please?
Jeff gave great instructions for
checking the transfer case. Just see if the
car rolls in neutral.
If it doesn't, it is either the transfer case or rear
differential. If
it is indeed the transfer case, you can buy a refurbished unit
(new
shaft, bearings, seals) from MD Auto in San Diego, 619-390-0450, for
about
$850. It is an easy DIY replacement and should only take an hour
or so of
labor. It pains me to see Moe spent $2K to have his fixed
:(. Please, before
you spend any money on your car, run the problem by
this list...you'll save big
bucks and many headaches.
> My transfer
case has been leaking oil. I had it checked a week ago and I
> was
told it was full\topped off, Anyway I drive home fine with no
problems
> but tonight went to go for a ride and couldnt move the
car.
>
> Clutch seems fine, when I engage the clutch it seems
as if the car has its
> brakes on, it trys to move but dosent want
to, There are some god awful
> noises coming from the transmission\
transfer case area. metal to metal
> squeeks and
groans and metalic pings
> I can shift fine.
> The car trys to
move but something is grabbing \ stopping it.
> I cannot get
under the car to check the transfer case fluids and it surely
> is not
going to be driven the way it is.
> Does this problem sound familiar
to anyone?
> Suggestions?
>
> On a side note I just had
the engine rebuilt and installed a couple weeks
> ago, There was NO
transfer case leak prior to this and the shop guys said it
> was minor and
they had tightened the bolts up.
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:24:24
-0400
From: "LabRat" <labrat101@home.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Transfer case help please?
- -----Original Message-----
From:
owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of Jeff Lucius
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:29 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Transfer case help please?
>Can you roll the car with
the trany in neutral?
No
> The most likely seal that could
have
>been damaged during your engine replacement is at the back of
the
>case where the propeller shaft slides onto/into it. Is this where
it
>is leaking at?
I dont know where exactly it is leaking from, I
think they thought it was
coming from the case itself.
>If the oil
level is fine, it is also possible that the
>oil leak is from the engine
and is just dripping across the transfer
>case
No, its definitly gear
lube. I can smell it.
>Hmmm, the mechanics said they "tightened the
bolts up"? Which bolts
>are these?
From what I saw it was the bolts on
the drivers side of the transfercase.
it looks like a plate or cover
there?
Thanks,
J Couture
92 TT (parked )
Jeff Lucius, 3SI
#476
Stealth 316
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----- Original Message -----
From: "LabRat" <labrat101@home.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Wednesday, August 23, 2000 6:17 PM
Subject: Team3S: Transfer case help
please?
My transfer case has been leaking oil. I had it checked a
week ago
and I was told it was full\topped off, Anyway I drive home
fine with
no problems but tonight went to go for a ride and couldnt move
the
car.
Clutch seems fine, when I engage the clutch it seems as
if the car
has its brakes on, it trys to move but dosent want to,
There are
some god awful noises coming from the transmission\ transfer
case
area. metal to metal squeeks and groans and
metalic pings
I can shift fine. The car trys to move but
something is grabbing \
stopping it.
I cannot get under the car to
check the transfer case fluids and it
surely is not going to be driven the
way it is.
Does this problem sound familiar to
anyone?
Suggestions?
On a side note I just had the engine
rebuilt and installed a couple
weeks ago, There was NO transfer case leak
prior to this and the shop
guys said it was minor and they had tightened the
bolts up.
Thanks,
J Couture
labrat101@home.com
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