team3s
Monday, August 21
2000
Volume 01 : Number
239
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Date:
Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:32:33 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <
beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Engine flooded with fuel...
The plugs are more than likely fouled.
Remove them and replace with new
ones, properly gapped for your
application. The engine should fire right up
after that is
done.
It is highly unlikely that any damage was
done.
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
> Hi Everybody..
>
> Yesterday one of my
IC piping blew off while I was
> driving.. its was the piping that
connects to the IC
> behind the front bumper so I didnt catch it
right
> away.. had the car towed home..
>
> Anyways.. I tried
to start the engine and of course it
> wouldn't idle right.. it would die
after a second or
> two.. thinking it was some sort of a fuel
starve
> problem.. i begun pumping fuel while starting the
>
engine.. I turned the ARC unit to rich.. etc.. after a
> while.. the
engine would not fire up anymore!
>
> After more cafeful
inspection.. found the IC piping
> behind the bumper came off.. so I fixed
it.. but the
> engine would not fire up at all! The engine
would
> turn when I try to start it.. but it won't fire up.. I
> am
told that my engine is probably flooded with fuel..
> and to leave it
overnight and it would probably be
> able to start the next day when the
flooded fuel
> evaporates/or goes away..
>
> Well.. this is
the next day.. the engine still won't
> fire up~
>
> Anyone
know what to do now? Wait another day??
>
> Would I have
damaged anything??
>
> Any help is appreciated!!
Thanks!
>
> /George
> '92 RT TT
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:37:03
-0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo <
amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: Engine flooded with fuel...
Barry,
Thanks.
I just
replaced the plugs last week with HKS
Iridiums.. no possible way they can be
saved?? Spent a
fortune on them! =(
/George
- --- "Barry E. King"
<
beking@home.com> wrote:
> The
plugs are more than likely fouled. Remove them
> and replace with
new
> ones, properly gapped for your application. The
> engine
should fire right up
> after that is done.
>
> It is highly
unlikely that any damage was done.
>
>
> Barry
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > Hi
Everybody..
> >
> > Yesterday one of my IC piping blew off
while I was
> > driving.. its was the piping that connects to
the
> IC
> > behind the front bumper so I didnt catch it
right
> > away.. had the car towed home..
> >
> >
Anyways.. I tried to start the engine and of
> course it
> >
wouldn't idle right.. it would die after a second
> or
> > two..
thinking it was some sort of a fuel starve
> > problem.. i begun
pumping fuel while starting the
> > engine.. I turned the ARC unit to
rich.. etc..
> after a
> > while.. the engine would not fire up
anymore!
> >
> > After more cafeful inspection.. found the
IC
> piping
> > behind the bumper came off.. so I fixed it..
but
> the
> > engine would not fire up at all! The engine
would
> > turn when I try to start it.. but it won't fire
> up..
I
> > am told that my engine is probably flooded with
>
fuel..
> > and to leave it overnight and it would probably be
>
> able to start the next day when the flooded fuel
> > evaporates/or
goes away..
> >
> > Well.. this is the next day.. the engine
still
> won't
> > fire up~
> >
> > Anyone know
what to do now? Wait another day??
> >
> > Would I have
damaged anything??
> >
> > Any help is appreciated!!
Thanks!
> >
> > /George
> > '92 RT TT
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:01:51
-0700
From: "Barry E. King" <
beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S:
Engine flooded with fuel...
Ouch. That'll hurt.
I have
managed to save a few fouled plugs but they don't seem to last very
long once
resurrected, and I only did it when I had no choice. If you
have
access to an electrosonic/electrostatic cleaner you might be able to
get
them to rejuvenate. I haven't tried this before but always wanted
to see
how well or if it worked.
You could pull the front three plugs,
inspect them and then try and clean
them up. The engine will at least
fire if not actually run if you manage to
save them. Depending upon the
success of that you could decide to try and
do the rear bank. For
cleaning, try contact cleaner (zero residue) and a
very small stiff
brush. You need to get the insulator and electrodes as
clean as
possible. If you have a gas lawnmower or something along those
lines
you can easily test them without putting them in the car. Even if
they
spark it doesn't mean they'll be strong enough to keep the car running,
but
at least you'll know they are trying to work.
Best bet is to get a new
set of plugs. You could throw cheaper ones in
there now just to get
running again, and then make further enquiries about
saving the old
ones. Don't count on this happening though. Usually when
they are
fouled, they are useless.
Barry
> -----Original
Message-----
>
> Barry,
>
> Thanks.
>
> I
just replaced the plugs last week with HKS
> Iridiums.. no possible way
they can be saved?? Spent a
> fortune on them! =(
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:08:13
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Engine flooded with fuel...
> Yesterday one of my IC
piping blew off while I was
> driving..
Uups, not properly clamped
or the IC piping do not have the a small bed at
the front to prevent slippage
:(
> Anyways.. I tried to start the engine and of course it
>
wouldn't idle right.. it would die after a second or
> two..
Stupid
question : you reconnected the IC piping, did you ? What about any
bad stuff
sucked into the IC core ??
> After more cafeful inspection.. found the
IC piping
> behind the bumper came off.. so I fixed it.
Ah, ok, all
other pipes ok ?
> am told that my engine is probably flooded with
fuel..
> and to leave it overnight and it would probably be
> able
to start the next day when the flooded fuel
> evaporates/or goes
away..
Even a totally flooded engine will fire up after a few cranks as
the gas
simply is pushed out into the exhaust.
> Would I have
damaged anything??
Hmm, first, check if there is any ignition by
unplugging one wire and lying
the case against ground to see if there is
ignition. When doing this, remove
the connector to the fuel pump relay that
is located just under the ARC (I
guess you have the CD ... a must, you know
!) so the pump will not deliver
any fuel. If this works, then turn the ARC
knobs to the position it worked
before, even one or two clicks leaner in the
LOW (of course the relay is
connected again, hehe). Usually, the only danger
of blowing a pipe off is
that there can get any dirt in it, especially when
yo ucrank it the engine
jsut sucks up the air (unmetered). I also think that
the plugs are not yet
fouled as they only will when the rich mixture also
will be burned and it
doesn't. The Iridium plugs should be ok, but will be
burnt off after not so
many miles. Check them every 5k as I heard people
telling that they are gone
after 10k or max 15k, depending on the amount of
fuel. And our engine need
fuel for cooling !
Let us know about the
ign.
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 23:42:07
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: K&N FIPK vs. Aircharger
> I remember hearing somewhere
that the K&N aircharger for the eclipse
> will fit the stealth/3000GT,
and that it is a better deal and better
> performing than the FIPK for the
stealth/3000gt. Can anyone comment
> from experience here?
-
- Aircharger for 2nd gen DSM wil lfit with a little mod of mounting
bracket
(easy)
- - Aircharger $90, FIPK$150 = better deal
- -
Aircharger is not CARB approved in California
- - Not more performance
gain
Roger
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 23:45:49
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: ECU and Cat Converter question
> and just beginning to eat
through the board! Now, what would you guys do
> with it? Should I go to a
local electronics shop, send it to
> foreignecurepair.com, or buy a whole
used one from a junk yard? Any
> suggestions?
Desolder them, clean
the board and check if the acid already has eaten up
some lines. Good e-shops
should be able to do this, but who knows !
A used one will be still
pretty expensive if not hard to find !
> Secondly, does anyone have
instructions that a layman could follow for
> gutting the pre-cats? I
looked through every 3/S site I could find today
and
> no
luck...=(
Just use a large, huge and long drillbit and a heavy machine !
The most
annoying work o nthe car one can do !
Roger
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:37:41
-0700
From: "Darc" <
wce@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: ECU
and Cat Converter question
Hi Roger, et al;
This question of this
ECU failure brings to mind maintenance of the ECU to
prevent exactly
what has occurred in this situation. Has anyone advise on
intervals to check
it, what to look for and any maintenance procedures that
might be involved.
It seems we service other items on the car regularly but
do nothing with this
until failure occurs. Thoughts.
Best
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:46:34
-0700
From: "Bbizo" <
bbizo@telisphere.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Newbie problems continue?
> It looks like my situation has
changed somewhat today. On my way to work
> today I was going down a
4-lane highway when I started to here a squeaking
> sound. After
about 2 miles I heard a snap and the engine cut off. The
> coolant
temperature started to go up and there was smoke coming from the
> pulley
area. I am starting to think it is the timing belt, which I
>
understand also runs the water pump? Correct me if I am wrong but I
have
> heard that the piston to valve clearance is close enough to cause
some
> serious damage if the cam timing goes south.
Micheal
-
Your water pump froze up, that was your coolant leak we talked
about
earlier. Your timing belt heated up and that is were the smoke came
from. I
dearly hope that it didn't come off or break, because you are right,
it can
really raise hell with your engine. At very least, you need a water
pump and
timing belt. Please keep us up to date on what you
find.
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:08:04
EDT
From: "brandon thomas" <
a3kgtlvr@hotmail.com>
Subject:
[none]
How can i tell if my Vr4 was imported into america from Great
Britian? You
know thoses sticker they put on vechicle imported for Europe
well my car has
one. It looks just like the one on my friends land rover
which he said meant
my car had been in Great Britian. On looking on one of
the 3000gt sites it
said that there wasnt any VR4s made with silver paint
for the American
market in 1992, is this true? I have seen silver 3000gts
but they have more
of a goldish tint and none of them are vr4s.
Also
my car is still backfiring I cant figure it out. I have replaced plugs
and
wires. If you dont remember it only backfires above 4000rpms and full
throtle. If it doesnt backfire it studders and feels like I'm not geting
enough fuel. The engine was just rebuilt and bored out. If it is fuel
related what kind of aftermarket fuel pump do you recomend. I am planning on
upping the boost so a better than stock pump is what im looking for. Thanks
for any help!!
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:09:36
EDT
From: "brandon thomas" <
a3kgtlvr@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: European VR4?? & Backfiring
How can i tell if my Vr4 was
imported into america from Great Britian? You
know thoses sticker they put
on vechicle imported for Europe well my car has
one. It looks just like the
one on my friends land rover which he said meant
my car had been in Great
Britian. On looking on one of the 3000gt sites it
said that there wasnt any
VR4s made with silver paint for the American
market in 1992, is this true? I
have seen silver 3000gts but they have more
of a goldish tint and none of
them are vr4s.
Also my car is still backfiring I cant figure it out. I
have replaced plugs
and wires. If you dont remember it only backfires above
4000rpms and full
throtle. If it doesnt backfire it studders and feels like
I'm not geting
enough fuel. The engine was just rebuilt and bored out. If it
is fuel
related what kind of aftermarket fuel pump do you recomend. I am
planning on
upping the boost so a better than stock pump is what im looking
for. Thanks
for any help!!
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:20:44
-0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo <
amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Engine flooded with fuel...
Barry, Roger,
Thank you guys
for the swift inputs!
Somehow, I managed to fired the engine back up!!
=)
I disconnect what I believe is the fuel pump relay(s)
one on the
passenger side center console.. one in the
engine compartment.. cranked the
engine ALL
afternoon.. was about to try Roger's suggestion and
test the
ignition.. plugged all the relays back..
cranked the engine one last time..
WAHLA~ vroom
vroom!!!
Don't know what I did.. but heck.. atleast
its
running!!
/George
- --- "Roger Gerl (RTEC)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch> wrote:
>
> Yesterday one of my IC piping blew off while I was
> >
driving..
>
> Uups, not properly clamped or the IC piping do
not
> have the a small bed at
> the front to prevent slippage
:(
>
> > Anyways.. I tried to start the engine and of
>
course it
> > wouldn't idle right.. it would die after a second
>
or
> > two..
>
> Stupid question : you reconnected the IC
piping, did
> you ? What about any
> bad stuff sucked into the IC
core ??
>
> > After more cafeful inspection.. found the
IC
> piping
> > behind the bumper came off.. so I fixed
it.
>
> Ah, ok, all other pipes ok ?
>
> > am told
that my engine is probably flooded with
> fuel..
> > and to leave
it overnight and it would probably be
> > able to start the next day
when the flooded fuel
> > evaporates/or goes away..
>
>
Even a totally flooded engine will fire up after a
> few cranks as the
gas
> simply is pushed out into the exhaust.
>
> > Would I
have damaged anything??
>
> Hmm, first, check if there is any
ignition by
> unplugging one wire and lying
> the case against
ground to see if there is ignition.
> When doing this, remove
> the
connector to the fuel pump relay that is located
> just under the ARC
(I
> guess you have the CD ... a must, you know !) so the
> pump
will not deliver
> any fuel. If this works, then turn the ARC knobs
to
> the position it worked
> before, even one or two clicks leaner
in the LOW (of
> course the relay is
> connected again, hehe).
Usually, the only danger of
> blowing a pipe off is
> that there can
get any dirt in it, especially when
> yo ucrank it the engine
> jsut
sucks up the air (unmetered). I also think that
> the plugs are not
yet
> fouled as they only will when the rich mixture also
> will be
burned and it
> doesn't. The Iridium plugs should be ok, but will
be
> burnt off after not so
> many miles. Check them every 5k as I
heard people
> telling that they are gone
> after 10k or max 15k,
depending on the amount of
> fuel. And our engine need
> fuel for
cooling !
>
> Let us know about the ign.
> Roger
>
93'3000GT TT
>
www.rtec.ch>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:09:47
-0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Fuel economy
Simple, Matthew. Shift low in the RPM
range. The lower the better, but I
have a VR-4 so the gearing is
slightly different. 1,000 RPM in 6th is a bit
rattling, but 1,200 is
smooth. This is not the best place for it but
experiment.
On a
recent trip to the Blue Ridge Gathering in Asheville, NC I got over 450
miles
on a tank of gas (might have been about 18.5 gallons of 93 octane) but
that
is over 24 mpg and for a twin turbo car at 4,000 pounds (with luggage
and
extra passenger) that is very good. The trick was cruising
Interstates
in 6th and around 70-75 mph which keeps it out of turbo
range. Killing the
A/C and using the flip-up sunroof kept the sun out
and the circulating air
in. As a comparison I am lucky to break 285
miles with the same gas and
weight in daily commuting the 10 miles to
work.
- --Flash!
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Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One ... and Simpson High Top
shoes
and Sparco gloves from OG Racing
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-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew H. Fogle [
mailto:foglem@t-three.com]
Sent:
Saturday, August 19, 2000 23:49
To:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Team3S: Fuel economy
Does anyone have suggestions on how to drive our
VR4's for better
milage? I got no owners manual with mine so I don't know the
recommened
shift points... Thanks! Oh, it'a a 91 so only 5
speed...
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 01:19:12
EDT
From:
LizVong21@aol.comSubject: Re: Team3S:
Fuel economy
trade it in for a geo
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:55:54
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: European VR4?? & Backfiring
>How can i tell if my Vr4
was imported into america from Great Britian?
On what side is the
steering wheel ???
>On looking on one of the 3000gt sites it said that
there wasnt any VR4s
>made with silver paint for the American market in
1992, is this true? I
>have seen silver 3000gts but they have more of a
goldish tint and none of
>them are vr4s.
In Europe, we never had
silver VR4's bit they were made in that color (both
generations)
>Also my car is still backfiring I cant figure it
out. I have replaced
>plugs and wires. If you dont remember it only
backfires above 4000rpms and
>full throtle. If it doesnt backfire it
studders and feels like I'm not
>geting enough fuel. The engine was just
rebuilt and bored out. If it is
>fuel related what kind of aftermarket
fuel pump do you recomend. I am
>planning on upping the boost so a better
than stock pump is what im
>looking for. Thanks for any
help!!
First get everything fixed, have you already checked the timing
belt and
are cam properly aligned ?
Roger
93'3000GT TT
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:24:37
+0200
From: Roger Gerl <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: ECU and Cat Converter question
>This question of this ECU
failure brings to mind maintenance of the ECU to
>prevent exactly
what has occurred in this situation. Has anyone advise on
>intervals to
check it, what to look for and any maintenance procedures that
>might be
involved. It seems we service other items on the car regularly but
>do
nothing with this until failure occurs. Thoughts.
Hmm, it highly depends
on what quality of the C's have been soldered in. Of
course the best
protection is to unsolder the original ones and to put high
quality closed
ones in it. They should hold longer than anythign else in
the
car.
But removing the ECU is not easy for everyone, especially as the
harness is
filled up with connections to lots of new devices ;-) So it can't
be called
any kind of maintenance. I have two ECUs (European and G-Force)
and noone
of them is showing any bad sign. To be honest, you should check
every
electrical connection and any control unit on a regular basis and we
don't
as it is just too hard to open them or to inspect them.
IMHO,
if something is going weird and finally cannot be counted to anything
else,
it is worth to pull the ECU and to inspect it. Otherwise, leave it as
it
is.
Roger
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Date: 21 Aug 00 06:40:57
MDT
From: Mark Creekmore <
mcreekmore@usa.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Power window and antenae
Yes that was for a dealer to replace the
whole thing. The $60 from Crutchfield
was also for a part to replace the
whole thing and I did the labor myself.
Mark
AABOMB1@aol.com wrote:
>I'm
not sure about the power window problem but you can buy a new power
>antenna from Cructhfield for about $60. I put one in my Maxima and
my
Stealth
>and they work great. It costs about $250 for a
dealer to do it, parts and
>labor.
250 dollars? Umm,
are you takling abou the motor included? Because I bought
the mast for
30 bucks at my local mitsubishi dealer.
AA
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:05:25
+0200
From: Jim Matthews <
jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Fuel economy
"Schilberg, Darren" wrote:
>
> Simple,
Matthew. Shift low in the RPM range. The lower the better, but
I
> have a VR-4 so the gearing is slightly different. 1,000 RPM in
6th is a bit
> rattling, but 1,200 is smooth. This is not the best
place for it but
> experiment.
The lower the better within
reason! Lugging the engine ("rattling") for
extended periods can result
in insufficient oil flow to the bearings. On those
rare occasions when
I'm willing to drive my Stealth like an economy car, I can
manage an average
23-24 mpg by keeping the RPMs to around 2000. This would be
good for
450 miles or so per fillup for those willing to suck the sludge from
the
bottom of their tank, but the cost of replacement fuel filters would
offset
the savings at the pump. ;-)
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K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0
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A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off
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Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline fluids (trans, xfer,
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:15:14
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From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Fuel economy
Touché.
I should have explained
better. On a recent article about the new Porsche
Boxster S it said
that even in 6th gear accelerating from 1,000 rpm is a
smooth
transition. I thought I would try my own experiment on this and
have
found that 1,200 rpm on a 1995 VR-4 with 45k miles is where is begins to
be
smooth. I don't do that regularly so I'm not rattling the car to
death.
As for the 450 miles and running on vapors ... that mileage was
when my wife
the co-driver insisted I stop at a gas station to fill up.
There was still
another 20-30 miles left (since that is what the fuel light
means with its
reserve capacity of about a gallon). I didn't run it dry
so the fuel pump
and any bad icky things at the bottom of the tank weren't
sucked into the
fuel lines.
*sigh* Oh for the days of my 1996 I-4
Accord EX which could get 515 miles on
14.5 gallons in 5th gear. That
was on a trip to Wyoming during the night so
the efficiency was
fantastic.
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com1995
Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK and a Valentine One
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From: Jim Matthews [
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com]
Sent:
Monday, August 21, 2000 11:05 AM
To: Schilberg, Darren
Cc:
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.stSubject:
Re: Team3S: Fuel economy
"Schilberg, Darren" wrote:
>
>
Simple, Matthew. Shift low in the RPM range. The lower the better,
but I
> have a VR-4 so the gearing is slightly different. 1,000 RPM
in 6th is a
bit
> rattling, but 1,200 is smooth. This is not the
best place for it but
> experiment.
The lower the better within
reason! Lugging the engine ("rattling") for
extended periods can result
in insufficient oil flow to the bearings. On
those
rare occasions
when I'm willing to drive my Stealth like an economy car, I
can
manage an
average 23-24 mpg by keeping the RPMs to around 2000. This
would
be
good for 450 miles or so per fillup for those willing to suck the
sludge
from
the bottom of their tank, but the cost of replacement fuel
filters would
offset
the savings at the pump.
;-)
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:38:24
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From: "Jannusch, Matt" <
mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Fuel economy
> I didn't run it dry so the fuel pump and
any bad
> icky things at the bottom of the tank weren't
> sucked
into the fuel lines.
The fuel pump pickup always sucks from the bottom of
the tank, so there's no
difference whether it is full or near-empty.
There's also a filter on the
pump pickup as well, so no problem running the
tank down. Fuel will help
cool the pump, but it seems designed well
enough where it'll run fine
without fuel sloshing around it.
Had the
pump out of my car a week or so ago, and after 5 years and 53,000
miles the
tank is spotless inside and no dirt/sludge/slime.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT
Spyder VR4
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:01:02
CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <
curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: K&N FIPK vs. Aircharger
The Aircharger for the Eclipse
(#63-1000) is $81.50 from CarParts. The FIPK
for the 3/S (#57-1500) is
$117.95 from CarParts. The FIPK has less surface
area, but does come
with a cleaning kit. ($8 value) They mount slightly
different
too. The FIPK comes with a bracket that mounts to one of the MAS
bolts. The Aircharger has a bolt stud coming out of the head of the
cone
that you mount a L bracket too. Both filters will work the exact
same on a
3/S.
I have discount links on my CarParts page to save some
money on these
filters. Go to:
http://www.mn3s.org/car-parts.htmlIf
you buy the Aircharger, use my 1/3rd off discount. If you buy the FIPK,
use the $50 off your first $100. This will make both filters a GREAT
price.
later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org>From: "Roger
Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
>To:
<
team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject:
Re: Team3S: K&N FIPK vs. Aircharger
>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 23:42:07
+0200
>
> > I remember hearing somewhere that the K&N
aircharger for the eclipse
> > will fit the stealth/3000GT, and that it
is a better deal and better
> > performing than the FIPK for the
stealth/3000gt. Can anyone comment
> > from experience
here?
>
>- Aircharger for 2nd gen DSM wil lfit with a little mod of
mounting bracket
>(easy)
>- Aircharger $90, FIPK$150 = better
deal
>- Aircharger is not CARB approved in California
>- Not more
performance gain
>
>Roger
>93'3000GT TT
>
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>
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:24:35
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From: "David B. Kopacz" <
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Subject: RE:
Team3S: Fuel economy
Darren Schilberg wrote:
> I didn't run it
dry so the fuel pump and any bad
> icky things at the bottom of the tank
weren't
> sucked into the fuel lines.
Jannusch, Matt
responded:
MJ> The fuel pump pickup always sucks from the bottom of
the tank, so
MJ> there's no difference whether it is full or
near-empty.
That is true, but it reminds me of a problem I had a few
years ago.
On my old Honda, there was a standpipe in the bottom of the tank
and
you didn't ever get to the last gallon of fuel. This also
helped
protect you from the icky things in the bottom of the tank. Due
to a
design problem with the fill pipe on that car, I got a lot of
rusty
water in my gas tank. Even after replacing the fill pipe,
my
problems weren't over -- the tank still had some water in the bottom.
It eventually rusted through the standpipe and caused no end of
fuel
problems.
After having the gas tank cleaned out twice, replacing
the fuel pump
and both fuel filters once or twice, and having the carburetor
worked
on many times, I finally gave up and donated the car to
charity.
Does anybody know if the Stealth has a standpipe in the gas
tank?
David
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:37:36
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From: "Murat Okcuoglu" <
murat@dellnet.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: European VR4?? & Backfiring
you are
overboosting.
check all your hoses. I am sure one is disconnected or
misconnected, making
the wastegates inoperable.
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From: "brandon thomas" <
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To: <
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Sunday, August 20, 2000 6:09 PM
Subject: Team3S: European VR4?? &
Backfiring
> How can i tell if my Vr4 was imported into america
from Great Britian? You
> know thoses sticker they put on vechicle
imported for Europe well my car
has
> one. It looks just like the one
on my friends land rover which he said
meant
> my car had been in Great
Britian. On looking on one of the 3000gt sites it
> said that there wasnt
any VR4s made with silver paint for the American
> market in 1992, is this
true? I have seen silver 3000gts but they have
more
> of a goldish tint
and none of them are vr4s.
>
> Also my car is still backfiring I
cant figure it out. I have replaced
plugs
> and wires. If you dont
remember it only backfires above 4000rpms and full
> throtle. If it doesnt
backfire it studders and feels like I'm not geting
> enough fuel. The
engine was just rebuilt and bored out. If it is fuel
> related what kind
of aftermarket fuel pump do you recomend. I am planning
on
> upping the
boost so a better than stock pump is what im looking for.
Thanks
> for
any help!!
>
> Brandon Thomas
>
a3kgtlvr@hotmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:52:00
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From: "Schilberg, Darren" <
DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
Team3S: 1995 VR-4 wastegate/blow off valve
Is there only a wastegate on a
stock 1995 VR-4? How would a blow off valve
connect and are they
tunable? I see some that are set to a specific psi but
what if I want
it to open sooner or later?
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com1995
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:00:09
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From: Jeff Lucius <
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Subject:
Re: Team3S: 1995 VR-4 wastegate/blow off valve
On our cars, each
turbocharger has an integral wastgate to allow
exhaust gases to go around the
turbine wheel and on into the exhaust
pipes. There is also one "turbocharger
bypass valve" that attaches to
the main intake hose directly and to the
Y-pipe by a 1" hose. This
bypass valve is often referred to as a blow-off
valve. Other types of
BOVs are located in the exhaust system and has a
function similar to
that of a wastegate or in the intake system as a boost
limiter. We do
not have this type of BOV (in the sense that it was designed
as a
boost controller). Our stock bypass valve is not adjustable, but
some
aftermarket bypass valves/BOVs are. The adjustment determines at
what
differential pressure (between plenum and Y-pipe) the bypass
valve
will open to relieve pressure build-up between throttle body
and
turbos (due to the throttle plate closing).
Jeff Lucius, 3SI
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Stealth 316
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Subject: Team3S: 1995 VR-4 wastegate/blow
off valve
Is there only a wastegate on a stock 1995 VR-4? How would
a blow off
valve connect and are they tunable? I see some that are set
to a
specific psi but what if I want it to open sooner or later?
-
--Flash!
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