team3s            Thursday, August 17 2000            Volume 01 : Number 236




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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:11:55 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OVERBOOST

> Questions for you fine folks:
> *WTF? (The gauge appears to be working perfectly!?)

Verify against another known good gauge.  If it agrees, chances are good
that the boost you read now is reasonably accurate.

> *How can I be boosting these pressures without hitting fuel cut or the
> engine timing retarding?

How do you know the engine timing is not retarding?

Perhaps the engine is not as stock as you think.  Some people with VR4s
tweaked them then undid what they could before selling.

I never hit fuel cut even though I would peak at around 21 PSI when the car
was stock other than filter, exhaust and manual boost control.

You likely don' want to run those boost levels without excellent high octane
fuel and also not for extended periods on a stock engine without adequate
fuel control.  Eventually you will break something very expensive and
tedious to repair, but it will be fun doing it.

There is a plastic 'H' fitting behind the engine between the firewall and
the engine.  This fitting will tell you a lot.  If it is there and is an
'H', it is stock.  If it is a 'T' it is not stock and someone has been in
there.  If it is stock, check it for cracks and leaks.  Also check the small
hoses running all about.  Cracks in some of these can lead to an overboost
condition as you descibe since it can vent the manifold pressure to
atmosphere thereby deferring actuation of the wastegates.

It could well be that someone has installed a manual boost controller.  Find
the fittings coming from the turbos and trace them around and see where they
lead.  That'll tell you a lot.


> *Does the engine light come on when the knock sensors detect pinging?

No.

> *I noticed that the wastegates had adjustments on the rods out of the
> accuators- could they be "unscrewed to the max? I just don't get it.

Maybe.  The rods are adjustable.  Check them and see.

> *What is the connector that is electrical taped to a hose in the
> following picture: http://www.geocities.com/captainrye/VR4.html

That connector is for the front O2 sensor.  Every TT/VR4 has this connector
from '91 on, just not all of them are taped in that particular location.

> *Will I get accurate readings from the location that I hooked up the
> gauge? (Picture also at the avove site)

That location works okay.  You want the pressure on the MANIFOLD side (where
you have it) of the TB not the Y-pipe side.  Reading pressure before the TB
is not the pressure in the manifold (obviously) and therefore not the
pressure the engine actually sees.

> Sorry for the long post--- Any help would be appreciated...
>
> Ryan
> '93 VR4 Pumping 21 pounds of Umph for 4 months and never knowing it.



Barry


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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:14:07 -0400
From: Ken Stanton <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Front wheel clunk (resubmission)

Hello =)

I have very recently started hearing a clunk near my front left wheel.
It is very infrequent, doesn't necessarily need hard braking, but is
common when braking or turning.  It seems as if it 'sets' in one
position, then when I accelerate in the opposite direction, it clunks
again, like it was going back into place...  Example:  I will hear a
clunk while turning, and it will stay that way until I first hit the
brakes.  Or, I will hear it clunk when almost at a stop, then again when
I let off the brake to accelerate.  One tech told me this is ball joints
- - any thoughts?  What does it take to repair?  I'm an engine and tranny
guy, not chassis yet!

Thanks!
Ken Stanton
'91 Pearl White RT/TT
New Getrag, RPS Turbo Clutch
Snake Eyes, K&N, plates 007KEN

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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:30:44 EDT
From: COMETOTHEZOO@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: OVERBOOST

Seems to me that maybe the wastegate has possibly been bypassed altogether. I
understand that we can only make about 23 max PSI with no wastegate at all on
factory turbos (correct me if I am wrong. Without an injector upgrade this is
very bad, most certainly causing timing retardation and possibly detonation.
I have also heard of cars bought where fuel cut has been disabled.

94 3000 VR4
http://hometown.aol.com/cometothezoo/
Mike Murray

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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:36:33 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Off to N'Awlins

I am headed to New Orleans for a week, so if I don't respond to you fine
folks, please forgive. I have some open threads going right now on brake
fixes, a rotor project and assorted off-line conversations, so please don't
think I'm being rude.

I'm shutting down now and won't be back til next Friday.

Yeah, yeah, I know -- New Orleans in August. It wasn't my idea to put a
trade show there in August, but I gotta go.

Nevertheless, I intend to hear all the Dixieland Jazz I can, wander Bourbon
Street to all hours, eat Cajun and Creole food, have beignets every
morning, attend the jazz breakfast at the Court of Two Sisters, go to
Preservation Hall, take the vampire tour...

Last time I was there, I walked into a used bookstore and heard a black
dude and a white dude discussing a book in French. Now that's something you
don't see every day in mainstreet USA.

Gawd, I love the Big Easy.

Please don't respond. I won't be here to hear it, and you'll just clutter
the bandwidth.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4/bye y'all

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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:48:17 EDT
From: PFloyd91@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Bra For 3000GT?

My apologies for posting such a "simple" question, but I have
been to every $%#@ site I can find to try and determine
which bra I want to get for my 95 3000GT.

The only thing I have been able to determine, is that the
Colgan bras are considered the "top-of-the-line". BUT,
there are no pictures anywhere, that I can find on ANY
brand, that actually shows a bra ON a 3000.

I do not plan to have the bra on the car except on the
occasional two/three day trips I take quite often. I am
aware that bras should not be left on much more than
that because of paint damage, etc. I remember the
previous threads on all of that.

If you want, you can email jpgs of your car w/bra, sites with
3000 photos, or other information to me via private email,
in order not to clog the list.

TIA

John H.

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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 06:37:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Stephen C. Kempf" <kempfsc@mail.auburn.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Seem like the twilight zone to me?

About a month ago I posted a question about poor engine performance after
a water pump replacement with the subject " Valve/cam timing, is that the
problem?" Responses from Cody and others were a big help in sorting the
problem which turned out to be an intake cam on the back bank of cylinders
that was 5 teeth off from where it should have been. I went back to the
dealer and discussed the problem with the owner and shop manager who
agreed that there had been a major error that they would have to fix. They
provided a loaner car to drive and when I picked-up my Stealth from them a
few days later, it was again running like it had before the problem began.
The only difference I noticed was a slight jerkiness when I was cruising
at low speed in 2nd gear (sort of like the engine was occasionally
missing; however, this seemed really minor).

Well, it's been about 4 weeks since that repair and up until yesterday the
engine ran well except for the slight jerkiness I mentioned above.
Yesterday, as I was preparing for a long road trip to Cleveland Ohio,
things changed, seemingly instantaneously (the car ran fine on the way
home from the car wash and then started running not so well when I hopped
in for another short trip to the gym). The symptoms were similar to what I
had experienced when the intake cam was 5 teeth off (e.g. lack of power,
missing, louder exhaust note), but were not as bad. Since the symptoms
were similar, I decided to check the cam timing again before I left on my
trip to Cleveland this morning at 4:00 AM. What I found was that the
intake cam on the back bank of cylinders was again off the mark, this time
by 3 teeth. Needless to say, I canceled my trip.

Since the car had been running fine and the change in performance happened
more or less instantaneously, I can only conclude that the belt somehow
slipped on the intake cam. But, how can a belt slip on just one cam. All
the other cams and the crank timing mark were "spot on." The one possible
explanation that I can think of is not a happy one, i.e. the intake valves
on the rear cylinder bank did tap the pistons as a result of the initial
cam timing problem, but ever so slightly, and this slightly bent the valve
stems. Then, somehow, the bent valve stems have been momentarily jamming
the rear intake cam and this has, over time, resulted in the timing belt
slipping and yesterday the slippage got far enough along that it really
became noticeable.

Does this sound plausible? Does anyone else have any idea about how this
slippage could have occurred?

Thanks,

Steve


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:15:16 -0400
From: "Donnelly, Michael" <DonnellM@ctc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Newbie problems continue?

It looks like my situation has changed somewhat today.  On my way to work
today I was going down a 4-lane highway when I started to here a squeaking
sound.  After about 2 miles I heard a snap and the engine cut off.  The
coolant temperature started to go up and there was smoke coming from the
pulley area.  I am starting to think it is the timing belt, which I
understand also runs the water pump?  Correct me if I am wrong but I have
heard that the piston to valve clearance is close enough to cause some
serious damage if the cam timing goes south.  I thinking I probably have a
matched set of pretzel valves (oh boy, $$$$).  The big question is what to
do know? 

Before starting the 2 mile walk to work this morning, I looked up into the
sky and asked 'why me lord'?  A large and majestic hand then came down from
the heavens, pointed at my general location and decreed in no uncertain
terms.  'BECAUSE YOU PISS ME OFF'.

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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:35:42 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Team3S: Seem like the twilight zone to me?

>Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:50:29 +0200
>To: "Stephen C. Kempf" <kempfsc@mail.auburn.edu>
>From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
>Subject: Re: Team3S: Seem like the twilight zone to me?
>
>Yes, this is a very possible theory you noted !
>
>I'd go even further and assume that they probably did not used the proper
>technique to remove the timing belt and initally damaged the valves so
>they are caused a major restriction in the move. Also we don't know if
>they removed the rear cams once and the used the wrong torqueing on the
>bolts on the cam blocks. Als this can cause more moving friction that
>finally may cause the slippeage as well as a too loose and older, worn
>timing belt !
>
>Well, they have to do a leaking test on all cyls in the rear to find out
>if the valves are slightly bent ! Also when the timing belt is off, the
>cam should be moved by hand and the whole cam must be inspected for
>grooves where the rollers are sitting on.
>
>In either way, it's a big mistake from the dealer and they have to fix it
>for sure !
>
>Good luck
>Roger
>93'3000GT TT
>www.rtec.ch
>
>>Since the car had been running fine and the change in performance happened
>>more or less instantaneously, I can only conclude that the belt somehow
>>slipped on the intake cam. But, how can a belt slip on just one cam. All
>>the other cams and the crank timing mark were "spot on." The one possible
>>explanation that I can think of is not a happy one, i.e. the intake valves
>>on the rear cylinder bank did tap the pistons as a result of the initial
>>cam timing problem, but ever so slightly, and this slightly bent the valve
>>stems. Then, somehow, the bent valve stems have been momentarily jamming
>>the rear intake cam and this has, over time, resulted in the timing belt
>>slipping and yesterday the slippage got far enough along that it really
>>became noticeable.
>>
>>Does this sound plausible? Does anyone else have any idea about how this
>>slippage could have occurred?


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:40:43 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Newbie problems continue?

>coolant temperature started to go up and there was smoke coming from the
>pulley area.  I am starting to think it is the timing belt, which I
>understand also runs the water pump?

Yes, this is correct.

>   Correct me if I am wrong but I have
>heard that the piston to valve clearance is close enough to cause some
>serious damage if the cam timing goes south.

Yes, heavy damage can occur, including the rockers, lifter and cams.... I
have soon pics online of such a problem !

>   I thinking I probably have a
>matched set of pretzel valves (oh boy, $$$$).  The big question is what to
>do know?

The first thing to check is if the timing belt is off. This is easy and if
so you know that the heads must come off ! Before this, one can do a
compression and leakdown test to see if the valve are still able to close,
but when the piston already kissed them .... no chance !

But it sounds like a stuck water pump and this was why you heard the noise
(from the belt at the water pulley) . The of course the water boiled as it
was not transported anymore and the ECU shuts off the engine (hopefully
early enough).

Good luck
ROger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:37:19 GMT
From: "Ryan Meador" <captainrye@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OVERBOOST

Many of you asked how I knew that the timing was not retarding---Well, I was
assuming- (Yes I know the old saying...) because in my old 91 Supra Turbo,
the engine light would quickly go on when the knock sensor detected ping.
Not to mention that it drastically retarded timing- making the car bog.
Can the 3000's reduce timing in incriments?
If I check, will I have an engine code stored that shows it has been
retarded at some point (even if the engine light never illuminated)?

Matt was right- It pulls like hell until the RPM's get to 4K---It MUST be
being retarded beyond that point.
I'll check the vaccume lines from the wastegates to the Boost Control
Soleniod tonight I report my findings.
Thanks for your quick help Matt, Barry, Wayne & Mike.
- -Ryan



How do you know the engine timing is not retarding?




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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:47:29 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: RE: Team3S: OVERBOOST

>Can the 3000's reduce timing in incriments?

Yes, it does in degrees as a negative offset to the choosen value from the
ignition map.

>If I check, will I have an engine code stored that shows it has been
>retarded at some point (even if the engine light never illuminated)?

No, nothing at all !

>Matt was right- It pulls like hell until the RPM's get to 4K---It MUST be
>being retarded beyond that point.

Seems that you have some severe knock then as under full load detonation
starts around 4250rpm and timing gets retarded. You can't really feel it a
lot just loosing power and the EGT rises. If knock is too high the ECU
initatiates fuel cut and you'll bite into the steering wheel.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:38:17 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Newbie problems continue?

Do the obvious first --- check the serpentine belt. If an idler pulley freezes up the belt
will squeal and finally break [the snap].The belt is then free to do miscellaneous
damage by jamming itself into places it doesn't belong.

        Jim Berry  [ I helped a guy a year ago that had the same problem ]
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From: Donnelly, Michael <DonnellM@ctc.com>



> It looks like my situation has changed somewhat today.  On my way to work
> today I was going down a 4-lane highway when I started to here a squeaking
> sound.  After about 2 miles I heard a snap and the engine cut off.  The
> coolant temperature started to go up and there was smoke coming from the
> pulley area.  ***


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:58:28 -0600
From: "Ken Wheeler" <kenwheeler@phoenixdsl.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Front wheel clunk (resubmission)

Chassis is fairly easy.  Usually, the first thing to check is the ball
joint.  Not hard to replace either.  2nd thing to check if the ball joint is
good is the CV joint.  Those are usually the only 2 point of failure unless
you want to think the worse and your wheel bearings are real bad and have
toasted your axel but from what you describe, it probably is the ball joint.
If you are mechanically inclined, you can probably do the job in about an
hour or so.

Ken Wheeler
'92 RT/TT
'67 Mustang (getting primed this Saturday!  Yipee!)

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From: "Ken Stanton" <tt007ken@yahoo.com>
To: "Team3S Stealth" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 9:14 PM
Subject: Team3S: Front wheel clunk (resubmission)


> Hello =)
>
> I have very recently started hearing a clunk near my front left wheel.
> It is very infrequent, doesn't necessarily need hard braking, but is
> common when braking or turning.  It seems as if it 'sets' in one
> position, then when I accelerate in the opposite direction, it clunks
> again, like it was going back into place...  Example:  I will hear a
> clunk while turning, and it will stay that way until I first hit the
> brakes.  Or, I will hear it clunk when almost at a stop, then again when
> I let off the brake to accelerate.  One tech told me this is ball joints
> - any thoughts?  What does it take to repair?  I'm an engine and tranny
> guy, not chassis yet!
>
> Thanks!
> Ken Stanton
> '91 Pearl White RT/TT
> New Getrag, RPS Turbo Clutch
> Snake Eyes, K&N, plates 007KEN
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:32:38 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Front wheel clunk (resubmission)

> ...It probably is the ball joint.  If you are mechanically
> inclined, you can probably do the job in about an hour or so.

Aren't the ball joints pressed into the A-arms?  And not available from
Mitsubishi (only aftermarket)?  You'd need to get them pressed out and new
ones pressed in = machine shop time.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:21:08 -0600
From: "Ken Wheeler" <kenwheeler@phoenixdsl.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Front wheel clunk (resubmission)

You're local Pep Boys or basic shop can press those in.  It's not a big
deal.  Most of the time they'll do it for $5 or so.  The lower 'A' arm comes
off real easy.  What's really fun is getting the tie rod off.  You'll need a
"Fork" for that one because pound it out won't budge it.

Ken Wheeler
'92 RT/TT
'67 Mustang

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From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
To: "Team3S Stealth" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: Team3S: Front wheel clunk (resubmission)


> > ...It probably is the ball joint.  If you are mechanically
> > inclined, you can probably do the job in about an hour or so.
>
> Aren't the ball joints pressed into the A-arms?  And not available from
> Mitsubishi (only aftermarket)?  You'd need to get them pressed out and new
> ones pressed in = machine shop time.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:58:17 -0700
From: vect0r0 <vect0r0@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1992 Stealth ENGINE REBUILD UPDATE *PLEASE READ*

A while back 2 rod bearings were spun on my 92/RT/TT.  The engine is now
pulled out, and at the shop.  The guy has selected an OEM style piston
(forgot the name of them) that are a slight increase in durability and
slightly lighter than the stock piston.  He is suggesting a 20 over
engine bore, port matching the intake/exaust and a complete valve job
(to turn the engine into a BRAND NEW blue-printed engiene so to speek).

What information regarding the piston selection, rings, overboar,
port-matching, valve job, etc. should I be warned about before I allow
this guy to just arbitrarily order parts to replace the stock ones?

Like:  Piston Selection.  Must there be a special TYPE or STYLE piston
or type of rings that are necessary (gapless/etc)?
Overboar:  Any damage/pre-mature wear/etc can be caused?
Valve Job:  Type of valves to replace with?  3 Angle Valve Job?
Anything SPECIAL I should tell him about our heads before getting parts?

This guy has only re-built ONE stealth engine before and Id like to make
sure Im not getting myself in trouble here.....  He quoted me a price
of:  $1700 for 6 pistons, 6 rods, 6 rod bearings, main bearings, crank,
all gaskets, oil pump (and maybe a few more minor things).  Does this
sound reasonable?

Thanks VERY much for ANY insight on this as Im ready to get back on the
road after 2 months of downtime ;)

John


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:03:20 -0600
From: "Ken Wheeler" <kenwheeler@phoenixdsl.com>
Subject: Team3S: Boost Controller

Ok, I'm ready to buy a boost controller.  I want to spend around $500 or
less, want the fuzzy logic, built in boost pressure guage, and, well, I
don't know much more about them.  Any ideas or where to get one?  I've
talked to Brian at GT-Pro so I know their lineup but I just like to do a
little homework before I make a big purchase like this.

Ken Wheeler
'92 RT/TT
'67 Mustang


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:32:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1992 Stealth ENGINE REBUILD UPDATE *PLEASE READ*

John,

$1700 sounds like a great bargain, depending on the new/used nature
of the components. Is this parts only? If I remember correctly, a new
crank is something like $600 from Tall Mitsu. Pistons maybe around
$100 each??? In fact you can give them (and Norco) a call to get the
best prices on all OEM replacements. I paid almost $1000 for forged
pistons, moly rings, and shipping.

Over-bore: I safely (as far as I know) went with a 0.050" over-bore.
The 3.1L kit from Japan should be a 0.070" over-bore. So 0.020"
should be plenty safe. Good old cast iron blocks. You will only
increase the compression ratio very slightly with a 0.020" over-bore.
I calculated a 8.2:1 CR with my 0.050" over.

Pistons: Factory cast are probably fine for anything the stock turbos
and fuel system can dish out. Forged will cost more, be lighter,
dissipate heat better (cooler crowns), and give you some insurance
against detonnation and extreme temps if you go with larger turbos
and fuel system. For non-Mitsu pistons, be sure the valve reliefs are
correct.

Rods: The 1st gen steel rods are fine for anything up to maybe 500 HP
or so. Of course, expensive aftermarket rods are better (lighter and
stronger).

Bearings: Go with the harder Cleavite 77 or equivalent main and rod
bearings.

Oil pump (and water pump): Good idea to replace while engine out.
Plus all belts etc., but you know this.

Port-matching: Definitely a good idea.

Heads. You are going to use the 2nd gen Mitsu lash adjusters right?

Minor items: new knock sensor, belt tensioners, all gaskets.

Checks: Have him check the rod bearings after the first start-up. A
pain because the oil pan (and downpipe and frame member) needs to be
removed. But he can check them and the cylinder walls for good
patterns. The rod bearings can be replaced.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Stealth 316
  --> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/

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From: "vect0r0" <vect0r0@ix.netcom.com>
To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>; <stealth@starnet.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:58 PM
Subject: Team3S: 1992 Stealth ENGINE REBUILD UPDATE *PLEASE READ*


A while back 2 rod bearings were spun on my 92/RT/TT.  The engine is
now pulled out, and at the shop.  The guy has selected an OEM style
piston (forgot the name of them) that are a slight increase in
durability and slightly lighter than the stock piston.  He is
suggesting a 20 over engine bore, port matching the intake/exaust and
a complete valve job (to turn the engine into a BRAND NEW
blue-printed engiene so to speek).

What information regarding the piston selection, rings, overboar,
port-matching, valve job, etc. should I be warned about before I
allow
this guy to just arbitrarily order parts to replace the stock ones?

Like:  Piston Selection.  Must there be a special TYPE or STYLE
piston
or type of rings that are necessary (gapless/etc)?
Overboar:  Any damage/pre-mature wear/etc can be caused?
Valve Job:  Type of valves to replace with?  3 Angle Valve Job?
Anything SPECIAL I should tell him about our heads before getting
parts?

This guy has only re-built ONE stealth engine before and Id like to
make sure Im not getting myself in trouble here.....  He quoted me a
price of:  $1700 for 6 pistons, 6 rods, 6 rod bearings, main
bearings, crank, all gaskets, oil pump (and maybe a few more minor
things).  Does this sound reasonable?

Thanks VERY much for ANY insight on this as Im ready to get back on
the road after 2 months of downtime ;)

John


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:31:29 -0700
From: vect0r0 <vect0r0@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1992 Stealth ENGINE REBUILD UPDATE *PLEASE READ*

Jeff Lucius wrote:

> John,
>
> $1700 sounds like a great bargain, depending on the new/used nature
> of the components. Is this parts only?

These are BRAND NEW:  Forged Aluminum (Silverlite Brand) Pistons, Rods,
Bearings (main and rod), Oil Pump, Gaskets, Crank (he said re-conditioned
LIKE NEW for like $100 with exchange), Rings, etc.  Labor is around:
$600 for the complete rebuild.

>
> Over-bore: I safely (as far as I know) went with a 0.050" over-bore.
> The 3.1L kit from Japan should be a 0.070" over-bore. So 0.020"
> should be plenty safe. Good old cast iron blocks. You will only
> increase the compression ratio very slightly with a 0.020" over-bore.
> I calculated a 8.2:1 CR with my 0.050" over.
>

Is it possible to go 0.050" with the new set of pistons/rings im
getting?  Should I ask for 0.050 versus 0.020 for any reason?  Is it
still safe?

>
> Pistons:  if you go with larger turbos and fuel system

I have the extensive modification list (15G's, 560cc's, pump, vpc *arc 2
maybe instead of the VPC soon*, intake, exaust, IMP intake manifold,
etc.)


>
> Rods: The 1st gen steel rods are fine for anything up to maybe 500 HP
> or so. Of course, expensive aftermarket rods are better (lighter and
> stronger).

Id consider the rods, but think they are a bit out of my price range at
this time.....

>
> Bearings: Go with the harder Cleavite 77 or equivalent main and rod
> bearings.
>

He said that he ONLY uses the Cleavite 77 bearings...... So that's a
plus.


>
> Oil pump (and water pump): Good idea to replace while engine out.
> Plus all belts etc., but you know this.
>

I did a 60K tune-up while it was out....  So CHECK ;)


> Port-matching: Definitely a good idea.
>

He's also gonna port/polish the heads/intake/exaust etc....


> Heads. You are going to use the 2nd gen Mitsu lash adjusters right?
>

Hrmm..... Im gonna make a call about cost.  Are you SURE they are OK for
a 1992 RT/TT?  What's the advantage?  Any other modifications I need to
tell my mechanic about to fit these into the mix?

>
> Minor items: new knock sensor, belt tensioners, all gaskets.
>

Ill get the sensor too now that u mention it.....


> Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
> Stealth 316
>   --> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/

You have ANY idea what a 0.020 overboar, port/polish/intake/exaust
manifold combonation will do for HP?  Im not really into HP anymore but
would like to have a figure in my mind.....  Thanks SO much for your help
(my mechanic thanks you too hehe)

John

(If i deleted too much message and left others baffled about the subject
Im sorry :)


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:59:25 -0700
From: "Darc" <wce@telus.net>
Subject: Team3S: TALLMITSU

Has Tall Mitsu an email address yet or are they still relying only on the
phone?

Best

Darc


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:24:55 -0500
From: "Dale T. Kroetz" <kroetz@mvn.net>
Subject: Team3S: Interior lighting?

Could somebody tell me if the passenger side door lock and power window
buttons are supposed to be lighted? They look just like the drivers side
which are lighted but mine are not. I know it's a dumb question but I
would have to drive 100 miles just to look at another 3000gt to compare.
Thanks.

- --



Dale T. Kroetz
kroetz@mvn.net



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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:51:34 -0600
From: Manoj Prasad <mprasad@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TALLMITSU

Here is Tall mitsu e-mail address


tallmits@mindspring.com

Rgds
Moe

Darc wrote:

> Has Tall Mitsu an email address yet or are they still relying only on the
> phone?
>
> Best
>
> Darc
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:23:33 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Interior lighting?

> Could somebody tell me if the passenger side door lock and
> power window buttons are supposed to be lighted?

Nope, not lighted when they come from the factory!

- --Erik


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:50:19 -0700
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: ANOTHER oil leak

Okay, just finished fixing an oil leak from the oil pan...now I notice that
the tranny is ALSO leaking oil at the passenger side drive shaft input.
What would cause this and is this fixable?  Also, how much for parts?

Chris
92 R/T TT


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:30:33 CDT
From: "Danny Erick" <ttstealth@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Couple Questions

1) Which fuse does the underhood light run off of. Reason being, every   
other light on the car works ok as far as I can tell but the little    one
under the hood never has, I replaced it and still no glow...

2) Does anyone know what the "tapping" is that's coming from the    engine
for mabey 5 minutes after it's been shut off?

3) What's the black piecce mounted all the way on the left of the      
firewall directly behind the battery? (Been trying to identify all    the
engine componets, still learning) =) And if anyone has a clue    what I'm
talking about, there is a flimsy silver piece of "wire"    connected to the
firewall above the rear turbo and going to the    rear of the intake
manifold. Any clue? Thanks guys!

Dan Erick
92 Stealth R/T TT
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