team3s            Saturday, August 12 2000            Volume 01 : Number 231




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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:50:46 -0400
From: "Ukyo[T]" <ukyo@avana.net>
Subject: Team3S: Mechanic locator

I got my car back from the dealer late yesterday.  They did
absolutely nothing to it.  All they claimed to have done was
drive it down to Mitsubishi, get some advice, and then bring
it back to the lot.  They then passed the info on to me when
I came to pick it up.  Now I have to run this load of crap by
you guys so you can have a good laugh.  All of this is true,
as I went over to Mitsubishi after I got the car, and they
repeated it almost word for word.

*Loosely quoting the service tech at Mitsubishi*

"It's normal for your oil gauge to read zero in a 3000GT.
As long as it raises up a little now and then, it is just fine.
You don't have to worry until the oil warning light comes
on.  In a 3000GT, the oil pressure will almost always read
max or zero.  There is nothing you can do about it."

*End quote*

My question (which he refused to answer) is why did the
gauge sit in the middle for the last 2 1/2 months if it is
"normal" for it to read all or nothing?  Why did it suddenly
start acting "normal" after the oil was changed?  I don't
buy it.  There is something else wrong here, and right now
I do not have the skill to troubleshoot it.

He did tell me that 3000GTs use special filters.  Any truth
to that?

All in all, what I need now is to know if there is anyone in
the Atlanta, GA area that can tell me a good mechanic to
take my car to.  I really need to find someone to work on
my car while I am in the process of learning how.

Anyone in the Atlanta area want to mentor me?  :)

Oh yeah...  They "claimed" to have just drove it to
Mitsubishi and back, but now it struggles to crank, and I
can hear engine noise in the speakers for a little while
after the car is cranked.  I was going to get the dealer to
do my 60K service, but now I think I'll find an independent
mechanic, or do it myself.  I need to get some experience
working on this car quick, as it looks like there is no one
at a dealership in my area that is competent enough to
work on it.

What I wouldn't give to be a "car guy".  :(

- -- Travis
'97 3000GT (Base + K&N FIPK / Red)







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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:57:00 -0600
From: "Jeffrey Young" <jeffrey@omega-sw.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Mechanic locator

Travis;

Couple of comments...

Have you check the connector for the oil pressure sensor...on your plenum
are three electrical connectors attached to a small bracket (looks like a 3)
on the left side of the plenum (ahead of the throttle body)...the back
connector (closest to firewall) is for the oil pressure sensor (and the
idiot light, I think)..are any of these wires broken?...


My guage will be low when at idle, but jumps right up when the RPM's
increase...is this what yours' is doing?

Oil filters....I only use OEM (Mitsu) filters on my car...there has been
lots of debate on this and other list about whether this is necessary, but I
figure that this is the filter Mitsu wanted for this car, and the couple of
bucks difference will not break me.


Sorry...don't live near Atlanta....


Jeffrey
92 RT/Turbo
www.omega-sw.com/stealth



- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ukyo[T]
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 12:50 PM
Subject: Team3S: Mechanic locator


I got my car back from the dealer late yesterday.  They did
absolutely nothing to it.

<snip>

What I wouldn't give to be a "car guy".  :(

- -- Travis
'97 3000GT (Base + K&N FIPK / Red)







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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:11:31 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Mechanic locator

> "It's normal for your oil gauge to read zero in a 3000GT.
> As long as it raises up a little now and then, it is just fine.
> You don't have to worry until the oil warning light comes
> on.  In a 3000GT, the oil pressure will almost always read
> max or zero.  There is nothing you can do about it."

Okay, so that tech should be immediately fired.  Why even bother having the
extra expense of putting the gauge on the car if none of them work.  Doofus
(or the guy you took it to was flat-out lying and they never even took it to
the Mitsubishi dealer).

> He did tell me that 3000GTs use special filters.  Any
> truth to that?

The OEM filters have a spring-loaded bypass valve in them where if the
filter gets clogged enough the bypass will open and allow oil to bypass the
filter.  The thinking was that dirty oil is better than no oil.  If you
change your oil religiously according to the maintenance schedule it
shouldn't be necessary to use the OEM filters.  I personally always use the
Mitsubishi filters as a couple extra bucks isn't going to kill me, and I
like keeping my car in perfect running condition.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:15:07 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Off Topic- Honda Header needed

If anyone has a Stock Honda header that will fit a 97 Civic ex V-Tec please
Email me. I sold the Honda's Turbo setup & header so I need a stock one or
the car can't drive. Tks
Arty 91 VR-4

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:31:33 -0500
From: "Greg S." <wizards@mhtc.net>
Subject: Team3S: 1 Month to go for the W3SI Gathering!!

Hi all,

Just a quick note to remind everyone in the Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa,
and Illinois area that there is 1 month to go before the first W3SI
gathering!  We've now added GO KARTS to the list of activities, so it
should be a lot of fun for everyone.  Check out the URL if you're
interested in more information or would like to sign up.  Hope to see
you there!

http://www.mhtc.net/~wizards/W3SI/Events/Roadrun/RoadRun.html

Greg


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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:18:50 -0700
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Possible oil leak in front crank seal...

This is incredible.  Anyone have any C4 explosives because I want to put
this car out of its misery (and me for that matter.)  I've spent more time
underneath the car this summer than driving it.

Anyways, I replaced the engine a little less than 3000 miles ago, and for
the past 2000 or so miles I've noticed an oil leak coming from the front of
the oil pan right around the crank pulley area.  I figured perhaps I didn't
apply enough sealant to the oil pan in that area so I finally took the oil
pan off today to apply a better bead of sealant to the oil pan.  After 4
hours of agony, I got the oil pan off and noticed that there was plenty of
sealant in the area of the leak.  I also noticed that there was oil higher
up than where the oil pan meets the crank seal housing.

My best guess is that the oil pan wasn't leaking and now I suspect that the
front crank seal is.  The thing is, the crank seals are only 3000 miles
used, and the leak appeared a while ago.  I thought these seals were fairly
durable.  Well, I know that in order to check the seal, I need to take off
that stupid timing belt.  I didn't do that yet but I did take to top covers
off and noticed that the outer edge of the timing belt is a little worn.  I
can see the steel braids in the belt on that edge.  I doubt this is related
to the oil leak since the timing belt is still clean of oil, so what could
have caused the outer edge to wear down.  Rubbing on something...but what?

Thanks,
Chris
92 R/T TT (4 bolt main, 355 turbos, but still hasn't seen above 7psi yet...)


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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:25:35 -0400
From: "WALTER D. BEST" <WDBO39@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Possible oil leak in front crank seal...

You don't by any chance have the unorthodox pulleys do you?

Dave Best


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Maxwell <shmacker@home.com>
To: <stealth@stls.verio.net>; <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:18 PM
Subject: Team3S: Possible oil leak in front crank seal...


> This is incredible.  Anyone have any C4 explosives because I want to put
> this car out of its misery (and me for that matter.)  I've spent more time
> underneath the car this summer than driving it.
>
> Anyways, I replaced the engine a little less than 3000 miles ago, and for
> the past 2000 or so miles I've noticed an oil leak coming from the front
of
> the oil pan right around the crank pulley area.  I figured perhaps I
didn't
> apply enough sealant to the oil pan in that area so I finally took the oil
> pan off today to apply a better bead of sealant to the oil pan.  After 4
> hours of agony, I got the oil pan off and noticed that there was plenty of
> sealant in the area of the leak.  I also noticed that there was oil higher
> up than where the oil pan meets the crank seal housing.
>
> My best guess is that the oil pan wasn't leaking and now I suspect that
the
> front crank seal is.  The thing is, the crank seals are only 3000 miles
> used, and the leak appeared a while ago.  I thought these seals were
fairly
> durable.  Well, I know that in order to check the seal, I need to take off
> that stupid timing belt.  I didn't do that yet but I did take to top
covers
> off and noticed that the outer edge of the timing belt is a little worn.
I
> can see the steel braids in the belt on that edge.  I doubt this is
related
> to the oil leak since the timing belt is still clean of oil, so what could
> have caused the outer edge to wear down.  Rubbing on something...but what?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 92 R/T TT (4 bolt main, 355 turbos, but still hasn't seen above 7psi
yet...)
>
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:43:34 -0700
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Possible oil leak in front crank seal...

heh, I don't know why I didn't think of this when I saw it, but when I
pulled the oil pan, I saw a spring that was a few inches long.  I didn't
know what it was from at that point because I wasn't thinking too clearly.
Now that I thought about it awhile, it must be from the front crank seal.
duh.  =)  That explains why it is leaking.  But why would the spring come
off.  They don't just let go like that do they?  I must have installed it
wrong I guess...

Chris

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
To: <stealth@stls.verio.net>; <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 6:18 PM
Subject: Possible oil leak in front crank seal...


> This is incredible.  Anyone have any C4 explosives because I want to put
> this car out of its misery (and me for that matter.)  I've spent more time
> underneath the car this summer than driving it.
>
> Anyways, I replaced the engine a little less than 3000 miles ago, and for
> the past 2000 or so miles I've noticed an oil leak coming from the front
of
> the oil pan right around the crank pulley area.  I figured perhaps I
didn't
> apply enough sealant to the oil pan in that area so I finally took the oil
> pan off today to apply a better bead of sealant to the oil pan.  After 4
> hours of agony, I got the oil pan off and noticed that there was plenty of
> sealant in the area of the leak.  I also noticed that there was oil higher
> up than where the oil pan meets the crank seal housing.
>
> My best guess is that the oil pan wasn't leaking and now I suspect that
the
> front crank seal is.  The thing is, the crank seals are only 3000 miles
> used, and the leak appeared a while ago.  I thought these seals were
fairly
> durable.  Well, I know that in order to check the seal, I need to take off
> that stupid timing belt.  I didn't do that yet but I did take to top
covers
> off and noticed that the outer edge of the timing belt is a little worn.
I
> can see the steel braids in the belt on that edge.  I doubt this is
related
> to the oil leak since the timing belt is still clean of oil, so what could
> have caused the outer edge to wear down.  Rubbing on something...but what?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 92 R/T TT (4 bolt main, 355 turbos, but still hasn't seen above 7psi
yet...)
>


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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:41:07 -0700
From: "Jose Soriano" <amahoser@linkline.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Polyurethane bushings

I'll volunteer my car! It's in pieces anyways... if they'll pay for towing!
(or we can pitch in)... George, I contacted them a couple of months ago and
they were interested but at the time, they were working on a few other
projects at the time. I think the more calls they get, the more interested
they will be....

Jose Soriano
visit my Stealth site at www.3si.org/amahoser



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From: "George Kuo" <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
To: "Team3SI" <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 4:14 PM
Subject: Team3S: Polyurethane bushings


> Hi All,
>
> I got in contact with Energy Suspension in prototyping
> polyurethane bushings for the 3S.  They might be
> interested.  I will update the latest as soon as their
> head of engineering gets back from vacation next week.
>
> A few questions:
>
> 1) Are the parts the same in all years and models?
>
> 2) They are located in the 949 area code.  They will
> need a 3S for a minimum of 10days.  Any volunteers?
> Mine is my daily driver.. so.. hmm.. wana pitch in for
> me a rent a Geo Metro?? =)
>
> /George
> '92 RT TT
>
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Date: 12 Aug 2000 05:20:42 -0700
From: John Monnin <jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject: Team3S: Benifits of aftermarket BOV

I have been following the discussion on which aftermarket BOV works the best, and it sounds like it is hit or miss if you will be able to get any BOV to give trouble free operation. 

My question is what are the benefits of a aftermarket BOV?   I believe it will keep the turbo spooled up between shifts but what difference will that make in 1/4 mile, 0-60 etc...?  To me it seems like a lot of hassle and cost for unknown performance gain.

John Monnin
jkmonnin@altavista.com
91 3000GT VR4 with 2 bad engines.


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Date: 12 Aug 2000 05:41:19 -0700
From: John Monnin <jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject: Team3S: looking for TT engine block core

I am looking for a 93+ twin turbo engine block core.  I have a new crank rods and pistons but my block has a mounting bracket broken off the casting.  Anyone who has a lead email me privately at :

jkmonnin@altavista.com
John Monnin.

Update on my engine rebuilt saga: 
Dont read if you are deeply offended by poor service, the moral of the story is Yellow Freight is not to worried out damaging your shipment.
 
Over two weeks ago my new 4 bolt main TT shortblock arrived.  upon inspection I found yellow paint poured over the crank rods and cylinder walls.   I also noticed there was a sizable chunk broken off the corner odf the casting.  I immediately called yellow freight and demaned a insurance adjuster.  The next day a claims adjuster exemined the block and told me Yellow would have his report in 3 days.   In 4 days Yellow finally recieved the report and asked me if I wanted to file a claim!  I though I alrady had but not by Yellow Freight's high standards.  After filing a claim the local terminal forwarded my claim the the national terminal which took a few more days.  I called the national terminal but there automated phone sytem will not let you talk to a representative until your claim is 30 days old!!!.  So over 2 weeks after damaging my block Yellow Freight should have my claim taken car of in the next few weeks.

The bright side to the story is I have been polishing aluminum parts to keep myself busy.  My thermostat housing looks like chrome.  My fuel rails are sanded and should be completed soon and I have the intake manifold in the basement just waitng to be polished.

jkmonnin@altavista.com
John Monnin 91 3000GT VR4 with
91 2 bolt main with worn crank and valve marked pistons
93 4 bolt main new but casting is broken.
balanced fuel injectors, improved pre-cats, and soon to have 100HP worth of polished aluminum.


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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:38:33 -0400
From: Joe Gonsowski <twinturbo@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Possible oil leak in front crank seal...

Chris Maxwell wrote:

> Well, I know that in order to check the seal, I need to take off
> that stupid timing belt.  I didn't do that yet but I did take to top covers
> off and noticed that the outer edge of the timing belt is a little worn.  I
> can see the steel braids in the belt on that edge.  I doubt this is related
> to the oil leak since the timing belt is still clean of oil, so what could
> have caused the outer edge to wear down.  Rubbing on something...but what?

How did you set the timing belt tensioner?  If the tensioner pully is set
incorrectly, the small casting it pivots on can contact the back side of the
timing belt.  That is the most likely area it contacted, check there first.
Could also be the small stamped steel guides on the head.  Are they correctly
positioned with no bent ends contacting the belt?

best of luck,
Joe Gonsowski
'92 R/T TT


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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:25:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Michael" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: Team3S: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:22:16 -0400

Help, I don't have a stereo.  I reset my ECU the other day and had to
re-enter the code for the radio.  Since I didn't have it with me, I guessed
at it wrongly.  Now it is just saying Off when I turn it on and won't give
me the chance to enter the code.  It's been over a day.  Is there a way to
reset it so I can enter the code again?

Michael
98 VR4


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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:56:55 EDT
From: The68th@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Timing Belt - Clutch

Hey guys, I think it's time for my timing belt.  I'm not sure if the guy
before me did it, how can I be sure?  The car has 74,000 miles, but I had to
do my AC belt by myself so they may not have had the 60,000mile.  If I have
to do this is it possible to do myself, or would I be better off shelling out
the $800.00 to get it done?
Also, it's time for a new clutch.  What do you guys suggest and how much are
they.  And is this possible to do myself or what will it cost to get it done?
Thanks again,

Chris '92 Stealth ES
Totally stock with a slipping clutch and a timing belt mystery.

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