team3s
Monday, August 7
2000
Volume 01 : Number
227
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Date:
Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:32:51 -0500
From: "Greg S." <wizards@mhtc.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
List prices & used prices, 3/S '91-'99 (was: Sunroof / misc.)
I
second Curt's statement. The 1994 Stealth R/T TT was the last model
year
with all the bells and whistles ... that is everything except the active
aero
which was not even an option. By the end of 1994, the PTBs
(Powers That Be)
at Dodge had decided to discontinue the Stealth and so they
stripped all the
bells and whistles off the 1995 and 1996 model years.
One of the reasons that
the guy that I bought my 1994 TT from gave for buying
the 1994 was because the
1995 model was so stripped down. (He bought a
1994 even though the 1995s were
available for
ordering).
Greg
Curt Gendron wrote:
> Actually,
the all-wheel steering was used in ALL years of the VR4 and 91-94
> in the
Stealth Twin Turbo.
>
> I can line up almost every year VR4 and show
you, if you want to come up to
> Minnesota. ;) hehe.
just kidding.......
>
> later,
> Curt
> http://www.mn3s.org
>
> >From:
"Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
> >To:
"Ukyo[T]" <ukyo@avana.net>, <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
>Subject: Team3S: List prices & used prices, 3/S '91-'99 (was:
Sunroof
>
> >
> >The best years for both Stealths and
3000GTs are 1994 to 1996. The last
> >year for AWS was '96, and
years that followed marked a number of other
>
>
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 06:15:21
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Car Paint
The color code for your car's original exterior
paint is noted on the
metal plate on the firewall on the driver's side. I
think it is the
bottommost item. My red 1992 Stealth says R38 which Dodge
calls
Passion Red on their color chart. Mitsu calls this color Caracas
Red
I think. See the jpg file link below.
http://www.3si.org/upload/colorcodechart.jpg
Jeff
Lucius
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
--> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/
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From: "Matthew Hull" <mh800597@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
To:
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Sunday, August 06, 2000 2:24 PM
Subject: Team3S: Car Paint
I want to
think everyone for your help on fixing my bumper!!
I have one more
question, does anyone know what exact color code for
the RED Dodge
Stealth. THANKS AGAIN!!
-
-Matt
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 06:20:39
-0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Re: Rear Window / Hatch
Cody,
I recently bought the
complete rear bumper assembly from a
wrecked-in-front red 1992 Stealth TT
from the yard below. Give them a
call and see if they still have the rest of
the car. They ship fairly
quickly. The picture on the net showed the back end
looked fine. You
may also want to try some of the used parts links I have on
the
Garage page of my web site.
New Castle Auto Wrecking
2627
Ellwood Rd.
New Castle, PA 16101
800-245-2226
ask for Chuck
Jeff Lucius
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
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From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
To: "Starnet"
<stealth@stls.verio.net>
Cc:
"Team3S" <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>;
"Stealth"
<stealth@dragnet.com>
Sent: Sunday,
August 06, 2000 4:55 PM
Subject: Rear Window / Hatch
I posted this one
time, and got a few responses.
I am looking for the rear window, or
better yet, the rear hatch off
any 3000GT or Dodge Stealth. Wanting to
buy ASAP.
My car is waiting on this before I can paint, or even drive
it.
-
-Cody
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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 12:56:41
EDT
From: SKCrusader@aol.com
Subject: Team3S:
What's the differences?
First of all, this is my first post. I've
got a question for anybody that knows the answers. What are the
differences between the Supra TT and the VR-4? Besides the obvious ones,
AWD, AWS, and the styling cues. Both are sequential twin turbos producing
320 HP. Both will dust a Z-28 in stock form (which is very important to me
with all of my Chevy friends). But as far as mods go, are the 2 cars
comparable?? Will adding an exhaust to the VR-4 result in about the same
gain as adding an exhaust to the Supra (just an example)?? I'm just
wondering because I want one of the 2 cars and I love the styling and speed of
both. I kind of lean towards the VR-4 for it's AW everything, but I like
the body of the Supra better. One thing is for sure though....I will own
one of these 2 cars...possibly an RX-7 depending on cost. But Mitsu or
Toyota is my goal. Any answers are appreciated.
Scott
Wannabe TT
driver
'89 Pontiac Grand Prix POS
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:20:22
-0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: What's the differences?
I know I won't be the first, but I
asked a similar question once.
False: The Supra and VR-4 have sequential
turbos.
True: The Supra has sequential turbos.
True: The VR-4 has
non-sequential turbos (not sure what the word for
non-sequential
is)
Scott - Don't forget the most important factor that the VR-4 is no
longer in
production and parts are not as easy to find sometimes. The
Supra also is
loads easier to work under the hood (not as crowded).
As
a personal note I will never own a RWD car. I just had mine out
to
Nelson Ledges (POS track in Ohio) and had a four-wheel drift in one turn
but
the AWD kicked in with some throttle and pulled me through. This
is
impossible in a RWD car not to mention traction in the rain. I
will,
hopefully, only own AWD/Quattro/Traction control cars from now on and
I
don't think the Supra has this. Fortunately, I love the body of the
3000GT
and the AWD didn't hurt so I now have one. Sure the Supra body
looks good,
but will it hold in a turn when you are leading a Camaro SS and
the tires
are about ready to squeal.
- --Flash!
dschilberg@freemarkets.com <mailto:dschilberg@pobox.com>
3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 w/ K&N FIPK, Valentine One, and a G-Tech
Pro
8.5J x 18 wheels with P-Zero Asymmetrical 245/40/18 tires help with
grip
http://www.ec3s.org/gallery.shtml
<http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi>
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From: SKCrusader@aol.com [mailto:SKCrusader@aol.com]
Sent: Monday,
August 07, 2000 12:57 PM
To: team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st
Subject:
Team3S: What's the differences?
First of all, this is my first
post. I've got a question for anybody that
knows the answers.
What are the differences between the Supra TT and the
VR-4? Besides the
obvious ones, AWD, AWS, and the styling cues. Both are
sequential twin
turbos producing 320 HP. Both will dust a Z-28 in stock
form (which is
very important to me with all of my Chevy friends). But as
far as mods
go, are the 2 cars comparable?? Will adding an exhaust to the
VR-4
result in about the same gain as adding an exhaust to the Supra (just
an
example)?? I'm just wondering because I want one of the 2 cars and
I
love the styling and speed of both. I kind of lean towards the VR-4
for
it's AW everything, but I like the body of the Supra better. One
thing is
for sure though....I will own one of these 2 cars...possibly an
RX-7
depending on cost. But Mitsu or Toyota is my goal. Any
answers are
appreciated.
Scott
Wannabe TT driver
'89 Pontiac
Grand Prix POS
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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:34:02
-0700
From: Daniel Jett <djett@corp.ultratech.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: What's the differences?
Correction,
The Stealth/3000GT
do not have sequentially turbocharged systems, they have parallel
systems.
As with most vehicles with forced induction, the 3S will respond
similarily to most basic "bolt-ons" However, it has been shown that, (at least
in our cars,) a cat-back may not even help performance, but it certainly won't
hinder it. Of course, when you decide to upgrade turbo's, fuel system,
etc, then having the largest diameter exhaust will certainly help.
How
does the 3S stack up, mod for mod, with the Supra? Well, they are two different
cars, and thus they will respond to mods differently. Geoff Mohler has both, I'm
sure he can comment.
Perhaps a more specific line of questioning will
lead to better answers.
Dan J
94 Stealth TT
>>> <SKCrusader@aol.com> - 8/7/00 9:56 AM
>>>
First of all, this is my first post. I've got a question
for anybody that knows the answers. What are the differences between the
Supra TT and the VR-4? Besides the obvious ones, AWD, AWS, and the styling
cues. Both are sequential twin turbos producing 320 HP. Both will
dust a Z-28 in stock form (which is very important to me with all of my Chevy
friends). But as far as mods go, are the 2 cars comparable?? Will
adding an exhaust to the VR-4 result in about the same gain as adding an exhaust
to the Supra (just an example)?? I'm just wondering because I want one of
the 2 cars and I love the styling and speed of both. I kind of lean
towards the VR-4 for it's AW everything, but I like the body of the Supra
better. One thing is for sure though....I will own one of these 2
cars...possibly an RX-7 depending on cost. But Mitsu or Toyota is my
goal. Any answers are appreciated.
Scott
Wannabe TT
driver
'89 Pontiac Grand Prix POS
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:12:40
-0500
From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: What's the differences?
I for one absolutely love both
cars. Both cars have similar upgrade paths,
bigger turbos, bigger
exhaust, larger injectors, fuel/boost controllers,
etc. etc. Cost for
maintaining each will also be similar, although Toyotas
have a rep for
dependability, I don't see many problems with the 3000GT
either... Of
course if you break something in either car, I guarantee it
won't be
cheap. The VR-4 is MUCH easier to drive -0 I guarantee it...
Also, even
the Supra owners know that a street race against a VR-4 will
almost always
result in the Supra losing off the start if it's a dead start
(higher speeds
may be different)
Supras are beautiful... I don't care what anyone
says... (and I just met a
very nice looking girl with a Supra just
yesterday) I drove a Twin Turbo
Supra, and damn... But they are
RWD... Toyota needs to go back to it's AWD
system they used in the
Celica once...
VR-4's are also a little cheaper to get into...
Supras keep their high ass
resale value...
- -Cody
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[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of SKCrusader@aol.com
Sent:
Monday, August 07, 2000 11:57 AM
To: team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st
Subject:
Team3S: What's the differences?
First of all, this is my first
post. I've got a question for anybody that
knows the answers.
What are the differences between the Supra TT and the
VR-4? Besides the
obvious ones, AWD, AWS, and the styling cues. Both are
sequential twin
turbos producing 320 HP. Both will dust a Z-28 in stock
form (which is
very important to me with all of my Chevy friends). But as
far as mods
go, are the 2 cars comparable?? Will adding an exhaust to the
VR-4
result in about the same gain as adding an exhaust to the Supra (just
an
example)?? I'm just wondering because I want one of the 2 cars and
I
love the styling and speed of both. I kind of lean towards the VR-4
for
it's AW everything, but I like the body of the Supra better. One
thing is
for sure though....I will own one of these 2 cars...possibly an
RX-7
depending on cost. But Mitsu or Toyota is my goal. Any
answers are
appreciated.
Scott
Wannabe TT driver
'89 Pontiac
Grand Prix POS
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:15:13
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: What's the differences?
> I know I won't be the first, but
I asked a similar
> question once.
> False: The Supra and VR-4
have sequential turbos.
> True: The Supra has sequential
turbos.
> True: The VR-4 has non-sequential turbos (not sure
> what
the word for non-sequential is)
That'd be "twin turbos".
:-)
> Scott - Don't forget the most important factor that
> the
VR-4 is no longer in production and parts are
> not as easy to find
sometimes. The Supra also is
> loads easier to work under the hood
(not as crowded).
Don't forget that the Supra has not been in production
for longer than the
VR4 has been out of production, AND sold far fewer cars
(at least in the US)
than the 3000GT/Stealth.
Supra
-
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Positives:
More potential "out of the box". Turbo(s)
and fuel pump are more capable in
stock form to be upgraded.
RWD is better
for rolling power as there is less drivetrain loss
Can do burnouts with
ease.
Lighter and more agile than VR4/StealthTT
Holds value well at this
point.
High motor reliability at high horsepower levels.
Top-end power is
great.
Rare.
Negatives:
Parts are getting more rare.
Can
do burnouts unintentionally, resulting in worse launches
Handling performance
is more dependent on driver skill.
Initial cost of entry is still pretty
high.
3000GT / Stealth
-
----------------
Positives:
Only AWD/AWS car available that isn't
a sedan (Galant VR4)
Higher stock horsepower than Supra
AWD/AWS makes an
average driver able to perform better.
Small turbos spool very
quickly.
Unbeatable launch (other than a DSM car or similar AWD
vehicle)
Only other car similar from the factory is a Lamborghini Diablo VT
for
$250,000+.
ECS Suspension is nice on the street.
Very high
cornering potential in the hands of an experienced driver.
Can pick one up
for well under $20,000 in decent condition.
Negatives:
AWD
extracts a performance penalty on the top-end.
Heavy, heavy, heavy (Spyder is
even more* heavy)
Moderate upgrades require a fuel pump, fuel injectors, and
some form of fuel
controller.
Difficult to work on - not much clearance in
the engine bay for hands/tools.
Stock turbos run out of steam very early on
an upgraded car.
Lack of transmission parts, particularly
synchros.
Somewhat limited aftermarket support
No burnouts (well, you can
- but at extreme risk to the tranny).
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder
VR4
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:22:37
EDT
From: The68th@aol.com
Subject:
Team3S: Squeaking Problem
Ok, this is my first post, and my first problem
with my car.
I have this terrible squeaking coming from my engine. It
sounds like a belt.
it used to only happen when I accelerated and got
louder the harder I
accelerated. Now it does it almost all the time
and it makes my car sound
just terrible. Does anyone have any ideas
what this could be from the
limited information I know. Also, how much
do you think it would be to get
it fixed?
Thank you in
advance,
Chris
'92 Stealth ES
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:15:34
-0700
From: "Bbizo" <bbizo@telisphere.com>
Subject:
Team3S: Squeaking Problem
Chris-
This is almost always the air
conditioning belt. It could be loose, but just
as likely old and hardened.
Its really not hard to replace. Sometimes, like
on my VR4, the idler sits
crooked and scrubs the back of the belt. That may
require more
surgery.
Bob Bissonette
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:11:17
-0400
From: "Jim Figgins" <abrman@one.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Paint
Has anyone else found that the red on the 94's is a one stage paint
system -
not base and clear coat. Anyone know why. I checked with my body man
and he
says the specs call for 1 stage.
Goofy!!!
Jim
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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:12:21
+1200
From: Kevin Clark <Kevin.Clark@hnz.co.nz>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Squeaking Problem
> This is almost always the air
conditioning belt. It could
> be loose, but just as likely old and
hardened. Its really
> not hard to replace.
If it only squeaks
occasionally, and it gets worse when your
lights and air conditioner are on,
then it could just be a
simple case of your battery being on it's way out -
or at
the very least needing a good charge.
Reason being, when the
battery is running low there is more
stress on the belt as the "generator"
has to work a lot
harder to keep things going.
Solution could be as
simple as charging the battery (although
it would not hurt to also look at
tightening the belt)
Cheers,
Kevin Clark
'91
GTO-VR4
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:53:38
-0700
From: Matthew Hull <mh800597@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Subject:
Re: Team3S:Paint
Mr. Figgins,
I have a 94
Stealth and I have noticed that there was not a clear
coat on the
back
fin, and the front bumper. The rest of my car has a clear coat.
The fin
and
the front bumper have faded so bad that it looks terrible. I talked
to
Dodge and
they thought it was a factory defect but said it is too late
to do
anything about
it through them. I am going to repaint the
front bumper anyways so it
doesn't
bother me too much now. The rest
of the car has a clear coat but the
thinkness
of the red paint is
amazingly thin and very easily scatched away.
- -Matthew Hull
Red
Stealth R/T TT
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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 03:01:45
-0700
From: Richard <radanc@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
550 cc injectors
FYI. As followup to our discussion of injectors the
other day. Mike at
Diamond Star Specialities will sell NP injectors up to
720s for 100 a
piece. Not bad eh.
Rich
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:06:33
EDT
From: SKCrusader@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S:
What's the differences?
Thanks to everybody for your
answers. I now know that the VR-4 is not a
sequential set-up as
everyone made it more than apparent. =) I know that
the VR-4 is
a better track performer because of the AWD/S, but I'm not gonna
be running
on the track most likely. I guess my final deciding factor will
be
which one is cheaper. Both are beautiful, awesome performing cars that
will outperform the majority of American cars (Viper, and Corvette driven by
a capable driver, being the only exceptions) in stock form. But hell,
what's
a car in stock form?? Kinda boring if you ask me. So I'll
shoot for ported
(or new and bigger) turbos (even with the added lag) and a
few other smaller
mods to whatever I get and just have a damn good
time. Anyway, thanks for
all your answers and I'll be posting more now
(I'll be better informed next
time so I don't get yelled at for calling the
VR-4 sequential). =)
Scott
Wannabe TT driver
'89 Pontiac
Grand Prix
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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:16:49
-0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Anybody know about Talons?
I found a 1990 Eagle Talon TSI for
$2995, negotiable.
I'm thinking about it or one like it for a winter car
and/or a future pro
rally car or an open track/autocross car.
It has
120,000 miles and the air conditioning doesn't work, but the brakes
ares good
and the tires are fair.("we left San Pedro late one night, the
moon and stars
were shining bright, we wuz driving up Grapevine Hill,
passing cars like they
were standin' still...." Sorry, got carried away.)
Body looks OK,
interior is OK.
Boost gauge indicates plenty of boost available, it has good
oil pressure,
and the temp didn't go up during a short blast up the
interstate.
It runs like a scalded ape until 5500 rpm, then shuts off
like it's hitting
fuel cut or the computer is shutting it off. It's redlined
at 7,000 rpm.
What's the rpm limit for a Talon? 5500 or 7000?
What might
be causing this fuel cut? It's obvious people are avoiding this
car,
perhaps because of the cut.
I had a little trouble shifting it, because
you gotta hunt around to find
third, and the gates are not where you might
expect them. Very loose in
there. Is this normal for the AWD 5-speed?
What should I be looking for in
tranny troubles?
Any advice on buying
an AWD Talon or Eclipse?
If I get serious about it, I'll take it to my
mechanic. What should he look
for?
What are the correct designations
to indicate AWD and turbo on Eagles and
Mitsubishis? I take it that TSI
means something.
What are good price ranges?. I've seen them all over
the map.
Where's a good site/group on the web where I can get smart on
Talon/Eclipse
cars?
Rich/94 Mitsubishi 3000GT
VR4
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:08:33
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: What's the differences?
> So I'll shoot for ported (or new
and bigger) turbos
> (even with the added lag) and a few other smaller
> mods to whatever I get and just have a damn good
>
time.
Don't bother porting the stock turbos. Might as well move up
to 13G's or
15G's. From what I've seen on my car going to the 15G's,
I'd recommend just
skipping the 13G as it isn't a huge upgrade. Ported
15G's spool up a little
later than the stock 9b turbos, but the top end power
is sweet and well
worth the little bit more lag. Besides, you don't
want to do a turbo swap
twice... It is painful!
If you just need
a midrange power boost, the stock turbos can pump out
plenty of juice in the
midrange. Start with the boost controller set at 15
psi and see if you
need more or not.
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:12:19
-0700
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Anybody know about Talons?
The early ones are the worst
trannies ever..
better heads as I understand, but ungodly horrible tranny
problems in the first
gen ones.
The cut is..well, not normal.
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From: Merritt [mailto:merritt@cedar-rapids.net]
Sent:
Monday, August 07, 2000 3:17 PM
To: stealth@dragnet.com; opentracking@topica.com;
Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Cc: NWhite@HomesteadersLife.com; Gregg
Le Blanc
Subject: Team3S: Anybody know about Talons?
I found a
1990 Eagle Talon TSI for $2995, negotiable.
I'm thinking about it or one
like it for a winter car and/or a future pro
rally car or an open
track/autocross car.
It has 120,000 miles and the air conditioning
doesn't work, but the brakes
ares good and the tires are fair.("we left San
Pedro late one night, the
moon and stars were shining bright, we wuz driving
up Grapevine Hill,
passing cars like they were standin' still...."
Sorry, got carried away.)
Body looks OK, interior is OK.
Boost gauge
indicates plenty of boost available, it has good oil pressure,
and the temp
didn't go up during a short blast up the interstate.
It runs like a
scalded ape until 5500 rpm, then shuts off like it's hitting
fuel cut or the
computer is shutting it off. It's redlined at 7,000 rpm.
What's the rpm limit
for a Talon? 5500 or 7000?
What might be causing this fuel cut? It's
obvious people are avoiding this
car, perhaps because of the cut.
I
had a little trouble shifting it, because you gotta hunt around to
find
third, and the gates are not where you might expect them. Very loose
in
there. Is this normal for the AWD 5-speed? What should I be looking
for in
tranny troubles?
Any advice on buying an AWD Talon or
Eclipse?
If I get serious about it, I'll take it to my mechanic. What
should he look
for?
What are the correct designations to indicate AWD
and turbo on Eagles and
Mitsubishis? I take it that TSI means
something.
What are good price ranges?. I've seen them all over the
map.
Where's a good site/group on the web where I can get smart on
Talon/Eclipse
cars?
Rich/94 Mitsubishi 3000GT
VR4
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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:31:47
-0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: What's the differences?
Both are beautiful, awesome
performing cars that
>will outperform the majority of American cars
(Viper, and Corvette driven by
>a capable driver, being the only
exceptions) in stock form.
Ahem. Strike Corvette from that short
list. Add Porsche AWD TT.
Vipers and AWD Porsches are our only real
competition among basically stock
street-driven cars.
Rich/old
poop
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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:56:17
-0600
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Anybody know about Talons?
- --------
+> I found a
1990 Eagle Talon TSI for $2995, negotiable.
+>
+> I'm thinking
about it or one like it for a winter car and/or a future pro
+> rally car
or an open track/autocross car.
<snip>
+> Where's a good
site/group on the web where I can get smart on Talon/Eclipse
+>
cars?
+>
+> Rich/94 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4
http://www.dsm.org
Dave
=======================
=
95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
= 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
= There is no spoon..
=
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:23:04
-0700
From: "Veilside GTO" <gtovr4@postalzone.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Denso Iridium Plugs
Richard,
I have them on my vr4 and
I am using the Accel plug wires recommended by
Mike at Altered. I floored my
car a couple of times and it seems fine if not
better. I am awaiting to see
how well these plugs do on my car this weekend.
It is NIRA in Seattle and I
will be running.
Keep in touch and I should know something by next
Monday! :))
Julian Huang
94 Mitsubishi Veilside Tein TEC GTO
tt
Team 3S
Seattle, Washington
gtovr4@postalzone.com
-
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From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 8:04 AM
Cc: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject:
Team3S: Denso Iridium Plugs
Anyone try these plugs? I am going to
install them next week.
Rich
92 Stealth TT
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000
17:37:10 -0700
From: thejed@mindspring.com
Subject:
Team3S: Message-Id: <070800220.63430@165.247.17.57>
i
need a little help on resetting a blinking ecs light on a '92
3000gt if at
all possible. i don't think it was caused by a fault
unless my roommate fried
the control box while seaching for a
short. he yanked all the fuses and was
playing around with the
harness in the right rear. hopefully, he disconnected
something
he shouldn't have by accident and this isn't something
major.
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000
17:37:49 -0700
From: thejed@mindspring.com
Subject:
Team3S: Message-Id: <070800220.63468@165.247.17.57>
i
need a little help on resetting a blinking ecs light on a '92
3000gt if at
all possible. i don't think it was caused by a fault
unless my roommate fried
the control box while seaching for a
short. he yanked all the fuses and was
playing around with the
harness in the right rear. hopefully, he disconnected
something
he shouldn't have by accident and this isn't something
major.
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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:43:49
EDT
From: OrangeFell@aol.com
Subject: Re:
Team3S:Paint
Matthew, the fading is not due to lack of clearcoat- in
fact, most red, black, and basic white cars don't come with clearcoat.
It's just too much hassle to get depth in the clear that makes it worthwhile for
auto manufacturers to put forth the effort. Between that, and the fact
that even bare most paints have enough durability to last the legnth of the rust
warranty, they forego the use of clear on cars that don't gain anything with a
normal amount.
Nope, the fading you're experiencing is from flex
additive- whoever was in the spray booth at Mitsu that afternoon got the mix
just a wee bit off, and the pigment was thinned too much. Flex additives
are added for spraying on complex fibreglass/plastic body components because of
their tendency to reject primers. The additive will bond to the foreign
curved surface, but at a price- mixing is somewhat more difficult.
It may have been mixed on the button, and the additive was too
concentrate. There are LOTS of variables that can set up such a
situation.
Give those sections a good polish using 3M Imperial Hand
Glaze, followed with generous amounts of Zymol polish and Meguiar's #26 yellow
paste. Work it in heavily, and I bet it will look better than
before. :)
And to the person who asked about the red color code,
run with Jeff's code if it's first gen, try mine (R25) if it's second- R25 is
off a 94.
Kenneth
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:37:27
-0700
From: "Francis Morice" <fas3@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S:
Front end vibration
Wondering if anyone has any ideas as to where I
should start looking for the
cause of my front end vibration. After
doing a hard launch and getting the
wheels chirping, I heard a clanging noise
and noticed my car starting to
shake after shifting into second gear.
My boost spiked up to 1.36(water
injection). At first I suspected the
clutch, thinking I might have glazed
it or something, but it doesn't seem to
be getting any better. The other
thing I noticed now is a little back
fire in between shifting at high rpm,
which is when the front end seems to
shake the most. I have also noticed my
check engine light coming on
more often than it has in the past.(I am using
a test pipe with gutted cats
in a 96 RT/TT; OBDII). My next thought is
maybe I have a vaccuum hose
leak somewhere, or I do indeed have a clutch
problem. Any ideas would
be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Francis
96RT/TT
SAVC-R, test
pipe, gutted precats, DSM 1st Gen BOV, HKS MegaFlow filter,
Magnacore wires,
NGK plugs gapped to .32, Spearco Water Injection, RPS Turbo
Carbon Claw
clutch(2nd or 3rd version).
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:24:59
-0700
From: "Murat Okcuoglu" <murat@dellnet.com>
Subject:
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Team3S:_My_new_3S_email_=E0ddr=E8ss_and_venting_to_atm?=
=?iso-8859-1?Q?osphere.?=
if you have an open enough exhaust, you get a
nice fireworks show
otherwise, it burns in the system possibly clogging
cats
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Vineet Singh (3S)"
<stealthtt@ecanfix.com>
To:
"Team3S" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Sunday, August 06, 2000 4:52 PM
Subject: Team3S: My new 3S email àddrèss and
venting to atmosphere.
> Hello everyone, I got really ... really
sick of HOTMAIL. They were
> losing my posts, deleting my emails, filling
up with too much junk
> (and only a 2mb limit!), and bouncing people (I
even got an email from
> an AOL person saying that I SUCKED, because I
blocked their email
> address, and if they new (that's how they spelled
it) my address they
> would send the CD back and never use it again... all
this for a dumb
> "MAILER DAEMON" message to their account from stupid
hotmail!).
>
> SO, I decided to utilize the tools I already had,
just never
> implemented, I now have POP access, and as such, my new "3/S
related"
> email address is stealthtt@ecanfix.com . If you have
emails related to
> CD's, the gimmiemymanual@hotmail.com address
is still valid, I will
> keep using THAT one for a long time. Hopefully
now, I will be able to
> answer posts quickly and efficiently, and my
"sent emails" will not be
> "delayed" (something that I have seen hotmail
doing more and more
> recently).
>
> Anyway, that's one thing
that's new... the other, this weekend(lots of
> fun!), we installed a
hallman boost controller on a relatively stock
> 94' 3000gt. We don't have
a permanent boost gauge installed in it yet
> (no vdo's in stock anywhere!
if you know/have one, please mail me),
> but we did hook mine up to a T
and a line to under the hood and the
> windshield wiper. Set it to
14-15psi in 3rd gear (full load), and the
> car just flies! (plus it looks
like a muscle car with the gauges out
> on the hood/windshield :) just
kidding, it was temporary so we could
> "Set and Forget" the boost
controller)
>
> In fact, Mike, the owner (and I) was really
surprised to see it break
> the rear tires loose around a turn, scared me
a bit, but hell,
> obviously it's making some power! Yay! Later on, he and
a BPU'ed supra
> went out for a street race. The Supra is an a/t, running
23-25 psi!
> His car is only putting out 15psi at most. Well he lost twice
by about
> 3 car lengths, but I would still say that was very respectable
for
> adding what, 200$ of stuff to a stock 3/S? Wow! (not to mention
the
> fact that if it was even slightly raining, like it had been
earlier,
> the 3/S would have rocked! :)
>
> He has an APEX
Sequential BOV, I understand it's "dual chambered". Can
> someone tell me
how this damn thing works? And how it allows him to
> vent to atmosphere,
and not stall when off throttle? It sounds really
> wicked... and I
usually don't care about stuff like that.
>
> Just for kicks I
pulled the 1gDSM BOV off the MAF tube, plugged the
> tube, and drove
around for the rest of the day with it venting to
> atmosphere. While it's
fun to hear all that noise (and intimidate
> anyone around you!), it sucks
that half the time my car will stall
> when rolling to a stop. I have an
SAFC, and heard that it's possible
> to vent, yet retain drivability, how
does one do this?
>
> Obviously, between shifts on a vented car, the
ECU will run REALLY
> rich for a second, because it dumps in fuel for a
certain amount of
> air it had counted (which is now gone/vented). So what
fixes this?
>
> Thanks for listening!
>
> Vineet
Singh
> http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/FAQ-CAPS.htm
- Get your FREE CAPS here!
> http://manualcd.dsm.org - DSM & 3/S
Service manuals on CDROM
> 91' AWD A/T TALON TWIN TURBO
> 92'
Stealth RT/TT TWIN TURBO
> 73' 240z, soon to be MITSU TURBO POWERED (4g63t
RWD)
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:30:28
-0400
From: "Michael Booker" <mrbook@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: My
new 3S email àddrèss and venting to atmosphere.
Mine is very open....a
high-flow cat and no mufflers, and I don't have any
fireworks show, or
backfiring.
Matt
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:53:37
-0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject:
=?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Team3S:_My_new_3S_email_=E0ddr=E8ss_and_venting_to_atm?=
=?iso-8859-1?Q?osphere.?=
When you lift and cause the pressure drop, the
throttle plate is essentially
closed or damn close to it, and the ECU isn't
dumping quite as much fuel as
people seem to think. There is a rich
condition that is there anyway
whether venting to atmosphere or not. It
is only there momentarily and it
is a normal condition.
I have a Blitz
SSBOV which vents to atmosphere and have had zero stumbling
problems, neither
off-idle nor between shifts nor at idle. There has been
no abnormal
amount of excess fuel spewing out of the tailpipe or backfires
and the
like.
I know some have had difficulties with BOVs in general, and
specifically
with the Blitz SSBOV, and I am aware of the problems some DSMs
experience
with venting to atmosphere. I also know some DSM owners with
vent to
atmosphere systems without problems and a number of SSBOVs on a
number of
cars all without abnormal operation. *shrug*
I am
fairly convinced the problem is improper installation in the cases
where a
known-working BOV is blamed for such problems.
Barry
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
>
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On
Behalf Of Murat Okcuoglu
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 7:25 PM
>
To: Vineet Singh (3S); Team3S
> Subject: Re: Team3S: My new 3S email
àddrèss and venting to atmosphere.
>
>
> if you have an open
enough exhaust, you get a nice fireworks show
> otherwise, it burns in the
system possibly clogging cats
>
>
>
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: "Vineet Singh (3S)" <stealthtt@ecanfix.com>
> To:
"Team3S" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 4:52 PM
> Subject: Team3S: My new 3S email
àddrèss and venting to atmosphere.
>
>
> > He has an APEX
Sequential BOV, I understand it's "dual chambered". Can
> > someone
tell me how this damn thing works? And how it allows him to
> > vent to
atmosphere, and not stall when off throttle? It sounds really
> >
wicked... and I usually don't care about stuff like that.
> >
>
> Just for kicks I pulled the 1gDSM BOV off the MAF tube, plugged the
>
> tube, and drove around for the rest of the day with it venting to
>
> atmosphere. While it's fun to hear all that noise (and intimidate
>
> anyone around you!), it sucks that half the time my car will stall
>
> when rolling to a stop. I have an SAFC, and heard that it's
possible
> > to vent, yet retain drivability, how does one do
this?
> >
> > Obviously, between shifts on a vented car, the
ECU will run REALLY
> > rich for a second, because it dumps in fuel for
a certain amount of
> > air it had counted (which is now gone/vented).
So what fixes this?
> >
> > Thanks for listening!
>
>
> > Vineet Singh
> > http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/FAQ-CAPS.htm
- Get your FREE CAPS here!
> > http://manualcd.dsm.org - DSM & 3/S
Service manuals on CDROM
> > 91' AWD A/T TALON TWIN TURBO
> >
92' Stealth RT/TT TWIN TURBO
> > 73' 240z, soon to be MITSU TURBO
POWERED (4g63t RWD)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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