team3s             Sunday, August 6 2000             Volume 01 : Number 226




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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:26:12 -0700
From: "Dave Holden" <dholden@deadkenny.northern-lights.bc.ca>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Factory alarm

Dale,

I have had problems with my alarm too.  The door switches are really cheap
and I had to take mine apart to clean and lubricate them a couple of times.
Also, the mounting bracket for the hood switch is made from a strip of metal
only slightly thicker than tin foil.  I had to bend mine up again to stop my
alarm from going off at 3:00AM and making my neighbors really like me.  I
think it probably got bent while the mechanic was replacing my clutch.  My
apologies if you have already tried these fixes.

Regards,
Dave Holden
Pearl White '91 R/T
Vancouver, BC

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Dale T. Kroetz
> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 5:07 PM
> To: 3000GT List
> Subject: Team3S: Factory alarm
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>     I'm at wit's end about what to do with my malfunctioning factory
> alarm. Anybody have a parts car that I could get the alarm
> computer out
> of? Mine is a 92SL, don't know what years will interchange.
>
> --
>
>
>
> Dale T. Kroetz
> kroetz@mvn.net
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:22:09 -0700
From: Richard <radanc@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Problem diagnosis needed

Hey guys,

Any clue what my problems could be. I noticed a whine noise (sorry best
way I can describe it) the other day while cruising at about 80-90 mph
up hill. It was the first time I heard it. At first I thought it was
tranny related, and then heard it again in second between lights at
about 3,500 rpm during acceleration. I looked under and noticed I had
some leakage and wasn't sure if it was tranny oil or engine oil. I
brought my stealth into the shop and was diagnosed with master clutch,
booster, and slave problem. The pump seal broke and all clutch fluid
exited. I got it back today and it still makes that noise!!?? It appears
mostly in second at 3,500 rpm but sometimes in first. When it appeared
in first it didn't recur in second. The only mods I currently have is a
S&B conical filter. The noise today sounds to come retro from the engine
like about mid to rear of car. Not as bad as it was the other day in the
sun about 96 and humid (I drove it at night today 70 and cool). I was
concerned about turbos at first, but power is good with no change. The
noise seems to come as maximal air is sucked into the filter (just
installed a month ago). Could this be additional air and back pressure
that the exhaust (stock can't deal with)? No warning lights or anything.
Help?@!

Rich

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:12:19 -0400
From: "Ukyo[T]" <ukyo@avana.net>
Subject: Team3S: Sunroof / misc.

The sunroof in my '97 base coupe creaks when I go
over bumps or turn corners at decent speeds.  Is this
a common problem?  There is no leakage of air or
water.  If I bump the roof back about 1/8 an inch it
stops making the noises.  Catch to that being that it
then makes wind noise.  Does it sound like a simple
adjustment, or is there possibly some body stress?
Has anyone here had this problem before?

I have been all over the web looking for specs on the
various years and models of 3000GTs.  I can not find
one web site that lists all of the information I am looking
for.  3000GT.com would be the place to go, but 90% of
the links do not work.

Is there any place I can go to get all of the specs and
possibly list prices for all of the variations on the
3000GT from '91 to '99?  Any help would be
appreciated.  I'm trying to determine which year of VR4
I need to set my sights on for when I pay off my base
coupe.  Thanks in advance for you help.

- --Travis
'97 3000GT (Base/Red)



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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:16:30 -0700
From: "Bbizo" <bbizo@telisphere.com>
Subject: Team3S: Problem diagnosis needed

Travis -

I've read many posts relative to this problem, and almost every one is the
result of the blowoff valve making more noise because the filter setup has
changed. It always seems to kick in around 3500 RPM but is referred to as
more of a honk than a whine. The bottom line is, there really is no problem
other than the annoying noise.

Bob Bissonette


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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:41:51 EDT
From: COMETOTHEZOO@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Problem diagnosis needed

The annoying noise (honk) and a complete loss of boost that just leaked out
of the faulty factory BOV. The cheap cure is a first gen BOV for a DSM but
that requires a flange mod to vent back into the intake. Otherwise use of a
double chamber BOV like HKS or I used the the apex. Sometimes, if you vent to
atmosphere,  your engine will go lean because the ECU has incorporated that
air. The first gen mod is best to prevent this but my apex double chamber has
no problem at all with drop off even venting to atmosphere.
my $0.02

94 3000 VR4
http://hometown.aol.com/cometothezoo/
Mike Murray

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 11:17:22 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: List prices & used prices, 3/S '91-'99 (was: Sunroof / misc.)

- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ukyo[T]" <ukyo@avana.net>
- -----------snip--------------
> I have been all over the web looking for specs on the
> various years and models of 3000GTs.  I can not find
> one web site that lists all of the information I am looking
> for.  3000GT.com would be the place to go, but 90% of
> the links do not work.
> Is there any place I can go to get all of the specs and
> possibly list prices for all of the variations on the
> 3000GT from '91 to '99?  Any help would be
> appreciated.  I'm trying to determine which year of VR4
> I need to set my sights on for when I pay off my base
> coupe.  Thanks in advance for you help.    --Travis


When looking for useful information about our cars on the web, you might
want to start from our own Team3S website.  We have 70+ pages of the
latest information and techniques, and over 700 pages of searchable
archives, updated every day or two...

The list prices, and current wholesale/retail used prices for ALL years
of Stealth and 3000GT are on our site...  Find it from our FAQ page -
it's under "The Basics - Info for 'Newbies' " section...

We also have all the specs for all years and models of the 3S line, but
it's still being edited, and has not yet been put up on our website.
Check the FAQ pages again in a day or two.  It will be under "Basics",
too.

The best years for both Stealths and 3000GTs are 1994 to 1996.  The last
year for AWS was '96, and years that followed marked a number of other
discontinued features and unwelcome styling changes.  Arguably, the best
year was 1994, considered to be so because of the best combination of
features, styling, and "moddability".

We'd like to suggest that everyone check our Team3S FAQ pages
*frequently*.  Our website is always current, and is being added to on a
weekly (and sometimes daily) basis.  It is also the fastest website,
since we are FREE and don't allow advertising, and we don't use
ponderous "bells and whistles" code.  (Our only banners are from
owner-members, and those are only on the "preferred vendors" pages,
"coming soon to a theatre near you...").



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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 11:30:57 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: List prices & used prices, 3/S '91-'99 (was: Sunroof / misc.)

- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ukyo[T]" <ukyo@avana.net>
- -----------snip--------------
> I have been all over the web looking for specs on the
> various years and models of 3000GTs.  I can not find
> one web site that lists all of the information I am looking
> for.  3000GT.com would be the place to go, but 90% of
> the links do not work.
> Is there any place I can go to get all of the specs and
> possibly list prices for all of the variations on the
> 3000GT from '91 to '99?  Any help would be
> appreciated.  I'm trying to determine which year of VR4
> I need to set my sights on for when I pay off my base
> coupe.  Thanks in advance for you help.    --Travis


When looking on the web for useful information about our cars, you might
want to start from our own Team3S website.  We have 70+ pages of the
latest information and techniques, and over 700 pages of searchable
archives, updated every day or two...  NOTE:  If you are new to
computing and you do not clean out your "cache" regularly, be sure to
click the "reload" or "refresh" button on your browser to see the latest
changes, once you get to the FAQ page...

The list prices, and current wholesale/retail used prices for ALL years
of Stealth and 3000GT are on our site...  Find it from our FAQ page -
it's under "The Basics - Info for 'Newbies' " section...

We also have all the specs for all years and models of the 3S line, but
it's still being edited, and has not yet been put up on our website.
Check the FAQ pages again in a day or two.  It will be under "Basics",
too.

The best years for both Stealths and 3000GTs are 1994 to 1996.  The last
year for AWS was '96, and years that followed marked a number of other
discontinued features and unwelcome styling changes.  Arguably, the best
year was 1994, considered to be so because of the best combination of
features, styling, and "moddability".

We'd like to suggest that everyone check our Team3S FAQ pages
*frequently*.  Our website is always current, and is being added to on a
weekly (and sometimes daily) basis.  It is also the fastest website,
since we are FREE and don't allow banner advertising, and we don't use
ponderous "bells and whistles" code.  (Our only banners are from
owner-members, and those are only on the "preferred vendors" pages,
"coming soon to a theatre near you...").

Best,

Bob Forrest
for the Team3S Admin
www.stealth-3000gt.st







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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 13:35:33 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Problem diagnosis needed

> Sometimes, if you vent to atmosphere,  your engine will
> go lean because the ECU has incorporated that air.

Rich, not lean.  Minor correction.  ;-)

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
15G's, etc.

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 11:42:28 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Team3S: Admin Note:  Duplicate posts...

Apologies for my last post being sent twice...

It appears that Jeff has solved our recent double-posting problem, so
please don't think it's starting again with my error...  :-)  If anyone
is still receiving duplicate posts, please alert Jeff to the fact by
sending him the full headers from *both* posts, so he can determine the
origin of the problem.  jeff.mohler@netapp.com

Now, back to your regularly scheduled chaos...

Best,

Forrest







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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:24:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Hull <mh800597@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Car Paint

I want to think everyone for your help on fixing my bumper!!

I have one more question, does anyone know what exact color code for the
RED Dodge Stealth.  THANKS AGAIN!!

- -Matt


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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:52:25 -0700
From: "Vineet Singh (3S)" <stealthtt@ecanfix.com>
Subject: Team3S: =?iso-8859-1?Q?My_new_3S_email_=E0ddr=E8ss_and_venting_to_atmosphere.?=

Hello everyone, I got really ... really sick of HOTMAIL. They were
losing my posts, deleting my emails, filling up with too much junk
(and only a 2mb limit!), and bouncing people (I even got an email from
an AOL person saying that I SUCKED, because I blocked their email
address, and if they new (that's how they spelled it) my address they
would send the CD back and never use it again... all this for a dumb
"MAILER DAEMON" message to their account from stupid hotmail!).

SO, I decided to utilize the tools I already had, just never
implemented, I now have POP access, and as such, my new "3/S related"
email address is stealthtt@ecanfix.com . If you have emails related to
CD's, the gimmiemymanual@hotmail.com address is still valid, I will
keep using THAT one for a long time. Hopefully now, I will be able to
answer posts quickly and efficiently, and my "sent emails" will not be
"delayed" (something that I have seen hotmail doing more and more
recently).

Anyway, that's one thing that's new... the other, this weekend(lots of
fun!), we installed a hallman boost controller on a relatively stock
94' 3000gt. We don't have a permanent boost gauge installed in it yet
(no vdo's in stock anywhere! if you know/have one, please mail me),
but we did hook mine up to a T and a line to under the hood and the
windshield wiper. Set it to 14-15psi in 3rd gear (full load), and the
car just flies! (plus it looks like a muscle car with the gauges out
on the hood/windshield :) just kidding, it was temporary so we could
"Set and Forget" the boost controller)

In fact, Mike, the owner (and I) was really surprised to see it break
the rear tires loose around a turn, scared me a bit, but hell,
obviously it's making some power! Yay! Later on, he and a BPU'ed supra
went out for a street race. The Supra is an a/t, running 23-25 psi!
His car is only putting out 15psi at most. Well he lost twice by about
3 car lengths, but I would still say that was very respectable for
adding what, 200$ of stuff to a stock 3/S? Wow! (not to mention the
fact that if it was even slightly raining, like it had been earlier,
the 3/S would have rocked! :)

He has an APEX Sequential BOV, I understand it's "dual chambered". Can
someone tell me how this damn thing works? And how it allows him to
vent to atmosphere, and not stall when off throttle? It sounds really
wicked... and I usually don't care about stuff like that.

Just for kicks I pulled the 1gDSM BOV off the MAF tube, plugged the
tube, and drove around for the rest of the day with it venting to
atmosphere. While it's fun to hear all that noise (and intimidate
anyone around you!), it sucks that half the time my car will stall
when rolling to a stop. I have an SAFC, and heard that it's possible
to vent, yet retain drivability, how does one do this?

Obviously, between shifts on a vented car, the ECU will run REALLY
rich for a second, because it dumps in fuel for a certain amount of
air it had counted (which is now gone/vented). So what fixes this?

Thanks for listening!

Vineet Singh
http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/FAQ-CAPS.htm - Get your FREE CAPS here!
http://manualcd.dsm.org - DSM & 3/S Service manuals on CDROM
91' AWD A/T TALON TWIN TURBO
92' Stealth RT/TT TWIN TURBO
73' 240z, soon to be MITSU TURBO POWERED (4g63t RWD)



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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:55:40 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
Subject: Team3S: Rear Window / Hatch

I posted this one time, and got a few responses.

I am looking for the rear window, or better yet, the rear hatch off any
3000GT or Dodge Stealth.  Wanting to buy ASAP.

My car is waiting on this before I can paint, or even drive it.

- -Cody


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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:35:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rear Window / Hatch

Man..id offer ours..but were not quite ready to look for someone to do a
fiberglass hatch yet.



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On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, cody wrote:

> I posted this one time, and got a few responses.
>
> I am looking for the rear window, or better yet, the rear hatch off any
> 3000GT or Dodge Stealth.  Wanting to buy ASAP.
>
> My car is waiting on this before I can paint, or even drive it.
>
> -Cody
>
>
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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:28:16 EDT
From: OrangeFell@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: RE: Car Paint

If I remember offhand, Firestorm Red's color code (on the data plate under the hood) is R25.  The actual option on ordering through a dealer was PE7.

If you decide on a auto body shop using PPG system paints, I can assure you they will match- their system is derived from the factory colors from every auto manufacturer, and any mistakes in final tone are that of the man in the spraybooth.  PPG has matching colors for all the colors of 3/S, by the actual color code, and if I remember correctly, were used as the factory original mixtures. 

Anyways, there's your info, and I wish you luck in the finishing process-

Kenneth

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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 08:03:36 -0700
From: Richard <radanc@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Denso Iridium Plugs

Anyone try these plugs? I am going to install them next week.

Rich
92 Stealth TT

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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:15:37 CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: List prices & used prices, 3/S '91-'99 (was: Sunroof / misc.)

Actually, the all-wheel steering was used in ALL years of the VR4 and 91-94
in the Stealth Twin Turbo.

I can line up almost every year VR4 and show you, if you want to come up to
Minnesota.  ;)  hehe.  just kidding.......

later,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org


>From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
>To: "Ukyo[T]" <ukyo@avana.net>, <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject: Team3S: List prices & used prices, 3/S '91-'99 (was: Sunroof

>
>The best years for both Stealths and 3000GTs are 1994 to 1996.  The last
>year for AWS was '96, and years that followed marked a number of other

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