team3s
Saturday, August 5
2000 Volume 01
: Number
225
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Date:
Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:28:52 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: RAM AIR for Stealth
- ----- Original Message ----- From:
"Nickolaos M. Sgouros"
<
atenag@coqui.net>
> Friends
Hi
> I am planning to do a modification to my air intake and I am
trying
to
> figure how to get fresh air directly from outside. I have
read some
time ago
> that the most common way is to get the air stream
behind the right
> intercooler but is too low and I don't wont to risk
water. My car is
the
> first generation RT TT and I was wondering if I
can cut the plastic
front
> bumper and install a RAM AIR exactly at the
point the second
generation cars
> have the Dodge emblem. Anyone has
something done?
> I appreciate your feedback
> Nikos the
Greek
> 92' RT TT
> Puerto Rico
Hey, Nick,
Admin
Jim Matthews has some good ideas (diagrams too) on one of his
pages.
You might want to take a look...:
http://members.stealth-3000gt.st/~matthews/intake.htmlBest,
Forrest
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:43:08
-0700
From: "Chris Maxwell" <
shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Bee Racing GTO in SCC
Anyone read the article yet? It has some
pretty wicked stuff on it that
allow it low 11 second 1/4 mile passes.
Some of the more notable mods are:
HKS GT2835 ball bearing turbos
HKS
680cc injectors
HKS EVC Pro (you guys seen the price on this
yet...woah...)
HKS F-Con V
HKS Hiper Damper Coil overs
"OEM AP Racing
brake system"
I didn't know HKS made an F-Con V and Hiper Dampers for our
cars. All I can
say is DAMN. Btw, this is a daily driven GTO in
Japan...which means no roll
bar so it can't drag in the
U.S.
Chris
92 R/T TT
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:19:21
-0700
From: "Ryan Peterson" <
ryanp@crcwnet.com>
Subject: Team3S:
Momo steering wheel install
Having trouble. I got an adapter hub from
Ultraperformance that fits the
spline pattern just fine. The problem is the
adapter won't fit unless I
permanently remove the clock spring. Am I asking
for trouble losing the
clock spring, or is it only an airbag device?
Also, it looks like I'll have
to splice back under the dash to reconnect the
horn because of the way the
wiring passes though the clock
spring.
Anyone installed one of these and have any insight?
Ryan
Peterson
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:47:54
-0700
From: Richard <
radanc@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: 550 cc
injectors
I'm looking for some help from some of you guys that have done
a lot of
mods to your stealth/3000GT. I am planning on upgrading to the 550
cc
injectors, and am a bit puzzled by the price variance from
different
suppliers of the injectors for our cars. I have seen them listed as
a
HKS product from $900-$2,000. I was told by one tuner that
Nippon
supplies the injectors to HKS and they can be gotten from them
for
about $600 much cheaper then from HKS. Are they the same injectors?
How
much is reasonable for good injectors? I apologize if I have missed
a
past posting on this issue.
Rich
92 Stealth TT
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:37:43
-0700
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <
jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
If you are considering upgraded
injectors..shoot for 720s.
550s ARE larger, but with anything more than a
moderate turbo upgrade, you'll
run outta injector again. (using 80% as a
maximum duty rate)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Richard [
mailto:radanc@home.com]
Sent: Friday,
August 04, 2000 10:48 PM
Cc: 'Team3S List'; 'Starnet 3Si Mailing
List'
Subject: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
I'm looking for some help
from some of you guys that have done a lot of
mods to your stealth/3000GT. I
am planning on upgrading to the 550 cc
injectors, and am a bit puzzled by the
price variance from different
suppliers of the injectors for our cars. I have
seen them listed as a
HKS product from $900-$2,000. I was told by one tuner
that Nippon
supplies the injectors to HKS and they can be gotten from them
for
about $600 much cheaper then from HKS. Are they the same injectors?
How
much is reasonable for good injectors? I apologize if I have missed
a
past posting on this issue.
Rich
92 Stealth TT
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:04:55
-0400
From: "Russ Coxe" <
rcoxe@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
Momo steering wheel install
> Having trouble. I got an adapter hub
from Ultraperformance that fits the
> spline pattern just fine. The
problem is the adapter won't fit unless I
> permanently remove the clock
spring. Am I asking for trouble losing the
> clock spring, or is it only
an airbag device? Also, it looks like I'll
have
> to splice back
under the dash to reconnect the horn because of the way the
> wiring
passes though the clock spring.
>
> Anyone installed one of these
and have any insight?
Ryan,
Yup, you are correct.
I removed the
clock spring to install the new Momo wheel.
You will loose the air bag, self
canceling turn signals, and the horn
connection.
I didn't bother with
trying to make the horn work, but I think you have the
right idea of splicing
into the wiring
harness. Just make sure that you add enough wire so that it
can wrap around
the column about 3 times.
- -Russ Coxe
VRC
Racing
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:25:30
-0500
From: "Oskar" <
swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
550 cc injectors
Rich, I have been wondering about this myself.
Hopefully someone will
answer your question.
Oskar
'95 R/T
TT
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <
jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To:
"'Richard'" <
radanc@home.com>
Cc:
"'Team3S List'" <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"'Starnet 3Si Mailing List'"
<
stealth@starnet.net>
Sent: Saturday,
August 05, 2000 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
>
If you are considering upgraded injectors..shoot for 720s.
>
> 550s
ARE larger, but with anything more than a moderate turbo
upgrade,
you'll
> run outta injector again. (using 80% as a maximum
duty rate)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard [
mailto:radanc@home.com]
> Sent: Friday,
August 04, 2000 10:48 PM
> Cc: 'Team3S List'; 'Starnet 3Si Mailing
List'
> Subject: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
>
>
> I'm
looking for some help from some of you guys that have done a lot of
> mods
to your stealth/3000GT. I am planning on upgrading to the 550 cc
>
injectors, and am a bit puzzled by the price variance from different
>
suppliers of the injectors for our cars. I have seen them listed as a
>
HKS product from $900-$2,000. I was told by one tuner that Nippon
>
supplies the injectors to HKS and they can be gotten from them for
>
about $600 much cheaper then from HKS. Are they the same injectors?
How
> much is reasonable for good injectors? I apologize if I have missed
a
> past posting on this issue.
>
> Rich
> 92 Stealth
TT
>
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:48:19
-0400
From: "Ukyo[T]" <
ukyo@avana.net>
Subject: Team3S: Atlanta
area newbie with mod questions
Hi list! Let me start with saying I
am very glad to find this list, and I
hope to gather some information without
being too annoying. :)
I recently (May 14th, 2000) became the proud
owner of a '97 3000GT base
coupe. I love the car, but after these few
short months of driving it, I
have come to want more power from it.
What are some of the more common mods
that can be done to the SOHC enigine to
give it a little more get up and go?
The main reason I am asking here is due
to my total lack of mechanical
aptitude (more from not knowing than not being
able to do). I would prefer
to have a professional in my area (Atlanta)
do the work, but I wanted to ask
the experts (you guys) on what I should have
done. I don't want to race it
seriously, I just want to bust the
occasional Mustang / Camaro off the line
when the mood hits me.
All in
all I just want a little more spunk in the take off, and a little
more ease
of acceleration at the 100+ mph area. It seems to strain after
hitting
100. Is this common?
Sorry if this is an ill formatted post,
hopefully I will be able to ween the
posts down to pertinent content as my
experience here grows. Thanks in
advance for any help you guys can
offer.
- --Travis
'97 3000GT (Base/Red)
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:49:45
-0700
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <
jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
As I see six 550cc injectors will only
produce 490hp (crank) at 80% duty, at
40psi static pressure (at 10psi it
would still be measured as 40psi, because the
FPR adds 10 to
compensate..etc)
Im not sure what the stock fuel pressure is, but it cant
be much more than
43-48psi (minor difference, maybe 10hp)
If yer going
for the mods associated with larger injectors, why not spend only a
few bucks
more, and get massive overhead with 720s instead.
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Oskar [
mailto:swede@pclink.com]
Sent: Saturday,
August 05, 2000 12:26 PM
To: 'Richard'
Cc: 'Team3S List'
Subject: Re:
Team3S: 550 cc injectors
Rich, I have been wondering about this
myself. Hopefully someone will
answer your
question.
Oskar
'95 R/T TT
- ----- Original Message
-----
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <
jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To:
"'Richard'" <
radanc@home.com>
Cc:
"'Team3S List'" <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"'Starnet 3Si Mailing List'"
<
stealth@starnet.net>
Sent: Saturday,
August 05, 2000 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
>
If you are considering upgraded injectors..shoot for 720s.
>
> 550s
ARE larger, but with anything more than a moderate turbo
upgrade,
you'll
> run outta injector again. (using 80% as a maximum
duty rate)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard [
mailto:radanc@home.com]
> Sent: Friday,
August 04, 2000 10:48 PM
> Cc: 'Team3S List'; 'Starnet 3Si Mailing
List'
> Subject: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
>
>
> I'm
looking for some help from some of you guys that have done a lot of
> mods
to your stealth/3000GT. I am planning on upgrading to the 550 cc
>
injectors, and am a bit puzzled by the price variance from different
>
suppliers of the injectors for our cars. I have seen them listed as a
>
HKS product from $900-$2,000. I was told by one tuner that Nippon
>
supplies the injectors to HKS and they can be gotten from them for
>
about $600 much cheaper then from HKS. Are they the same injectors?
How
> much is reasonable for good injectors? I apologize if I have missed
a
> past posting on this issue.
>
> Rich
> 92 Stealth
TT
>
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:01:28
-0500
From: "Oskar" <
swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
550 cc injectors
Jeff, although your point may be of interest to some, we
should not let the
original question get overlooked.
Oskar
'95 R/T
TT
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <
jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
To:
"'Oskar'" <
swede@pclink.com>;
"'Richard'" <
radanc@home.com>
Cc:
"'Team3S List'" <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent:
Saturday, August 05, 2000 2:49 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: 550 cc
injectors
> As I see six 550cc injectors will only produce 490hp
(crank) at 80% duty,
at
> 40psi static pressure (at 10psi it would
still be measured as 40psi,
because the
> FPR adds 10 to
compensate..etc)
>
> Im not sure what the stock fuel pressure is,
but it cant be much more than
> 43-48psi (minor difference, maybe
10hp)
>
> If yer going for the mods associated with larger
injectors, why not spend
only a
> few bucks more, and get massive
overhead with 720s instead.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: Oskar [
mailto:swede@pclink.com]
> Sent:
Saturday, August 05, 2000 12:26 PM
> To: 'Richard'
> Cc: 'Team3S
List'
> Subject: Re: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
>
>
>
Rich, I have been wondering about this myself. Hopefully someone
will
> answer your question.
>
> Oskar
> '95 R/T
TT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mohler, Jeff"
<
jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
> To:
"'Richard'" <
radanc@home.com>
>
Cc: "'Team3S List'" <
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>;
"'Starnet 3Si Mailing
List'"
> <
stealth@starnet.net>
> Sent:
Saturday, August 05, 2000 1:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Team3S: 550 cc
injectors
>
>
> > If you are considering upgraded
injectors..shoot for 720s.
> >
> > 550s ARE larger, but with
anything more than a moderate turbo upgrade,
> you'll
> > run
outta injector again. (using 80% as a maximum duty rate)
> >
>
> -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard [
mailto:radanc@home.com]
> > Sent:
Friday, August 04, 2000 10:48 PM
> > Cc: 'Team3S List'; 'Starnet 3Si
Mailing List'
> > Subject: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
>
>
> >
> > I'm looking for some help from some of you guys
that have done a lot of
> > mods to your stealth/3000GT. I am planning
on upgrading to the 550 cc
> > injectors, and am a bit puzzled by the
price variance from different
> > suppliers of the injectors for our
cars. I have seen them listed as a
> > HKS product from $900-$2,000. I
was told by one tuner that Nippon
> > supplies the injectors to HKS and
they can be gotten from them for
> > about $600 much cheaper then
from HKS. Are they the same injectors? How
> > much is reasonable for
good injectors? I apologize if I have missed a
> > past posting on this
issue.
> >
> > Rich
> > 92 Stealth TT
>
>
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:08:29
+0300
From: 363 EARS/TANK121 <
363EARS.TANK121@psab.af.mil>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
Stock base fuel pressure is 43.5
psi
550's are good for around 457-496hp at 80%
660's are good for around
549-595hp at 80%
720's are good for around 598-649hp at 80%
The
variance is due to no real numbers on what out engines BSFC is so I just
used
.507-.55 which seems to be a educated guess. Am I the only one who
loves
doing the math for max HP with injectors? I'm a twisted, twisted
man!
Trevor
96 R/T TT
12.65@107.9-Stock Turbos and Fueling on 91
Octane
Now with 15G's, Inoperable 550's, ARC2-GP, HKS Pump, and Two Chipped
Pistons
:(
92 GMC Typhoon
13.96@96.4- -----Original
Message-----
From: Mohler, Jeff [
mailto:jeff.mohler@netapp.com]
Sent:
Saturday, August 05, 2000 10:50 PM
To: 'Oskar'; 'Richard'
Cc: 'Team3S
List'
Subject: RE: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
As I see six 550cc
injectors will only produce 490hp (crank) at 80% duty, at
40psi static
pressure (at 10psi it would still be measured as 40psi, because
the
FPR
adds 10 to compensate..etc)
Im not sure what the stock fuel pressure is,
but it cant be much more than
43-48psi (minor difference, maybe
10hp)
If yer going for the mods associated with larger injectors, why not
spend
only a
few bucks more, and get massive overhead with 720s
instead.
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:12:51
+0300
From: 363 EARS/TANK121 <
363EARS.TANK121@psab.af.mil>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
Oops...as far as I know HKS injectors are
just remarked Nippon Densos. I'm
not sure if HKS puts any time into them flow
matching or spray pattern
testing them though. $600 for Nippon Denso's is a
very good price! Which
tuner is that?
Trev
- -----Original
Message-----
From: Oskar [
mailto:swede@pclink.com]
Sent: Saturday,
August 05, 2000 11:01 PM
To: Mohler, Jeff; 'Richard'
Cc: 'Team3S
List'
Subject: Re: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
Jeff, although your
point may be of interest to some, we should not let the
original question get
overlooked.
Oskar
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Richard [
mailto:radanc@home.com]
> > Sent:
Friday, August 04, 2000 10:48 PM
> > Cc: 'Team3S List'; 'Starnet 3Si
Mailing List'
> > Subject: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
>
>
> >
> > I'm looking for some help from some of you guys
that have done a lot of
> > mods to your stealth/3000GT. I am planning
on upgrading to the 550 cc
> > injectors, and am a bit puzzled by the
price variance from different
> > suppliers of the injectors for our
cars. I have seen them listed as a
> > HKS product from $900-$2,000. I
was told by one tuner that Nippon
> > supplies the injectors to HKS and
they can be gotten from them for
> > about $600 much cheaper then
from HKS. Are they the same injectors? How
> > much is reasonable for
good injectors? I apologize if I have missed a
> > past posting on this
issue.
> >
> > Rich
> > 92 Stealth
TT
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:44:33
+0200
From: "Roger Gerl \(RTEC\)" <
roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: 550 cc injectors
> Stock base fuel pressure is 43.5
psi
Yep !
> 550's are good for around 457-496hp at 80%
>
660's are good for around 549-595hp at 80%
> 720's are good for around
598-649hp at 80%
At BSFC of 0.55 (normal for turbo engines) the lowest
figures are correct !
> loves doing the math for max HP with
injectors? I'm a twisted, twisted
man!
No, I made an excel sheet a
year ago that really helped over the days ;-))
Under the line, it's a
price question as the RC720 (Bosch) are much more
expensive than the RC550
(Lukas ?). The HKS units are normally a little
bored out and flow/pattern
matched. Just the same what RC does ! The normal
720cc Densos can be had for
around $120 each on the market. Just make sure
you get the right ones that
fit our cars.
Before one asks, no I do not support increasing fuel
pressure because tuning
in a fuel controller simply becomes an almost
impossible task and getting a
good idle would be close to a big win in Las
Vegas. Also spray pattern will
be degraded !
Roger
93'3000GT
TT
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Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:06:30
-0500
From: "Dale T. Kroetz" <
kroetz@mvn.net>
Subject: Team3S: Factory
alarm
Hi Guys,
I'm at wit's end about what to do
with my malfunctioning factory
alarm. Anybody have a parts car that I could
get the alarm computer out
of? Mine is a 92SL, don't know what years will
interchange.
- --
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 20:05:41
-0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew Hull <
mh800597@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Subject:
Team3S: Front Bumper
I have a problem,
Some
idiot backed into my car and left a dent in the front bumper. I
took
off the whole bumper to see if I could get the dent out. After a long time
of
trying I decided it isn't going to come out looking good. So I was
wondering if anyone
knows the price of a painted new front bumper for a 94
Stealth. Just an estimate
will be good enough. Thanks!!
-
-Matt
94 Stealth R/T TT (Red).
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 18:52:35
-0700
From: "Mohler, Jeff" <
jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Factory alarm
I have a 95 VR4, alarm is yours if the offer is
reasonable..and matches a 92
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dale
T. Kroetz [
mailto:kroetz@mvn.net]
Sent:
Saturday, August 05, 2000 5:07 PM
To: 3000GT List
Subject: Team3S: Factory
alarm
Hi Guys,
I'm at wit's end about what to
do with my malfunctioning factory
alarm. Anybody have a parts car that I
could get the alarm computer out
of? Mine is a 92SL, don't know what years
will interchange.
- --
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