team3s            Wednesday, July 26 2000            Volume 01 : Number 214




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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:31:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Stephen C. Kempf" <kempfsc@mail.auburn.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Valve/cam timing, is that the problem?

Zeoswolf,

You might want to do what I did and check the cam timing yourself as Cody
suggested. It's not difficult. The front bank timing belt cover lifts
right off after the bolts are removed. The back bank cover is a little
more difficult if you want to remove it entirely; however, it can be
lifted far enough out of the way after the bolts are removed to see the
timing marks if you don't want to remove it entirely. I just disconnected
the coil wires and then hit the ignition a bunch of times until the marks
could be seen and then put the car in gear and pushed/rocked it forward or
back until the marks on the front bank cams lined up.Then I checked the
marks on the rear bank. A flashlight will help, particularly on the rear
bank. See my post from earlier today for a description of what the marks
and pointers look like (at least on my 93 Stealth ES).

Steve

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:53:30 -0700
From: "Bbizo" <bbizo@telisphere.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?

The stock mufflers really blow. I replaced mine with a Camoro/Firebird type
Flowmaster. I don't have the part number but I can get it if your
interested. I punched another hole for the small port on the muffler and
welded the whole thing in with new tips. It greatly reduced back pressure
and made a wonderful rumble.


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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:56:44 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?

We replaced ours with...nothing.

95 VR4 exhaust 4-sale.

>From convertor-back (comes with 'sport tuned' OEM convertor *heh), uses stock 3"
pipe to back of car, then splits off into dual 3" pipes W/Stainless tips.

http://tgn.net/~gemohler/done.JPG

Is a prototype of what we have for sale, but with a MUCH better Y-section.

SF/Bay Area only please..we aint shipping this...

Going custom for racin'  (can probly drop another 40lbs too)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bbizo [mailto:bbizo@telisphere.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 9:54 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?


The stock mufflers really blow. I replaced mine with a Camoro/Firebird type
Flowmaster. I don't have the part number but I can get it if your
interested. I punched another hole for the small port on the muffler and
welded the whole thing in with new tips. It greatly reduced back pressure
and made a wonderful rumble.


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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:31:57 +0200
From: Jim Matthews <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: Team3S: dead battery - suggestions?

Well, the original MOPAR battery in my '94 TT finally died right at 80k miles.
Should I just replace it with a stock Mitsu battery, or should I go for
something a little more interesting (Optima, etc.)?  Anyone have suggestions for
a battery that will fit in the stock location with the stock mounting hardware?
Thanks!

Please reply privately and I'll post a summary.  Thanks!

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Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline fluids (trans, xfer, diff)
Porterfield cryo-treated rotors, RS4 pads, braided lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:27:22 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?

> Were you able to eliminate the annoying resonance the Borla produces at
cruising
> RPMs (2-3k)?  Roger spoke with some exhaust specialists a while back and
they
> suggested that the mufflers used for this application are too small.  The
Borla
> does sound awesome, but this resonance is the main reason I'd lean towards
the
> Greddy...

I don't think mine has a resonance like what you are describing...  I don't
think there's any reason to cruise at under 3000 RPM though, so I don't
really spend much time below 3000.  I get worse fuel economy if I'm not near
3000-3500 RPM where the engine is more efficient.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:43:16 +0100
From: Gordon Tyrrell <gordon.tyrrell@openet-int.com>
Subject: Team3S: Locking rear diff

A friend just imported a '93 VR4 from Japan and when you drive it slowly
on full lock the rear inside wheel locks every couple of turns. This was
normal for a Starion I had fitted with a racing diff (and annoying too)
but it doesn't happen with my '93 VR4 from japan.

My question is this. Is there a racing diff available that might be
fitted to the car causing this or is it more likely trouble with the std
one?

Gordon
Dublin, Ireland
1993 Japanese Import VR4
http://fly.to/mr2.ie

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:14:04 +0200
From: Jim Matthews <jim@the-matthews.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?

"Jannusch, Matt" wrote:
>
> I'd dump the stock exhaust completely.  Get a high-flow cat and some form of
> cat-back exhaust.  I have the Borla setup and I can tell you that it in no
> way sounds "wussy" or like a Honda, which is what I assume you mean.  It
> actually sounds nearly V8-like with the pre-cats gutted and the high-flow
> cat on.  On deceleration I get a nice rumble, and a smooth low note while
> cruising.  On hard acceleration it sounds just plain mean.  The stock
> exhaust sounds like a vacuum cleaner and I'm glad my car doesn't have it on
> there anymore...

Were you able to eliminate the annoying resonance the Borla produces at cruising
RPMs (2-3k)?  Roger spoke with some exhaust specialists a while back and they
suggested that the mufflers used for this application are too small.  The Borla
does sound awesome, but this resonance is the main reason I'd lean towards the
Greddy...

My understanding is that unless the ENTIRE exhaust is upgraded from the turbos
back, performance gains will be minimal.  Therefore, if the primary objective is
a more aggressive exhaust note, the best approach might be to simply replace the
muffler as bbizo (I thought we were supposed to use real names in here?)
suggests...

- --
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Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline fluids (trans, xfer, diff)
Porterfield cryo-treated rotors, RS4 pads, braided lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque


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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:01:44 -0400
From: "John T. Christian" <jczoom@iname.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re:  The Shootout!

Hi all,

Sooooo upset that my TT is still undergoing head gasket surgery in my
garage.  I had planned on painting Stealth logos on my '87 Park Ave so I
could be a cheering section, but that broke too.

Good to hear we had a reasonable showing.

I'll be there in 2001 to regain my second place status -- I can only
beat the Xwing for so long.

Congrats to those who participated in the DSM Shootout.

Be of good cheer,
John

[snip]
xwing wrote:
>
> DSM Shootout 2000 is Done, and I think it was great!
>
> We almost TRIPLED the number of 3S cars compared to last year,
>  etc are ALL planning to be at DSM Shootout 2001--So are YOU!!
> Pencil in your calendar, it is always mid July!
>
> Jack Tertadian
>
>
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Email---> JCZooM@iname.com 
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:46:18 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?

Personally this resonance is a Mitsu issue.

A car with THAT much sheet metal and no sound proofing is going to be next to
impossible to design an exhaust wont resonate much IMHO.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Matthews [mailto:jim@the-matthews.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 7:14 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?


"Jannusch, Matt" wrote:
>
> I'd dump the stock exhaust completely.  Get a high-flow cat and some form of
> cat-back exhaust.  I have the Borla setup and I can tell you that it in no
> way sounds "wussy" or like a Honda, which is what I assume you mean.  It
> actually sounds nearly V8-like with the pre-cats gutted and the high-flow
> cat on.  On deceleration I get a nice rumble, and a smooth low note while
> cruising.  On hard acceleration it sounds just plain mean.  The stock
> exhaust sounds like a vacuum cleaner and I'm glad my car doesn't have it on
> there anymore...

Were you able to eliminate the annoying resonance the Borla produces at cruising
RPMs (2-3k)?  Roger spoke with some exhaust specialists a while back and they
suggested that the mufflers used for this application are too small.  The Borla
does sound awesome, but this resonance is the main reason I'd lean towards the
Greddy...

My understanding is that unless the ENTIRE exhaust is upgraded from the turbos
back, performance gains will be minimal.  Therefore, if the primary objective is
a more aggressive exhaust note, the best approach might be to simply replace the
muffler as bbizo (I thought we were supposed to use real names in here?)
suggests...

- --
Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
mailto:jim@the-matthews.com (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://www.the-matthews.com

*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
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Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline fluids (trans, xfer, diff)
Porterfield cryo-treated rotors, RS4 pads, braided lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque


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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:01:55 -0700
From: "Red Stealth" <stealth95red@yahoo.com>
Subject: Team3S: Engine Vibration

Hi stealth/3000gt guru,

I have been having some problem with my Stealth 95 base and would really
appreciate if any one could help me out.


Car:
95 Stealth, base model with Automatic transmission.
77K miles.


Symptom:
Engine/transmission Vibration at 1000rpm - 1300rpm at stand still (0 mph).
A week ago when I took it out of the dealer was vibrating at 1100-1500rpm (I
could be wrong).


Background:
Transmission blown during a normal stop and go city traffic.
Gear started dropping from 4 to 3 to 2 and finally first gear, with free rev
(not engaged) in between.  At the end, it has to be stop for a few minutes and
restart the engine in order to move for about 100feet.  Managed to performed
this until I reach the dealer which was about 1/2 a mile away.

I had it replaced with a rebuild transmission at the dealer but I notice the
abnormal vibration before I even move the car from the shop.
The power seems to be slightly lag but the car does run.

The dealer claim that it was my spark plugs or wires.
I then replaced the rotor&cap, plugs and cables but the vibration was still
there.


Questions:
1. Could I have screwed up the engine when I forced the car to move when the
transmission was breaking down.

2. Could the dealer screw up anything during the replacement procedure?

3. Could it be the rebuild transmission?

4. At neutral gear, it there any motion in the transmission?
what part of the transmission are in touch with the engine flywheel?

5. What could I do?


Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks


Henry.


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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:57:41 EDT
From: "Dg B" <dbretton@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: KVR pads -any good-

Hi folks!

  I have a quick question.   I am looking for some new brake pads for my
car, and one option that I ran across was KVR carbon fiber pads.

I know nothing of these, and how well they perform against stock-ish rotors,
but would like some opinions.

If they are carbon fiber, I would imagine that they would be very harsh
against the rotors and take a while to "warm up".

Any opinions?  What other pads should I look at?  My intended use is purely
for street, but I do want something with more grip than the stock pads.

Thanks again!

Regards,
   Dennis
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:02:22 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: KVR pads -any good-

You should look at porterfield R4-S pads.

You do NOT want CF pads on the street.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dg B [mailto:dbretton@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 1:58 PM
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: KVR pads -any good-


Hi folks!

  I have a quick question.   I am looking for some new brake pads for my
car, and one option that I ran across was KVR carbon fiber pads.

I know nothing of these, and how well they perform against stock-ish rotors,
but would like some opinions.

If they are carbon fiber, I would imagine that they would be very harsh
against the rotors and take a while to "warm up".

Any opinions?  What other pads should I look at?  My intended use is purely
for street, but I do want something with more grip than the stock pads.

Thanks again!

Regards,
   Dennis
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:06:37 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: Team3S: Out of office notice

Hello to the great List.  I will be on vacation and attending part of the
First Blue Ridge Gathering this weekend.  If you get any message from me
stating "I am out of the office" just ignore it.  Thanks and I'll be back
next week.

- --Flash!
(a.k.a. Darren Schilberg)
dschilberg@freemarkets.com <mailto:dschilberg@pobox.com>

3Si #577
1995 Black VR-4 and K&N FIPK
http://www.ec3s.org/gallery.shtml <http://www.ec3s.org/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi>

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:18:20 -0100
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re:  The Shootout!

Heh, don't worry about spelling my name right, no one does :P  Actually, I ran
12.678@105.93.  That was with a 1.742 60' and 8.085 in the 1/8th.  I think the
red 1st gen ran 12.48 (chirping second gear nicely) but he (don't recall the
name) has turbos and turned a 111 trap that I recall.  I think a faster time
is within reach as I've run as fast as 3 back-back 109s, but time will tell.
    Enough about that.  I had an awesome time and met the best people.  I even
learned more about my car (and other 3Ss) in the 3 days I was there than any 3
month period I can recall.  The track is gorgeous, easily the nicest I've been
to.  Did anyone mention the fast cars?  I saw Extreme's Mirage turn a high 9
at 149, Mike Simon's 4G63 (dsm engine) powered, back-halved CRX with big
slicks and a wheelie bar turn a high 9, and Pleboni's (sp?) Starion turn a
high 9 if I recall correctly, and of course John Shepherd ran the 10.12 in a
mild appearing 1st gen DSM that someone said is street-driven regularly.
Completely second hand info, don't kill me if it's not.  They've all run
quicker, but it was nice to seen them run that fast.  It's also more than just
racing, it's a great learning experience and fun to meet everyone, including
the big names.  It's also pretty cool how much attention a VR4 gets in the
midst of cars that are 3 seconds faster, they're not exactly 'sleepers' :)  It
even appears that this hum-drum town has a wild night side to it if you know
where to look and don't find out at the last minute.  Anyone who is able to go
and doesn't is truly missing out, this was the single most fun time I've had
with my car.  A small note:  Anyone planning to attend should try to stay at
the Econo Lodge nearest to the track.  The DSM Shootout crowd overtook the
hotel with an easy 50-60 cars there.  There may have been a handful of rooms
that were not DSMers and I think they were booked solid.

More fun next year,
Jason
3rd place managing no better than 13.0 at 105 making .7-.8 bar...  Then I
found the boost leak and all 3 passes afterwards were personal records with no
new mods.
12.67
12.78
12.69



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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:03:43 CDT
From: "Danny Erick" <ttstealth@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Check Engine light coming on.

Thanks for all the help guys. I really hope the plugs and wires is all it
is. And not bad capacitators in the ECU. Driving it to the shop yesterday
the problem had gotten much worse. When leaving a stop sign the car would
stall if it wasn't at at least 3500 RPMS and then if it did go it went VERY
slowly until 2nd gear while jittering a lot. =( But I'll keep you posted. Is
there a way for them to check if this is the problem before actually
replacing them? And also what is the best gap for the plugs?

Dan Erick
Red 92 Stealth R/T
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Date: 26 Jul 2000 18:13:55 -0700
From: John Monnin <jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject: Team3S: Sealant conversions

I am finally starting to re-assembly my engine and I was wondering if anyone knew the RTV sealant equivalent for the following sealants mentioned in the service manual:

Valve covers:  3M ATD Part No 8660 or equivalent
Oil pan: Mitsubishi MD997110 sealant

Out of curiousity does anyone know why the factory manual suggests bleeding valve lash adjusters with diesel fuel?  I would think that it would be better to use oil since diesel fuel is so thin.

I also wanted to thank John Adams Garage for the Shifter boot installion guides.  I installed the black JC Whitney boot and it looks and fits great!

John Monnin
jkmonnin@altavista.com
1991 3000GT VR4
soon to be back in action...


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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:14:54 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: KVR pads -any good-

I have KVR carbon comp pads on my '94 and KVR rotors.  The pads I have are
not full blown carbon fiber but rather a carbon composite -- different deal.

The carbon comp pads produce a fair amount of dust, don't work great until
they are warmed up a bit and will overheat from braking at high speeds (140+
mph down to 40 or so) or frequent moderate speed slow-downs (120 mph down to
40 or so).  They also squeal now and then but not as bad as some  (probably
superior stopping) setups I have seen.  Full-on race brakes tend to squeal
anyway -- fact of life.  Pad life is probably a little worse than stock, but
not bad.

They work (for me) far better than stock but would likely not be good for
heavy track use although I have used the combination under auto-X conditions
and have zero complaints.  After overheating they come back very quickly and
once at operating temperature they don't fade unless they are really abused
as mentioned above.

Some have apparently had cracking problems with the KVR rotors.  Mine have
not been raced on a road course, but have seen some very high speed use.
They show no signs of stress or abnormal wear.  KVR claims the cracked ones
were by far the exception rather than the rule.  Hopefully they have
corrected any problems they may have encountered if any problems even
existed.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Dg B
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 1:58 PM
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: KVR pads -any good-
>
>
> Hi folks!
>
>   I have a quick question.   I am looking for some new brake pads for my
> car, and one option that I ran across was KVR carbon fiber pads.
>
> I know nothing of these, and how well they perform against
> stock-ish rotors,
> but would like some opinions.
>
> If they are carbon fiber, I would imagine that they would be very harsh
> against the rotors and take a while to "warm up".
>
> Any opinions?  What other pads should I look at?  My intended use
> is purely
> for street, but I do want something with more grip than the stock pads.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Regards,
>    Dennis
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:25:19 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Heartland Park Report (very long!)

Can you offer more input how the tires worked for you..wear..stickyness..etc?

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:31:59 -0400
From: Jeff.A.Williamson@jci.com
Subject: Team3S: Clutch Master Cylinder Repair?

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Over the past few days, I noticed the clutch pedal on my '92 VR4 was
feeling spongy. Today, on the way home from work, the pedal went all the
way to the floor, so I stopped at the nearest bar to figure things out. I
checked the clutch master cylinder reservoir, and it was empty. I checked
for leaks in the hydraulic system and found a trail of fluid inside the car
on the driver's side. It looked like it was dripping from the clutch pedal
pushrod and draining down the dead pedal and under the carpet. So after a
few beers, I bribed someone to go to the store and get me some brake fluid.
Then I filled up the reservior, pumped the clutch pedal a few times until I
felt pressure, and was able to make it most of the way home before the
pedal went to the floor again.  One more refill and a few pumps of the
pedal, and I made it the rest of the way home just before the pedal went to
the floor again in my driveway. Then I had another few beers.

I'm assuming that the master cylinder seals are bad. So here are my
questions:

1) Is a clutch master cylinder repair kit available, or does the master
cylinder have to be replaced.
2) Assuming the master cylinder has to be removed, whether it has to be
replaced or kitted, is the removal difficult?
3) I've replaced master cylinders on other cars before, but I've seen posts
to this list that led me to believe that the clutch hydraulics on our cars
are power assisted, which is something I've never worked with before. Does
this propose any additional problems?
4) Is repair or replacement of the master cylinder something I should
attempt, or is this better left to a dealer?

Has anyone else had this problem before, and can you give me any insight to
my questions? Am I making the correct assumption that the clutch master
cylinder seals are bad?

Jeff Williamson
Belleville, MI
'92 VR4
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:46:28 EDT
From: Zeoswolf@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Team 3S: half throttle more punchy??

does anyone seem to have a punchier, quieter engine at like half or 3/4
throttle rather than slammed to floor?  i had my 60k done a month and a half
ago and this all started a little while after that.  i brought it back to the
dealership and they tested it and said everything was 100% on point.  any
ideas?  and now that i have installed my stillen hi flow intake with a k&n
filter, it just seems to be loud as HELL now.. should it really be making
that big of a difference in sound level?  it is more powerful now with the
intake.. so it is making a difference not just noise.  ANY IDEAS!!!!??

james
94R/T

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:57:31 -0700
From: "Brandon Thomas" <a3kgtlvr@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: still backfiring

    Hey guys I just spent over seven grand rebuilding my engine and now it
is backfiring. When it was rebuilt it got new plugs and I put on new wires
hoping it would fix the problem but it didn't. It only does it when I
completly floor it and it usually hapens around five thousand rpms. I would
really apreciate any replies and thanks for helping me out.

Brandon Thomas

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:59:16 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Sealant conversions

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of John Monnin
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 6:14 PM
> To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Team3S: Sealant conversions
>
>
> I am finally starting to re-assembly my engine and I was
> wondering if anyone knew the RTV sealant equivalent for the
> following sealants mentioned in the service manual:
>
> Valve covers:  3M ATD Part No 8660 or equivalent
> Oil pan: Mitsubishi MD997110 sealant

Any good high temp (600F+), non-hardening, silicone based sealant will do.
These are readily available at Home Depot, AutoZone, Checker, probably
Target, and many other places.  Some sealants can adversely affect various
sensors especially O2 sensors.  Get the stuff that is labelled as sensor
friendly to avoid any confusion.  Read the package and see if it
specifically says to not use with petroleum products.  Most are fine though.
Follow the curing directions and it'll be all good.

> Out of curiousity does anyone know why the factory manual
> suggests bleeding valve lash adjusters with diesel fuel?  I would
> think that it would be better to use oil since diesel fuel is so thin.

Diesel will allow air to bleed out as it is thin.  It will also act as a
detergent and it is reasonably friendly to engine oil.  Oil may allow proper
air bleeding as it can (and will) trap air bubbles due to the much higher
viscosity.  Do NOT use gasoline as it will break down the oil.  Although the
manual recommends it, brand new ones should be fine without being bled as
they usually arrive wrapped in a sealed plastic covering (mine did) pre-bled
and filled.


Barry


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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:16:26 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Team 3S: half throttle more punchy??

Part throttle openings are likely going to be leaner since at WOT the ECU
pretty much just pukes fuel into the engine.  A rich mixture will not be as
lively as a leaner one.  It is also possible that at WOT the new filter is
running too lean (which could also cause an apparent lag in performance) but
I doubt that's the case.

The amount of flow through the system definitely affects volume and tone of
the exhaust.  An open element filter will usually be a lot louder than the
stock airbox and it may howl at certain flow rates.  It'll most likely be
louder at higher rates.

Other than the change in noise, which is totally expected, there doesn't
appear to be a real problem.  The ECU should be able to compensate for the
minor changes you mention.

One possible problem with open filters on the vortex-style airmeter is that
they can affect calibration.  The vortex airmeter which is stock on the VR4
is supposed to be very accurate.  The accuracy though requires that the
airflow pattern be predictable across its range of oepration.  Changing the
filter may cause the airflow pattern to change enough that the airmeter no
longer is able to report accurate measurements.  If these inaccuracies are
small then the ECU will relearn and adjust using fuel trim algorithms with
no real problem since degradation of the airmeter and other sensors is
expected over time.  If the differneces are dramatic (one drive to the next
for instance) then it can cause serious drivability issues.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
> does anyone seem to have a punchier, quieter engine at like half or 3/4
> throttle rather than slammed to floor?  i had my 60k done a month
> and a half
> ago and this all started a little while after that.  i brought it
> back to the
> dealership and they tested it and said everything was 100% on point.  any
> ideas?  and now that i have installed my stillen hi flow intake
> with a k&n
> filter, it just seems to be loud as HELL now.. should it really be making
> that big of a difference in sound level?  it is more powerful now
> with the
> intake.. so it is making a difference not just noise.  ANY IDEAS!!!!??
>
> james
> 94R/T
>
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:30:35 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Kuhmo tires

At 07:25 PM 7/26/00 -0700, jeff.mohler@netapp.com wrote:
>Can you offer more input how the tires worked for you..wear..stickyness..etc?
>
The Kumhos stick very well. They appear to be good for a second or more per
lap over the Yoko 032R tires. They are so sticky that I would come off
track with other people's castoff tread embedded in my tires.

I ordered them shaved, but Tire Rack didn't shave them, so we had to deal
with some very strange wear patterns. The Kumhos have a big tread block on
the outside edge, and that block wears like iron. But it tends to squeeze
the first inner tread -- apparently squishing it up like a big pimple under
hard cornering -- so it wears rapidly. If it had been shaved, this
allegedly would not have happened. In any case, the tires look something
like this now:

- -----______ where  --- is the outside tread block. Yeah, it's wearing more
inside than out. Go figure.

Many racers say this is all perfectly normal, and the wear will even out.

Heartland Park is primarily left hand turns, so the right front wears
something fierce. We moved it to the rear halfway through Saturday, then
changed side to side on Sunday, trying to even out the wear. By the end of
the weekend, most visible tread was worn off all four, leaving me with
slicks. There is still plenty of tire left, judging by the wear bars, but I
don't know how many events I'll get out of them.  Certainly not anywhere
near as much as the Yokos. On the other hand, racer lore says that a shaved
tire will last longer than an unshaved tire, so maybe they will stop
wearing so fast now that the excess tread has been scuffed off.

It is very weird to see a set of tires go through all their visible tread
in 210 track miles, but such is the way of a racer's life I guess. Without
tread, I certainly won't be able to use them in the rain, not like the Yokos.

I am also going to dial in some more negative camber -- going from the
present -1.5 deg to maybe -3 deg -- because Kumhos apparently like more
camber.

The jury is still out on whether they are worth a second a lap. The Yokos
wear great, work in the rain, and my old ones still have some tread after
5+ events. If you are in doubt, you cannot go wrong with Yoko 032R tires.

The acid test will be at the Hawkeye Downs autocross in September (a half
mile paved oval plus an inner 1/4 mile paved oval and NO PYLONs, except to
keep us in the low groove on the high banks). Last time, on Yokos, I was
5th fastest out of 60+ Corvettes, and missed FTD by less than 2 seconds. If
the Kuhmos help me get FTD, they will be worth every cent. I can't wait to
see the expression on the faces of the Corvette owners when the Mitsu kicks
ALL their butts. AAARRRR!!!.

Rich/old poo/94 VR4

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:41:21 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Team3S: Ohio and Michigan folks alert!

The Shelby club just opened up their event due to lack of interest:

More registrants wanted for Shelby Club Motor City Region's open track
this Monday 7/31 at Gingerman Raceway, South Haven Michigan.  At
this point, Ford power is not a requirement if you want to leave your Shelby
in storage.

info at  http://www.saac-mcr.com

Jeff Carlson
'96 SVT Mystic Cobra

Rich/old poop



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