team3s             Tuesday, July 25 2000             Volume 01 : Number 213




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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:19:05 -0400
From: "Michael" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Conversions / Traction Control

I disagree.  My friend has a galant VR4 with a "stutterbox".  The way he
explained it, is that it changes the rev limiter down to a set value (say
5K) when the vehicle is not moving and reverts to normal when the vehicle is
in motion.  I haven't actually seen it, but he tells me it allows his 20G
turbo to partially spool up for the launch.

Michael
98 VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Geoff Mohler
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:06
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Conversions / Traction Control


Ive sent a request for more data for my Supra.

However..I did point out a stupid ugly error of thiers.


They claim that by using thier unit as a launch rev-limiter (which IS
cool) you can just nail the gas to say 4k rpm, and watch boost climb.


*bzzz*

Wrong.  We'll see what they have to say about my comments on that.



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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:27:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Conversions / Traction Control

I would agree that it allows the turbo to spinn UP (shaft rpm) but boost?



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On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Michael wrote:

> I disagree.  My friend has a galant VR4 with a "stutterbox".  The way he
> explained it, is that it changes the rev limiter down to a set value (say
> 5K) when the vehicle is not moving and reverts to normal when the vehicle is
> in motion.  I haven't actually seen it, but he tells me it allows his 20G
> turbo to partially spool up for the launch.
>
> Michael
> 98 VR4
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Geoff Mohler
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:06
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Conversions / Traction Control
>
>
> Ive sent a request for more data for my Supra.
>
> However..I did point out a stupid ugly error of thiers.
>
>
> They claim that by using thier unit as a launch rev-limiter (which IS
> cool) you can just nail the gas to say 4k rpm, and watch boost climb.
>
>
> *bzzz*
>
> Wrong.  We'll see what they have to say about my comments on that.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:23:13 -0400
From: "Michael" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Conversions / Traction Control

I was also told me that I could have my 3S bounce off the normal rev limiter
and watch it build boost.  I just haven't been brave enough to try it, and
definately wouldn't risk a launch that way.

Michael
98 VR4



- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Geoff Mohler
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 11:20
To: Jannusch, Matt
Cc: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Conversions / Traction Control


Yer kidding.

Ive honestly never seen a turbo motor ever build boost W/O load.

Im wanting to understand why that happens..on your car..etc.



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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:27:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Stephen C. Kempf" <kempfsc@mail.auburn.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Valve/cam timing, is that the problem?

Cody,

I followed your suggestion and removed the timing belt covers to check the
cam timing on my Stealth. What I found rather scares me, but I want to
make sure I've got it right before I express my concerns to the dealer.

Looking at the "back" (the side closest to the head) of the cam gears I
found two "sets" of marks on each gear. A single groove and opposite 2
adjacent grooves. I assume that these gears can be used on either the
exhaust or intake side, but that when properly installed, on the front
bank, the single groove should line up with the tip of the "triangular"
shaped pointer on the exhaust side of the head and the double grooves
should each line up with the left and right edges of the "square" shaped
pointer on the intake side of the head while on the back bank the intake
gear single groove lines up with the tip of the "triangular" shaped
pointer on the intake side and the double groove with the "square" shaped
pointer on the exhaust side. Assumming this is correct, the cams on the
front bank are right on; however, when the timing marks are properly
aligned on the front bank, the ones on the cams on the rear bank are as
follows. The double groove on the exhaust side of the rear bank is right
on the mark, the single groove on the intake side is 5 gear teeth advanced
(rotated toward the front of the engine). Arrrrrrrrrrgh! #%$@**&%$#$%++!!

This concerns me, because it's so far off that there might be potential
for valve damage. What do you think? I'm don't want to go back to the
dealer until I have this documented and know where I stand. And, of
course, who knows what happened on the crankshaft end of the belt
installation.

I addressed this to Cody, but replies from anyone are welcome.

Thanks,

Steve
kempfsc@auburn.edu



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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:27:53 -0400
From: "Michael" <mdorsey@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Conversions / Traction Control

I just tried bouncing my 3S off the rev-limiter.  No boost.  My friend does
swear by the stutterbox though.  I'll see if I can get some more details
from him.

Michael
98 VR4

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 11:23
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Conversions / Traction Control


I was also told me that I could have my 3S bounce off the normal rev limiter
and watch it build boost.  I just haven't been brave enough to try it, and
definately wouldn't risk a launch that way.

Michael
98 VR4



- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Geoff Mohler
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 11:20
To: Jannusch, Matt
Cc: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Conversions / Traction Control


Yer kidding.

Ive honestly never seen a turbo motor ever build boost W/O load.

Im wanting to understand why that happens..on your car..etc.



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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:30:13 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Conversions / Traction Control

Im taking an edukashun on this in other places too.

*hmm...*



- -----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Mohler [mailto:gemohler@www.speedtoys.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 8:28 AM
To: Michael
Cc: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: Conversions / Traction Control


I would agree that it allows the turbo to spinn UP (shaft rpm) but boost?



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On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Michael wrote:

> I disagree.  My friend has a galant VR4 with a "stutterbox".  The way he
> explained it, is that it changes the rev limiter down to a set value (say
> 5K) when the vehicle is not moving and reverts to normal when the vehicle is
> in motion.  I haven't actually seen it, but he tells me it allows his 20G
> turbo to partially spool up for the launch.
>
> Michael
> 98 VR4
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Geoff Mohler
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:06
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Conversions / Traction Control
>
>
> Ive sent a request for more data for my Supra.
>
> However..I did point out a stupid ugly error of thiers.
>
>
> They claim that by using thier unit as a launch rev-limiter (which IS
> cool) you can just nail the gas to say 4k rpm, and watch boost climb.
>
>
> *bzzz*
>
> Wrong.  We'll see what they have to say about my comments on that.
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:40:18 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Valve/cam timing, is that the problem?

Well, it sounds liek I was right about your problem then...  as I told you
before, if there would be any valve damage related to this, it owuld have
already happened.  unless it was to get off the timing marks even further.
That would be rare unless the tensioner has failed.

- - Take pictures if you can of the timing marks.  that way you can show the
dealer what happened without taking the car apart in front of them.  Then
demand they fix it.  they broke it, they fix it - simple as that.  If they
refute, or say everything is OK, is the car still under warranty?

If so, find another Dodge/Chrysler dealership to do the work free of charge.

- -Cody



- -----Original Message-----
From: Stephen C. Kempf [mailto:kempfsc@mail.auburn.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 10:29 AM
To: cody
Subject: RE: Team3S: Valve/cam timing, is that the problem?


Cody,

I followed your suggestion and removed the timing belt covers to check the
cam timing on my Stealth. What I found rather scares me, but I want to
make sure I've got it right before I express my concerns to the dealer.

Looking at the "back" (the side closest to the head) of the cam gears I
found two "sets" of marks on each gear. A single groove and opposite 2
adjacent grooves. I assume that these gears can be used on either the
exhaust or intake side, but that when properly installed, on the front
bank, the single groove should line up with the tip of the "triangular"
shaped pointer on the exhaust side of the head and the double grooves
should each line up with the left and right edges of the "square" shaped
pointer on the intake side of the head while on the back bank the intake
gear single groove lines up with the tip of the "triangular" shaped
pointer on the intake side and the double groove with the "square" shaped
pointer on the exhaust side. Assumming this is correct, the cams on the
front bank are right on; however, when the timing marks are properly
aligned on the front bank, the ones on the cams on the rear bank are as
follows. The double groove on the exhaust side of the rear bank is right
on the mark, the single groove on the intake side is 5 gear teeth advanced
(rotated toward the front of the engine). Arrrrrrrrrrgh! #%$@**&%$#$%++!!

This concerns me, because it's so far off that there might be potential
for valve damage. What do you think? I'm don't want to go back to the
dealer until I have this documented and know where I stand. And, of
course, who knows what happened on the crankshaft end of the belt
installation.

I addressed this to Cody, but replies from anyone are welcome.

Thanks,

Steve
kempfsc@auburn.edu

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:20:20 -0400
From: "Dave Holden" <dholden@deadkenny.northern-lights.bc.ca>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Valve/cam timing, is that the problem?

Stephen,

I had the same problem with my car and it cost me 6 bent intake valves and a
head job.  Since your car still runs ( mine would not even fire ) you are
probably OK.  I think 5 teeth is right on the margin of the "no
interference" zone.

Regards,
Dave Holden
Pearl White '91 R/T
Vancouver, BC

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Stephen C. Kempf
> cams on the
> front bank are right on; however, when the timing marks are properly
> aligned on the front bank, the ones on the cams on the rear
> bank are as
> follows. The double groove on the exhaust side of the rear
> bank is right
> on the mark, the single groove on the intake side is 5 gear
> teeth advanced
> (rotated toward the front of the engine). Arrrrrrrrrrgh!
> #%$@**&%$#$%++!!
>


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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:05:13 +0100
From: George Shaw <george.shaw@btinternet.com>
Subject: Team3S: Traction Control

OK
I have bought a full traction control system from
http://www.racelogic.co.uk for the 1995 3KGT Twin Turbo.

I will detail and get photos of the install and setup for any that are
intersted. I will also run before/after times to see what differance it makes.

I also bought (god help the credit card this month) a set of Blitz Type-03
18x9 wheels and Yoko AVS Sport 235/40 R18 (wheels were £470 each and the
rubber was £199 each Plus VAT at 17.5% stuff is dear in the UK). I am now
after a Bomex aero kit to set it off. Next is a HID conversion and a full
alarm/security fit. If anyone wants me to details all the mods as I do them
just ask.

He goes the next few weeks of spare time:-)

Can anyone answer my question on weather a manual sunroof can be converted
to electric?? How? What is needed? Also the passenger side window changed
to express operation just like the drivers side?

George
TacTic


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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:48:03 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Traction Control

> OK
> I have bought a full traction control system from
> http://www.racelogic.co.uk for the 1995 3KGT Twin Turbo.

Why would you want to add traction control to an AWD car?  I don't
understand...  I've never had traction problems in any street situation at
all.  ?????  I've done an AWD burnout in the bleach box at the dragstrip,
but that's a different story...

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Wise <diranged@south-park.cc>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Traction Control

My thoughts exactly.. traction control on an awd car? Uhhhhhhh.... When
was your last checkup? Please go again..

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Jannusch, Matt wrote:

> > OK
> > I have bought a full traction control system from
> > http://www.racelogic.co.uk for the 1995 3KGT Twin Turbo.
>
> Why would you want to add traction control to an AWD car?  I don't
> understand...  I've never had traction problems in any street situation at
> all.  ?????  I've done an AWD burnout in the bleach box at the dragstrip,
> but that's a different story...
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:46:35 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Traction Control

George:

Without looking up in the roof itself it would be hard to tell if the hole is
the same size..etc.

But while dis-asembling our 95 VR4, I noticed that the elec. roof is held in
quite easily with just a few simple bolts.

I have the entire unit, bolts, ancors, switches, motors and wiring from swith to
motor just layin aropund waiting for a new home.

- -----Original Message-----
From: George Shaw [mailto:george.shaw@btinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 11:05 AM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Traction Control


OK
I have bought a full traction control system from
http://www.racelogic.co.uk for the 1995 3KGT Twin Turbo.

I will detail and get photos of the install and setup for any that are
intersted. I will also run before/after times to see what differance it makes.

I also bought (god help the credit card this month) a set of Blitz Type-03
18x9 wheels and Yoko AVS Sport 235/40 R18 (wheels were £470 each and the
rubber was £199 each Plus VAT at 17.5% stuff is dear in the UK). I am now
after a Bomex aero kit to set it off. Next is a HID conversion and a full
alarm/security fit. If anyone wants me to details all the mods as I do them
just ask.

He goes the next few weeks of spare time:-)

Can anyone answer my question on weather a manual sunroof can be converted
to electric?? How? What is needed? Also the passenger side window changed
to express operation just like the drivers side?

George
TacTic


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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:49:50 PDT
From: "Ryan Meador" <captainrye@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?

Anyone- Is it feasable to extrude the stock intake opening in our active
exhaust mufflers and weld a 3" pipe to it? Then do the same to the exhaust
openings??? Is the exhaust big enough on the inside to handle this? Is it
free-flowing enough to be worth it? I know that sounds illogical, but I
really enjoy the quieter exhaust tone when not playing hard but would also
like the benefit of 3" when needed. No flames please- just a reality check.
I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too.
Ryan '93 VR4
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:57:16 -0400
From: Brian Geisel <brian.geisel@compaq.com>
Subject: Team3S: OEM Parts

Where is the best place for me to find OEM parts?  I need to get a
throwout bearing for a '94 3000GT VR-4, anyone have any good
suggestions?  I've heard there's a dealership in TN, but I don't know
the number.  Anyone?

TIA,
geis


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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:08:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?

I think if you are still using the stock downpipe, pre-cats, main
cat, and muffler, there is not much to gain performance-wise by
attaching a few 3" pipes to the stock muffler. The stock cat-back
exhaust pipes are almost 3 inches in diameter, at least to the
muffler. I have some comparisons of the stock and ATR systems at the
link below.

http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/2-atr.htm

To have your cake and eat it too, you might consider gutting the
pre-cats, adding an aftermarket downpipe, and replacing  the main-cat
with a high-flow version. These are the main restrictions. The car
would still look stock (except from below) and I don't think the
noise would increase much at all.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Stealth 316
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Meador" <captainrye@hotmail.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 1:49 PM
Subject: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?

Anyone- Is it feasable to extrude the stock intake opening in our
active exhaust mufflers and weld a 3" pipe to it? Then do the same to
the exhaust openings??? Is the exhaust big enough on the inside to
handle this? Is it free-flowing enough to be worth it? I know that
sounds illogical, but I really enjoy the quieter exhaust tone when
not playing hard but would also like the benefit of 3" when needed.
No flames please- just a reality check. I'm trying to have my cake
and eat it too.
Ryan '93 VR4
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:15:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OEM Parts

Check out the Garage page at my website for some of the more popular
places to order new (OEM) or used parts. I have personally used Tall
Mitsu several times. They have great prices, knowledgeable staff, and
are reliable. Compare their prices to your local dealers; you'll see.

http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/1-repair.htm

The Links page has over 400 links, including many, many aftermarket
suppliers.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Stealth 316
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Geisel" <brian.geisel@compaq.com>
To: <stealth@starnet.net>; <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 1:57 PM
Subject: Team3S: OEM Parts

Where is the best place for me to find OEM parts?  I need to get a
throwout bearing for a '94 3000GT VR-4, anyone have any good
suggestions?  I've heard there's a dealership in TN, but I don't know
the number.  Anyone?

TIA,
geis


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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:31:12 PDT
From: "Ryan Meador" <captainrye@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?

I just gutted my pre-cats and just bought an Extreme Technologies downpipe.
So I'm at the point where I need to decide what I'm going to do with the
main cat and back. I could go aftermarket (Greddy/HKS) or go custom
(actually cheaper). Just wondering if saving the active exhaust was possible
or if the muffler would restrict what I've worked so hard to free up. Truth
is, I simply don't want to sound like a punk in a wussy 4-banger with a 6
inch tip hanging off the back. You've all seen them...or at least heard
them...
Ryan
'93 VR4


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From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:08:50 -0700 (PDT)

I think if you are still using the stock downpipe, pre-cats, main
cat, and muffler, there is not much to gain performance-wise by
attaching a few 3" pipes to the stock muffler. The stock cat-back
exhaust pipes are almost 3 inches in diameter, at least to the
muffler. I have some comparisons of the stock and ATR systems at the
link below.

http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/2-atr.htm

To have your cake and eat it too, you might consider gutting the
pre-cats, adding an aftermarket downpipe, and replacing  the main-cat
with a high-flow version. These are the main restrictions. The car
would still look stock (except from below) and I don't think the
noise would increase much at all.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Stealth 316
   --> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Meador" <captainrye@hotmail.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 1:49 PM
Subject: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?

Anyone- Is it feasable to extrude the stock intake opening in our
active exhaust mufflers and weld a 3" pipe to it? Then do the same to
the exhaust openings??? Is the exhaust big enough on the inside to
handle this? Is it free-flowing enough to be worth it? I know that
sounds illogical, but I really enjoy the quieter exhaust tone when
not playing hard but would also like the benefit of 3" when needed.
No flames please- just a reality check. I'm trying to have my cake
and eat it too.
Ryan '93 VR4
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:58:57 -0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 3" Active Exhaust?

> Just wondering if saving the active exhaust was possible
> or if the muffler would restrict what I've worked so hard
> to free up. Truth is, I simply don't want to sound like a
> punk in a wussy 4-banger with a 6 inch tip hanging off the
> back. You've all seen them...or at least heard them...

I'd dump the stock exhaust completely.  Get a high-flow cat and some form of
cat-back exhaust.  I have the Borla setup and I can tell you that it in no
way sounds "wussy" or like a Honda, which is what I assume you mean.  It
actually sounds nearly V8-like with the pre-cats gutted and the high-flow
cat on.  On deceleration I get a nice rumble, and a smooth low note while
cruising.  On hard acceleration it sounds just plain mean.  The stock
exhaust sounds like a vacuum cleaner and I'm glad my car doesn't have it on
there anymore...

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:14:28 -0400
From: Brian Geisel <brian.geisel@compaq.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OEM Parts

Dude,
    I just called Tall Mitsu and they were awesome.  I talked to Jeremy
and
he's 1 day shipping me the clutch throwout bearing.  Sweet!  Thanx man

geis

Jeff Lucius wrote:

> Check out the Garage page at my website for some of the more popular
> places to order new (OEM) or used parts. I have personally used Tall
> Mitsu several times. They have great prices, knowledgeable staff, and
> are reliable. Compare their prices to your local dealers; you'll see.
>
> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/1-repair.htm
>
> The Links page has over 400 links, including many, many aftermarket
> suppliers.
>
> Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
> Stealth 316
>   --> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Geisel" <brian.geisel@compaq.com>
> To: <stealth@starnet.net>; <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 1:57 PM
> Subject: Team3S: OEM Parts
>
> Where is the best place for me to find OEM parts?  I need to get a
> throwout bearing for a '94 3000GT VR-4, anyone have any good
> suggestions?  I've heard there's a dealership in TN, but I don't know
> the number.  Anyone?
>
> TIA,
> geis
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:14:26 -0400
From: Eric J Totten <spankis@juno.com>
Subject: Team3S: digital climate control

I was wondering if its possible to put the digital climate control system
in a '91 ES that is currently without, mostly if  its an easy procedure
or a quick switch..

Eric
'91 Red ES DOHC

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:27:34 EDT
From: Zeoswolf@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Valve/cam timing, is that the problem?

In a message dated 7/23/00 3:03:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kempfsc@mail.auburn.edu writes:

<< Just as background, I taken care of the few problems I've had with this
 car immediately as they occur. I do my own oil and filter changes every
 3000 miles, which has kept the engine running "as new" until recently as I
 approached the 60,000 mile mark. As I approached this mileage, I started
 to get some missing and a decrease in power, but I figured this was only
 normal since that is the recommended mileage for new plugs and, of course,
 a timing belt. Unfortunately, this is where my problems began. I took the
 car into the dealer for this major service and after paying a hefty bill,
 got my car back, again still running "as new" (So far so good).
 Unfortunately, the dealer didn't mention that it would be a good idea to
 install a new water pump and belt tensioner at the same time as the new
 timing belt (I really should have thought of this myself, just too many
 years away from this sort of work I guess), and after a couple of weeks,
 the water pump started leaking and the tensioner "squeaking". Fortunately
 (?), the car was still covered (just barely) by my original 7 year
 Chrysler service contract, so I returned it to the dealer for the
 necessary repairs. The new tensioner and water pump were installed;
 however, it took two weeks and it was fairly clear that the mechanics
 didn't enjoy having to work on the car. When they finally finished the
 job, I drove the car home and discovered it no longer ran smoothly, lacked
 power (felt like it was dragging a lead weight), and the exhaust note had
 a "hollow" or "flat"  sound and was louder than normal under acceleration
 (though this did not appear to be due to an exhaust leak). Upon further
 inspection, I found that many of the cam and timing cover bolts were only
 finger tight and that there was a dent in the oil pan that appeared to be
 due to the engine being jacked up from underneath. As you might guess, I
 was not a happy camper. After properly tightening all the loose bolts I
 could find (the ones I couldn't get to and check worry me) I returned the
 car to the dealer, but rather than make an issue out of everything, I
 suggested that when the timing belt was reinstalled or retensioned after
 the water pump installation that the mechanic probably didn't get the
 valve/cam timing "spot on". Trusting soul that I am, I also marked the cam
 and belt cover bolts so I would know whether or not they really took the
 covers off to check and see if the valve/cam timing was right. Four days
 later I got the car back again and was told that it was all just an
 ignition timing problem, that they had taken the covers off and checked
 the valve/cam timing and that was OK, and that the car now had plenty of
 power (I guess they figured that telling me this would make it so). The
 drive home revealed that all the problems were still present and the car
 probably would have hard time out accelerating a Neon. When I checked the
 engine after arriving home it was clear that neither the timing belt nor
 cam covers had been removed (the marked bolts were still in exactly the
 same position as when I took the car in).
  >>
 
well that day has come where i brought my car back to the dealership for this
same problem and alas.. they said everything checked out 100%.  i just dont
understand it, i seem to have a loss of power and my exhaust sounds just like
what steve kempf described.. i just put on my stillen hi flow intake right
after i got it home and that seemed to help out quite a bit... but damn, is
it supposed to be that LOUD!!  anyone with ideas on any of these problems,
cuz i guess cam timing wasnt the problem unless the dealership's little
computer analysis thingy lied to us.  PLEASE HELP!!!!!!

james
94R/T

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