team3s
Wednesday, July 19
2000 Volume 01
: Number
207
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Date:
Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:50:53 +0200
From: Roger Gerl <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: stillen hi-flow intake vs k&n filter charger
>As to
Stillen (or anybody) vs. K&N: Last year, Chris Winkley
posted
>the results of some test of the various filters-- K&N
FIPK was not only
>the best *at filtering*, it was the best by a
substantial margin.
>(Chris' HKS Super Flo intake didn't fare very
well). And the FIPK had
>the second or third highest marks for
airflow - almost as high as the
>Stillen, which lets through LOTS of dust
into your engine, compared to
>almost no dust with the FIPK.
The
Stillen intake is a K&N Filter (same as FIPK) with their own
adapter..... why sucks it in more dust when using the same filter
??
There was a test in a jap mag where the power increase and filtering
capbilities have been tested on a Supra TT. The result for the HKS was very
bad as it filtered much less compared to the K&N but had the same power
increase. Also Blitz SUS (only a metallic mesh) had not good filtering but
the power increase was better. The winner was the Apexi that filtered very
good and gave a real good power increase. The Apexi uses the saem filter
element (mesh and filter) as the K&N but puts the stuff in a case that
should increase the air velocitiy.
The Apexi is not available for our
cars but I made a custome adapter to the
ARC MAF in my
car.
Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:14:55
+0200
From: lehir@genesiscom.ch
(Genesiscon Lehir)
Subject: RE: Team3S: Boost Controller?
Hello
everyone.
I know I'll make a couple teeth grind, but it won't be the
first
time.....and I don't really care....:-)
I have two TT cars, my
300 ZX TT (stage X or whatever), and my dodge stealth
RT/TT
I have
FIRST HAND experience with 3 Boost Controller.
In the 300 ZX (yup, at the
same time)
Profec B
Apexi AVC-R
In the RT/TT
Blitz
DBSC
Here are MY findings....but your mileage may vary.
The 300 Zx
and the RT/TT have similar (oki, sort of) engine (turbo) design ,
so it's
probably possible to extrapolate.
In the 300 ZX
Profec B.
Install
& Forget.
Holds a really good boost
IMHO you NEED an aftermarket boost
gauge (but you can have a blitz dual
turbo timer with a digital gauge in
there.)
Apexi AVC-R
Almost destroyed my engine because of a failing
"air filter" guizmo.
The display is looking "cool"......but I don't
care.
After more than 100 hours trying to "tune" the unit.....Does NOT hold
a
solid boost....and I'm NOT alone to report
this problem.
The unit has
a LOT of potential...but the documentation is POOR (and I'm
kind when I say
that !!)
In the RT/TT
Blitz DBSC, installed by/with Roger (thank's
again.....)
I do NOT like it, as it would NOT hold a solid boost.
Some
days, the boost will be 0.7 bars.....sometimes 0.8....sometimes
0.94....and
sometimes I hit the boost warning at 1.05.
Boost on the same road, same
gear.
Playing with the setup did not help about that.
I couldn't find
ANY explanation to this behaviour....and yup...it's TOTALLY
possible to
repeat it...
And I'm STILL waiting to get an answer from someone about this
behaviour...
I have no first hand experience about the Greedy Rebic IV,
but I do NOT
think it's a boost controller....
And AFAIK....keep away from
any "fuzzy logic" units
Finally, I heard that some got good result using
SARD boost controller, as
well as a REALLY GOOD manual boost
controller.
Personally, If I'd have to do it again....I'd rather buy good
boost gauge
(digital or analog), and a Profec B.
That's probably the best
cost/performance ratio...
But just my opinion.
Zee
you
Henri
PS: Yeah, I know that my "Zee you" irritates "some
people" here....but hell,
I have a Z....would you prefer me to use
a
"Dodge you" ??? :->
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:33:53
-0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re:
What is wrong with the VR4 gearbox?
Jason Barnhart wrote:
> I
think it doesn't have a thing to due
> with overdriving the car. I
think DSMs do better with Mitsubishi
> trannies. There may be a few
with serious tranny problems, but
> I'll bet there are more VR4s with
synchro problems as a % of
> the number of cars; as for racing, they're
running
> 9s and 10s. They can buy parts, get
> whole trannies
under $2000. Our car 320 HP stock was
> intended to be driven hard,
that's not where prob is. I call it design
> flaw;
> many
owners of unmodified cars agree it's junk. Even if
> Getrag built it
to lower standard because wasn't intended to be
> raced, should we expect
lower quality product? we should be
> able to get one damn part to
fix it when it goes bad. Getrag
> has one heck of a reputation,
Porsche, BMW, Supras, and many others;
> I have yet to hear about regular
synchro problems with them.
Untrue. Metric Mechanic has pretty much
BUILT their company around
repairing Getrag BMW transmissions, whose major
problem is--
SYNCHRO FAILURE, premature. Go to their website! There
are
some long explanations with pictures etc of what/why they go
bad
early, and what machining work/internal changes to synchro
mechanisms
Metric Mechanic does to make the synchros work harder, way
longer.
I am hoping they can do this for us; Jim Rowe said the 3-4, 5-(6)
synchros
he can definitely improve; the 1-2 is the one he must mainly science
out
if/how much they can improve for us.
> Aside from the crappy
synchros I think the trannies are great, at least
> on the 94 and newer
vehicles.
I agree. They do not have a history of dozens ?hundreds
of them
breaking, but there are of course SOME that do. Overall
ours
last longer/are stronger than the DSM's but not perfect. I
have
never broken a transaxle; HAVE cracked 3 of the aluminum
(5-speed)
transfer cases though. The 94+ 6 speeds came with
cast iron transfer
cases, to prevent exactly this cracking problem.
Are they perfect? No,
can still break gears but I've heard of
it only a few times, like ?3 on the
net. Anything will break
SOMEtimes, see Formula 1, NASCAR, your corner
garage bay.
> I've got 116k miles, original transfer
> case and
I launch from 5-7k RPMs and the car is fine, but I miss one
> shift on the
street and the tranny is shot, nice. Was the audience
> intended to
be perfect drivers who baby 320 HP AWD cars?
> I
think if manufacturer gave a
> rats ass about its customers things
might be different, but
> this is Mitsubishi, that all
> but refused
to recall AWD DSMs for transfer case leaks, after
> cases of locked
transfer cases, at least one death.
I agree; Getrag and Mitsubishi
together have had the wrong (but
not unusual) agreement to NOT sell trans
parts to the public.
Our cars are great! We discover weak points;
we push for
aftermarket solutions and cheaper ways to repair them
over
time; this is good. Yes, Mitsu and Getrag are wrong for
not
helping more, but we are not helpless and we shall overcome
:)
Jack Tertadian
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:19:12
-0700
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: stillen hi-flow intake vs k&n filter charger
The stillen
intake comes with a carb number...(I have one)
Chris
92
TT
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:21:01
-0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S:
SHOOTOUT -- WE ARE WEAK!
Why might we not have CLASS at DSM shootout this
weekend?
I thought we did too. I will have to "make some
calls"...
problem is, we have such a WEAK showing with numbers
of cars,
they have been charitable offering us a whole class
when 3-6 cars come, in an
event with like 300 cars+.
I am surprised we can get 10-25 cars for
"gatherings"
going for pizza etc which is great; but for a 3 day
SUPER
event with 3S/DSM drags day one, Autocross or Car
Show (depends on
your preference) day 2, and an
ALL-IMPORT IDRC drag race day 3, we get
only
a few. I REFUSE to believe we have only lazy doctors who
buy
the car to be POSERS not DRIVERS, like I usually
think of anybody in a
Vette or Porsche I ever see on
the street. (I can say that cause I'm a
?lazy doctor ;)
WHERE ARE the various SHOPS? I NAME
my friends
at Altered Atmospheres, GT Pro, Dynamic Racing;
God willing, Matt Meyer will
be there in the future, passing
me by along with everybody else!
I name my
personal friends Bob Fontana (marriage is NO
excuse :), Brad Bedell,
Barry King (OK he was there
before), "Amahoser" on 3SI board, Steve Gula,
John
Christian (was there before, loves to race, beat me once
at the
shootout '97!), ALL you guys on the 3SI boards,
so many names, so much money
on mods --
13G this, 15G that, 17G here, 368SX are SO huge and
great,
check my FMIC, look at my so-much-better
ARC2,
PHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAH!
What is UP?
OK, Roger Gerl has the
minor inconvienience of a whole
O C E A N preventing him from
coming! I have 2
friends HERE IN Milwaukee who BROKE their
cars
so can't go but you bet they WERE going, they ARE
coming CAR-LESS, we
have 2 rooms
with 7 people (as I was the last 2 years I went
anyway
and had GREAT times!)...potato guns in parking
lots, tech sessions, great
Mitsubishi people, getting the
scoop on new technology and techniques,
hobnobbing
with the bigwigs, etc! R A C I N G !!
ALL these
claims of "fast times at Ridgemont High", "come
here to get your fast parts
and be cool", but the ONE
(1) NATIONAL event for MITSUBISHIS, they
NO-SHOW
EVERY YEAR. I am NOBODY, with
no business/clientele to impress
(Atomic Motorsports is
more a State of Mind than a business :) I travel
a day to
get there. What, it might take TWO days for some
to get
there? Ooooooh, Bluto, that's HAAAARD!
Why might we not have a
class? BECAUSE WE ARE
WEAK AND LAME, might THAT be the reason?
Yes
this IS a challenge, the glove-slap-to-your-face
HAS been applied, how do you
answer? With
anger and a F*#! YOU TERTADIAN I will be there,
or with
a whiny excuse and "gee, what a long message,
Delete?" Maybe we need
Adam Weltz after all! I fear
our cars sinking into mediocrity and the
ash heap of history.
NOT ON MY watch mister! Did we give up when
the
Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!? NO!!!!!!
Jack Tertadian
10.81
@128.44 3 YEARS AGO, WHY hasn't anybody
kicked my ass yet, Private
Pyle? Don't give me any of this
"gentleman racer doesn't drag"
crap. I have stories of 1000hp
3000GT's up to my kiester (not you Arty,
maybe you will
actually do it!) WAKE UP! GO TO THE
DSM
SHOOTOUT, take a drive Sat and Sunday at LEAST!
Check the "mailed to"
of this message. We need this, IMHO!
Those with cojones (or equivalent)
will agree with me,
ESPECIALLY the shops! Talk about building business,
this
is your chance to SHINE and build the excitement to make us
WANT to
send you business/money. Buschur BUILT his
business in part on
this. Getting mad at me is not the idea
here, I think that is obvious;
this is a semi-lighthearted
wakeup call--The Supras are coming, The
Supras are coming!
Jason Barnhart wrote:
> That's what I
thought too, and why wouldn't they? Haven't they had 3S classes
>
before and how hard would it be? Why change it now, particularly because
we're
> bound to have more cars show every year.
> At any rate, I
didn't ask about the Auto-X specifically, but it looks like we
> can only
participate in Bracket racing at the drag race. Pretty
disappointing
> to me, and I'm pretty sure AAM won't be showing for this
exact reason.
>
> "Jannusch, Matt" wrote:
> Eh? I
thought Jack talked to Buschur about it and he said he'd run the 3/S
>
class again. ???
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Date: 19 Jul 00 08:32:28
MDT
From: Mark Creekmore <mcreekmore@usa.net>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: [OFF TOPIC] Cleveland Gathering
The page that you are looking for
is:
http://209.90.125.197:80/~mliberty/gatheringpage.htm
See
you there,
Mark
aa2345 wrote:
Quick off topic
question:
Can anyone reffer me to the website about the Cleveland,
OH gathering from
Aug 4-7 2000? I did an extensive search
through the archives and came up
with nothing?
Also, the
dealer that did my brother's 60K service figured out why my
brother's
engine died 100 miles after the tuneup. It as a leak in the air
system. No charge from the dealer. HURRAY!!!
Thanks in
advance.
Mike
94 Pearl Yellow TT
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:49:25
-0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: stillen hi-flow intake vs k&n filter charger
- ----- Original
Message ----- From: "Roger Gerl" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
> >As
to Stillen (or anybody) vs. K&N: Last year, Chris Winkley
posted
> >the results of some test of the various filters--
K&N FIPK was not
only
> >the best *at filtering*, it was the
best by a substantial margin.
> >(Chris' HKS Super Flo intake didn't
fare very well). And the FIPK
had
> >the second or third
highest marks for airflow - almost as high as the
> >Stillen, which
lets through LOTS of dust into your engine, compared
to
> >almost no
dust with the FIPK.
>
> The Stillen intake is a K&N Filter (same
as FIPK) with their own
> adapter..... why sucks it in more dust when
using the same filter ??
>
Roger is right - I stand
corrected. The Stillen Hi-Flo is indeed the
same filter material as the
K&N. (I should have known better than to
quote from memory when
working late.) The Stillen utilizes a slightly
domed cap which is
supposed to speed up airflow into the filter. It is
also CARB legal in
all 50 states.
> There was a test in a jap mag where the power
increase and filtering
> capbilities have been tested on a Supra TT. The
result for the HKS was
very
> bad as it filtered much less compared to
the K&N but had the same
power
> increase. Also Blitz SUS (only a
metallic mesh) had not good filtering
but
> the power increase was
better. The winner was the Apexi that filtered
very
> good and gave a
real good power increase. The Apexi uses the saem
filter
> element
(mesh and filter) as the K&N but puts the stuff in a case that
>
should increase the air velocitiy.
> The Apexi is not available for our
cars but I made a custome adapter
to the
> ARC MAF in my car.
I
didn't see the Japanese magazine, but I saw the same results for the
HKS and
Blitz - equal or better airflow than K&N, but inferior
filtration.
And unless you have the same skills as Roger and can
fabricate your own
housing, the Apexi is a non-issue, since we can't buy
one stock for a
3/S... Which leaves K&N and indeed, Stillen, as the
best
choices.
Good call, Roger!
-
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PS: Just saw the post by
JackT... DAMN he's good! And he's RIGHT!!!
Makes me want to take
a week off just to go and show support, since I
don't drive a "contender"
3S. But the DSM Shootout is a long, L-O-N-G
way from the West
Coast...
Hope Jack gets some of you other guys off your butt and into
the fray!
Best,
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:28:33
-0700
From: Leonard Dy <LDy@acssys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Greddy
Type S - how to clear 6 speed linkage.
Any ideas on how to modify the
installation so that the linkage is not
obstructed? I've noticed that
the Extreme Motorsports and Buscher adapters
are just angled mounting plates
versus the flat on that came with the
Greddy. I think by just using
longer tubing I could move it far enough away
from the linkage but is there a
better way out there? Any one have a remedy
or other options I can
pursue? Thanks for the time....
Len
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:53:46
-0500
From: "Jannusch, Matt" <mjannusch@marketwatch.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: SHOOTOUT -- WE ARE WEAK!
> Why might we not have a
class? BECAUSE WE ARE
> WEAK AND LAME, might THAT be the
reason?
> Yes this IS a challenge, the glove-slap-to-your-face
> HAS
been applied, how do you answer? With
> anger and a F*#! YOU
TERTADIAN I will be there,
> or with a whiny excuse and "gee, what a long
message,
> Delete?" Maybe we need Adam Weltz after all! I
fear
> our cars sinking into mediocrity and the ash heap of
history.
> NOT ON MY watch mister!
Yup, let this be the
secondary glove-slap then. This will be the fourth
year in a row that
I've made the 12-hour trek to the Shootout, the second
year with my
VR4. Last year there were only three of us with cars, the best
of us
running only a 12.6! I hear a lot of "this turbo rocks all over
the
15G's, you gotta have 720cc injectors, forged pistons are the only way
to
go, etc." Get your car to Ohio and prove it! Don't let a heavy
Spyder VR4
be one of only three or so representatives of the 3/S
contingent. Honestly,
if I get second place again this year I will be
upset that nobody wants to
take the challenge.
A quote from last
week: "These cars aren't made for racing." Bullcrap.
They go
fast, so bring it out and hand me my ass.
> Did we give up when
the
> Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!? NO!!!!!!
Let him go, he's on a
roll... ;-)
- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
??.???@??? ->
Gonna find out where the big-boys go!
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:37:15
-0700
From: "Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: CAPS and the .r12 file is being uploaded again
Well, I dunno how
it happened, but the .r12 file is indeed corrupt. I
saved the originals on my
PC, so I tested them again, and the one
online, and I too got the CRC error
on the 12th file.
As I am typing, the old one has been deleted and am
uploading a fresh
copy of the 12th file. So if you downloaded all of them
already,
DELETE the file called
caps.r12
and replace it with
the one on the server. You will be able to tell by
looking at the date stamp
on the 12th file to see if it has been
updated (it should be by the time you
get this... however I'm on a
lowly ISDN connection :)
Thanks for the
warnings... I must have like 50 of them by now! :)
Vineet Singh
http://at.dsm.org - "Never Lift To Shift!"
http://chi.dsm.org - "ChicagoDSM - Go Fast With
Class!"
http://manualcd.dsm.org - DSM
& 3/S Service manuals on CDROM
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:08:26
-0500
From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: SHOOTOUT -- WE ARE WEAK!
Did we give up when the
Germans
bombed Pearl Harbor?!? NO!!!!!!
Ahhhhhhh.....Guys,......wasn't it
the Japanese that bombed Pearl
Harbor? :-)
It.s been a
while for me know, but,
ahhhhhhh..........
:-)
-John
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 20:08:05
+0300
From: 363 EARS/TANK121 <363EARS.TANK121@psab.af.mil>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: Greddy Type S - how to clear 6 speed linkage.
I used the
Greddy brand adapter and ended up taking a dremel tool to the
counter weight
on the linkage. It BARELY clears now. I hear that the adapter
that GT Pro
sells works great for the six speed cars though...
Trevor
96 R/T
TT
92 GMC Typhoon
- -----Original Message-----
From: Leonard Dy [mailto:LDy@acssys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July
19, 2000 6:29 PM
To: 3SI (E-mail)
Subject: Team3S: Greddy Type S - how to
clear 6 speed linkage.
Any ideas on how to modify the
installation so that the linkage is not
obstructed? I've noticed that
the Extreme Motorsports and Buscher adapters
are just angled mounting plates
versus the flat on that came with the
Greddy. I think by just using
longer tubing I could move it far enough away
from the linkage but is there a
better way out there? Any one have a remedy
or other options I can
pursue? Thanks for the time....
Len
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:34:03
EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Team3S:
Tranny syncro question
To all you mechanical mavens - I'm
confused.
After looking into the abyss of our tranny (we opened it &
changed the output
shaft)
I have seen the notorious Brass Syncros. My
machinist tells me that he could
make new syncros out of Steel if I wanted,
no problem? Why is this so
complicated or mysterious? I don't need syncros
right now, thank goodness and
I'm not looking to start another project at
this late date but why has no one
done this? Even the Helical gears could be
made straight to lock faster.
Noisier but faster. I just don't understand
the problem. Is it just the cost
& availability or am I missing
something?
What's the problem with making stronger parts or repairing with
better parts?
Arty 91 VR-4
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:39:25
CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Greddy Type S - how to clear 6 speed linkage.
There is
another way to get more clearance with your BOV....
The intake tube that
runs to both turbos is three pieces. The middle piece
goes to the MAS
and also has the hole for the BOV to go into. Loosen the
clamps that
go to the tubes for the front and rear turbo. Now you can
rotate the
middle tube. If you rotate it a little, this will move the
location of
the BOV opening away from the linkage. It worked great to clear
the 1G
DSM BOV.
Now if I just had a 3/S to put the 1G DSM BOV on.....
:(
later,
Curt
"Stealthless in Minneapolis"
http://www.mn3s.org
>From:
Leonard Dy <LDy@acssys.com>
>To:
"3SI (E-mail)" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject:
Team3S: Greddy Type S - how to clear 6 speed linkage.
>Date: Wed, 19 Jul
2000 08:28:33 -0700
>
>
>Any ideas on how to modify the
installation so that the linkage is not
>obstructed? I've noticed
that the Extreme Motorsports and Buscher adapters
>are just angled
mounting plates versus the flat on that came with the
>Greddy. I
think by just using longer tubing I could move it far enough
>away
>from the linkage but is there a better way out there?
Any one have a
>remedy
>or other options I can pursue? Thanks
for the time....
>
>Len
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:44:43
-0400
From: Lloyd Wihl <lloyd@cae.ca>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Clutch
problem continues...
Just a clarification... My clutch is working fine
now. I am convinced the
problem was the wear on the pressure plate's fingers.
Why this wear was so
apparent after only 20K miles, I can only guess. Perhaps
the lubricant in
the throwout bearing is too viscous, making it spin up to
speed too slowly,
causing relative motion between the bearing and the
fingers. Perhaps the
bearing wasn't lubricated properly by the dealer upon
installation. Or
perhaps the clutch pedal height was not within specs,
causing a constant
slight pressure on the pressure plate (unlikely).
Replacing the pressure
plate and bearing has indeed fixed the
problem.
The problem I was concerned with on June 2 (a few weeks after
the
installation) was a pulsation in the clutch pedal as my foot
travelled
upwards. This happened just for one day, and has not returned. I
suspect it
was a problem related to the grease at the throwout bearing, which
has
corrected itself. The other problem was a "thud" when engaging first.
After
careful observation, I conclude there is no motion in the car when
this
happens, just a barely noticeable sound. It may be that though the
clutch
has fully disengaged, the input shaft has not yet come fully to rest.
I am
not worried about it.
Interestingly, there seem to be different
opinions about whether to grease
the splines on the clutch disk upon
installation. The mechanic who did my
most recent clutch job said this area
was completely dry from the previous
installation, and he brushed in a high
quality (copper-based?) grease. When
I had the minor problems in June, I
asked a Dodge service manager who I
trust for his opinion. He said you must
never grease the splines, because as
the clutch wears, dust gets caught in
the grease, eventually causing
everything to stick. Once this happens the
clutch will not disengage fully.
He said he had this problem many times with
Mitsubishi models. After, I
checked my service manual, and it said to grease
the splines. I don't know
who's right. My last clutch, which had no grease,
lasted only 20K miles.
I'll see how long this one lasts.
Lloyd
Wihl
> I have replaced both clutch cylinders (master & slave) and
still have
similar
> experiences. Sometimes it just feels like
the clutch does not completely
> disengage. Lloyd Wihl sent a post
June 2 saying he too had the problem
and
> replaced the clutch.
He said the pressure plate 'fingers' showed
noticible
> wear. His
problem returned a few weeks after the clutch replacement
however.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:50:20
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From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: RE:
Team3S: SHOOTOUT -- WE ARE WEAK!
Ahhh, yes, my
bad....Belushi.....How could I forget? :-)
John
Basol
Workgroup Platform Services
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:11:35
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From: Daniel Jett <djett@corp.ultratech.com>
Subject:
Re: RE: Team3S: Greddy Type S - how to clear 6 speed linkage.
Actually,
the adapter isn't the problem. The valve body of the Type S is just too large,
creating a clearance problem, especially with the 6 speed.
I have an 1/8
inch clearance between the linkage, and 1/8 inch clearance between the air
filter and hood. To get a good fit, zip-tie the valve to the hard line that runs
to the left of the BOV, when facing the engine from the front of the car. Angle
the T tubing (where the MAF connects) upward a few degrees, but be careful since
the air filter may rub the hood. It is imperative that the BOV is angled
correctly as well.
Dan J
>>> 363 EARS/TANK121 <363EARS.TANK121@psab.af.mil>
07/19 10:08 AM >>>
I used the Greddy brand adapter and ended up
taking a dremel tool to the
counter weight on the linkage. It BARELY clears
now. I hear that the adapter
that GT Pro sells works great for the six speed
cars though...
Trevor
96 R/T TT
92 GMC Typhoon
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-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard Dy [mailto:LDy@acssys.com]
Sent: Wednesday,
July 19, 2000 6:29 PM
To: 3SI (E-mail)
Subject: Team3S: Greddy Type S -
how to clear 6 speed linkage.
Any ideas on how to modify the
installation so that the linkage is not
obstructed? I've noticed that
the Extreme Motorsports and Buscher adapters
are just angled mounting plates
versus the flat on that came with the
Greddy. I think by just using
longer tubing I could move it far enough away
from the linkage but is there a
better way out there? Any one have a remedy
or other options I can
pursue? Thanks for the time....
Len
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:33:44
-0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: WE
HAVE a CLASS at DSM SHOOTOUT!
We Have A Class at the DSM Shootout, as of
5 minutes ago!
I called Dave Buschur and talked with him.
Short
story: we NOW have a class for 3000GT/Stealths.
It is as it was
before: heads up racing, on a "full tree"
(all the yellow lights count
down as usual).
He didn't plan on a class for us this year for 2 main
reasons:
1) so few showed up last year
2) making trophies and
such is work, and some who won did
not even show up afterward for their
trophy and had trouble
getting it to them etc. a sign of
disrespect and hassle that
we can't afford, being so few. I am
sure it wasn't on purpose
but we are in glass house and must make our
presence
EASY and ENTERTAINING, not a hassle.
I told him this year, we
don't WANT trophies--that is
OK! That we understand the past
problems and that we need
very little care or feeding; that to do this for
so
few of us it is a hassle for them, but that we have to run anyway
so
time down track is no different, just the announcements
and such.
Wasn't easy but he agreed, in the interest of
maintaining and BUILDING a
group of 3000/Stealths
who see that as the yearly mecca of Mitsubishis
(which
it is, really).
For those attending:
When you fill out tech
card, put as CLASS: "3S"
On your car: windshield should be
"3S" and your tech
card registration number. We will be announced
and
have our own staging lane or area.
BE THERE!!!!
Jack
Tertadian
ps Brian at GT Pro wrote me back, and said they have
a
couple cars not ready, and besides California is far
away, and he will
challenge me/us on "THEIR terms
not mine" maybe in Texas. Note, it
isn't my event; people come there
from every state even those who don't own a
business
centering on the cars; and Ohio is Midwest though I
guess not the
exact geographic center of the country.
I know I can make it anyplace in the
country in
2 days drive. I mean NO disrespect to any shop
or people,
but we need to make this effort. Ever
wonder why HONDAS etc get so much
press? There
are alot of them and THEY SHOW
UP!
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:05:38
+0200
From: Mike Chapleski <mike.chapleski@attglobal.net>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: Re: Clutch problem continues...
I replaced
my clutch master cylinder this weekend also. I thought
it was
bad
because I had to push the clutch in about half way before I could
feel
the
cylinder start to work. I thought I had air in the
system. I was
running some
wires through the firewall, look up, and
noticed that there was fluid
dripping
off the booster. Well that
proved to me that the master cylinder was
bad. So I
ordered a new
one ($77 from Norco) and polished it (i.e. made it
non-returnable)
and
took the old one off. I found that it was not leaking at all.
However
I
did go though the procedure in the service manual on how to adjust
the
booster
piston clearance relative to the master cylinder contact
point. The
clearance is
supposed to be about .018" However mine was
.150" A huge difference.
I have
no idea how it go that far off,
since the adjusting bolt was very tight.
Anyhow, it does feel better
now. I will point out that it is very hard
to
measure the distance
between the firewall and the piston tip. Luckily I
had
three
different micrometers to choose from. I took me an hour to
get
everything
correct. Al least I think it is correct, I only drove
the car around
the
parking lot when I was done. Hopefully it will
stop raining here in
Germany
sometime I will be able to really test things
out.
Mike Chapleski
0018
'95 Stealth RT TT
Frankfurt,
Germany
Chris Maxwell wrote:
> Well I replaced the clutch
master cylinder ($120 and 4 hours of my time...)
> and that did nothing to
solve the problem. So my guess is that it is the
> release cylinder
that is causing this problem. I also can't shake the
> feeling that
maybe the booster could be causing the problem. Is this
>
characteristic of a problem with one of the cylinders or the
booster?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 92 R/T TT
>
>
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
> To: <stealth@stls.verio.net>; <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 12:20 PM
> Subject: Clutch problem
continues...
>
> > Well, I just bled the clutch and took it for a
drive. It felt fine for
> > about 3 blocks and then the problem
that I was talking about started
> again.
> > The problem is that
the engage point for the clutch moves. Sometimes it
> is
>
> near the floor and other times it is much higher up. It's almost
like
> there
> > is air in the system and perhaps there is.
It worked fine RIGHT after I
> > bled it but feels the same after about
a mile. Is it possible that air is
> > being introduced into the
line somewhere? Perhaps a bad clutch master
> > cylinder or
booster? This is very troublesome...
> >
> > Thanks
again,
> > Chris
> > 92 R/T TT
> >
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:57:08
-0700
From: "Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject:
Team3S: What a FIASCO (the CAPS program)
I guess I have a messed up
install of CUTEFTP (the program I use to
upload the files). It seems to
change the last byte or something of
the last file it uploads, rendering that
file useless.
I ran some CRC checks using a program called pdSFV, and
compared them
to a friends on a T3 connection, and found the last file
to
corrupt/different.
So FINALLY, the CAPS program is 100% guarunteed
to work, and if you
downloaded a copy already, but had CRC errors, please
re-download the
two files (instead of the whole thing
again)
CAPS.R12
CAPS.R19
You can view the readme.txt, my
CORRECT crc.txt file, and also make
your own CRC check files (the pdSFV
program is also there now).
I'm sorry if I wasted some of your time, but
at least I was able to
fix just the corrupt files, and no one has to wait to
download the
entire thing again.
Some questions were asked about the
CAPS program...
)Prices are NOT part of the program, though there is a
spot for "unit
price"
)Part #'s are included for ALL USA (MMSA) Mitsubishi
Cars, and may not
be the same overseas.
)You need about 400mb of free
harddisk space to run it.
)I don't have access to updates, but this one is
pretty recent, from
what others have told me.
Thanks, I'm signing off,
see you all at the shootout! (ok, well some
of you!)
Vineet
Singh
http://at.dsm.org - "Never Lift To
Shift!"
http://chi.dsm.org - "ChicagoDSM -
Go Fast With Class!"
http://manualcd.dsm.org - DSM & 3/S
Service manuals on CDROM
http://www.ecanfix.com/~gift/caps/
<< CAPS!
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