team3s              Sunday, July 9 2000              Volume 01 : Number 192




----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:00:53 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Ceramic brakes was :Turbo Size

I was poking around on Swain's web site.  http://www.swaintech.com/

Anyone considered having the rotors thermally coated?


Brad
Check out my home page:  http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Roger Gerl (RTEC)
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 3:56 PM
To: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Ceramic brakes was :Turbo Size

> Is it safe to assume that this is a FULL rotor/caliper replacement,
and..will
- -not- crack or fade?

No fade but crack .. well it's ceramic and IMHO somewhat more prone to
crack. But this is probably the cause that they put in the 4 pads and the
angled caliper so there is probably much less cracking danger.

BTW, I just heard that these brakes are also available for the racing
version of the Ferrari 360 Modena !

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***


***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:26:57 -0100
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Dynamic Racing's 11.2 run...

    You're not assuming that I made an assumption are you?  As I stated, that info was
per 3000gt.com.  According to Dynamic racing, they made their pass on 4/8/2000, the date
on 3000gt.com is 4/9/2000.  Did they run slower the following day?  Besides, Dynamic
racing states "New Time Slip! Roswell, NM 04/08/2000 11.22@125mph, 1.62 60ft time!"...
Where's this time slip showing an 11.22@125?  Also, the 60' shown on 3000gt.com is the
same as stated on Dynamic's page.  Sure an assumption was made, and I'm ASSUMING the sun
will come up tomorrow.  It was based on facts that seem pretty accurate to me.
    Every track I've run at gave actual times as far as I know.  I'd think there'd be a
statement advising of altitude correction and they'd have actual time, I dunno.  Altitude
correction numbers can be found at NHRA's homepage.

Brian Geisel wrote:

> That's not entirely true.  Jason, you have made the assumption that it [his
> 11.2 ET / 1.62 60' time] was actually 11.74 @ 120.126, yes?  We all know
> what happens when we ass-u-me, right ;)
>
> Seriously though, that number has been on 3000gt long before matt ran the 11.2
> we're all talking about.  11.74 might be the non-adjusted time, but It wasn't the
> non-adjusted time of the 11.2 time he ran.  It was one of his best runs before
> his current setup.
>
> So no, the track isn't making a .54 second adjustment due to altitude.  As for the
> adjustment, there's something to be said for that.  I'm sure the NDRA (sp?)
> tries to keep consistent numbers across the US, and that may be the only way to
> get the track in Denver to post similar number to the track near death valley.  I
> don't know for sure, but I would imagine they're doing it w/i the national
> association's specifications.  I do not, however, know what they are... Anyone?
>
> geis


***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:24:22 EDT
From: DOWNDRIVEN1@cs.com
Subject: Team3S: 1/4 mile times

Trevor,
    I was looking at your times. You can hit 12.65@107.9 with your stock
turbos? I ran yesterday and the best time I could get was 13.75@102 that is
with a k&n and ApexI set at 1.05. I kept getting beat by a stock 300zx that
was running 13.2@108. I cant understand why I was so much slower then the
stock 300zx.

Also can anyone help me was it 1 quart transmission fluid that you substitute
with your oil to stop the annoying ticking?

***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:39:24 -0400
From: Brian Geisel <brian.geisel@compaq.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Dynamic Racing's 11.2 run...

Toche (Too-she)!
    You indeed caught me in an assumption.  There was a very similar time for him there
a while ago and I hadn't noticed that they had updated it lately.  Caught in my own
accusation? ... indeed :(    . . .  ;).
    In that case, I still would guess altitude correction would do something, but .5?  I'm
not sure how much I buy that... especially on a turbo.  True he was only running 13Gs,
but still .5 seconds...  They also adjusted the 60'.  His pages is 1.62 while 3000gt is
1.68.

Jason, my appologies and hats off!  ... with a great big grin <GBG>

geis
'94 VR-4 - Bone-Stock-Boost (tm) 13.61 ... non-altitude adjusted

Jason Barnhart wrote:

>     You're not assuming that I made an assumption are you?  As I stated, that info was
> per 3000gt.com.  According to Dynamic racing, they made their pass on 4/8/2000, the date
> on 3000gt.com is 4/9/2000.  Did they run slower the following day?  Besides, Dynamic
> racing states "New Time Slip! Roswell, NM 04/08/2000 11.22@125mph, 1.62 60ft time!"...
> Where's this time slip showing an 11.22@125?  Also, the 60' shown on 3000gt.com is the
> same as stated on Dynamic's page.  Sure an assumption was made, and I'm ASSUMING the sun
> will come up tomorrow.  It was based on facts that seem pretty accurate to me.
>     Every track I've run at gave actual times as far as I know.  I'd think there'd be a
> statement advising of altitude correction and they'd have actual time, I dunno.  Altitude
> correction numbers can be found at NHRA's homepage.
>
> Brian Geisel wrote:
>
> > That's not entirely true.  Jason, you have made the assumption that it [his
> > 11.2 ET / 1.62 60' time] was actually 11.74 @ 120.126, yes?  We all know
> > what happens when we ass-u-me, right ;)
> >
> > Seriously though, that number has been on 3000gt long before matt ran the 11.2
> > we're all talking about.  11.74 might be the non-adjusted time, but It wasn't the
> > non-adjusted time of the 11.2 time he ran.  It was one of his best runs before
> > his current setup.
> >
> > So no, the track isn't making a .54 second adjustment due to altitude.  As for the
> > adjustment, there's something to be said for that.  I'm sure the NDRA (sp?)
> > tries to keep consistent numbers across the US, and that may be the only way to
> > get the track in Denver to post similar number to the track near death valley.  I
> > don't know for sure, but I would imagine they're doing it w/i the national
> > association's specifications.  I do not, however, know what they are... Anyone?
> >
> > geis
>
> ***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***


***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:42:41 -0400
From: Brian Geisel <brian.geisel@compaq.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1/4 mile times

DOWNDRIVEN1@cs.com wrote:

> Trevor,
>     I was looking at your times. You can hit 12.65@107.9 with your stock
> turbos? I ran yesterday and the best time I could get was 13.75@102 that is
> with a k&n and ApexI set at 1.05. I kept getting beat by a stock 300zx that
> was running 13.2@108. I cant understand why I was so much slower then the
> stock 300zx.
>
> Also can anyone help me was it 1 quart transmission fluid that you substitute
> with your oil to stop the annoying ticking?
>
> ***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

Stock 300z @108?  Anyone else believing "stock" there?  That sounds extremely
fast for a stock 300z, but I dunno, maybe...

13.75 @ 102 doesn't sound too far off.  I would think you would be pulling more
power than that though with +1 bar boost.  What are your 60' times like?

geis
'94 VR-4


***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 00:10:55 -0100
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Dynamic Racing's 11.2 run...

    It's actually 1.628 on 3000gt.com, but anyway :P  I did in fact make an assumption,
something just doesn't sit right and we've yet to hear from them.  I was extremely disappointed
when I made the realization that they didn't actually run that fast.  I'm dying to see some
good competition here and get us some long overdue respect.  It is hard to notice 3000gt.com's
updates, they're small and they happen about once every 1/4 year.  I've yet to have a timeslip
posted there after several emails going on for over a year.  I was tempted to edit the html for
him when I was lucky enough to get a response where he stated that they were really busy...
    No problems at all.  Hell, I'd be happier overall if I was wrong :(

Jason

Brian Geisel wrote:

> Toche (Too-she)!
>     You indeed caught me in an assumption.  There was a very similar time for him there
> a while ago and I hadn't noticed that they had updated it lately.  Caught in my own
> accusation? ... indeed :(    . . .  ;).
>     In that case, I still would guess altitude correction would do something, but .5?  I'm
> not sure how much I buy that... especially on a turbo.  True he was only running 13Gs,
> but still .5 seconds...  They also adjusted the 60'.  His pages is 1.62 while 3000gt is
> 1.68.
>
> Jason, my appologies and hats off!  ... with a great big grin <GBG>
>
> geis
> '94 VR-4 - Bone-Stock-Boost (tm) 13.61 ... non-altitude adjusted


***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 00:33:40 -0100
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1/4 mile times

    That does seem somewhat slow, what year is the vehicle?  Was this your
first/only run so far, done much racing on the street?  A downpipe would probably
help a bit, perhaps some other exhaust work, but that should make your car a
potential 12s vehicle.  Experience will help a lot, and if it's a 94+ don't be as
scared to drive it like you stole it.
    With slip clutch launches I managed a 13.64 my first day at the track, that
was with just a Weapon-R filter and enough miles on my plugs and wires that it
probably negated most of the advantage the filter gave me.  On the second day at
the track I managed a 13.36@102.54 and a 13.39@???  and these were still with the
filter as my only mod.  I'll all but guarantee you that a 300zx won't run
13.2@108 stock.  I've yet to be impressed with even a modified one.  I'll have to
capture my race video that included one 300zx tt struggling for high 13s, I think
he finally managed to break into the 13s once.  If it was modified at all, that
just makes it worse.  I'm not sure if it was a manual tranny though, I'll have to
watch the tape again.  I was too busy laughing at how a car with similar power
and weight could be so much slower than a Supra or even our heavier cars.  The
other one on the tape had some money in it and couldn't run 12s.  He was a great,
or lucky, driver and cut a .501 reaction time and beat my 12.8* run with a 13.1*
as he beat me to the end of the track.    I'd be willing to bet that a stock
300zx couldn't run 13.2@108 even with race gas and slicks.  That mph would
require about 350 hp.

Jason
12.82@109.4 (wheel-hopping my way to an incredible 1.92 60')
14.07@94 (worst run ever)


***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:24:08 +0200
From: "Roger Gerl (RTEC)" <roger.gerl@bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Turbo Size

John Basol wrote :

> Talking with Accelerated Accessories I was told that the GT Pro
> turbos had problems with oil seals, and did have quite a noticeable lag.

John, are you sure it was "Accelerated Accessories" and not "Altered
Atmosphere" ? This, because Matt from AccAcc is still paralized in the
hospital and he was the only one who had a problem and this was a long time
ago before his accident. The turbos have been sent back to GT PRO and have
been inspected as Matt said something was wrong. Finally it wasn't as the
turbos have been installed in a nother car and do their work without a
problem (8000 miles on the car since then).

The oil seals have never been a problem because GT PRO uses the stock
Mitsubishi parts there (hybrids) ! If there would be a problem it must be
caused by a bad job during the installation.

Yes, there is some more lag as the peak boost difference is about 1000rpm
compared on the 9b and the 368s (20g size).

As Mike from AltAtm is on the list too, he should be able to tell us the
experience about the 16g he has on the car for over a year and about the lag
and driveability he told Matt about.

But, to me, this sounds like politics as there are people who say the ARC
isn't good and people return them. Interestingly this is often said from
people who haven't tried the stuff by themselves.

For myselfs, I expect a huge lag from that damn large 368s turbos (the sx
are better !) as they look like an overkill to me. Anything larger than 15g
will cause more lag as we can't tweak the physics. A good convertion with
another case or turbine wheel may help and this is why GT PRO uses bored out
turbine housings and wheels for the larger turbos. And for me the ability to
simply bolt the turbos on to the car without the hassle and headeache around
exhaust manifold and cutting stock pieces was important too.

We'll see soon.... I just broke my pulley/balancer as I was abe to get the
bolt off ... yes, I will join the dark side (speak underdrive pulley) as a
new one is so extremely expensive here ($320 !!!) ! I do not feel that good
but money plays a little rule now :-/ The car should be ready in the first
stage in two weeks and then I shoudl be able to tell you more about the lag
of the large turbos.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 15:01:20 +0200
From: Matthews <matthews@bnro.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: ABS, stealths and Hummers

Genesiscon Lehir wrote:
>
> <Big snippo of -- Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany condescending quotes of MY
> mail....>

You mean condensing, I hope.  Condescending has a completely different meaning!


> >>I think we've covered this before...
>
> Don't think so.

Sure we did.  It was quite some time ago... should be in the archives.


> >> the ABS implementation in the S3 is a TWO-PHASE SYSTEM, where diagonal
> corners are linked.
>
> Yadda yadda yadda....then explain me WHY if I put ONE summer/3 winter tires
> on snow, I then have the same
> INSANELY BAD result as if I had 4 summer tires.
>
> And, why, when some brake rotors snapped, the 3S lost ALL of the
> brakes....not 50% of it, but ALL !!!!

I don't know, you tell me!  You're the one experiencing such behavior.


> BTW Mr Mattews, We're just posting there our EXPERIENCES, and we're just
> trying to understand WHY we had them.

And I'm just repeating (vs. interpreting) what's covered in the
Mitsubishi-produced training videos.  Go ahead, shoot the messenger!  Perhaps
next time folks should provide only the documentation that obviously supports
your position and experience?  No, I don't think so.  What I'll do is transcribe
the pertinent parts of the ABS segment of the video, and you can make of it what
you will.  Here you go:


"With ABS, stopping distances can actually increase on surfaces such as snow and
gravel.  Without ABS, loose material can build up in front of the tire, which
creates a barrier that helps slow the vehicle, but steering control is not
maintained."

"The anti-lock braking system used in the 3000GT is identical to the system used
in the Eclipse.  It consists of the ECU, ABS power relay and diode, four wheel
speed sensors, G-force sensor, stoplight switch, valve relay and motor relay."

"Front wheel drive ABS uses three independent control channels, one for the
front-left wheel, one for the front-right wheel and one for the rear wheels
combined.  The system operates on "select-low," meaning the ABS impacts the
channel with the lowest speed."

"All wheel drive vehicles require two-channel systems to prevent driveline
vibration during anti-lock braking.  Excessive vibration can occur because the
front and rear axles are mechanically locked together through a common
driveline.  The pulsing rear wheels will tend to control the front wheels, too,
and because of play in the long, heavy drivetrain, the front wheels will lag
behind the rear wheels.  This causes torsional, or twisting, vibration between
the front and rear axles.  When the front wheel speed drops, the front
controlled channels will start to pulse the front wheels independently.  But
since all wheels are connected through the driveline, you get a lot of
drivetrain windup and vibration."

"So, we use a two-channel system that locks three wheels together in one
channel.  Which three wheels are linked depends on which wheel starts to lock
first.  By linking and pulsing three wheels together in one control channel, we
reduce drivetrain vibration."

"Of course, the free turning wheel in the remaining channel could also lose
traction and start to lock, and then we would lose our vehicle speed reference.
The ABS computer wouldn't know if the vehicle were simply stopping quickly on a
high-traction surface, or not stopping at all, because all four wheels are
locked.  This is why two-channel ABS requires a G-sensor input.  A G-sensor is
used to measure the deceleration rate of the car when it comes to a stop.  It
sends an additional input to the ECU to help it calculate when ABS is required.
The G-sensor helps braking on slick surfaces on which wheels may lock up upon
light brake application."

"Another difference with AWD ABS is the additional output signal from the ABS
ECU to the fuel injection system (ECM) requiring an idle increase during ABS
operation.  Idle-up, as it's called, reduces the likelihood of the engine
stalling during ABS braking.  The long, heavy drivetrain takes a long time to
recover once it starts to lock up, so idle-up prevents stalling by keeping the
wheels turning above the minimum speed."


I won't attempt to draw any conclusions from this to theorize the behavior of
your vehicle.  This is simply HOW IT WORKS.  Best of luck.

- --
Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
mailto:matthews@bnro.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://www.bnro.de/~matthews

*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
http://www.bnro.de/~matthews/stealth.html (Europe)
http://members.stealth-3000gt.st/~matthews/stealth.html  (USA)
Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline fluids (trans, xfer, diff)
Porterfield cryo-treated rotors, RS4 pads, braided lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:10:06 -0500
From: "Scott F." <scottf@binary.net>
Subject: Team3S: 94 VR-4 for sale : MAKE OFFERS

I am sending this out again for those of you that missed it. I apologize if
I am filling up anybody's mailbox since I am submitting it to 3 of the
Verio list, then Starnet list, and the Team3s list)

I want to sell the car soon.....let's start making some OFFERS !!!!!!

- -1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 (Completely Stock & Mitsubishi serviced)
- - VIN : JA3AN74K4RY026057
- -57,500 Miles, Red w/Black interior, Full-size sunroof/moonroof w/crank (VR4
Stock)
- -320 HP Twin Turbo, All Wheel Drive, All Wheel Steering (VR4 Stock)
- - Electronically Controlled Suspension, Active Aero (VR4 Stock)
- - Non-popup halogen headlights & halogen fog lights (VR4 Stock)
- -Active Suspension, Premium chrome wheels (VR4 Stock)
- -BF Goodrich Comp T/A 245/45 ZR 17 tires (3K miles ago due to wear)
- -Replaced brakes & rotors (3K miles ago due to wear) (Mitsubishi Stock)
- - Mitsubishi replaced the Getrag 6 speed with a new one at 35K miles
(trouble shifting)
- -Mitsubishi Replaced clutch assembly when the transmission was replaced.
- -Made Mitsubishi replace the active exhaust at 30K miles (entire passenger
  side pipe/muffler/switch) since it wasn't switching to tour mode (quiet)
- -Mitsubishi replaced ALL valve lash adjusters (3K miles ago) (for engine
ticking sound)
- -Car has been professionally polished and detailed w/finish warranty (you
have to see it)

The car looks brand new !!! Runs and sounds like new !!!

The car is DEFINITELY worth $22K but I want to get it sold.
Since the 60K service has not been done (only 57+K miles on it) I decided to
drop my asking price to make up for it.

Asking $19,995 or best offer.

Make me some offers.....
            .......................then I can sell it before I talk myself
into keeping it.
(and the big $600 payment)

Call (402)476-9470 Any time or e-mail back

Scott Farwell, Lincoln NE



***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun Jul 09 12:31:44 2000
From: StealthCT@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Pump gas

I dyno'ed 443HP at the wheels which would be in excess of 500HP at the crank with pump gas.

***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 11:42:05 -0500
From: "Basol, John" <jbasol@Carlson.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Turbo Size

It was indeed Accelerated Accessories.  I did not speak with Matt.  I spoke
with his brother Chris.  I was simply repeating what I was told (hence, the
note about where the info came from).  As an FYI for everyone, Chris said
Matt is doing much better and will be able to leave the hospital in a couple
of weeks.  There is a good chance that with therapy Matt will one day be
able to walk again.  This was good news to hear for me, as Matt has always
been extremely helpful.  Has anyone here used the 16G wheel in a 15G
housing?  Extreme Turbo from Alabama has given me the option of using the
16G wheel in a 15G housing to get the flow I want, without the installation
headache.  In order to reduce lag they are looking to put the 9B turbine
wheel in.  Effectively creating some form of Hybrid.  Anyone done this
before?  Any thoughts to how this might perform?

- -John Basol

***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:18:00 -0500
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Team3S: Engine temp - interesting observation

Last weekend while running at Brainerd International Raceway (a 3 mile
roadcourse)  I noticed that the engine temp rose sharply while under WOT at
the long straight.  Normally I observe the following engine temperatures:
180 at freeway driving, about 200 in city traffic, 210-220 during an
autocross and open track driving.  While blasting down the long straight at
BIR I observed  that towards the end of the straight the engine temp climbed
rapidly from 220 to 240.  Once I let off the gas it dropped back to 220
almost instantly.  I was going about 140 mph in 4th gear when I observed
this.

I have read on this list that 240 degrees is not harmful to the engine.  I
think the sharp rise in engine temperature is a bit uncomfortable.  Didn't
someone just have to rebuild their engine after overheating at an open track
event?

I'm wondering if the engine temperature was climbing so sharply due to high
discharge temps from the stock turbos - does this seem reasonable?  Is this
something to be concerned about, or are engine temps like this not harmful
to the engine?

My car has a K&N, no cats, Borla exhaust, NGKs gapped at .037, boost control
set at 14.2 PSI.  I was running pump gas and the ambient was 80F+.

Oskar
'95 R/T TT


***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:55:45 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: 1/4 mile times

We ran 12.7 on stock turbos, stock clutch, stock ICs..etc..etc...in our 92 VR4
as well.

What were your 60' times?

- -----Original Message-----
From: DOWNDRIVEN1@cs.com [mailto:DOWNDRIVEN1@cs.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 8:24 PM
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: 1/4 mile times


Trevor,
    I was looking at your times. You can hit 12.65@107.9 with your stock
turbos? I ran yesterday and the best time I could get was 13.75@102 that is
with a k&n and ApexI set at 1.05. I kept getting beat by a stock 300zx that
was running 13.2@108. I cant understand why I was so much slower then the
stock 300zx.

Also can anyone help me was it 1 quart transmission fluid that you substitute
with your oil to stop the annoying ticking?

***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 11:34:47 -0700
From: "Ian Marks" <ianmarks@earthlink.net>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Team3s: Active exhaust removal

The active exhaust for my Stealth turbo ain't so active anymore. Can I just
remove the valve so the exhaust will go out both pipes? As it is now the valve
is stuck just a little open so there is a majority of the exhaust going out only
one set of rear pipes.
Thanks all.
*************************************
Ian Marks
'94 Stealth RT twin turbo

***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:34:36 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 1/4 mile times

If I was to set up a database-driven times list, would people use it?  Could
it be linked-to from 3si.org?  I noticed that the list there has only 5
entrants, the best time of which is 13.8, which I personally know at least
10 people who are faster than that (including myself)!
http://www.3000gt.com/fastqt.htm hasn't been updated since 3/27/2000.

Submission guidelines would be similar to those used on the DSM drag times
page.

Page:

http://www.heckconsulting.com/dsm/drag.html

Guidelines:

http://www.heckconsulting.com/dsm/guidelines.html


Good idea, or bad idea?

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:00:42 -0400
From: "Gil Gomes" <gil@warpedweb.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1/4 mile times

I'd gladly link it to 3KGT.com...
- -G

>If I was to set up a database-driven times list, would people use it?
Could
>it be linked-to from 3si.org?  I noticed that the list there has only 5
>entrants, the best time of which is 13.8, which I personally know at least
>10 people who are faster than that (including myself)!
>http://www.3000gt.com/fastqt.htm hasn't been updated since 3/27/2000.
>
>Submission guidelines would be similar to those used on the DSM drag times
>page.
>
>Page:
>
>http://www.heckconsulting.com/dsm/drag.html
>
>Guidelines:
>
>http://www.heckconsulting.com/dsm/guidelines.html
>
>
>Good idea, or bad idea?
>
>-Matt
>'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>
>***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***


***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:22:46 EDT
From: Cullen123@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Base Stealth

Hello, I'm new to the list, and I have a deep green '92 base Stealth.  Yes,
the weak one, only 164 horse :\  Well....  I been reading back on some of the
archives and noticed two discussions that interested me.  The first, about
negotiating corners.  I took a 15 mph turn at about 30 or so, 2nd gear, and
being a bad driver, ended up sliding into the curb and messin up my
suspension.  I heard all this talk about drifting and tails swinging out, but
I straight up slid into the curb.  I think a contributing factor was harsh
let up on the gas and bad tires (Toyo's heh)  So my car is currently sitting
in my garage with the front right suspension ripped out, I bent and cracked
just about everything under there possible, had to order an entire new setup,
luckily local u-pull it had the entire deal for $270.  Sounds like Mike in
Michigan is having some of the same problems I was.  The shop told me get
just the lower control arm replaced, but when I took a look at it myself, I
noticed stretch marks and stress fractures on just about every suspension
component in there.  Might wanna check that out for noise culprits.

Anyone have any idea why my heater/air conditioner fan aint pumping out any
air?  It blows all the fuses I stick in there.  I am thinkin there might be a
short somewhere, probably the fan motor.  The problem started after I left my
car idling, trunk open, and the stereo up while I was playing basketball.  I
didn't know it was bad to let your car idle for 45 minutes :\  Any comments
would be appreciated.

~Cullen King
  92 Stealth

***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:26:24 EDT
From: Cullen123@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Re: Is it possible to convert'93 frontend to 94+ front?

> I'm interested in converting from my '93 front to the later front
end.
> Is this possible/easy and if so what sort of money is needed to do
it?

My good friend Ryan converted his '91 Stealth TT to a later front end.  Go to
www.teamspeedzone.com and go to the featured car.  Should have all the parts
and part numbers needed, as well as prices.

Cullen

***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 23:09:33 +0200
From: Matthews <matthews@bnro.de>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: Team3s: Active exhaust removal

Ian Marks wrote:
>
> The active exhaust for my Stealth turbo ain't so active anymore. Can I just
> remove the valve so the exhaust will go out both pipes? As it is now the valve
> is stuck just a little open so there is a majority of the exhaust going out only
> one set of rear pipes.
> Thanks all.

I'm not sure about removing the valve, but it is usually very easy to fix (see
instructions at http://user.icx.net/~adams/repair_main.htm).  Once fixed, you
can simply leave it in sport mode, and if it seizes again, either fix it again
or forget about it (since it will be in sport mode).  Note that in sport mode,
most of the exhaust will exit out of the driver's-side pipes - this is normal!

- --
Jim Matthews - Munich, Germany
mailto:matthews@bnro.de (64 Kbps ISDN)
http://www.bnro.de/~matthews

*** 3000GT-Stealth International (3Si) Member #0030 ***
http://www.bnro.de/~matthews/stealth.html (Europe)
http://members.stealth-3000gt.st/~matthews/stealth.html  (USA)
Jet Black '94 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin-Turbo AWD AWS 6-spd
Adjustable Active Suspension, Adjustable Exhaust System
K&N FIPK, A'PEXi Super AVC-R (1.0 bar @ 64% BADC)
A'PEXi Turbo Timer (30 sec), Blitz Blow-Off Valve
Magnecore spark plug wires, Redline fluids (trans, xfer, diff)
Porterfield cryo-treated rotors, RS4 pads, braided lines
Michelin Pilot XGT-Z4 245/45ZR17, Top Speed: 171 mph
G-Tech Pro: 0-60 4.79 sec, 1/4 13.16 sec @ 113.9 mph
1 Feb 99 Dyno Session: 406 SAE HP, 354 lb-ft torque

***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:56:36 -0700
From: "Steve Gula" <mrelloco@eudoramail.com>
Subject: track times on the 'net (was Re: Team3S: 1/4 mile times)

Woah there guys.. a little news before you guys go off on your own...

We're going to have a database driven track times site for ec3s.org (East Coast 3000GT/Stealth, an East Coast concentration of 3SI for the most part, there will be a West Coast version in the near future by Rob Flynn). EC3S will get it's times from 3000GT.COM and 3SI.ORG.    And actually, the way things are going to be soon, is, when ever someone updates their membership info on 3SI.org, the track times will be given to 3000GT.COM so it can be updated appropriatelyor its track times. I'm trying to get some stuff settled with 3000GT.COM's host and we're having a blast trying to get in touch with the guy who actually owns 3000GT.COM (the domain name) and pays the bills for the host.

I think that's all I've got to ramble about right now. BTW, if you're on (or near) the East Coast (did you go to Ocean City?) then go join EC3S (http://www.ec3s.org/join.html).. soon I'll have an internal messaging system set up and some other nifty stuff.

- ---
- ------------------------------------------------
- --Steve "Loco3KGT" Gula (loco3kgt@ec3s.org)
- --1995 Glacier White Pearl 3000GT
- ------------------
- --East Coast 3000GT/Stealth
- --http://www.ec3s.org/
- ------------------------------------------------


On Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:00:42    Gil Gomes wrote:
>I'd gladly link it to 3KGT.com...
>-G
>
>>If I was to set up a database-driven times list, would people use it?
>Could
>>it be linked-to from 3si.org?  I noticed that the list there has only 5
>>entrants, the best time of which is 13.8, which I personally know at least
>>10 people who are faster than that (including myself)!
>>http://www.3000gt.com/fastqt.htm hasn't been updated since 3/27/2000.
>>
>>Submission guidelines would be similar to those used on the DSM drag times
>>page.
>>
>>Page:
>>
>>http://www.heckconsulting.com/dsm/drag.html
>>
>>Guidelines:
>>
>>http://www.heckconsulting.com/dsm/guidelines.html
>>
>>
>>Good idea, or bad idea?
>>
>>-Matt
>>'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>>
>>***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***
>
>
>***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***
>


Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

***  Info:  http://www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm  ***

------------------------------

End of team3s V1 #192
*********************