team3s            Wednesday, June 28 2000            Volume 01 : Number 178




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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:21:44 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Installed high flow pump, car stumbled on quick right turn...

Did you change your fuel filter to a high flow type as well?
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 6/26/00 6:54:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
shmacker@home.com writes:

<< ubj:  Team3S: Installed high flow pump, car stumbled on quick right turn...
 Date:  6/26/00 6:54:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time
 From:  shmacker@home.com (Chris Maxwell)
 Sender:    owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
 To:    stealth@stls.verio.net, team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st
 
 I installed the HK$ high flow pump today and finally got the AFC working and
 then went for a test spin.  The fuel level was a tick under 1/4 and when I
 made a quick right turn at an intersection (roughly 20mph, maybe a little
 less), the car stumbled (like it had no fuel perhaps and wanted to stall)
 for about a second until I got out of the turn.  It was fine when I was
 going straight again.  Could this be a fuel pickup problem?  Perhaps I was a
 little careless in installing the new fuel pump?  This is the only thing
  >>

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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:40:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Installed high flow pump, car stumbled on quick right turn...

Just some guesses here. My FP install page
http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/2-fuelpump.htm
shows pictures of the pump assembly. Maybe the O-ring on top of the
pump got damaged and so "leaks" when fuel is below that level? Did
the white plastic piece on top seat properly? I would think that if
the bottom gasket was damaged the problems would occur all the time.
I don't think the fuel-level float or low-level sensor would cause a
problem. Also, it wouldn't take too long to replace the pump with the
old one just to see if there is a difference.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
  --> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
To: <stealth@stls.verio.net>; <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 7:35 PM
Subject: Team3S: Installed high flow pump, car stumbled on quick
right turn...

I installed the HK$ high flow pump today and finally got the AFC
working and then went for a test spin.  The fuel level was a tick
under 1/4 and when I made a quick right turn at an intersection
(roughly 20mph, maybe a little less), the car stumbled (like it had
no fuel perhaps and wanted to stall) for about a second until I got
out of the turn.  It was fine when I was going straight again.  Could
this be a fuel pickup problem?  Perhaps I was a little careless in
installing the new fuel pump?  This is the only thing that I can
think of since the car never did this before and I've made right
turns much faster than that and with less gas without a problem.  Oh,
and the problem was repeatable as I tried it at the next
intersection.  I filled up the tank and that seems to have solved the
problem for now, but I have a feeling that when the tank gets lower
again, the problem will return.  If I screwed up installing the pump,
what might I have done to have caused this?

If this problem could be caused by something else, please share your
ideas.
=)

Thannks again,
Chris
92 R/T TT (after 3 months of torture, the car runs again...although
somewhat
sickly)


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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:08:22 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Installed high flow pump, car stumbled on quick right turn...

But seriously..im positive its what happens if you slosh a low tank on a
high-flow pump..you get a LOT more air in the system quicker than you did
before, and the FPR return system doesnt get enough time to remove it all.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lucius [mailto:stealthman92@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 7:40 AM
To: stealth@stls.verio.net; team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Installed high flow pump, car stumbled on quick
right turn...


Just some guesses here. My FP install page
http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/2-fuelpump.htm
shows pictures of the pump assembly. Maybe the O-ring on top of the
pump got damaged and so "leaks" when fuel is below that level? Did
the white plastic piece on top seat properly? I would think that if
the bottom gasket was damaged the problems would occur all the time.
I don't think the fuel-level float or low-level sensor would cause a
problem. Also, it wouldn't take too long to replace the pump with the
old one just to see if there is a difference.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
  --> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
To: <stealth@stls.verio.net>; <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 7:35 PM
Subject: Team3S: Installed high flow pump, car stumbled on quick
right turn...

I installed the HK$ high flow pump today and finally got the AFC
working and then went for a test spin.  The fuel level was a tick
under 1/4 and when I made a quick right turn at an intersection
(roughly 20mph, maybe a little less), the car stumbled (like it had
no fuel perhaps and wanted to stall) for about a second until I got
out of the turn.  It was fine when I was going straight again.  Could
this be a fuel pickup problem?  Perhaps I was a little careless in
installing the new fuel pump?  This is the only thing that I can
think of since the car never did this before and I've made right
turns much faster than that and with less gas without a problem.  Oh,
and the problem was repeatable as I tried it at the next
intersection.  I filled up the tank and that seems to have solved the
problem for now, but I have a feeling that when the tank gets lower
again, the problem will return.  If I screwed up installing the pump,
what might I have done to have caused this?

If this problem could be caused by something else, please share your
ideas.
=)

Thannks again,
Chris
92 R/T TT (after 3 months of torture, the car runs again...although
somewhat
sickly)


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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:15:11 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Installed high flow pump, car stumbled on quick right turn...

> But seriously..im positive its what happens if you slosh a low tank on a
> high-flow pump..you get a LOT more air in the system quicker than you did
> before, and the FPR return system doesnt get enough time to remove it all.

Yup, classic fuel sloshing symptoms...  I've had it happen a few times while autocrossing and adding some fuel solved it.  Does your upgraded fuel pump reach as far down into the tank as the stock one did?  Maybe check the alignment of the fuel pickup sock/filter to make sure it is set correctly.  I haven't swapped my fuel pump in yet, so I haven't seen how it is situated myself.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:33:23 -0500
From: "Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Overboost (knock sensor)

>According to Josh at TEC, abnormally high boost levels
>can be possible due to an extremely rich condition and/or
>an extremely retarded timing condition.  Why?  There is
>so much fuel and/or the timing is so retarded that lots of
>fuel is leaving the cylinder, making its way into the turbine
>housing, igniting in the turbine housing and thus "boosting"
>the turbine wheel itself.

I had a faulty knock sensor on my 91 AWD talon, and so
have MANY other people (in DSM land).

Symptoms were:

Carboned up turbo (stock 13g). Replaced under warranty
BLACK exhaust tips, even blackened the bumper a bit
Stinky smell if followed under WOT, worse than normal
Slower than molasses in alaska (winter).
Hell, couldn't outrun a geo metro at times!
ECU Reset's would bring power back for a few miles
EXCESSIVE fuel consumption (12mpg, less?)
Boost seemed normal, if not even "faster" to build!
Car felt as it was traveling uphill all the time.

Diagnosis

Took it to HRC, they tried to rip me off - doesn't this sound corny?

"Yea, we will look at it, but you have to put a cap on how much money you
want to spend with us, and if we find it before your money runs out, then
that will be great, if not, you can put more money into it"

I had about 300$ left to "blow" on my car, and almost did the HRC
thing, but then learned of the TMO datalogger.

The Logger showed unnatural "knock" spikes, even at idle I could
have either full knock, no knock or bouncing around in between.
After an ECU reset, Timing would be back up to 15 (even with strange
knock), but soon would drop back down to 5 or even 0 at WOT!

Pulled the knock sensor off (after I had previously changed or tested
almost every other sensor on the damn car), and replaced with an
OEM new one. The stock one had goop running out the back of it,
and had tiny chunks of rust in the "mic" hole. It was also on VERY
tight, it only NEEDS to be around 5-7ft/lbs, must have been about 20-30
to take it off!

I have a feeling that corrosion, and the loss of the "goop" caused it to
become "hyperactive". It must have though lifters or some other slight
tapping noise was knock.

All was good for about 1 year, until the car was drivin for 10 miles with
0 oil pressure. Still starts, but is getting a new engine anyway.

PS: running so rich for so long also mucks up your o2 sensor,
and in our case, sensor*s* in *hard* to reach places.

Vineet Singh
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Club DSM A/T - http://at.dsm.org  -  "Never Lift To Shift!"
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:31:13 -0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Installed high flow pump, car stumbled on quick rightturn...

Matt Jannusch wrote:

> > But seriously..im positive its what happens if you slosh a low tank on a
> > high-flow pump..you get a LOT more air in the system quicker than you did
> > before, and the FPR return system doesnt get enough time to remove it all.
>
> Yup, classic fuel sloshing symptoms...  I've had it happen a few times

> while autocrossing and adding some fuel solved it.

Does this ever happen under heavy forward acceleration?

Many people like to dragrace their cars with low fuel in the
tank (for weight savings), and I'm wondering if there is a "safe"
level to use in order to ensure that adequate fuel will get picked
up by the pump.

- --Errin Humphrey
Seattle


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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 03:58:42 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Installed high flow pump, car stumbled on quick right turn...

>Yup, classic fuel sloshing symptoms...  I've had it happen a few times
while autocrossing and adding some fuel solved it.  Does your upgraded fuel
pump reach as far down into the tank as the stock one did?  Maybe check the
alignment of the fuel pickup s
>
This is weird. I had the same problem last week at Marshalltown for the
first time. When kicking it coming out of a 45 mph right hand carousel, it
hiccuped. But the hiccup went away as the tank went down. When I was
running on fumes, the car was running great!
Do I have a weird car or what?

Rich/old poop/94 VR4

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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:03:02 -0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Overboost question

Robby/SOL wrote:

> > fuel is leaving the cylinder, making its way into the turbine
> > housing, igniting in the turbine housing and thus "boosting"
> > the turbine wheel itself.
>
> This is extremely seldom and only on cars that have been driven every hard
> where the turbine hosuing of the turbo is gettign extremely hot and then the
> fuel may ignite.

With an overly rich condition and retarded timing, it would
most likely be the spark from the spark plugs that actually
ignites the fuel within the turbine.

> > This problem may have started for Julian (we are not totally
> > sure) when he installed a California-spec MAF sensor, even
> > though his car is a non-California VR4.  He was replacing
>
> No, the MAF is the same only the maps for timing and fuel are different as
> well as some have EGR sensors and that stuff.

Exactly.  This is why we need to jumper his timing back to
the factory timing.  We must consider the possibility that
installing the wrong sensor did permanent damage to the ECU.

> > to open at about 5-6 psi, but the condition did not change.  It also
> > did not change when I plugged the system back into his stock
> > boost solenoid.  High boost persisted.
>
> Does this mean that you did not made the vacuum pump test as I tried to
> describe. How do you know if one hose is damaged or something in the hose
> itselfs that causes it blocked ?? IMHO, it's better to test the stuff
> correctly and not to trial and error on the street.

Believe me, I have worked with these cars long enough to know
how to diagnose an overboost problem. :-)  After eliminating the
boost controller and stock boost solenoid as the source of the
problem, I immediately suggested that the wastegates or wastegate
actuators or wastegate lines could be faulty.  We couldn't test them
right away since we needed to go buy a small handpump.  But
almost the very next day, Julian had bought new turbos and dropped
his car off at the shop. The new turbos eliminated two of the above
three things, and the wastegate lines still remain to be tested (with a
handpump) since the new turbos are in and the problem persists.

> > At the time I suspected that his wastegates (or actuators) were bad,
> > but now that he has new turbos it rules that out.
>
> Yes, and the hoses ????

Not tested yet since I never had a chance to test it.  Julian was
optimistic enough that it was the wastegates that he went and
bought completely new turbos.  But at that time I had already
even suggested that fuel/timing problems could be the source of
this ~above~ normal overboost, and this has a variety of causes.

> Again, ... what fuel controller is used ???

None.  When the problem first arose, Julian was using stock
injectors and no fuel controller.

> Also, is the stock boost out of the road or what ?

Huh?  The stock boost solenoid is removed from the system.
His previous installers didn't do this, so I did it myself for him.

> Is it plugged up or not ???
> ... and what about the list of mods that would count?

Quite a few of the other usual mods: catback, dp, gutted pc,
blitz filter, hks ssbov, hks ic, hks hardpipes, avcr, afc, 550s,
tec 13g, supra pump, tein coilovers, other irrelevant stuff....

Problem remains pretty much the same after new turbos
and fuel mods installed.

> Report back how the pump test as I described in the previous message worked
> out (exactly follwo the procedure) and let's go for the next step then.

Ok, thanks for the help and advice, Roger (et al)!

- --Errin Humphrey
Seattle


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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:53:13 +0200
From: "Robby/SOL" <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Team3S: Latest dyno page up !

Guys, I just uploaded the latest page with the dyno information from May
2000 (two pulls with data log) onto my domain. It is the base dyno session I
made before I started with the real big upgrade.

Check it out under http://www.rtec.ch

Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:37:45 PDT
From: "Zentelis none" <zentelis@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Happiest Man Alive

I just got back from Iowa and am a proud new owner a red '94 R/T TT. The car
is absolutely incredible. Only 2 previous owners who both took real good
care of it. It had a gearbox/clutch replacement 10k miles ago and runs
perfectly. The nice part is, it's 100% stock, so I'll be able to do air
filters, boost controllers, etc etc and learn the car basically from the
ground up. I still have to get the title transfered to PA, but after that
I'll have it detailed and touched up(paint chips on the front from stones
and what-not) and get some pictures up somewhere (not that everyone here
doesn't know what it looks like, I'm just really proud of it :)
- -Aaron
'94 R/T TT (Gotta love it!)
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:44:00 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Latest dyno page up !

> Guys, I just uploaded the latest page with the dyno information from May
> 2000 (two pulls with data log) onto my domain. It is the base dyno session I
> made before I started with the real big upgrade.

Hmm, still a fair amount of knock occuring at not real high boost levels.  I suspect it is because you aren't flowing air through the intercoolers.  They don't do anything if there isn't a lot of ambient airflow over their surfaces, and are the main defense against knock and detonation.  Any chance that at your next dyno session you could measure the intake temps somewhere after the intercoolers?  I'd be interested in seeing what the readings would be.  I'd almost say that depriving the intercoolers air is a good way to ruin a turbo motor in a hurry!

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:41:24 -0000
From: "Sue Smith" <saintsue@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Dyno

Does the VPC work well with the G-Force ECU, or is the G-Force worthless
after installation of the VPC because of the loss of stock MAF?  Was that
443 at the wheels?

Thanks
Sue

> I have a 1994 TT with quite a few mods but here are the ones which are
responsible for the 443HP.
> MSD ignition,VPC,HKS fuel pump, RC 560 injectors, G Force ECU,


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Date: 27 Jun 2000 20:26:24 -0700
From: John Monnin <jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject: Team3S: shortblock

I am looking for a 4-bolt main shortblock.   M&S Recyling has sold new 4-bolt shortblocks on e-bay for $1250 and $1500 but they now want $2500 for one.   This really irritates me because I called them 2-weeks ago and was quoted $1750 or $1850 (I can’t remember which).

Now I am looking for either a new 4-bolt main or a cheap rebuildable 4-bolt main core.    Since my wife is pregnant with our second (due on Dec 31)  my car budget it shot and If I don’t get it back together before too long it may have to sit for another year.

I noticed that Jeff Lucius has built a very beefy 2bolt main block, has anyone else had good luck with 2-bolts?   I only plan on making intake and exhaust mods with a boost controller, am I safe with stock 2-bolt main and cast pistons?

If anyone has a 4-bolt shortblock for sale, or is looking for a good 2-bolt shortblock that just needs crank and pistons:  Please email your home or work phone number and I will call you.

Thanks again for all the info this list has given me.

My work email is
Jmonnin@utilimaster.com

My home email is
Jkmonnin@altavista.com

John Monnin
1991 3000GT VR-4
Been down for 3 months


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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:58:25 -0000
From: "Sue Smith" <saintsue@netzero.net>
Subject: Team3S: Bauerstealth dyno results

Is it true that "racing gas" only helps add hp if there is detonation?  Or
in that case, any higher octane gasoline?  If this is so, I read on the
3si.org website, a couple of weeks ago, where Bauerstealth posted his dyno
numbers.  He had 317 (or thereabouts) hp at the wheels with stock turbos and
pump gas running 1.0 bar of boost.   However, when he ran racing gas and 1.2
bar of boost, he had something like 340 hp at the wheels.  Now I can see
that he should have an increase in peak torque (he did) because the low rpm
where we make our torque peak can have sustained extra boost (the 0.2 bar).
However, where did the hp increase come from?  We all know that the 9b
turbos can only sustain 0.75 (approx) boost to redline, and to our 6000 rpm
hp peak as well.  It seems to me that perhaps (?) there is something wrong
with his car where there is detonation & retarded timing at even 1.0 bar of
boost, that is only fixed when the extra octane racing fuel is added?  Is
this a correct assumption or not?
Thanks,
Sue


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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:07:25 +0100
From: "Simon Jones" <Team3S@3kgto.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Team3S: Oil Pressure Gauge / Sensor

Hi,

My oil pressure gauge has stopped working (seems to be co-incidental with
changing the spark plugs).  I've found the wiring harness detailed in the
manual, but can't find the actual location of the sensor.  Any ideas?

Simon Jones
'94 GTO

P.S. Yes there is oil in the car!


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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:01:51 +0200
From: Robby <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Bauerstealth dyno results

>Is it true that "racing gas" only helps add hp if there is detonation?

Racing gas slows down the burn and therefore the timing can be stayed
advanced. This slow down decreases the danger of knock and therefore the
mixture can be leaner what finally results in more hp. Even more, race gas
is of better quality and can be burnt "better" what also gives you more power.

>He had 317 (or thereabouts) hp at the wheels with stock turbos and
>pump gas running 1.0 bar of boost.

I thought he posted much higher numbers (optimistic)

>However, when he ran racing gas and 1.2
>bar of boost, he had something like 340 hp at the wheels.  Now I can see
>that he should have an increase in peak torque (he did) because the low rpm
>where we make our torque peak can have sustained extra boost (the 0.2 bar).
>However, where did the hp increase come from?

 From 0.2 bars of more boost.

>   We all know that the 9b
>turbos can only sustain 0.75 (approx) boost to redline, and to our 6000 rpm
>hp peak as well.  It seems to me that perhaps (?) there is something wrong
>with his car where there is detonation & retarded timing at even 1.0 bar of
>boost, that is only fixed when the extra octane racing fuel is added?

No, the 9b can hold better but they start to fall off at around 4500 while
my 13g start to go down at 4800. The fallign curve of boost depends on heat
and the initial boost as then bosot can be hold longer. If one experience
overboost in the lower end, the higher end will be better. But this is
dangerous because one could shift into higher gear at 6000 where then
overboost may appear in the danger area for knock above 4500 !!

No, there is nothing wrong with his car ... this is absolutely normal. I
already had five different different 3S cars on the dyno and all showed
knock above 1.0 bar of boost. The timing started to be retarded at 1.05
bars what says that knock-sum was above 15 per second. This is not that
critical although no knock is what we want to see.

You are absolutely right about the fix of the "problem" with racing fuel.
This increases octane and the gas burns better what finally allows you to
increase boost. Also fuel is increased to extra cool the combustion chanber
what wastes fuel and power but even more reduces the danger of detonation.

Also please note that a dyno may have around 5% difference between one and
a nother pull. This makes some small hp gains seen on a second pull
questionable. Also to determine if a car without knock sensor or datalogger
experiences detonation, the car must be hold by the dyno under full load
where the peak hp resides, like 6000. Then boost can be increased on the
controller until the peak hp goes down, i.e. the timing gets retarded. Then
boost should be taken back about 0.05 bars to make sure no knock appears.
With racing fuel, the boost could be cranked up higher as the retard
appeared later. Check out my sites udner www.rtec.ch as I just added my
lates dyno sheets and corresponding datalogs.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:52:28 +0200
From: Robby <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Latest dyno page up !

>Hmm, still a fair amount of knock occuring at not real high boost levels.

Well, for the fact that knock usually starts at 1.00 bar and steady boost
was 1.14 bar at 5000rpm I was expecting it.

>   I suspect it is because you aren't flowing air through the intercoolers.

There is a huge fan infront of the car but I'd like to have two additional
ones for the intercoolers for sure.

>   They don't do anything if there isn't a lot of ambient airflow over
> their surfaces, and are the main defense against knock and detonation.

You are absolutely right and the water injection had to do the most of the
work. Without WI knock starts before 1 bar of boost.

>   Any chance that at your next dyno session you could measure the intake
> temps somewhere after the intercoolers?

We did on earlier sessions and the temp before the TB arose above 90°C
(69°C with WI). On the street I saw up to 72°C and down to 42°C with WI at
1 bars of boost. It is fact that the discharge temps of the small 9b or 13g
are very high and I measured once a peak of 142°C in the rear discharge
pipe where it connects to the softpipe (wire probe). The pipe itselfs got
heated up to around 70°C. With the room temperature of the dyno of around
25-30°C and the heated air from the fan, the dyno test shows a behaviour I
call the worst case. But this tells me where the limits are and I know that
I'm still on the safe side than driving in the danger zone.

>I'd almost say that depriving the intercoolers air is a good way to ruin a
>turbo motor in a hurry!

Sure, and this is why I feel good having a datalogger on my knees with real
time data and prepared to interrupt the dyno operator with his lead foot ;-)

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:37:24 -0500
From: "Oskar" <swede@pclink.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Oil Pressure Gauge / Sensor

Simon,

the oil pressure sensor for the gauge is located on the front left side of
the engine right above the green part of the left front half shaft.

Oskar
'95 R/T TT

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Jones" <Team3S@3kgto.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "3S Tech List" <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 1:07 AM
Subject: Team3S: Oil Pressure Gauge / Sensor


> Hi,
>
> My oil pressure gauge has stopped working (seems to be co-incidental with
> changing the spark plugs).  I've found the wiring harness detailed in the
> manual, but can't find the actual location of the sensor.  Any ideas?
>
> Simon Jones
> '94 GTO
>
> P.S. Yes there is oil in the car!
>
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:36:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: shortblock

Hi John,

IMHO, if you control detonation and keep the oil in good shape, the
1st gen 2-bolt main bearing caps (and stock crank and rods) are more
than adequate up to 500 HP or so. If you plan on adding 15Gs and
upping the boost a **lot**, then forged pistons are good insurance. I
say, save your money for your kids' college fund (or better yet that
used Viper in a few years) and rebuild your 2-bolt. Be sure to have
it dynamically balanced properly to minimize wear on the bearings and
bolts.

PS. I'm detonation-free with 15Gs and 550s upto 1.25 kg/cm2 (18 psi)
on pump gas, that's a pressure ratio of 2.5 here in Colorado.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
  --> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Monnin" <jkmonnin@altavista.com>
To: <team3s-digest@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 9:26 PM
Subject: Team3S: shortblock

I am looking for a 4-bolt main shortblock.   M&S Recyling has sold
new 4-bolt shortblocks on e-bay for $1250 and $1500 but they now want
$2500 for one.   This really irritates me because I called them
2-weeks ago and was quoted $1750 or $1850 (I can’t remember which).

Now I am looking for either a new 4-bolt main or a cheap rebuildable
4-bolt main core.    Since my wife is pregnant with our second (due
on Dec 31)  my car budget it shot and If I don’t get it back together
before too long it may have to sit for another year.

I noticed that Jeff Lucius has built a very beefy 2bolt main block,
has anyone else had good luck with 2-bolts?   I only plan on making
intake and exhaust mods with a boost controller, am I safe with stock
2-bolt main and cast pistons?

If anyone has a 4-bolt shortblock for sale, or is looking for a good
2-bolt shortblock that just needs crank and pistons:  Please email
your home or work phone number and I will call you.

Thanks again for all the info this list has given me.

My work email is
Jmonnin@utilimaster.com

My home email is
Jkmonnin@altavista.com

John Monnin
1991 3000GT VR-4
Been down for 3 months


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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:08:38 -0400
From: "Schilberg, Darren" <DSchilberg@freemarkets.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Happiest Man Alive

I had previously sent this only to my personal list, but it is time to
announce it to the world.

I was the former happiest man alive before Aaron got his car.  I picked up
my first dream machine ('95 VR-4) on 06/15.  I drove it for two wonderful
days then had to leave it at the airport for three days.  Upon returning I
realized I had left our only key to the car in the rental car in O'Hare.
I'm standing in front of a dream car and can't even drive it now.  I later
had two keys cut so we are never short again.

Anyway, mine is also 100% stock and I plan to get used to it, let the
warranty on the engine run out in a few months, and then run the mods.  I'll
be going to two gatherings this summer (Blue Ridge and Midwest) and will
love to see the other cars, talk with other owners, and just get into the
world of the 3000GT/Stealth cars.

Thanks to everyone who helped answer my questions and offer their advice.
If anyone is stopping by Pittsburgh, PA give me a shout (Aaron - where in PA
are you?).

Darren Schilberg
mailto:dschilberg@freemarkets.com <mailto:dschilberg@freemarkets.com>

Had my baby up to 120 mph in 4th gear (about 5,000 rpm I think) and still
wanting to find the upper limit.  Roads are too short around here though.
:-(

- -----Original Message-----
From: Zentelis none [mailto:zentelis@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 7:38 PM
To: team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Happiest Man Alive

I just got back from Iowa and am a proud new owner a red '94 R/T TT. The car

is absolutely incredible. Only 2 previous owners who both took real good
care of it. It had a gearbox/clutch replacement 10k miles ago and runs
perfectly. The nice part is, it's 100% stock, so I'll be able to do air
filters, boost controllers, etc etc and learn the car basically from the
ground up. I still have to get the title transfered to PA, but after that
I'll have it detailed and touched up(paint chips on the front from stones
and what-not) and get some pictures up somewhere (not that everyone here
doesn't know what it looks like, I'm just really proud of it :)
- -Aaron
'94 R/T TT (Gotta love it!)


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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:21:37 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Latest dyno page up !

>> I suspect it is because you aren't flowing air through the intercoolers.

> There is a huge fan infront of the car but I'd like to have two additional
> ones for the intercoolers for sure.

Yeah, I think that would help a lot and the dyno numbers should improve as well.

>> They don't do anything if there isn't a lot of ambient airflow over
>> their surfaces, and are the main defense against knock and detonation.

> You are absolutely right and the water injection had to do the most of the
> work. Without WI knock starts before 1 bar of boost.

Hmmm...  Does anyone have any data on how much water injection can help in
controlling detonation?  Can it extend the boost level 2 psi?  4 psi?  10 psi?
I've heard various numbers thrown out that it is "like running 120 octane fuel"
and such like that, but has anyone with a datalogger and large injectors been
able to do some experimenting?

> We did on earlier sessions and the temp before the TB arose above 90°C
> (69°C with WI). On the street I saw up to 72°C and down to 42°C with WI at
> 1 bars of boost. It is fact that the discharge temps of the small 9b or 13g
> are very high and I measured once a peak of 142°C in the rear discharge
> pipe where it connects to the softpipe (wire probe). The pipe itselfs got
> heated up to around 70°C. With the room temperature of the dyno of around
> 25-30°C and the heated air from the fan, the dyno test shows a behaviour I
> call the worst case. But this tells me where the limits are and I know that
> I'm still on the safe side than driving in the danger zone.

Are you using the water injection before the intercoolers as well as after?
A 21C decrease in temp before it even gets into the motor is huge!  142 degrees
at the rear pipe is a massive amount of heat!  I suppose that's a result of the
9b/13G being too far out of their efficiency island.  That would explain why
the 15G's feel so much stronger at the same boost levels - the discharge temps
should be much lower and therefore the air density higher.  I didn't realize
that the temperature gain would be that high...  Wow!

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4



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