team3s              Sunday, June 25 2000              Volume 01 : Number 175




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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 01:43:10 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: RPS Clutch Situation Getting Better!

I'd love to give mine a thrashing.   SOMEONE(will remained unnamed)  needs
to get me some headers so that I can put these turbos on the car...

I will be sending my RPS clutch back in as soon as I get the OS Giken.


7 months with out driving the VR4 and counting...

Brad
Check out my home page:  http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Jim Berry
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:19 PM
To: xwing@execpc.com; stealth@starnet.net; Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Clutch Situation Getting Better!

I sent my group purchase RPS Turbo Carbon in to RPS for a checkup prior to
installing in my car ---- the new improved  6 puck disk was returned. It has
alternating pucks of carbon fiber [ black stuff anyway ] and a bronze
looking
material [ somebody said ceramic ]. If looks count for anything it should be
a
winner.
I plan on installing it next month, but with only 400 hp I won't be able to
give it
a proper thrashing. If any of you big HP guys get it installed let us know.
BTW, are any of the other performance cars using the same clutch or are we
the test group ???

        Jim berry
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xwing wrote:

> RE:  RPS clutch situation
>
> To confirm what has been recounted by somebody else, I spoke with Rob
> Smith at RPS.   He confirms that the independent company they've used to
> do quality control/testing of their products has been testing the
> 3000GTVR4/Stealth TT (and some Acuras etc) has been testing the pressure
> plate clamp load improperly; so, our pressure plates have been set up
> "over center" so they are on the DOWNSIDE of clamping force, rather than
> the UPSIDE--it is like the clutch is being depressed a little just
> sitting there, even though you AREN'T pressing on the pedal.  This loses
> about 500 lbs of clamping force, and makes the setup have about 21% less
> torque capacity than it could have.  They are now in-house testing, and
> discovered the error; so can now give us true 2900 lb pressure plates,
> which with the carbon + ceramic 6 puck disc, should hold about 580
> ft-lbs of torque!
>
> My car HAD the low-clamp 2400lb pressure plate, and the full-carbon (not
> half-ceramic, which helps because of faster breakin etc). so I am going
> to install the stronger pressure plate and better disc setup.  I hope it
> works...RPS and ACT are both planning a dedicated, thicker pressure
> plate spring to give more pressure yet (Supras have 3600 lbs so they
> don't slip!) but that is not yet available.
>
> .
>
> I have to admire RPS, they DID science out the problem with the pressure
> plates, have corrected that, and considering how relatively few of our
> cars they are (compared to the HORDES of Hondas etc) are spending time
> and brainpower on our situation.  Because they are used alot, problems
> will show up for them alot (stands to reason)...but they keep learning
> and thereby advancing OUR situation and so I'll stick with them.  I can
> sure understand the frustration, I have it myself!



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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:22:14 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Where is the pressure sensor wire on Stealth?

> I was trying to install my Super AFC on my 92 Stealth TT today and I got
up
> to the point where I'm supposed to cut the pressure sensor wire.

If you really mean the pressure sensore like the MAP then it's just not
there because only the 98/99 Mitsus do have a MAP installed for vacuum
readings.

But I think it's the "barometric pressure sensor" wire you are looking for.
This is the same on every car and is the orange wire that goes to pin 65 at
the ECU connector. But I do not understand why you have to cut it ???

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:25:55 +0200
From: "Robby/SOL" <robby@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Turbo's on a base model???

> just been wondering if there is any way to put turbo/turbos on a base GT?

There is always a way if there is the money.

The answer is simple : It's just too expensive and too much work to make an
NA car into a turbocharged car. Why spending that much money for still
having less power than trading it in for a VR4 ? There may be some small
advantages but investing about 6-8 grands for a setup that maybe wouldn't be
stable is much more dangerous than getting a car that is already built that
way.

Roger
93'3000GT TT
www.rtec.ch


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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:51:41 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Clutch Situation Getting Better!

Hay Brad...
Can I have some cheese with that Whine :)
I've been off the road building my car since 11/98
I know exactly how you feel. I'm driving my tow car.
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 06/24/2000 2:41:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bbedell@austin.rr.com writes:

<< Subj:     RE: Team3S: RPS Clutch Situation Getting Better!
 Date:  06/24/2000 2:41:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:  bbedell@austin.rr.com (Brad Bedell)
 Sender:    owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
 To:    fastmax@home.com (Jim Berry), Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st (Team3S)
 
 I'd love to give mine a thrashing.   SOMEONE(will remained unnamed)  needs
 to get me some headers so that I can put these turbos on the car...
 
 I will be sending my RPS clutch back in as soon as I get the OS Giken.
 
 
 7 months with out driving the VR4 and counting...
 
 Brad >>

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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:54:04 -0600
From: "Matthew H. Fogle" <foglem@cybermesa.com>
Subject: Team3S: Clunking during shifts?

I have a 91' VR4 and when I make shifts I get a clunking sound or maybe
it's just a feel coming from the back of the car. My thoughts would be
it's the differential but does anyone have some insight? Thanks!
- -Matthew H. Fogle

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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:25:26 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: RPS Clutch Improvement, 11.219 at 124 no NOS

I installed the "new and improved" RPS pressure plate--now a true ~2900
lb unit (older ones were only 2400 lbs) and the 6 puck sprung hub disc,
with 3 carbon and 3 ceramic pucks, on a stock flywheel.  It works great
so far!  Power handling far better than the older RPS clutches, yet it
is easy to drive and slip from a standing start on the street/everyday.
It is not juddery, you don't have to rev to 1500rpm to get a clean start
on the street.

I have been hoping to avoid having to get the OS Giken or Mueller
twin-disc clutch/flywheels, which cost around $2000 and are costly to
rebuild (Mueller said just replacing the twin discs is $700, though they
last a long time they said).  As for having the OS Giken
rebuilt/repaired, it takes months to get one from Japan and nobody knows
about parts/repair ability so I am humbly afraid of that situation
unless forced to it.

I'm thinking of trying an aluminum flywheel with a steel facing on it.
Mueller makes one, but on DSM list there are reports of the Mueller
units warping, and tearing out the facing due to not enough rivets (Tym
Switzer at Buschur racing said he had this, and Marcus Passante at
Magnus Motorsports said in DSM Digest he was "backing up what Dirk said"
that it happens to Mueller units in his experience also--"one on an RX7
warped like a banana").
Wonder if McLeod makes aluminum/steel faced flywheels for our cars?  Who
makes the one Stillen offers for our cars?

Anyway, with new RPS clutch making 4 passes in my 94 VR4, did a best of
11.219 @ 124.63 mph; best mph 125.10...nitrous not on car.  This takes
the 'quickest non-NOS run' on the "Fastest List" away from Adam Weltz
who is MIA...

Jack Tertadian

ps I MAY be selling my two Bozz Speed Chrome-Moly flywheels.  I think
they are great for roadracing, but may not be as good for dragracing.  I
have a new one and a used one that needs turning.  Reply to
xwing@execpc.com if interested.


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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:24:19 EDT
From: TTurboAWD@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Re: RPS Clutch Improvement, 11.219 at 124 no NOS

In a message dated 06/24/2000 3:32:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
xwing@execpc.com writes:

<< Anyway, with new RPS clutch making 4 passes in my 94 VR4, did a best of
 11.219 @ 124.63 mph; best mph 125.10...nitrous not on car.  This takes
 the 'quickest non-NOS run' on the "Fastest List" away from Adam Weltz
 who is MIA...
 
 Jack Tertadian >>
********Jack,
            Two records with two separate cars? That is completely
         unfair you know!
                              CONGRATULATIONS!
                                Wayne 3SI #87
                                 '91 Stealth TT

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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:23:59 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: Goodridge SS Brake lines

Hey everyone after fighting with brake line back orders I ended up with 4
extra sets of brake lines. The are Goodridge dot approved brake lines for
the 90-99 VR4.

Cost is 190.00 per set plus shipping. (retail is 269.00)  Visa and MC should
be available within a week.


Brad
Check out my home page:  http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682



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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:14:52 -0400
From: Del A Kolasinski <pearlvr42c@juno.com>
Subject: Team3S: Car and Parts For Sale

Time to get myself out of debt, so here it goes.
Car for sale - Pearl White '91 3000GT VR4 w/ 97,000 miles.  Recently done
60K mile service (just to be safe - not sure if previous owner had it
done) NEW Blitz Technospeed Z1 18x9" Rims w/ Kumho 712 275/35ZR18 Tires.
Car is stored winters, comes with 6 month old TEC 15G turbos on it.  A/C
works great as does AWS, active aero and active suspension.  Car also has
a NEW RPS Turbo Clutch as well as a '93 model Transmission and Transfer
Case.  And a Pioneer Premier CD player in it as well.
Looking to get $10,700 o/b/o for the car with equiptment listed above.
Now for the parts I have for sale.
Magnecor KV85 Wires(60), Alamo Motorsports Y-Pipe(100 w/ trade of your
plastic stocker), 1G DSM Blow Off Valve w/ adapter kit(75), ATR 3"
Downpipe(200), HKS EVC IV Boost Controller(380), HKS Turbo Timer IV(60),
Split Second ARC2-GP2 Fuel Controller -COMPLETE-(800), Denso 720cc Fuel
Injectors(450/set), Denso MKIV Fuel Pump(150), Autometer Phantom Series
Boost Guage(40), GReddy EGT Guage(100), Jumoptronix o2 Voltage Meter(60),
Autometer Dual A-Pillar Pod(15), Charcoal Grey Leather Front
Seats(175/pair)
Please email me at Thapearl1@aol.com, or call (414)807-3676.
Thank you,
Del Kolasinski
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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:03:29 EDT
From: Aso8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: RPS Clutch Improvement, 11.219 at 124 no NOS

It's about time you're out there again. Great run.
What did you run the 60ft in with that new RPS clutch?
Arty 91 VR-4

In a message dated 06/24/2000 3:33:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
xwing@execpc.com writes:

<<
 Anyway, with new RPS clutch making 4 passes in my 94 VR4, did a best of
 11.219 @ 124.63 mph; best mph 125.10...nitrous not on car.  This takes
 the 'quickest non-NOS run' on the "Fastest List" away from Adam Weltz
 who is MIA...
 
 Jack Tertadian
  >>

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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:07:12 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: 11.219 at 124 no NOS

Aso8@aol.com wrote:

> It's about time you're out there again. Great run.
> What did you run the 60ft in with that new RPS clutch?
> Arty 91 VR-4

Thanks Arty, Jim, Matt M. etc!
60 foot was not so bad, not so good.  With the Ground Control suspension
setup and "semi-roadrace, semi-streetable" alignment with -1 front/-0.5 rear
camber the traction is not so great for drags with my roadrace tires, so
that was a 1.819  60 foot.  It actually will spin (some of) the tires now,
which is new for me.  Mods are pretty standard fare, but I've been advised
by Warren Johnson not to just broadcast a complete list of skunkworks
information so easily :) that takes all the mystery out of it!  Us
"Independents" who can't take all this $$$ off as a tax writeoff like
Buschur Racing, Extreme, Altered, Accelerated, Dynamic  et al. have a right
to keep a little to ourselves,  IMO.  But there is little mysterious about
it...others have gone the same mph area for some time.
Jack T.



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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:17:57 +0100
From: Gordon Tyrrell <gordon.tyrrell@openet-int.com>
Subject: Team3S: Check Engine Light - Uh-Oh

My car is due it's 60k service. Just waiting for some parts. Took it for
a 2.5 hour run to a friends house and while there we went for a rip.
Full on accel. in 2nd up to redline and I noticed a severe lack of power
although I was getting full boost. Once I hit third I eased off the
power and the Check Engine light came on for 2 secs, went out and then
came on for 2 secs again. All gauges were reading correctly and it
didn't come on again until this morning on the drive back while doing a
steady 60mph in 3rd it came on for 1 sec and went out again. I'm leaving
the car off the road now until the service and hopefully the problem is
minor and will go away after the service and boost controller are fitted
(setting it to .9bar max).

Good Points:
Oil Pressure Perfect
Temp Perfect
Oil on dipstick clean and full
Coolant level full
Boost buildup smooth and up to 1bar then bleeding off smoothly to
.4-.6bar depending on gear

Bad Points:
Accelerate and then let off throttle and the car is jerky while revs
drop
Intake noise has gotten odd and screechy sounding and there is a
definite screech from what I assume is the BOV on throttle release at
4500rpm
Fuel cut coming in just over 1bar (previous owner has removed boost
controller but I have a new one ordered).

Anyone recognise anything in my description??

thanks in advance
Gordon
Dublin, Ireland
1993 Japanese Import VR4
http://fly.to/mr.ie


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