team3s              Monday, June 12 2000              Volume 01 : Number 167




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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:43:01 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: New throw-out bearing squeaks

Hi Paul,

This noise is not the throw-out bearing, it is the transmission.  See this
interesting article http://www.roadkill.com/~davet/moto/trans.articles.html that
Vineet found awhile back.  It is uncanny how close these symptoms match our own
trannys.

Klusmanp@aol.com wrote:
>
> Just had a new clutch installed in my '91 VR4. The new throw-out bearing
> squeaks and clatters just like the old one did. (car at rest - shifter in
> neutral - foot off clutch pedal - engine idling)
>
> Squeeking goes away when I just start to depress the clutch pedal, but the
> rattling doesn't stop untill the clutch pedal is all the way to the floor.
> Car drives fine otherwise.
>
> 1) Are there any adjustments to the clutch that will stop the squeeking?
>
> 2) Do the getrag trannies start to clatter as they age? (mine has about 40k
> mi.)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Paul Klusman
>
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- --
Forget world peace -- visualize using your turn signal!

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:54:40 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Pinging Saga:  Compression  *too high*

First a quick word of thanks for all the people who've offered help/advice
on and off the lists in the last week or so.  I really appreciate it!

Ok, so I think I've found why my car is pinging, and I do think the sound is
light pinging (not that I'm hearing things :)  Timing ok, plug gaps all to
spec, everything looks ok... except

compression(psi):
227, 230, 225, 225, 236, 225  (checked with 2 different gauges)

Spec for a non-turbo is 185psi with no more than a 14psi range of values.

Octane booster doesn't make it stop pinging, so I guess I've got a
problem, and I suppose it's carbon deposits in the cylinders or on the
piston tops.  How high are those readings?  The manual gives a lower
boundary, but not an upper one.  How worried should I be? The things I can
think of would be:

1)  run some kind of cleaner through the top end to hopefully clean it out

2)  to remove the pistons, get the carbon off, and put 'em back in.

3)  make the octane booster people rich and live with light pinging

I don't like #3 because I'd like my car to be running properly:)  I wouldn't
try #2 myself at this point, and I'm sure it would involve many hundreds of
dollars.  So is #1 an option?  If so, any recommendations?  Someone was
telling me about ATF being a good thing to run through the intake to clean
things out...but possibly hydrolocking the engine just doesn't sound fun to
me.  Anybody got a web page on cleaning out carbon deposits?  <g>

Thanks!
- --Erik

- ------                                             ----------
Erik Gross                                         DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT (NA, DOHC, 5-speed)          70,000 mi
   Firestone Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
   Magnacor KV85 spark plug wires, NGK plugs @ 0.040"
   K&N FIPK (57-1500), resonator bye-bye
   Mobil 1 10W30 Synthetic w/ OEM oil filter
   *** No more ticking lash adjusters(since 07/99)! ***
'94 Algae Blue "Ain't No 3000" Corolla               67,000mi
- -------------------------------------------------------------




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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:18:36 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Screwed up gearing in this car

What's with the fucked up gearing in this car (5speed). I can lose my
license in 2nd gear.

Is there any way possible to alter the gearing to a more normal level? I
think it would help acceleration too. It's complete crazy that I need to
shift down to 2nd at 60mph to get any sort of decent speed.
- ----

???

What up with the fucked up gearing in my Celica..I can lose my license in 2nd
gear too!

Lets be reasonable..youre the guy with the right foot, stop being a victim.

I cant see that 2nd gear is 'required' at 60mph for 'decent speed'.

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:14:08 -0700
From: Leonard Dy <LDy@acssys.com>
Subject: Team3S: 95 VR4 w/removable sunroof - lowering springs options?

Advice needed...

Currently I am looking to buy some lowering springs for my car (95 VR4
w/removable sunroof).  I have noticed that Eibach and RSR both have
exceptions for this model year w/ the removable sunroof.  I talked to a
vendor which stated that he could not figure out why this would be and has
installed springs on this model car with no problems at all.  I also talked
to another vendor that sold both Eibach and RSR and told me that I basically
had no options when concerning lowering springs for my car.  Has anyone out
there successfully installed springs for this model year w/ remmovable roof
without any problems?  I know the manufacturer's would not state this
exception for their product if there wasn't a reason.  Maybe a weight or
install issue?  I'd hate to buy springs only to not be able to install them.

Thanks guys,
Len

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:32:44 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Pinging Saga:  Compression  *too high*

> compression(psi):
> 227, 230, 225, 225, 236, 225  (checked with 2 different gauges)

Wow, this is extremely high !!! How have you done the test and is this with
some oil in teh chambers or real clean ?

> Spec for a non-turbo is 185psi with no more than a 14psi range of values.

Yes, 200 is really the top psi I'd like to accept.

> Octane booster doesn't make it stop pinging, so I guess I've got a
> problem, and I suppose it's carbon deposits in the cylinders or on the
> piston tops.

No, octane booster doesn't help you anything it even helps to clogg up the
stuff even more !

> 1)  run some kind of cleaner through the top end to hopefully clean it out

Yes, there is a fluid (Mopar I guess) that you can pour into the cylinders
and let it soak over night. This loosens the stuff and when cranking the
engine it will pushed out. Just follow the procedure and you're fine.

> 2)  to remove the pistons, get the carbon off, and put 'em back in.

Nono.

> 3)  make the octane booster people rich and live with light pinging

This makes the situation even worser as the deposit may be one of the
sideeffects of octane boosters. Non-turbos do not need any oct bosoter at
all.

Go with #1 and search around for a good product if no one can give you a
link to something. If you then have done the cleanup do another compression
test (on the fronts should be enough then)

Roger
93'3000GT TT



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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:36:12 -0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Pinging Saga:  Compression  *too high*

"Gross, Erik" wrote:

> Octane booster doesn't make it stop pinging, so I guess I've got a
> problem, and I suppose it's carbon deposits in the cylinders or on the
> piston tops.

I have recently begun to suspect that I may have the same
problem.  I've been driving my car around very little with
all the work I've been doing to it, and I've been told that
this is a common cause of carbon deposits in the valvetrain
and on the pistons.

> dollars.  So is #1 an option?  If so, any recommendations?  Someone was
> telling me about ATF being a good thing to run through the intake to clean
> things out...but possibly hydrolocking the engine just doesn't sound fun to
> me.

Hydrolocking is definitely a bad thing, but I see no reason
that the ATF cleanout method would lead to it.  I've had
a couple suggestions given to me:

1) Buy the Mopar Cylinder Head Cleaner (can't remember
that exact name, but something to that effect).  Available
from any Dodge dealer.  You run the car warm, shut if off,
spray about half the bottle directly into the intake plenum,
let it sit for a bit, then start up the car (while flooring it b/c
engine will be flooded).  This method was highly recommen-
ded to me by a veteran Mitsubishi mechanic, a guy that I
really trust.

2) Techron makes an engine cleaner which is supposed to
be pretty effective.  It's the kind you add to your gas tank.

3) Take a glass of water, have the car running, take one of
the various vacuum hoses, and while holding the throttle
open quite a bit, suck up the water with the vacuum hose.
If you're holding the throttle open enough, the car won't
die.  This is supposed to be more effective than #1, but of
course you want to be careful lest you hydrolock the
cylinders.  When it comes down to it, almost nothing will
clean out an engine better than good old H2O.

Good luck,

- --Errin Humphrey
94 VR4 - 15G
Seattle


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:38:23 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 95 VR4 w/removable sunroof - lowering springs options?

The only advice I can offer you is that in the service manual, there is no
distinction in parts for this spring on amy model of cars.  The base model
and SL's have one spring, the VR-4's have another spring.  There is no other
difference in the '95 model year.  The service manual does cover the sunroof
models, so if there is a difference, it should (or would) be noted as an
exception in the manual.  I personally say - if no one else has done it,
simply purchase them from some vendor with a good return policy (maybe one
will work with you to clear up the confusion)  Once you do it, I'm sure alot
more list members will be ordering them also.

- -Cody

#Advice needed...
#
#Currently I am looking to buy some lowering springs for my car (95 VR4
#w/removable sunroof).  I have noticed that Eibach and RSR both have
#exceptions for this model year w/ the removable sunroof.  I talked to a
#vendor which stated that he could not figure out why this would be and has
#installed springs on this model car with no problems at all.  I also talked
#to another vendor that sold both Eibach and RSR and told me that I
#basically
#had no options when concerning lowering springs for my car.  Has anyone out
#there successfully installed springs for this model year w/ remmovable roof
#without any problems?  I know the manufacturer's would not state this
#exception for their product if there wasn't a reason.  Maybe a weight or
#install issue?  I'd hate to buy springs only to not be able to
#install them.
#
#Thanks guys,
#Len
#
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:53:56 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Pinging Saga:  Compression  *too high*

> From: R.G. [mailto:robby@freesurf.ch]
> > compression(psi):
> > 227, 230, 225, 225, 236, 225  (checked with 2 different gauges)
>
> Wow, this is extremely high !!! How have you done the test
> and is this with some oil in teh chambers or real clean ?

Doh!  This was *clean* (i.e.  run the car for 10 minutes on the highway,
park, start taking TB/plenum off, and check compression.  I'm down to 20
minutes from parked car to testing compression :)   BTW, for grins and
giggles, I squirted about .75cc of oil into one of the cylinders with a
syringe and then checked it again:  247psi!  Argh.

> > Spec for a non-turbo is 185psi with no more than a 14psi
> range of values.
>
> Yes, 200 is really the top psi I'd like to accept.
>

Ok, that's the ballpark I was thinking of.

> > Octane booster doesn't make it stop pinging, so I guess I've got a
> > problem, and I suppose it's carbon deposits in the  cylinders or on the
> > piston tops.
>
> No, octane booster doesn't help you anything it even helps to
> clogg up the stuff even more !
>

Argh.   Oh well, I've only run one bottle of the stuff.

> > 1)  run some kind of cleaner through the top end to
> hopefully clean it out
>
> Yes, there is a fluid (Mopar I guess) that you can pour into
> the cylinders and let it soak over night. This loosens the stuff and when
> cranking the engine it will pushed out. Just follow the procedure and
you're fine.
>

Ok, <hoping with fingers crossed> that's what I'll start looking at...

> If you then have done the cleanup do another compression
> test (on the fronts should be enough then)

So you can test just the fronts?  You don't have to remove the plugs from
the rear bank?  BTW, I don't think it should make any difference, but when I
checked the compression, I left the plenum off and just let the engine suck
air through the intake manifold.

- --Erik

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:51:29 -0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 95 VR4 w/removable sunroof - lowering springs options?

Leonard Dy wrote:

> installed springs on this model car with no problems at all.  I also talked
> to another vendor that sold both Eibach and RSR and told me that I basically
> had no options when concerning lowering springs for my car.  Has anyone out
> there successfully installed springs for this model year w/ remmovable roof
> without any problems?

My '94 VR4 w/ sunroof is pretty much the same as your
'95, and I've put the RSR and H&R lowering springs on it.
I also see no reason why the Eibachs would not work.

Last I heard, however, you can't buy the RSR's anymore.

I recommend checking out H&R.  The springs were pretty
decent, but not stiff enough (and not as stiff as the RSR's).

Intrax makes springs which will also work for your car.

- --Errin Humphrey
Seattle


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:37:02 -0500
From: Jim Wiseman <jim.wiseman@wcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: Burned ECU?

Vineet,

I just got back from vacation and your information about ECU repair places
(below) couldn't have been more timely. I called the shop where my car is
today and they said the parts house had sent them the wrong ECU and they
would send mine in for rebuilding. I then called Andre at Foreign Auto
Computer Repair. He was *very* helpful and I asked about sending my ECU in
for free testing (as advertised on their website) . He offered that he would
just overnight me a rebuilt ECU and if it didn't resolve the problem I could
send it back for a refund (less the $25 overnight fee).  You can't beat a
deal like that!

The price is half what the shop was going to charge for the part and the
warranty for the Foreign Auto Computer Repair unit is 18 months versus 12
months for the other.

Thanks again for the help. I'll let the group know how it goes when I get
the car back. Keep your fingers crossed for me.

Jim
- -----Original Message-----
From: Vineet Singh [mailto:billi_gates@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:28 AM
To: jim.wiseman@wcom.com
Cc: team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Burned ECU?


Foreign Auto Computer Repair   ECU  20%

15404 Plantation Oaks #2
Tampa, FL 33647 USA
Phone: 813-977-5365 Phone: 813-977-8505 FAX: 813-977-8505

E-mail: acorbin@prodigy.net Web: http://foreignecurepair.com/ (This site
looks DiSgUsTiNg!)

ECU's and TCU's,most units in stock,including hard to find e-prom units for
1st Gen turbo DSMs. Rebuild and return service. Competitive pricing,
overnight shipping, credit cards accepted.

_____

MasterTech   ECU

1405 Bayport Blvd
Seabrook, TX 77586 US
Phone: 888-ECM-TOGO Phone: 281-474-7510 FAX: 281-291-0962

E-mail: mastert@flash.net Web: http://www.ecmtogo.com/

ECU repair for all Mitsubishi vechicles.

_____

Those are two well known, and decently priced "ECU REPAIR" shops that are in
the DSM Vendors list. I would suggest you call both up, and get more prices,
and talk to them about the "burn mark" on your 3/S ECU.

DSM ECU's usually can be had for less than 200$ (non-eprom), so 3/S ones
shouldn't be too much more! I'm also sure that it can't cost 600$+ to REPAIR
your current ECU, that might be a good option too, since your car still
runs, maybe it's not totally un-salvagable.

Vineet Singh
Manuals On CD - http://manualcd.dsm.org
Club DSM A/T - http://at.dsm.org  -  "Never Lift To Shift!"



PS: here is another one, but I don't know anything about them.
_____

Automotive Computer Supply/ECM Finders   ECU  20%

PO Box 890693
Houston, Texas 77289 USA
Phone: 877-ECM-7477 Phone: 281-ECM-0330 FAX: 877-326-4520

E-mail: ecmorder@earthlink.net Web: http://www.ecmfinders.com/

ECM Finders- New, Rebuilt, Used units up to 18 month warranty unlimited
milage. Specializing in Mitsubishi mfd ECM rebuilding. Also specializing in
Mitsubishi Parts locating.

(here is a statement they make, which really isn't a bunch of "hog-wash"

"Mitsubishi made units are rare and subsequently much more expensive. From
1989 to 1994 all Mitsubishi manufactured ECMs were made with component parts
many auto electric experts (including our expert technical research team)
consider inferior.  |source| - http://www.ecmfinders.com/more.htm")
_____


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:48:46 -0600
From: Dean Knoepfle <speedfreek@uswest.net>
Subject: Team3S: shifter shaking

This is an odd problem but recently when cruising around
town in 2nd or 3rd and I let of the gas the shifter will
begin to rattle/shake forward and backward about a 1/4 inch
very fast. Could there be something loose inside the tranny
or linkage?  I want to make sure I don't cause any permanent
damage by driving it this way,  plus it is annoying and I
would like to fix the problem so any help would be
appreciated.

Dean


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:16:09 -0600
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: Team3S: automatic climate control

well, voodoo strikes again..  it's all better now..  I didn't touch a
thing..  I hate not knowing what the real cause was..  oh well..  thanks
to everyone that offered a suggestion..  btw, it _was_ malfunctioning..
it wasn't operator error, at least not this time..  :)

sorry I don't have any info for the people that have constant problems
with their climate control..  I didn't fix it so I don't know what was
wrong! 


Dave
=======================
= 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
= 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
= There is no spoon.. =
=======================

+> Dave,
+>
+> Mine does the same thing.  It happens once a month or so but after about 15
minutes it goes
+> back to normal.
+>
+> At this point I just live with it.
+>
+> Rgds
+> Moe
+>
+> Jim Berry wrote:
+>
+> > Are you sure it's not in the economy mode ---- the compressor light goes o
ff but
+> > everything else is the same.
+> >
+> >         Jim Berry
+> > =================================================
+> >
+> > > on my VR4 with the full auto climate control, the system all of a sudden
+> > > now refuses to switch to A/C (showing the blue cooling arrows on the
+> > > control panel) unless I put the temperature setting all the way at the
+> > > bottom end..  65 degrees..  otherwise it just blows hot air..  it has
+> > > worked perfectly up until today.. 


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:15:53 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: shifter shaking

> This is an odd problem but recently when cruising around
> town in 2nd or 3rd and I let of the gas the shifter will
> begin to rattle/shake forward and backward about a 1/4 inch
> very fast. Could there be something loose inside the tranny
> or linkage?  I want to make sure I don't cause any permanent
> damage by driving it this way,  plus it is annoying and I
> would like to fix the problem so any help would be
> appreciated.

You forgot to mention which car you have (turbo or not, what year, 6-speed or 5 speed, etc.).

If you have a FWD, this is one of the symptoms of the retaining nut coming loose from the gear shaft.  You can take the end cover off the tranny and the nut is accessible there.  Other possiblities are that your primary gears are stripped or damaged, or the end bearings are shot.

Stop driving the car, get it fixed before it gets worse.

If it is the end nut, then I posted detailed instructions on how to fix it which should be in the list Archives.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:24:34 CDT
From: "Curt Gendron" <curt_gendron@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 95 VR4 w/removable sunroof - lowering springs options?

Hey Len,

RSRs are not imported into the USA anymore.  So unless you import them
yourself, you can't get them.

Now onto your real problem.  From everything I've read in the past this is
the situation as I see it.....  On the 95 VR4 (not Stealth), with the manual
sunroof and ECS, there is an extra bracket near the rear springs.  This
bracket is there to add more rigidity to the frame.  Probably because the
sunroof makes the car less rigid and the combination of stiffness of ECS and
the 18" chrome rims, made it needed.  The sport setting of ECS and a low
profile tire will create more "shock" to the frame of the car.  Make sense
so far??

On the late model 95 VR4s, the ECS option was dropped and the power sunroof
replaced the manual sunroof as an option.  So if you have a late model 95
VR4, you ~can~ put lowering springs on your VR4.

The reason the Stealth doesn't have this problem in 95, is ECS was dropped
for all of 95, and the Stealths never came with power sunroofs.

I have never seen this extra bracket with my own eyes, so I can't say with
100% assurance that it even exists.  But I've read several posts in the past
concerning this issue.  For some odd reason, there are no "Minnesota 3/S"
members that come to any gatherings with a 95 VR4 with a manual sunroof. 
;-)  (but there are 4 95 Stealth owners)

Hope that helps,
Curt
http://www.mn3s.org



>From: Leonard Dy <LDy@acssys.com>
>To: "3SI (E-mail)" <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
>Subject: Team3S: 95 VR4 w/removable sunroof - lowering springs options?
>Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:14:08 -0700
>
>Advice needed...
>
>Currently I am looking to buy some lowering springs for my car (95 VR4
>w/removable sunroof).  I have noticed that Eibach and RSR both have
>exceptions for this model year w/ the removable sunroof.  I talked to a
>vendor which stated that he could not figure out why this would be and has
>installed springs on this model car with no problems at all.  I also talked
>to another vendor that sold both Eibach and RSR and told me that I
>basically
>had no options when concerning lowering springs for my car.  Has anyone out
>there successfully installed springs for this model year w/ remmovable roof
>without any problems?  I know the manufacturer's would not state this
>exception for their product if there wasn't a reason.  Maybe a weight or
>install issue?  I'd hate to buy springs only to not be able to install
>them.
>
>Thanks guys,
>Len

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:16:15 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Standard tyre sizes

Mitsu standard for Asia, Aus and Europe was 225/50-17 up to 1993. The Dunlop
SP8080 was developed for our cars then. I have 235/45-17 winter tires o
nthem now.

Roger
93'3000GT TT

> What are the standard tyre sizes for the 1993 VR4 on 17" wheels?
> Mine has 235/45 17's fitted all round and I'm about to replace them and
> noticed 245 mentioned. I thought the 18" had 245 alright but not the
> 17".


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:39:45 -0700
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: tranny leaking again!

I have had my third tranny installed under warranty.  All of them leak from
between the transfer case and gearbox at the bottom.  Is this normal or can
something be done that isn't to prevent this?  Is this a common problem?  I
am quite tired of bringing my car back to get a tranny replaced because the
rebuilds are not holding fluid.

95 VR-4

Sam Shelat


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:59:40 -0400
From: "Omar Malik" <ojm@iname.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Pinging Saga:  Compression  *too high*

Try this page for info on cleaning out carbon deposits, look at "combustion
chamber cleaning:

http://www.dsm.org/menu.epl?item=4

you need mopar combustion chamber cleaner, any chrysler dealership carries
it.

I've done this, and had pretty good results with it. Ran the car warm,
removed the plenum, took out the plugs, and sprayed about 1/4 of a can in
each cylinder, and let it soak almost 24 hours. You would want to fill the
pistons up as much as you can, since our pistons are at an angle, the liquid
would move to one side of the piston and sit there, leaving the higher side
bare. I did this while i did my timing belt, so the cams were free to
rotate, all the valves were closed.. i sprayed some cleaner on top of each
valve to let them soak in overnight as well. Good way to check your valve
seals i suppose. The plenum needs to be removed on non turbos for two
reasons.. One because spraying in through the throttle body, the liquid will
just settle in the  bottom part of the plenum, nowhere near the combustion
chamber :) And two, some of the valves would be closed, you wouldn't see
which chambers got the cleaner and which didn't (open and closed valves).
Hand cranking would help, but you still can't be sure how much cleaner you
got into each chamber.

I didn't do a compression check, as I wasn't having a pinging problem, this
was just a routine maintenance sort of thing, but I could visually see
looking in the spark plug holes that most of the carbon buildup had
disappeared. One word of advice, gut the precats if your a turbo, and pull
the main cats on any car before doing this. You don't want all that carbon
crap clogging up your cats! after doing this, I did an engine flush, changed
the oil, and took it out for a spin. Don't worry if your car creates a wall
of smoke you can't see two feet through., it's perfectly normal, that would
be the cleaner burning up inside the exhaust system. I would suggest this be
done when no ones around. Someone in your neiborhood might complain about
the smoke or the noise from running your car with basically no exhaust (your
cats should still be off at this point).

Another thing, as long as you HAND crank the engine a couple times with plug
holes filled with rags, you shouldn't have any problems with hydrolocking
your engine. Just make sure all the liquid is out of there before closing
things back up. Use a small tube attached to a wet dry vac if you have to.
Most of the cleaner would seep through the rings overnight anyways. Oh and
don't be lazy like me and try crank it by blipping the starter like some
people suggested on that page. Your rags will fly out of the plug holes and
you'll end up with nice carbon/brown cleaner patterns on the inside of your
hood and garage ceiling.

After closing up, it took a good 5 minutes of cranking for 5 sec at 30 sec
intervals to get the engine to fire up. Once it does though, get out of
there, you don't want to breathe those nasty cleaner fumes burning up in
your exhaust. Wait 5 minutes for whatever engine flush you're using, change
the oil, and take her for a spin. after all the carbon has blown out the
exhaust and you've had a good run down the highway, put your cats back on ;)

OH! and it also got rid of my lifter ticking!

Omar
92 r/t

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Gross, Erik
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 12:55 PM
To: 'Team3S List'; 'Starnet 3Si Mailing List'; 'Dragnet 3S Mailing List'
Subject: Team3S: Pinging Saga: Compression *too high*


First a quick word of thanks for all the people who've offered help/advice
on and off the lists in the last week or so.  I really appreciate it!

Ok, so I think I've found why my car is pinging, and I do think the sound is
light pinging (not that I'm hearing things :)  Timing ok, plug gaps all to
spec, everything looks ok... except

compression(psi):
227, 230, 225, 225, 236, 225  (checked with 2 different gauges)

Spec for a non-turbo is 185psi with no more than a 14psi range of values.

Octane booster doesn't make it stop pinging, so I guess I've got a
problem, and I suppose it's carbon deposits in the cylinders or on the
piston tops.  How high are those readings?  The manual gives a lower
boundary, but not an upper one.  How worried should I be? The things I can
think of would be:

1)  run some kind of cleaner through the top end to hopefully clean it out

2)  to remove the pistons, get the carbon off, and put 'em back in.

3)  make the octane booster people rich and live with light pinging

I don't like #3 because I'd like my car to be running properly:)  I wouldn't
try #2 myself at this point, and I'm sure it would involve many hundreds of
dollars.  So is #1 an option?  If so, any recommendations?  Someone was
telling me about ATF being a good thing to run through the intake to clean
things out...but possibly hydrolocking the engine just doesn't sound fun to
me.  Anybody got a web page on cleaning out carbon deposits?  <g>

Thanks!
- --Erik

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Erik Gross                                         DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT (NA, DOHC, 5-speed)          70,000 mi
   Firestone Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
   Magnacor KV85 spark plug wires, NGK plugs @ 0.040"
   K&N FIPK (57-1500), resonator bye-bye
   Mobil 1 10W30 Synthetic w/ OEM oil filter
   *** No more ticking lash adjusters(since 07/99)! ***
'94 Algae Blue "Ain't No 3000" Corolla               67,000mi
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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:04:50 -0500
From: "Craig Hodges" <ahodges@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Team3S: BOV suggestions ?

I have a '99 VR-4.  What BOV would you suggest I get to replace the stock
one?
Thanks
Craig


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:16:20 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: BOV suggestions ?

> I have a '99 VR-4.  What BOV would you suggest I get to replace the stock
> one?

If you are looking for more performance, and not a louder sound then go with the 1G DSM BOV.  You can find the kit as a kit to fit the 1G valve to a 2G DSM car.  Buschur Racing and Extreme Motorsports sell kits.  You could make one easily if you are good with welding...  It just takes a little plate of metal as a flange and a short piece of pipe.  The Greddy BOV can also be used like this, and is adjustable - but more money.

If you want more noise, then the HKS S-BOV or Blitz Super-Sound BOV seem to work good.  Take note though that the Blitz valve preserves the factory valve (which is CRAP), so it may make a bad situation worse.

Whichever way you go, I'd recommend losing the stock valve.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4
(w/1G DSM BOV)

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:54:37 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: tranny leaking again!

Dont bitch *grin*

As long as they keep leakin, you keep stocked with fresh transmissions.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Sam Shelat [mailto:sshelat@erols.com]
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 5:40 PM
To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st; Merritt
Subject: Team3S: Re: tranny leaking again!



I have had my third tranny installed under warranty.  All of them leak from
between the transfer case and gearbox at the bottom.  Is this normal or can
something be done that isn't to prevent this?  Is this a common problem?  I
am quite tired of bringing my car back to get a tranny replaced because the
rebuilds are not holding fluid.

95 VR-4

Sam Shelat


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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:03:11 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: New refrigerant - direct replacement for R-12

Anyone needing an A/C recharge:

Check out R-406A by a company called Monroe Air Tech. This is claimed to be a
direct replacement for the old R-12 that is being phased out. It does not
require any modification to your old A/C system (according to the brochure I
found).

It should be a much less expensive option vs. finding some old R-12 or
converting to the new refrigerant (called H-13?).

Check out Monroe Air Tech at:

http://worldserver.com:/R-406A

or call 1-800-424-3836

Paul Klusman

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:03:09 EDT
From: Klusmanp@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need Help with Evaporator unit + a/c recharge

You might want to check out R-406A by a company called Monroe Air Tech. This
is claimed to be a direct replacement for the old R-12 that is being phased
out. It does not require any modification to your old A/C system (according
to the brochure I found).

It should be a much less expensive option vs. finding some old R-12 or
converting to the new refrigerant (called H-13?).

Check out Monroe Air Tech at:

http://worldserver.com:/R-406A

or call 1-800-424-3836

Hope this helps,

Paul Klusman

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:11:37 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Need Help with Evaporator unit + a/c recharge

>You might want to check out R-406A by a company called Monroe Air Tech. This
>is claimed to be a direct replacement for the old R-12 that is being phased
>out. It does not require any modification to your old A/C system (according
>to the brochure I found).
>
The world is full of phony cures, and replacing R12 with a magic, cheap
fluid falls into that category.
Be careful. This could be phony too. Buy R12 and be sure.

Rich/old poop

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Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:16:24 -0400
From: "Eddie" <stealth3@superservers.net>
Subject: Team3S: Where to buy brake rotors / pads?

Hello,
    I am looking for a place to order cross-drilled / slotted rotors. - I
recall hearing that speedtoys.com carried them, but their web page seems to
be down.

    If anyone has any recommendations (rather it be store, brand of rotor,
brand of brake PAD, etc.) It would be great.

Thanks.
Eddie
92 R/T



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