team3s
Sunday, June 11
2000
Volume 01 : Number
165
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Date:
Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:49:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: WHAT CAUSED ROD FAILURE?
To my knowledge, 1991-1992 cranks
are cast iron and not treated.
Surface-treated, steel cranks started in 1993
with 4-bolt
main-bearing caps.
Jeff Lucius
1992 Stealth TT -
modified
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Berry" <
fastmax@home.com>
To: "Geoff Mohler"
<
gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Cc:
"Jeff Lucius" <
stealthman92@yahoo.com>;
"Team3S"
<
team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>;
<
Ampebob@aol.com>
Sent: Friday,
June 09, 2000 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Team3S: WHAT CAUSED ROD
FAILURE?
Geoff wrote
> Once you have blown bearings..its best
to remove the crank and have
it
> polished and checked for
roundness.x
I know that grinding the crank is a no-no unless you have it
recoated
[ I think the buzz word is nitrided ] but can you polish the
journals
without removing the treatment. I guess the question is, how deep
is
the hardning treatment --- does anybody know ????????
PS. you can
check the big end rod journals in place --- you can't
check to see if it's
straight.
Jim
Berry
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Date:
Sat, 10 Jun 2000 07:08:31 -0500
From: xwing <
xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re:
WHAT CAUSED ROD FAILURE?
When my 94 engine was busy losing its rod
bearings, it did not have a
knock, but would sort of lie down/act like it was
losing power at high
rpm's, almost like it was bogging. It had an
interesting engine note,
almost like there was the normal engine
frequency/sound and a half-beat
off tone, like a mirroring slower resonant
engine sound. No knock really
until late, after it had been busy
grinding that bearing set and crank
journal, turning red hot and blueing the
crank throw etc. and even then
it wasn't much of a knock sound, not happening
most of the time.
I had just bought the car a couple of months earlier, and I
think they
used nonsynthetic oil and overheated it some; cat was plugged with
slag
from a precat delaminating/falling apart inside, so was slow
etc.
JT
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Date:
Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:33:09 -0500
From: "Vineet Singh" <
billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject:
RE: Team3S: WHAT CAUSED ROD FAILURE? (don't yell)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000
10:37:45 EDT
From:
??bob@aol.comSubject: Team3S: WHAT CAUSED
ROD FAILURE?
I had a question, maybe you guys/gals can help me figure it
out, it's not
exactly 3/S related, but is related to a post made
here.
I don't use AOL myself, but often, even on other lists, often the
only
people that type in all CAPITAL letters are
????@aol.com users. Is it
something to do with
their email programs? Are they told to type this way? I
asked one lady, and
she told me, "it stands out more"... I told her "it's
rude, and
unprofessional". She didn't take too kindly, however, she doesn't
do it
anymore :)
I'm not making this a personal attack, I just see the
opportunity to find
out why it happens, so I can better explain to others why
not to do it.
Thanks!
- -VS
PS: since the dealer performed the
work, and the car DIDN'T have rod knock
BEFORE, I would think they are liable
for using improperly gauged bearings
(if these engines use such bearings),
and/or not torquing things down to
spec, thereby destroying the new bearings,
and possibly crank (if you drove
it long enough)
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Date:
Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:18:13 -0700
From:
jeff.mohler@netapp.comSubject: RE:
Team3S: WHAT CAUSED ROD FAILURE? (don't yell)
Unfortunately the ease at
which we can access the Internet has hurt society.
There used to be a
time you had to at least be smart enough to program a modem,
before you could
get online.
There hasnt been a PC that forces all-caps since like the
CoCo
:-----Original Message-----
:From: Vineet Singh [
mailto:billi_gates@hotmail.com]
:Sent:
Saturday, June 10, 2000 10:33 AM
:To:
team3S@stealth-3000gt.st:Subject:
RE: Team3S: WHAT CAUSED ROD FAILURE? (don't yell)
:
:
:Date: Fri, 9 Jun
2000 10:37:45 EDT
:From:
??bob@aol.com:Subject: Team3S: WHAT CAUSED
ROD FAILURE?
:
:I had a question, maybe you guys/gals can help me figure
it
:out, it's not
:exactly 3/S related, but is related to a post made
here.
:
:I don't use AOL myself, but often, even on other lists, often the
only
:people that type in all CAPITAL letters are
????@aol.com users. Is it
:something to do
with their email programs? Are they told to
:type this way? I
:asked one
lady, and she told me, "it stands out more"... I
:told her "it's
:rude,
and unprofessional". She didn't take too kindly,
:however, she
doesn't
:do it anymore :)
:
:I'm not making this a personal attack, I
just see the
:opportunity to find
:out why it happens, so I can better
explain to others why not to do it.
:Thanks!
:
:-VS
:
:PS: since
the dealer performed the work, and the car DIDN'T
:have rod
knock
:BEFORE, I would think they are liable for using improperly
:gauged
bearings
:(if these engines use such bearings), and/or not torquing
:things down to
:spec, thereby destroying the new bearings, and possibly
crank
:(if you drove
:it long enough)
:
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Date:
Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:37:09 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <
bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re:
Team3S: Admin NOTICE: re:WHAT CAUSED..snip.. (don't yell)
Dealing with
"newbies" is my not my favorite thing either. BUT...
Commenting on
"non-technical" topics (in violation of our rules) is even
LESS correct than
the newbies' "all-caps" errors. At least they don't
know any
better. Knowing the rules and snubbing them has hurt society
much
more!
Keep chat, fluff, and even "polite flames" OFF the list and
private,
please! There are lots of forums out there where such opinions
are
welcome. Team3S is not one of them.
Forrest
for the
Admin
> :-----Original Message-----> :From: Vineet Singh
[
mailto:billi_gates@hotmail.com]
>
: Re:
> :Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:37:45 EDT
> :From:
??bob@aol.com> :Subject: Team3S: WHAT
CAUSED ROD FAILURE?
- -----------snip-----------
> :I don't use AOL
myself, but often, even on other lists, often the
only
> :people that
type in all CAPITAL letters are
????@aol.com
users. Is it
> :something to do with their email programs? Are they told
to
> :type this way? I
> :asked one lady, and she told me, "it
stands out more"... I
> :told her "it's
> :rude, and
unprofessional". She didn't take too kindly,
-
--------snip------------
- ----- Original Message ----- From: <
jeff.mohler@netapp.com>
>
Unfortunately the ease at which we can access the Internet has
hurt
society.
> There used to be a time you had to at least be smart
enough to program
a modem,
> before you could get online.
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Date:
Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:25:21 -0700
From: Errin Humphrey <
errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject:
Team3S: [Fwd: 3000gt ecu eprom tuning]
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Dear friends, excuse my bad english, I am italian. Sorry.
I
have a 3000GT VR4 TWIN TURBO 6 SPEED 1996 model
I have opened my ECU, there
is 01 eprom in my ECU model, this is great. We
have a mitsubishi original ecu
stock, there is 01 eprom 27C102 40 PIN 1MBYTE
12,5Volts, we have read it, the
original file, made from mitsubishi in 1994
1995 for 6 speed version, has
this characteristics:
checksum 721C
the file bigin
with:
DVER7462A-04-6MT
6G72 V6DOHC T/C
95MY EC RCAR 92
00 6MT
COPYRIGHT
(C) 1992, 1993,
MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC
CORPORATION ALL
RIGHT
RESERVED 94/01/26
If usefull, I can send to you the original file of my
eprom to view it.
The car has 80.000 km (50.000 miles) this mod is for
personal use and hobby,
not for work .
we are working on the original
file, but surely you are the best expert of
3000gt of the world that can help
us, surely we can do a great pubblicity to
you and your company (we are
member of
WWW.CCDSM.ORG,
WWW.3000GT.COM , and
others mitsubishi clubs
of america and all the world , with a great success.
can somebody help us
to have a modified file to tune the ECU ? can somebody
write to us where in
internet we can find it, please is very important for
us. We love
3000gt.
Thanks for this. We will be happy to receive your help please. In
Italy
there is't experience in tuning this car.
Thanks thanks
thanks.
Waiting....bye bye, Ayrton !
PLEASE HELP US, WE KNOW YOU CAN,
THANKS!
e mail to
3000gt@net-service.netthaaaankkkssssssssssssssssssssssss
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date:
Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:59:38 -0500
From: Merritt <
merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject:
Team3S: Let's go open tracking!
Next Wednesday (June 21), we'll be having
another open track day at the
Marshalltown International Speedway. I've writ
about this before -- but
just to remind you, Marshalltown is a 0.6 mile
go-kart and motorcycle track
that's 30 ft wide with 13 turns and we run it in
about 42 seconds, at a 55
mph average. Top speed is 70-75 (80 if you have
more horsepower and lots
of....uh, bravery).
Last time I ran, it was
$50 per car to run all afternoon. I did about 75
laps myself.
Anybody
interested in attending? Marshalltown is in the middle of Iowa,
about five
hours or less from civilization -- Chicago, Minneapolis,
Milwaukee, Kansas
City, St. Louis, etc. You could drive over in the morning
fairly easily from
just about anywhere, and go back that night. We
traditionally have dinner at
Rube's afterward, home of Rube's Super Strip,
a 32-oz strip steak that you
cook yourself at a community grille whilst
swigging beer.
All you need
is a Snell 90 helmet because...because...well, because we
think you oughta
have one.
Otherwise, there are no rules, no pylons, no organizing club,
nobody to
sue, etc. Sometimes we have timing lights and a computer, sometimes
not. We
are just a bunch of ROWGs with Ferraris, Porsches, Vettes, BMWs and
so on
(one Mitsu -- me), who get together every now and then to rent the
track.
Now here's the cool part: On Wednesday morning, we'll be making
a
presentation to the Iowa Department of Economic Development and the
Highway
Patrol and the Des Moines police department and other interested
parties in
an attempt to wring a few million dollars out of the state to
expand the
Marshalltown track to 2.1 miles, widen it to 38 ft (SCCA minimum)
and turn
it into a police driving school/race track. After the meeting, we'll
drag
all the suits and uniforms out to the track, and let them see cars from
all
over running.
What would be really cool is if we had cars
from Illinois, Minnesota,
Kansas, Missouri and Wisconsin -- this would
clearly demonstrate that if
they build it, cars will come (where have I heard
that before?). I am
lobbying the ROWGs to let out-of-state cars get in for
free, but I'm still
working on that one.
In any case, let me know if
you are interested, and I'll let you know where
and when.
E-mail me
off list, please, at
merritt@cedar-rapids.net.
Rich/old
poop/94 VR4
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Date:
10 Jun 2000 21:44:14 -0700
From: John Monnin <
jkmonnin@altavista.com>
Subject:
Team3S: valve lash adjusters
I am taking my heads to the machine shop to
get a valve job and check to make sure the the valves did not get damaged when
they hit the pistons.
My question is will replacing the valve lash
adjusters help with lifter noise? Did Mitsubishi ever make a more reliable
valve lash adjuster or would I just be wasting my money?
John
Monnin
jkmonnin@altavista.com91
VR4
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Date:
Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:46:30 -0600
From: Dave Monarchi <
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject:
Team3S: automatic climate control
yet another non-performance post from
me..
on my VR4 with the full auto climate control, the system all of a
sudden
now refuses to switch to A/C (showing the blue cooling arrows on the
control panel) unless I put the temperature setting all the way at the
bottom end.. 65 degrees.. otherwise it just blows hot
air.. it has
worked perfectly up until today.. the only possible
thing I can think of
that I might have done, is that I washed (more like
rinsed the top of)
the engine with cool water while the engine was
warm.. not hot..
anything I might have zapped with the temp
change in the engine
compartment? I realized it was stupid to do after
the fact, so no
lectures..
any
thoughts?
TIA..
Dave
=======================
= 95 Black
3000GT VR4 =
= 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
= There is no spoon..
=
=======================
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Date:
Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:03:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Wise <
diranged@south-park.cc>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: automatic climate control
I would tend to think more that the
temp sensor in the cabin went bad for
some reason. Wer eyou doin gany
electrical work recenly?
On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Dave Monarchi
wrote:
>
> yet another non-performance post from me..
>
> on my VR4 with the full auto climate control, the system all of a
sudden
> now refuses to switch to A/C (showing the blue cooling arrows on
the
> control panel) unless I put the temperature setting all the way at
the
> bottom end.. 65 degrees.. otherwise it just blows hot
air.. it has
> worked perfectly up until today.. the only
possible thing I can think of
> that I might have done, is that I washed
(more like rinsed the top of)
> the engine with cool water while the
engine was warm.. not hot..
> anything I might have zapped
with the temp change in the engine
> compartment? I realized it was
stupid to do after the fact, so no
> lectures..
>
>
>
any thoughts?
>
> TIA..
>
>
> Dave
>
=======================
> = 95 Black 3000GT VR4 =
> = 87 Mica Red
GTI G60 =
> = There is no spoon.. =
>
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Date:
Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:50:35 -0600
From: Dave Monarchi <
monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject:
Re: Team3S: automatic climate control
my first thought too, but no
electrical work.. now that I think about it,
I did have the battery
disconnected a couple days ago, but I'm pretty sure
it was fine after
that.. and I can't imagine how that would affect it
unless I got a
surge of some sort.. I just put a multimeter on the
interior temp
sensor and although I didn't get the resistance value the
manual specified,
it did change in value with temp changes.. so I can't
say if it's
working correctly, but it appears to be doing something..
after a little
more poking around in the manual, I noticed the blink
codes for this
circuit.. I'll check that tomorrow..
thanks for the
ideas..
Dave
=======================
= 95 Black 3000GT VR4
=
= 87 Mica Red GTI G60 =
= There is no spoon..
=
=======================
+> I would tend to think more that
the temp sensor in the cabin went bad for
+> some reason. Wer eyou doin
gany electrical work recenly?
+>
+> On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Dave
Monarchi wrote:
+>
+> >
+> > yet another
non-performance post from me..
+> >
+> > on my VR4 with the
full auto climate control, the system all of a sudden
+> > now refuses
to switch to A/C (showing the blue cooling arrows on the
+> > control
panel) unless I put the temperature setting all the way at the
+> >
bottom end.. 65 degrees.. otherwise it just blows hot air.. it
has
+> > worked perfectly up until today.. the only possible
thing I can think of
+> > that I might have done, is that I washed
(more like rinsed the top of)
+> > the engine with cool water while
the engine was warm.. not hot..
+> > anything I might have
zapped with the temp change in the engine
+> > compartment? I
realized it was stupid to do after the fact, so no
+> >
lectures..
+> >
+> >
+> > any thoughts?
+>
>
+> > TIA..
+> >
+> >
+> >
Dave
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Date:
Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:19:12 -0500
From: wizards <
wizards@mhtc.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S:
valve lash adjusters
John,
From what I've read replacing the Lash
adjusters will help .... Mitsu
DID come up with an improved lash adjuster
that I understand has larger
holes in it to prevent the ticking noise.
I searched my records and
found the following sentence that should help you
out. Good luck and
let me know if it helps as I'm going to try and get
Mitsu to do this for
me on warranty later this Summer.
Yes the
md337687 is the new lash adjuster , should list for $14.67 3si
discount
is $11.74.
Greg
John Monnin wrote:
>
> I am
taking my heads to the machine shop to get a valve job and check to make sure
the the valves did not get damaged when they hit the pistons.
> My
question is will replacing the valve lash adjusters help with lifter
noise? Did Mitsubishi ever make a more reliable valve lash adjuster or
would I just be wasting my money?
>
> John Monnin
>
jkmonnin@altavista.com> 91
VR4
>
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