team3s              Tuesday, June 6 2000              Volume 01 : Number 161




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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:23:26 EDT
From: AABOMB1@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Re: Turbos on non turbos?

>Does anyone know if they make a supercharger of any kind for the non turbo
>early model 3000GT's?  Also anyone ever use an adjustable suspension from
>Ground Control?
>Jim

I've heard that they make an SL TT kit that let's you add twin turbos to your
current SL. I've never seen it, but people on the Starnet list were talking
about it (or maybe it was the Dragnet list), they said you can get it for
about $7000.



AA

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 10:44:55 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: AVC-R

> I finally got my APEXi AVC-R working right. But why cant I get First gear to
> reach 1.00. I have the start duty set at 50% in first gear. My boost is set
> to 1.00 and 65% Duty. Feed Back is 97533. If I am lucky 1st will reach .80
> kg/cm2. thank you Alex

Since first gear accelerations reach redline so quickly, there isn't enough time
to reach full boost.  On my '91 with stock cats, I usually acheive .90 - 1.0
kg/cm^^2 in first gear.

Also, what does your 65% duty refer too?  It that your intial duty setting at
the start of learning?  If so, it might be so high that you have a lot of
spiking at early RPM  (use your peak boost hold feature and perform a few accels
from 2500-4000 RPM).  If your peak is higher than your boost setting, lower your
intitial duty setting and relearn your duty curve.  I typically use an intitial
duty setting in the 45% range for max boost of 1.05.  Remember that learning
becomes disabled if you're greatly overshooting your specified boost setting.

Good luck,
Ken
- --
Forget world peace -- visualize using your turn signal!

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 16:28:59 -0500
From: Jim Wiseman <jim.wiseman@wcom.com>
Subject: Team3S: Bad ECU?

I've only had my '92 TT back about 2 weeks after having both turbos replaced
(oil starvation due to coked up oil feed lines). The car has started surging
at highway speed, the turbo boost gauge is dead (doesn't register vacuum or
boost at all), the car won't come off idle without stalling until it's
warmed up, backfires when lifting off gas.  The shop said they diagnosed a
bad ECU (found a burn mark on it, they said).  Anyway, they're talking about
$625 for a rebuilt ECU (12 month/12k warranty) installed.

Does anyone know if this sounds legit? I thought I trusted these guys but I
have to wonder if there was anything they could have done while replacing
the turbos that might have caused this. Also, has anyone had good or bad
luck with rebuilt ECU's? Has anyone else had an ECU go bad and experience
these symptoms?  Thanks for the help.

Jim
A sick '92 TT


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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 16:40:05 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Bad ECU?

At 04:28 PM 6/5/00 -0500, Jim Wiseman wrote:
>I've only had my '92 TT back about 2 weeks after having both turbos replaced
>(oil starvation due to coked up oil feed lines). The car has started surging
>at highway speed, the turbo boost gauge is dead (doesn't register vacuum or
>boost at all), the car won't come off idle without stalling until it's
>warmed up, backfires when lifting off gas. 

Gee. Sounds to me like a vacuum leak -- like a hose came off somewhere.
Except for the dead boost gauge, I had an old Corvette that acted the same
way when a line came loose.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4/living in a vacuum here in Iowa

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:00:15 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Bad ECU?

> I've only had my '92 TT back about 2 weeks after having both turbos replaced
> (oil starvation due to coked up oil feed lines). The car has started surging
> at highway speed, the turbo boost gauge is dead (doesn't register vacuum or
> boost at all), the car won't come off idle without stalling until it's
> warmed up, backfires when lifting off gas.  The shop said they diagnosed a
> bad ECU (found a burn mark on it, they said).  Anyway, they're talking about
> $625 for a rebuilt ECU (12 month/12k warranty) installed.

Sounds a little fishy to me.  If they didn't disconnect the battery and started fiddling around in the engine compartment, anything is possible.  Is the wiring harness connected to the MAF sensor?  If it isn't, the car will still somewhat run (although very poorly), you'll get a check engine light, the boost gauge will probably be dead since there's no airflow reading coming into the ECU, and it'll backfire because the ECU runs the car extremely rich to protect the engine enough to let you limp home.  If the cable is connected, they may have sliced it somewhere and then it caused a short which hosed the ECU.

Seems to me like it should be something that they caused.  ECUs don't normally just "go" at the same time as turbos.  Maybe coincidence, but I'd scowl at the mechanics first and see what they do.

What other troubleshooting steps did they perform before pointing a finger at the ECU?

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:42:36 EDT
From: MerisaPDX@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Airconditioner Problems

I  am in need of a clutch head assembly including pulley for my 1991 Dodge
Stealth RT 24 valve non-turbo.  If anyone out there has a spare or knows of
anyone who may have a used one, please let me know.

Thanks

Merrisa

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:11:01 -0500
From: "Vineet Singh" <billi_gates@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: "honking" noise for K&N FIPK

You know? I never knew exactly what everyone meant by "honking" noise... I
occaisionally had the noise too, and it was associated with a loss of power
at the same throttle position. Flooring it made it worse. It happened around
2500-3500 rpms, usually when "lugging" the engine by not being in the
optimum gear for how much the throttle is pressed.

Now, with the 1g DSM BOV, I have NEVER heard or felt the "honking"
syndrome... which all this time I thought was somehow related to the K&N
FIPK. I guess it's really just the stock 3/S BOV, and some
whistling/resonance cause by it's "leaky" design.

Vineet Singh - No more goose stuck under the hood :)
Manuals On CD - http://manualcd.dsm.org
Club DSM A/T - http://at.dsm.org  -  "Never Lift To Shift!"

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From: <Yogourt@aol.com>
To: <stealth@stls.verio.net>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: "honking" noise for K&N FIPK


> I had the same problem when I put on my k&N.  I replaced the factory
blowoff
> valve with a 1st gen eclipse BOV and the noise went away.
>
> Paul

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:14:25 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: "honking" noise for K&N FIPK

> Now, with the 1g DSM BOV, I have NEVER heard or felt the "honking"
> syndrome... which all this time I thought was somehow related to the K&N
> FIPK. I guess it's really just the stock 3/S BOV, and some
> whistling/resonance cause by it's "leaky" design.

Yup, I had it at partial throttle during transitions between slight boost and slight vacuum.  Gone with the 1G DSM BOV.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:04:40 EDT
From: Mitsukid99@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Found problem on wheel shimmy..

The wheel itself. :(  Damaged, it has too much runout.

So, does anyone happen to have a stock 5star chrome 17" lying around(stock on
93VR-4) for sale?

Ant

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 20:21:53 -0400
From: Joe Gonsowski <twinturbo@mediaone.net>
Subject: Team3S: Rocker Ratio?

Anyone know what the stock rocker ratio is on the twin turbos?  It
appears to be at least 1.6, maybe even 1.7.  Anyone put a solid tappet
with zero lash and check valve lift vs cam lift? (of course you wouldn't
run your engine this way)

Thanks,
Joe Gonsowski
'92 R/T TT


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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:13:10 -0500
From: Wayne <whietala@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rocker Ratio?

If you have your cams out, you can measure the lobe both ways (tall/short)
subtract one from the other and you have cam lift. The service manual
should have the valve lift. With these two sets of figures, you can get
your rocker ratio......

Wayne


At 07:21 PM 06/05/2000 , Joe Gonsowski wrote:
>Anyone know what the stock rocker ratio is on the twin turbos?
>
>Thanks,
>Joe Gonsowski
>'92 R/T TT
>


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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 22:03:51 -0400
From: Joe Gonsowski <twinturbo@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Rocker Ratio?

Wayne wrote:

> If you have your cams out, you can measure the lobe both ways (tall/short)
> subtract one from the other and you have cam lift. The service manual
> should have the valve lift. With these two sets of figures, you can get
> your rocker ratio......

Valve lift is what I'm actually looking for so I can test my new springs at
installed height (1.492") as well as full lift.  I know cam lift for intake
and exhuast, but not the valve lift.  Knowing rocker ratio or valve lift will
give me the answer I'm looking for.

BTW - does anyone know why seat load changed over the years (seat load is
spring load while on basecircle - a.k.a. installed height).  In '92 it was
62lbs and by '95 it was down to 53lbs.

Thanks Wayne for the reply,
Slo Joe


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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:25:32 -0700
From: "Murat Okcuoglu" <murat@dellnet.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Bad ECU?

ECU's just dont die

I bet these guys fried it.

it is also possible that the AFM is not plugged in or is not plugged in
right. check the connector at the air filter and try again.

otherwise, good luck


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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:45:46 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 94 brakes on a 92?

> Actually, the Porsche brakes will clear the stock 91-93 Mitsubishi wheels.
> You can just fit a business card between the wheel and caliper though.   Not
> sure what would happen if a wheel was slightly bent, or the wheel weights
> were placed in the wrong position :-D.    Dave Skultety (sp?) had the 17" 93
> Mitsubishi wheels and had no clearance problems when the wheel flexed in a
> corner.
>
> I remember testing the Stealth wheels and they not fitting.
> (I'd like to check again if someone has a stealth in the Austin Area)

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I tried putting my old  17" 93 Stealth wheels on my newely installed Big Reds.
As Brad mentioned with the Mitsu wheels, the clearence was about .015".
The wheel would turn but the clearance is so small that I wouldn't drive the
car like that, let alone race it !!!
PS.  I run the car with 94 17" VR4 wheels with the Big Red calipers.


Jim Berry  >>>          93 stealth TT ---- "arrest me red"
                       K&N FIPK -- Magnicore/.034" --- Blitz SSBC
                               --- GAB struts --- Stillen SS lines ---
                     GC/Eibach  600# F/350# R --- GC caster/camber plate
                             Yokohama  AVS  sport  255x40x17
                    Porsche/Brembo [ big red ] calipers --- KVR 315mm rotors
                              Roadrace engineering rear  strut tower
                       Gtech --- 0-60 = 4.75 -- 1/4 = 13.3 @ 110 mph



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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:43:16 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: Team3S: Hood weight.

Anyone recall how much the stock hood weighs?

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:51:34 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hood weight.

54 lbs..... just weighed it

for a 1992 hood (with insulation)

Brad
Check out my home page:  http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682

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[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:43 PM
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Hood weight.

Anyone recall how much the stock hood weighs?

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:04:30 -0700
From: "aa2345" <aa2345@wayne.edu>
Subject: Team3S: RE: CLUTCH PROBLEM

Hello Christian,

I have a 93 Stealth base with a 5sp trans.  I have had a similar problem
with my clutch 2,000 miles ago.  The symptoms were hard shifting into
reverse and 1st.  If I pumped the chutch twice or three times (not
necessarily all the way) before putting it into gear it seemed to help -- it
may have something to do with building the required pressure.  At one point
I had so little pressure in the system that my clutch pedal got stuck at the
bottom without it being engaged.  If that happens, pull the pedal with your
foot or hand.  However that was only a temporary fix (treated the symptom
only).  The cylinder near the clutch pedal was leaking (I think that's the
slave cylinder).  I had both slave and master cylinders changed, and the
problem stopped.  The car has 110K miles, so that you can get an idea of how
long they lasted.  It seems like normal wear and tear to me because the car
saw 2 clutch changes so far (about 55K for each).

Good luck.  There are other people on the list that know more about this
than I do.  This was personal experience, not expertize.  Listen to what the
experts have to say before you start changing the cylinders.

Mike,
93 Red Stealth 5sp
Detroit Metro Area


Get this looked at ASAP because I also had other transmission problems (2000
miles ago), but am not sure if the leaking slave cylinder caused 1st gear,
reverse, and 5th gear to give out on me or the other way around.

Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:05:19 EDT
From: Playenfun@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Hi, i have a problem with the clutch, can anyone please
help?

    Hi My name is Christian, I have a 92 3000GT.  I am having a problem with
the clutch, all of the sudden it had no pressure, and I am having a hard
timing shifting into reverse, and even 1st gear now.  I checked the clutch
fluid and it was pretty empty, I added more, but it still the same.  It
seems
as if the clutch needs to be re-adjusted or something, does anyone have any
ideas? Any tips would be greatly appreciated, thank you.


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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 22:56:43 -0700
From: Errin Humphrey <errin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Team3S: Fuel Pump/Injector Q's

- --A few quick questions regarding instructions
listed in the service manual:

1) Is it really necessary to drain the fuel from
the fuel tank when replacing the fuel pump?

2) Is it really necessary to use the special 3M
sealant when putting the fuel pump cover back on?

3) Is it really necessary to drain the coolant when
replacing the fuel injectors?

4) Is it really necessary to replace the insulators
(small round pieces on the bottom of the injector)
when replacing the fuel injectors?

5) What about the rubber o-rings on the fuel rail?
Is it necessary to replace them?

6) Any special words of caution/advice when
replacing the fuel injectors?

Thanks in advance!!!

- --Errin Humphrey
94 VR4 - 15G
Seattle


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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:19:20 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Fuel Pump/Injector Q's

> --A few quick questions regarding instructions
> listed in the service manual:
>
> 1) Is it really necessary to drain the fuel from
> the fuel tank when replacing the fuel pump?

No.  Just follow good safe practices like not throwing lit matches into the
fuel tank.  Open flame might cause some negative side effects.  Cover up the
hole with a rag to prevent debris from getting in there.  I didn't drain
mine but did change the pump when there was less than an 1/8 of a tank.  Be
careful not to cause sparks either from friction or from electrical -- the
battery will be removed from the car anyway right?

> 2) Is it really necessary to use the special 3M
> sealant when putting the fuel pump cover back on?

I reused the rubber gasket on mine -- sealed well.  If yours is intact when
you disaaemble it shouldbe fine, but they do tend to get brittle over time.
If it is brittle, best to foolow the manual's advice.

> 3) Is it really necessary to drain the coolant when
> replacing the fuel injectors?

It is a good idea to drain it down a bit but I did not completely drain
mine.

> 4) Is it really necessary to replace the insulators
> (small round pieces on the bottom of the injector)
> when replacing the fuel injectors?

Again, if they are brittle and deteriorating, it is a good idea, otherwise
they should be fine.

> 5) What about the rubber o-rings on the fuel rail?
> Is it necessary to replace them?

As above.  I chose to replace mine though.

> 6) Any special words of caution/advice when
> replacing the fuel injectors?

Don't drop any of the little rubber o-rings, the insulators or the clips
into the engine.  Don't drop any of the little rubber o-rings, the
insulators or the clips into the engine.  It does stand repeating ;)  They
do seem to jump out of one's hand.  Freedom is too tempting for them I
guess.

Those little parts for some reason are hard to locate and if they get into
the engine you'll not be a happy camperette.

Check and double check alignment of the fuel rails and apply correct torque
settings as per the manual.  I did find that it was easy to mis-align the
rail and keep all the seals/spacers in place at the same time.  A leaky
injector was the result the first time I did it.  Keep the work area nice
and clean so crud doesn't fall into the injector holes.  Treat the injectors
gently.  The fuel rail bolts look like they would strip easily so be
cautious there and use proper torue.  Said that already.  Guess I'm done.
Have fun!


> Thanks in advance!!!
>
> --Errin Humphrey
> 94 VR4 - 15G
> Seattle



Barry


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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:44:59 +1200
From: "Steve Cooper" <scooper@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Bad ECU?

Hello  from New Zealand, I'm new to the list,just been reading emails for
the last couple of months.Anyway I've got a 93 jap import GTO with a
complete custom exhaust-no cats, air filter and manual bleeder valve and
have a best ET of 12.60  Back to the point -all Mitsi ECUs start to fail at
about 7 years.I am rebuilding about 5 a week at the moment.There are 4
electrolytic capacitors in them that start to leak.these have to be
replaced.If you leave it too long then tracks underneath will be corroded
away and will have to be strapped and in some severe cases repair is not
possible.check for a fishy smell inside.BTW I charge $nz 100 each if they
are brought to me ,thats $us 50 and any competent TV or VCR technician
should be able to do it  if you explain this
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From: Jim Wiseman <jim.wiseman@wcom.com>
To: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 9:28 AM
Subject: Team3S: Bad ECU?


> I've only had my '92 TT back about 2 weeks after having both turbos
replaced
> (oil starvation due to coked up oil feed lines). The car has started
surging
> at highway speed, the turbo boost gauge is dead (doesn't register vacuum
or
> boost at all), the car won't come off idle without stalling until it's
> warmed up, backfires when lifting off gas.  The shop said they diagnosed a
> bad ECU (found a burn mark on it, they said).  Anyway, they're talking
about
> $625 for a rebuilt ECU (12 month/12k warranty) installed.
>
> Does anyone know if this sounds legit? I thought I trusted these guys but
I
> have to wonder if there was anything they could have done while replacing
> the turbos that might have caused this. Also, has anyone had good or bad
> luck with rebuilt ECU's? Has anyone else had an ECU go bad and experience
> these symptoms?  Thanks for the help.
>
> Jim
> A sick '92 TT
>
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:25:16 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Fuel Pump/Injector Q's

> > 3) Is it really necessary to drain the coolant when
> > replacing the fuel injectors?

No absolutely not. There is no need for this :)

Roger
93'3000GT TT



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