team3s              Monday, June 5 2000              Volume 01 : Number 160




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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:13:45 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hi, i have a problem with the clutch, can anyone plea se help?

You have air in the system now...bleed the air out, and all will be fine.

Check for any leaks..the system shouldnt have just gone dry like that.

:-----Original Message-----
:From: Playenfun@aol.com [mailto:Playenfun@aol.com]
:Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 8:05 PM
:To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
:Subject: Team3S: Hi, i have a problem with the clutch, can
:anyone please
:help?
:
:
:    Hi My name is Christian, I have a 92 3000GT.  I am having
:a problem with
:the clutch, all of the sudden it had no pressure, and I am
:having a hard
:timing shifting into reverse, and even 1st gear now.  I
:checked the clutch
:fluid and it was pretty empty, I added more, but it still the
:same.  It seems
:as if the clutch needs to be re-adjusted or something, does
:anyone have any
:ideas? Any tips would be greatly appreciated, thank you.
:
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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 22:28:23 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: RPS Carbon/ceramic disks

I have the 6-carbon-puck metal disc with "turbo clutch" pressure plate,
and now
can say that it sucks.  It slips slips slips on drag launch, and after
being at track twice, making about 5 passes total, it is G O N E.
I am calling RPS Monday, I can't go on like this, one disc after
another slipping.  These R&R's cost $...
Jack T.

Oskar wrote:

> Who is using the RPS carbon/ceramic puck disk?  I'd like to get some
> feedback on this disk.  Allegedly these have been shipped to many 3/S
> customers over the past 4 months.
>
> Oskar
> '95 R/T TT
>
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:42:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: RPS Carbon/ceramic disks

TO heck with this..I think im gonna stay with ACT.

On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, xwing wrote:

> I have the 6-carbon-puck metal disc with "turbo clutch" pressure plate,
> and now
> can say that it sucks.  It slips slips slips on drag launch, and after
> being at track twice, making about 5 passes total, it is G O N E.
> I am calling RPS Monday, I can't go on like this, one disc after
> another slipping.  These R&R's cost $...
> Jack T.
>
> Oskar wrote:
>
> > Who is using the RPS carbon/ceramic puck disk?  I'd like to get some
> > feedback on this disk.  Allegedly these have been shipped to many 3/S
> > customers over the past 4 months.
> >
> > Oskar
> > '95 R/T TT
> >
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>
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:00:58 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: RPS Carbon/ceramic disks

* I ordered my O.S. Giken clutch last Wednesday.

I'm going to consider my clutch problem "solved"

Wonder what Rob will do for me, since I have a nice RPS clutch that is still
in the box.

Brad
Check out my home page:  http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Geoff Mohler
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 10:43 PM
To: xwing
Cc: Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: RPS Carbon/ceramic disks

TO heck with this..I think im gonna stay with ACT.

On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, xwing wrote:

> I have the 6-carbon-puck metal disc with "turbo clutch" pressure plate,
> and now
> can say that it sucks.  It slips slips slips on drag launch, and after
> being at track twice, making about 5 passes total, it is G O N E.
> I am calling RPS Monday, I can't go on like this, one disc after
> another slipping.  These R&R's cost $...
> Jack T.
>
> Oskar wrote:
>
> > Who is using the RPS carbon/ceramic puck disk?  I'd like to get some
> > feedback on this disk.  Allegedly these have been shipped to many 3/S
> > customers over the past 4 months.
> >
> > Oskar
> > '95 R/T TT
> >
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>
>
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:04:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Re: RPS Carbon/ceramic disks

Whats your feeling of that one..over say an ACT?

On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, Brad Bedell wrote:

> * I ordered my O.S. Giken clutch last Wednesday.
>
> I'm going to consider my clutch problem "solved"
>
> Wonder what Rob will do for me, since I have a nice RPS clutch that is still
> in the box.
>
> Brad
> Check out my home page:  http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
> E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> [mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Geoff Mohler
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 10:43 PM
> To: xwing
> Cc: Team3S
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: RPS Carbon/ceramic disks
>
> TO heck with this..I think im gonna stay with ACT.
>
> On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, xwing wrote:
>
> > I have the 6-carbon-puck metal disc with "turbo clutch" pressure plate,
> > and now
> > can say that it sucks.  It slips slips slips on drag launch, and after
> > being at track twice, making about 5 passes total, it is G O N E.
> > I am calling RPS Monday, I can't go on like this, one disc after
> > another slipping.  These R&R's cost $...
> > Jack T.
> >
> > Oskar wrote:
> >
> > > Who is using the RPS carbon/ceramic puck disk?  I'd like to get some
> > > feedback on this disk.  Allegedly these have been shipped to many 3/S
> > > customers over the past 4 months.
> > >
> > > Oskar
> > > '95 R/T TT
> > >
> > > ***Info:  www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm***
> >
> >
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> >
>
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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:25:47 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: RPS Carbon/ceramic disks

Thanks a lot guys --- I'm finally getting ready to install my 'new' clutch and
Mueller lightweight pressure plate. The clutch is of course the now infamous
RPS Turbo Carbon which I bought last year in the AA group buy.  I just
returned it for inspection and I assume they will return the 6 puck version.

The question now is, are the problem clutches failing under 500+ HP or
is the problem more pervasive. I won't have 500 HP until next year and I
use my car for road racing  not  drag racing.

Encouraging comments from anybody ????????   Or am I SOL !!!!

        Jim Berry
=====================================================

> I have the 6-carbon-puck metal disc with "turbo clutch" pressure plate,
> and now
> can say that it sucks.  It slips slips slips on drag launch, and after
> being at track twice, making about 5 passes total, it is G O N E.
> I am calling RPS Monday, I can't go on like this, one disc after
> another slipping.  These R&R's cost $...
> Jack T.
>
>


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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:30:53 EDT
From: Topofwrld1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Hi, i have a problem with the clutch, can anyone please help?

In a message dated 06/04/2000 9:07:05 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
Playenfun@aol.com writes:

<<     Hi My name is Christian, I have a 92 3000GT.  I am having a problem
with
 the clutch, all of the sudden it had no pressure, and I am having a hard
 timing shifting into reverse, and even 1st gear now.  I checked the clutch
 fluid and it was pretty empty, I added more, but it still the same.  It
seems
 as if the clutch needs to be re-adjusted or something, does anyone have any
 ideas? Any tips would be greatly appreciated, thank you >>

If you have clutch fluid on the carpet by the clutch pedal you have a bad
clutch master cylinder.

The clutch slave cylinder is located on top of the transmission area.  You
can see it if you shine a light down into that area from between the battery
and the air cleaner.  Below the resonator bottle if you know where that is
(if you don't have a turbo).  If it is leaking you need to replace the slave
cylinder.  That is surprisingly cheap to do.  I have had to replace both on
my 92.

You can limp to the dealer if you but in some fluid but it will just get
worse if there is a bad cylinder.
Dennis

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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:38:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: RPS Carbon/ceramic disks

Tell us about that pressure plate please?

Im getting a flywheel from them this week..

Cost/clamping force..and can I use it with an ACT disc?

On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, Jim Berry wrote:

> Thanks a lot guys --- I'm finally getting ready to install my 'new' clutch and
> Mueller lightweight pressure plate. The clutch is of course the now infamous
> RPS Turbo Carbon which I bought last year in the AA group buy.  I just
> returned it for inspection and I assume they will return the 6 puck version.
>
> The question now is, are the problem clutches failing under 500+ HP or
> is the problem more pervasive. I won't have 500 HP until next year and I
> use my car for road racing  not  drag racing.
>
> Encouraging comments from anybody ????????   Or am I SOL !!!!
>
>         Jim Berry
> =====================================================
>
> > I have the 6-carbon-puck metal disc with "turbo clutch" pressure plate,
> > and now
> > can say that it sucks.  It slips slips slips on drag launch, and after
> > being at track twice, making about 5 passes total, it is G O N E.
> > I am calling RPS Monday, I can't go on like this, one disc after
> > another slipping.  These R&R's cost $...
> > Jack T.
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:43:08 EDT
From: Topofwrld1@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Weird spark plug wire routing

I noticed the dealer put a 180 degree twist in the set of three rear bank of
spark plug wires and then another 180 degree twist to make them come out
right.  For years I have heard that the wires should not be crossed or that
induced crossfiring can take place.

So I checked a friends 92 turbo and his are lined up parallel like I think
they should be.  Is there a reason for the two 180 degrees twists or is my
mechanic totally neurotic. (It takes extra effort to get them all twisted)  
I straightened them out and it took about 60 seconds. I haven't done a test
drive yet.
Thanks for your replies.
Dennis   92 Stealth R/T

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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 23:45:20 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: RE: RPS clutch

The RPS Turbo Clutch/es work well for roadrace, never a problem for me.
Holds
very well, because you really aren't slipping it like you do on a drag
launch.
The RPS clutches (and all others for me so far) just sometimes slip alot
and can
go bad, when you do high (4000-5000rpm) full throttle launches at
dragstrip, where
clutch must slip for takeoff but then must OVERCOME the slippage and
GRAB as you
let the clutch pedal out further.
Jack T.

Jim Berry wrote:

> I'm installing my new clutch and Mueller lightweight pressure plate.
Clutch is
> RPS Turbo Carbon bought last year in group buy.  I
> returned it for inspection, assume they'll return 6 puck version. I
> use my car for road racing  not  drag.
>
> > I have the RPS 6-carbon-puck metal disc with "turbo clutch" pressure
plate,
> > it sucks.  It slips on drag launch; after
> > being at drags twice, making about 5 passes, it is G O N E.
> > Jack


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Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: RPS clutch

Jack:

We will be road-race, and autox where the launches are still required at
most events.



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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 22:12:04 PDT
From: "marc augellli" <marcsaugelli@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: Freon Question?

Hi,

     I was hoping someone can help me, I have a 94 3000gt sl and i was
wondering if my car takes the r-12 freon or the new r-134 freon?  I was at
pep boys today and i saw the do it your self kits for the r-134 freon has
anybody tried it and also has anybody converted there cars over to r-134? 
Is it an easy job or hard?
Thanks for any help and if possible if you can email me at
marcsaugelli@hotmail.com.
thanks,
marc
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:00:20 EDT
From: Nturavgguy@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Turbos on non turbos?

Does anyone know if they make a supercharger of any kind for the non turbo
early model 3000GT's?  Also anyone ever use an adjustable suspension from
Ground Control?
Jim

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:29:36 -0700
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: RE: RPS clutch

I thought it was determined that RPS had solved all their problems.  I went
out and bought an RPS turbo classic clutch and the Mitsu dealer who put it
in said I would hate the feel of a race clutch.  To my dismay, the clutch
felt no harder to push in than the stock one and except for it being new, I
felt no appreciable difference in clamping force.  If I slip it on a launch,
it slips and never really grabs as long as power is applied.  Thats with the
9Bs pushing all they have.  In all honesty, this clutch is what let me go
from 13.07 to 12.54 at the track, but the stock one wouldn't grab at 3000
RPM (cause it was shot).
     How good is the twin plate Mueller that Dynamic Racing sells?  They
sell it complete with the bearing and aluminum flywheel for $2000.  Will it
be too hard for a daily driver?  Bumper to Bumper on my trips to Manhattan
on the West Side Hwy is leg torture!

Sam 95 VR-4
- -----Original Message-----
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
To: Team3S <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Sunday, June 04, 2000 9:52 PM
Subject: Team3S: RE: RPS clutch


>The RPS Turbo Clutch/es work well for roadrace, never a problem for me.
>Holds
>very well, because you really aren't slipping it like you do on a drag
>launch.
>The RPS clutches (and all others for me so far) just sometimes slip alot
>and can
>go bad, when you do high (4000-5000rpm) full throttle launches at
>dragstrip, where
>clutch must slip for takeoff but then must OVERCOME the slippage and
>GRAB as you
>let the clutch pedal out further.
>Jack T.
>
>Jim Berry wrote:
>
>> I'm installing my new clutch and Mueller lightweight pressure plate.
>Clutch is
>> RPS Turbo Carbon bought last year in group buy.  I
>> returned it for inspection, assume they'll return 6 puck version. I
>> use my car for road racing  not  drag.
>>
>> > I have the RPS 6-carbon-puck metal disc with "turbo clutch" pressure
>plate,
>> > it sucks.  It slips on drag launch; after
>> > being at drags twice, making about 5 passes, it is G O N E.
>> > Jack
>
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:37:28 EDT
From: AABOMB1@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Thanks...

Thanks for your help Joshua and Cody, do you know when they first introduced
6-speeds?



AA

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:09:37 EDT
From: AABOMB1@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: Re: Synthetic Oil

>Hi gang, time for my first oil change. Had a quick question, the previous
>owner always used Mobil1 in the car. I have a busy schedule and plan on
>going
>to a Valvoline Pit Stop tomorrow. They have their own synthetic oil and just
>wanted to make sure it is ok to switch from Mobil1 to Valvoline synthetic.
>Thanks in advance.
>
>
>Bill in NY
>94' VR-4

No, valvoline shouldn't be a problem, although I'd probably use Mobil 1 over
valvoline (I'll explain why in a second), but just make sure that you are
using 10W-30 if you are living in a moderate to high temperature area - if
you happen to be living in an area where it will be very cold then 5W-30
would probably be better - I think there is  temperature chart in the manual
for which oil you should use.

The reason I was saying I would use Mobil 1 is because from all the reports
I've seen, Mobil 1 has a higher viscosity index than valvoline (i.e. it will
resist viscosity change w/temperature better), it has a lower pour point
(better resistance to low temperatures), and also I think it gives off less
sulfate ash which causes engine corrosion. Plus I know that Mobil 1 doesn't
use polymers in their oil, but I'm not sure about valvoline.

Another good oil is by Amsoil; I think Amsoil even has a higher flash point
(point at which oil gives off ignitable vapors) and a higher viscoity index
than Mobil 1; it supposedly even resists molecular break down in high
temperature situations better than Mobil1. But from the feedback I've heard
from so many people I still trust Mobil 1 more any other brand.
Also, if you plan on taking your car to the race track, you might want to
consider using Redline.






AA

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 10:14:25 -0400
From: Brian Geisel <brian.geisel@compaq.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Synthetic Oil

I remember reading in the manual once not to use purely synthetic oils.
Has anyone else read that, or cared :) ?  I know a while ago, people were
mixing STP in with their oil and they were actually throwing pistons and
doing all kinds of nasty things.  It apparently was because it made the oil
too slick.

I really don't have any feelings or thoughts on this myself, as I don't
have a real good feel for precicely how oil affects everything (I know
what it does, I just don't know all the minute details).  Anyone have
thoughts or has anyone had trouble with synthetics?

geis

AABOMB1@aol.com wrote:

> >Hi gang, time for my first oil change. Had a quick question, the previous
> >owner always used Mobil1 in the car. I have a busy schedule and plan on
> >going
> >to a Valvoline Pit Stop tomorrow. They have their own synthetic oil and just
> >wanted to make sure it is ok to switch from Mobil1 to Valvoline synthetic.
> >Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >Bill in NY
> >94' VR-4
>
> No, valvoline shouldn't be a problem, although I'd probably use Mobil 1 over
> valvoline (I'll explain why in a second), but just make sure that you are
> using 10W-30 if you are living in a moderate to high temperature area - if
> you happen to be living in an area where it will be very cold then 5W-30
> would probably be better - I think there is  temperature chart in the manual
> for which oil you should use.
>
> The reason I was saying I would use Mobil 1 is because from all the reports
> I've seen, Mobil 1 has a higher viscosity index than valvoline (i.e. it will
> resist viscosity change w/temperature better), it has a lower pour point
> (better resistance to low temperatures), and also I think it gives off less
> sulfate ash which causes engine corrosion. Plus I know that Mobil 1 doesn't
> use polymers in their oil, but I'm not sure about valvoline.
>
> Another good oil is by Amsoil; I think Amsoil even has a higher flash point
> (point at which oil gives off ignitable vapors) and a higher viscoity index
> than Mobil 1; it supposedly even resists molecular break down in high
> temperature situations better than Mobil1. But from the feedback I've heard
> from so many people I still trust Mobil 1 more any other brand.
> Also, if you plan on taking your car to the race track, you might want to
> consider using Redline.
>
> AA
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:49:22 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Thanks...

1994 model year was the firs year of the 6 forward gear tranny...

- -Cody

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#Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 8:37 AM
#To: Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st
#Subject: Team3S: Thanks...
#
#
#Thanks for your help Joshua and Cody, do you know when they first
#introduced
#6-speeds?
#
#
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#AA
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:51:13 EDT
From: AABOMB1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Synthetic Oil

>I remember reading in the manual once not to use purely synthetic oils.
>Has anyone else read that, or cared :) ?  I know a while ago, people were
>mixing STP in with their oil and they were actually throwing pistons and
>doing all kinds of nasty things.  It apparently was because it made the oil
>too slick.
>
>I really don't have any feelings or thoughts on this myself, as I don't
>have a real good feel for precicely how oil affects everything (I know
>what it does, I just don't know all the minute details).  Anyone have
>thoughts or has anyone had trouble with synthetics?
>
>geis

I believe what this is referring to is not synthetic oil, but oil additives
(such as Motor Up, zMax, etc..). Although I haven't personally tried these,
I've heard feedback about the effects of Motorup and I've been told that it
intially increases performance, but over time it sticks to your engine and
causes big time problems - in fact I think one of my friends pulled an engine
once which was treated with Motor Up and he told me that all the surfaces
inside were 'sticky'. These additives may also cause the problems you were
referring to about the oil being 'too slick'. Plus, if Formula 1 cars can run
at up to18,000 rpm for entire races using regular synthetic oil, then it's
good enough for my car :).


As far as synthetic oils like Mobil 1 are concerned, they do lubriacte
better, but not to the point where it gets 'too slick'. In fact, there are
many reasons why synthetic oils offer better protection than petroleum-based
oils aside from how 'slick' they are. Some reasons why they are so much
better than petroleum-based oils: synthetic oils tend to have stronger films
(i.e. the oil takes longer to break down in high friction areas), also many
synthetic oils don't use polymers while almost all petroleum-based oils often
have to use polymers to maintain their viscosity throughout various
temperatures. Also they tend not to oxidize at high temperatures and they are
more pure - so they leave behind less junk in your engine (espeically sulfate
ash). And synthetic oils generally take longer to molecularly break down and
also tend to keep more stable viscosity levels.

As far as older passenger cars are concerned, I would probably stick with
petroleum-based oil even though synthetic oils have so many advantages. The
reason I say this is because old cars were made for petroleum-based oil and
your safest bet is to always use something you know is proven to work. But
when we start talking about new sports cars like the 3000GT/Stealth I would
use nothing but synthetics. The only thing I would be suspicious of is
additives; as a general rule, you should always be suspicious of additives
and always do research before you use any new additive.

Anyway, I've talked long enough, hope that helps.


AA

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:54:48 EDT
From: AABOMB1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Synthetic Oil

Oh and one other thing I forgot to mention, as far as motor oil is concerned,
one very important thing to know is that you should always look in your
manual and see what rating they recommend for the oil. There is always a
rating above the "SAE" certification that consists of two letters (such as SG
or SJ) and whenever you buy motor oil, the rating of your motor oil should be
the same as or higher than than what is recommened in your manual. In other
words, if you manual recommends SG it is ok to use higher letter such as SJ
and SH, but it is NOT ok to use oils with lower rating like SA and SC.



AA

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:59:57 EDT
From: AABOMB1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Thanks...

In a message dated 6/5/2000 10:58:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
overclck@flash.net writes:

> 1994 model year was the firs year of the 6 forward gear tranny...

>  -Cody

I see, thanks again for your help.



AA

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 11:01:26 -0400
From: "John T. Christian" <jczoom@iname.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 94 brakes on a 92?

Hi Chris & Mark,


The answer is yes.  And the results are better, but still not
satisfactory if you do road racing.
  However the most expensive component will be the '94+ wheels.  The
other '94 components dust shields, rotors & calipers will bolt right on.

You didn't say why you were considering the '94 system.  If you
intend to do road racing (high performance driving schools), I'd
strongly suggest the BIG RED Porsche system from Brad Beddell.  The cost
is similar to the '94 upgrade.   AND you'll be able to stop repeatedly
without having to change pads after one or two sessions.

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/4538/secrets.html
Try that URL to see the Porsche brakes.

AND the Porsche BIG RED calipers will LOOK REALLY neat peering out thru
your new wheels.


Be of good cheer
John   with the blown head gasket.



[snip]
Chris Maxwell wrote:
>
> the brakes from a 94+ turbo, is it a direct replacement or do i
need to switch some other things?


[snip]
Mark wrote:
>
> Incidentally has anyone done this?  rotors, calipers, and dust shields
> a second gen can be had for about 400-500 bux and I have been thinking
> about it as a small brake upgrade to my '93 but wondered if anyone has
> already done this mod and could comment on the results.
>
> Mark
> '93 R/T TT
>
> At 09:35 PM 6/3/00 -0500, Brad Bedell wrote:
> >With consideration of the Rotors, calipers, dust shields, and wheels it is a
> >direct replacement.
> >
> >You will need to upgrade the wheels and either replace or cut the dust
> >shields to make them fit your 92.
> >
> >
> >Brad
> >Check out my home page:  http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
> >E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682
> >
>

- --
JCZoooM  93 TT 12.46@109Mph   Now with Porsche brakes & Supra rotors
Email---> JCZooM@iname.com 
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/flats/4538

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:22:05 -0700
From: "Jim Berry" <fastmax@home.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: RPS Carbon/ceramic disks

Sorry about that --- I lied about the lightweight pressure plate, I meant to
say lightweight flywheel !!!!!
The following link to Muellers web site does show a billet pressure plate though.

http://www.muellerfabricators.com/Redhead.htm


          Jim Berry
================================================
> Tell us about that pressure plate please?
>
> Im getting a flywheel from them this week..
>
> Cost/clamping force..and can I use it with an ACT disc?
>
> On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, Jim Berry wrote:
>
> > Thanks a lot guys --- I'm finally getting ready to install my 'new' clutch and
> > Mueller lightweight pressure plate. The clutch is of course the now infamous
> > RPS Turbo Carbon which I bought last year in the AA group buy.  I just
> > returned it for inspection and I assume they will return the 6 puck version.
> >
> > The question now is, are the problem clutches failing under 500+ HP or
> > is the problem more pervasive. I won't have 500 HP until next year and I
> > use my car for road racing  not  drag racing.
> >
> > Encouraging comments from anybody ????????   Or am I SOL !!!!
> >
> >         Jim Berry
> > =====================================================
> >
> > > I have the 6-carbon-puck metal disc with "turbo clutch" pressure plate,
> > > and now
> > > can say that it sucks.  It slips slips slips on drag launch, and after
> > > being at track twice, making about 5 passes total, it is G O N E.
> > > I am calling RPS Monday, I can't go on like this, one disc after
> > > another slipping.  These R&R's cost $...
> > > Jack T.
> > >
> > >
> >
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 10:43:17 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 94 brakes on a 92?

>You didn't say why you were considering the '94 system.  If you
>intend to do road racing (high performance driving schools), I'd
>strongly suggest the BIG RED Porsche system from Brad Beddell.  The cost
>is similar to the '94 upgrade.   AND you'll be able to stop repeatedly
>without having to change pads after one or two sessions.
>
I second John's remarks. By the time you get done farting around with
changing all the stock parts, you might as well just go for the Big Reds.
Brad will sell you a conversion kit that includes calipers, brackets, nuts
and bolts, SS lines and pads. All you gotta do is add 94+ wheels to clear
the front calipers and stock 94 front  rotors and you are in business. You
could probably leave the rear brakes alone, since they don't do any work
anyway. If you are not going racing with these brakes, you can save some
money by using stock Porsche Turbo pads instead of the $200 Pagid pads.
Talk to Brad about it. He's da brake man!

Rich/old poop/94 VR4/wif Big Reds

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:11:53 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: 94 brakes on a 92?

Actually, the Porsche brakes will clear the stock 91-93 Mitsubishi wheels.
You can just fit a business card between the wheel and caliper though.   Not
sure what would happen if a wheel was slightly bent, or the wheel weights
were placed in the wrong position :-D.    Dave Skultety (sp?) had the 17" 93
Mitsubishi wheels and had no clearance problems when the wheel flexed in a
corner.

I remember testing the Stealth wheels and they not fitting.
(I'd like to check again if someone has a stealth in the Austin Area)



Brad
Check out my home page:  http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682

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From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Merritt
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:43 AM
To: jczoom@iname.com; Mark
Cc: team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: 94 brakes on a 92?

>You didn't say why you were considering the '94 system.  If you
>intend to do road racing (high performance driving schools), I'd
>strongly suggest the BIG RED Porsche system from Brad Beddell.  The cost
>is similar to the '94 upgrade.   AND you'll be able to stop repeatedly
>without having to change pads after one or two sessions.
>
I second John's remarks. By the time you get done farting around with
changing all the stock parts, you might as well just go for the Big Reds.
Brad will sell you a conversion kit that includes calipers, brackets, nuts
and bolts, SS lines and pads. All you gotta do is add 94+ wheels to clear
the front calipers and stock 94 front  rotors and you are in business. You
could probably leave the rear brakes alone, since they don't do any work
anyway. If you are not going racing with these brakes, you can save some
money by using stock Porsche Turbo pads instead of the $200 Pagid pads.
Talk to Brad about it. He's da brake man!

Rich/old poop/94 VR4/wif Big Reds

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