team3s             Thursday, May 25 2000             Volume 01 : Number 147




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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:05:34 +0100
From: Gordon Tyrrell <gordon.tyrrell@openet-int.com>
Subject: Team3S: Sudden but brief drop in power in each gear

I just imported a 1993 VR4 model from Japan last week and have a couple
of potential problems I would like some advice on before I send it away
to the car hospital.

Problem 1: When I accelerate hard in any gear the boost builds in nicely
and then at 4,500rpm (or thereabouts) there is a sudden and complete
loss of power for a fraction of a second as if I've let off the throttle
and then slammed it back on again. It happens in all gears but is most
noticable in first.

The car is off for a full service and timing belt next week which is
just a precaution I do on all second hand cars I buy. Any suggestions on
the possible problem would be great. It seemed to work in over the
course of the first 4 days I had the car. Also, for information I'm
using 95 octane unleaded. I know the Japanese stuff runs on
98-100octane. Don't think it should cause the problem though.

Problem 2: If I engage first and am any way sloppy releasing the clutch
there is a clunk from the centre of the car. I'm assuming this is simply
driveline slop worked in from the age of the car but just wanted to be
sure there was nothing common with these cars that could cause this.

Any information and help here will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance
Gordon
Dublin, Ireland

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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:09:16 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Normal Fuel Pressure...

> What's the normal fuel pressure range on the TT's at 15 psi of boost?

43.5psi + 15psi (boost)

Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:08:51 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Sudden but brief drop in power in each gear

Gordon Tyrrell wrote:

> I  imported 1993 VR4 model from Japan
> Problem 1: accelerate hard in any gear boost builds
> then 4,500rpm is sudden complete
> loss of power for fraction of second as if let off throttle
> then slammed it back on again.

Sounds like Fuelcut, whenn computer detects too much mass of air flowing and
shuts off fuel for fraction of second to protect engine from "making too
much horsepower" for stock injectors etc.  Need to lower boost a pound at a
time until it stops.  Will happen more/with lower boost in cold dense air
weather than in hot weather.

> full service/timing belt next week; Any suggestions on possible problem?
> using 95 octane unleaded

If due for 60,000 mile service, change the waterpump, timing belt tensioner
pulleys etc that the timing belt runs on.

> Problem 2: engage first with sloppy releasing clutch causes
> clunk from centre of car. I assume is
> driveline slop worked in from the age of the car

Pretty much.  There are 3 driveshafts going back, and in good shape they
should be very tight in that rotating one, they all rotate instantly.  The
rearend gears have a little play before you get resistance, this is normal.
Same for forward to xfer case and transaxle.

> Gordon
> Dublin, Ireland

How is Ireland?  Congrats on the cool car!
Jack Tertadian



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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 06:25:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Spark Plug Q's

1) I am interested in this also, but I may just try copper for a
while.

2) Luis Haddock has a neat write-up at
http://www.dsm.org/archives/1996/02/19960226.txt/8.html
This and some other links are on the technical page at my web site.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
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The New 3/S Backup CD Homepage --> http://www.manualcd.com/

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From: "Errin Humphrey" <errin@u.washington.edu>
To: "Starnet" <stealth@starnet.net>; "Team3S"
<Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:01 PM
Subject: Team3S: Spark Plug Q's

1) Has anyone tried the new Denso Iridium spark plugs?
They are advertised to be far superior to platinum.

2) Could someone give me a quick explanation of how
to choose a spark plug heat rating?  The Densos are
offered in 7,8, or 9, and I'd like to get a rough idea of
the advantages/drawbacks of a hotter plug.

Thanks in advance!

- --Errin Humphrey
Seattle

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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:19:51 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: Spark Plug Q's

Yes, I have.  They work well, but are not invincible; I got a load of
BAAAD race gas, car ran like crap...and though the iridium electrodes
were fine  :)  the ceramic part of a couple cracked due to detonation.
Swapped out with new, good gas (even just 93 octane at boost so high I
am ashamed to mention doing it on 93 octane), no problems!   I have one
or  two sets of them for sale at pre-giant-HKS-price-increase cost,
actually; if they last like my older HKS F40 plugs, I can keep running
one set a LOOOONG time...even with nitrous.  I use heat range 8 (old HKS
F40, new S40i) with or without nitrous, never melted a plug, no
problems, last a long time, so I don't mind spending the extra money.

Jack Tertadian

Errin Humphrey wrote:

> 1) Has anyone tried the new Denso Iridium spark plugs?
> They are advertised to be far superior to platinum.
> 2) Could someone give me a quick explanation of how
> to choose a spark plug heat rating?  The Densos are
> offered in 7,8, or 9, and I'd like to get a rough idea of
> the advantages/drawbacks of a hotter plug.


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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Normal Fuel Pressure...

My FP gauge supports this. At 10 psi boost it reads about 53 psi.

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
To: "Trevor James" <trevor@kscable.com>
Cc: <Team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: Team3S: Normal Fuel Pressure...

> What's the normal fuel pressure range on the TT's at 15 psi of
boost?

43.5psi + 15psi (boost)

Roger
93'3000GT TT


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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:57:02 EDT
From: Screemo@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: TAPPING NORMAL?????

Hi gang, I just picked my car up yesterday and drove it home on a 5 1/2 hour
trip. The car ran fine the entire way home, but when I got to my destination
and let the car idle to cool down the turbo's I heard a considerable
taptaptaptap coming from the engine. I haven't heard the VR-4 engine before
so I don't know if this is normal, it reminded me of a Honda engine. The car
has 50,000 miles and a new tranny on it. The noise is undetectable from
inside the car. Just wanted to know if this was normal in this kind of car.
Thanks.



Bill in NY

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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:12:22 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: TAPPING NORMAL?????

> The car ran fine the entire way home, but when I
> ... let the car idle to cool down the turbo's I heard a considerable
> taptaptaptap coming from the engine.
> The noise is undetectable from inside the car.

So does it sound like a lash adjuster tapping?  If so, this is a common
problem.  If you've never heard it before, it's repetitive, is proportional
to the RPM of the engine, and will emanate from the valve covers.  It sounds
like that's what you're hearing, unless you're being *really* picky and
hearing the noise from the fuel injectors:)  The method the service manual
gives to quiet the lash adjusters is to slowly raise the engine RPM from
idle to 3000RPM and back down over a 30 second period.  You can repeat
several times, but it's always gone by the 1st time.  If it gets frequent
and loud enough to be annoying, there are several things you can try to get
rid of it, and everybody has their "magic" solution ;)  I cleaned everything
out with some injector/valve cleaner, Marvel Mystery Oil, and some other
stuff last summer (it was loud enough to be embarrassing) and I've almost
never heard it again <fingers crossed>.  I can elaborate on what I used to
get rid of the ticking if you like.

HTH
- --Erik

- ------                                             ----------
Erik Gross                                         DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT (NA, DOHC, 5-speed)          70,000 mi
   Firestone Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
   Magnacor KV85 spark plug wires, NGK plugs @ 0.040"
   K&N FIPK (57-1500), resonator bye-bye
   Mobil 1 10W30 Synthetic w/ OEM oil filter
   *** No more ticking lash adjusters(since 07/99)! ***
'94 Algae Blue "Ain't No 3000" Corolla (DOHC, Auto)  66,000mi
    Cheapo 185/14 "gonna slide off the road" tires (must fix)
    Battery:1, Erik:0
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:29:53 -0400
From: Brian Geisel <brian.geisel@compaq.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TAPPING NORMAL?????

Erik,
    Would you please (elaborate)?  My car does that a lot and it can be heard
from within the cockpit usually.  It does get to that embarrassing level,
especially when you're at a fast food joint and you get the echo of the
brick walls :)

TIA,
Brian



"Gross, Erik" wrote:

> > The car ran fine the entire way home, but when I
> > ... let the car idle to cool down the turbo's I heard a considerable
> > taptaptaptap coming from the engine.
> > The noise is undetectable from inside the car.
>
> So does it sound like a lash adjuster tapping?  If so, this is a common
> problem.  If you've never heard it before, it's repetitive, is proportional
> to the RPM of the engine, and will emanate from the valve covers.  It sounds
> like that's what you're hearing, unless you're being *really* picky and
> hearing the noise from the fuel injectors:)  The method the service manual
> gives to quiet the lash adjusters is to slowly raise the engine RPM from
> idle to 3000RPM and back down over a 30 second period.  You can repeat
> several times, but it's always gone by the 1st time.  If it gets frequent
> and loud enough to be annoying, there are several things you can try to get
> rid of it, and everybody has their "magic" solution ;)  I cleaned everything
> out with some injector/valve cleaner, Marvel Mystery Oil, and some other
> stuff last summer (it was loud enough to be embarrassing) and I've almost
> never heard it again <fingers crossed>.  I can elaborate on what I used to
> get rid of the ticking if you like.
>
> HTH
> --Erik
>
> ------                                             ----------
> Erik Gross                                         DuPont, WA
> '95 Pearl White 3000GT (NA, DOHC, 5-speed)          70,000 mi
>    Firestone Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
>    Magnacor KV85 spark plug wires, NGK plugs @ 0.040"
>    K&N FIPK (57-1500), resonator bye-bye
>    Mobil 1 10W30 Synthetic w/ OEM oil filter
>    *** No more ticking lash adjusters(since 07/99)! ***
> '94 Algae Blue "Ain't No 3000" Corolla (DOHC, Auto)  66,000mi
>     Cheapo 185/14 "gonna slide off the road" tires (must fix)
>     Battery:1, Erik:0
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:58:02 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: TAPPING NORMAL?????

>     Would you please (elaborate)?  My car does that a lot and
> it can be heard from within the cockpit usually.  It does get to that
> embarrassing level, especially when you're at a fast food joint
> and you get the echo of the brick walls :)
>
> TIA,
> Brian

Sure, no problem:)  I don't claim to be the authority on this issue, but I
seem to have fixed the problem in my car, so I guess that's worth
something...  As I've said, I don't know exactly which thing I did fixed the
problem, but I know all together, they fixed it...for now anyway:) Here's an
excerpt from my post on this list from last October:

- ------
Here's what I did:

1) Arty's cleaning method (MMO)
- nothing changed right away
2) BG 44K Fuel Injector cleaner
- nothing changed right away
3) GM EOS(1pt/change) and a fresh oil/filter change
- intermittent afterwards
4) Fresh oil (not filter) change
- gone

MMO is Marvel Mystery Oil (not to be confused with snake oil:)
BG 44K is a fuel injector cleaner that I got at my dealer.
GM EOS is General Motors Engine Oil Supplement (Mitsu or GM dealer)

Arty's Cleaning Method:
> From: Aso8@aol.com [mailto:Aso8@aol.com]
1. Drain off and replace one quart of oil with Marvel
Mystery Oil.... Don't change Factory filter.
2. Drive it for 1000 miles. Not hard runs. Get the revs up
to about 3000 to 4500rpms but don't kill it. Just work
the stuff in. Vary the revs.
3. Change oil and filter after 1000 miles as follows: Mobil One
Extreme 0W-30 and a new Factory filter. Ticking sound
should be gone with this change but, Your Not Done Yet
...Drive for another 500 miles with this oil change.
Revs the same way.
4. Now after that 500 miles. Change the Oil and Filter again
to the normal Mobil One 10W-30 and a new factory filter.
In really cold weather you can use 5W-30 too.
> End of Arty's post

I started Arty's MMO method in June, when ticking was regular, loud,
and annoying.  I hated going though drive thrus!  I completed the 4 steps
above in July.  It's October now, and I have had NO lash adjuster ticking
when the engine is warm. 
The only times I've heard ticking (other than the normal fuel
injector ticking) are occasionally when I first start it up after it sat for
a while.  Evidently this is semi-normal, and the FSM even mentions it.  As
soon as I blip the revs above idle (2000 RPM or so), it goes away for good.
I can probably count on one hand the number of times this has occurred since
July.
<...>
Also, one theory as to the lash adjuster ticking:  now that I think
about it, the more frequent ticking began soon after I accidentally let the
car go almost 5000miles without changing the oil (I know, I know, bad Erik).
Anyway, I'm thinking that maybe some dirt or other crap in the dirty oil
made its way into the lash adjusters and partially clogged the oil
entrance/exit.  This would make the ticking intermittent, and loud when the
lash adjusters got clogged (they don't work if they're oil-starved, right?)
Perhaps it took a while to get all the junk out of them and now that I'm
making sure my oil is pretty darned clean it hasn't come back....   well, my
thoughts anyway.
- -----------------------------

I've changed the oil/filter every 2-3k miles since last summer and things
seem to be ok.

- --Erik

- ------                                             ----------
Erik Gross                                         DuPont, WA
'95 Pearl White 3000GT (NA, DOHC, 5-speed)          70,000 mi
   Firestone Firehawk 245/50/ZR16 tires, stock wheels
   Magnacor KV85 spark plug wires, NGK plugs @ 0.040"
   K&N FIPK (57-1500), resonator bye-bye
   Mobil 1 10W30 Synthetic w/ OEM oil filter
   *** No more ticking lash adjusters(since 07/99)! ***
'94 Algae Blue "Ain't No 3000" Corolla (DOHC, Auto)  66,000mi
    Cheapo 185/14 "gonna slide off the road" tires (must fix)
    Battery:1, Erik:0
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:05:45 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: TAPPING NORMAL?????

> Arty's Cleaning Method:
> From: Aso8@aol.com [mailto:Aso8@aol.com]
> 1. Drain off and replace one quart of oil with Marvel
> Mystery Oil.... Don't change Factory filter.
> 2. Drive it for 1000 miles. Not hard runs. Get the revs up
> to about 3000 to 4500rpms but don't kill it. Just work
> the stuff in. Vary the revs.
> 3. Change oil and filter after 1000 miles as follows: Mobil One
> Extreme 0W-30 and a new Factory filter. Ticking sound
> should be gone with this change but, Your Not Done Yet
> ...Drive for another 500 miles with this oil change.
> Revs the same way.
> 4. Now after that 500 miles. Change the Oil and Filter again
> to the normal Mobil One 10W-30 and a new factory filter.
> In really cold weather you can use 5W-30 too.

Mine made the noise up to about 2000 RPM and then would go away, but any time idling it would come back.  I changed the oil filter and replace the oil with Mobil-1 synthetic 0W30 oil and drove it about 600 miles (mostly city/highway combination driving).  It never ticked with the 0W30 in.  I switched back to 10W30 Mobil One synthetic and a new Mitsu filter after that and the tapping has luckily never come back.

On my previous Eclipse GSX, I used Seafoam (similar to Marvel Mystery Oil), poured in through the valve cover and drove for 30 miles and changed the oil/filter and that worked well also.

Seems like lighter oil or "solvents" push through the sludge out of the hydraulic lifters, fixing the root problem - which is that the oil supply into the lifters gets hindered, so they tap.

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:58:48 -0400
From: "Scotty" <omnitech@fast.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: TAPPING NORMAL?????

I changed my oil with Quakerstate 10W30 Synthetic, and a Fram Extra Guard
Filter, and it took the taping away right away.

Scotty
92 RT TT
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From: "Matt Jannusch" <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
To: "'Team3S List'" <team3S@stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: Team3S: TAPPING NORMAL?????


> > Arty's Cleaning Method:
> > From: Aso8@aol.com [mailto:Aso8@aol.com]
> > 1. Drain off and replace one quart of oil with Marvel
> > Mystery Oil.... Don't change Factory filter.
> > 2. Drive it for 1000 miles. Not hard runs. Get the revs up
> > to about 3000 to 4500rpms but don't kill it. Just work
> > the stuff in. Vary the revs.
> > 3. Change oil and filter after 1000 miles as follows: Mobil One
> > Extreme 0W-30 and a new Factory filter. Ticking sound
> > should be gone with this change but, Your Not Done Yet
> > ...Drive for another 500 miles with this oil change.
> > Revs the same way.
> > 4. Now after that 500 miles. Change the Oil and Filter again
> > to the normal Mobil One 10W-30 and a new factory filter.
> > In really cold weather you can use 5W-30 too.
>
> Mine made the noise up to about 2000 RPM and then would go away, but any
time idling it would come back.  I changed the oil filter and replace the
oil with Mobil-1 synthetic 0W30 oil and drove it about 600 miles (mostly
city/highway combination driving).  It never ticked with the 0W30 in.  I
switched back to 10W30 Mobil One synthetic and a new Mitsu filter after that
and the tapping has luckily never come back.
>
> On my previous Eclipse GSX, I used Seafoam (similar to Marvel Mystery
Oil), poured in through the valve cover and drove for 30 miles and changed
the oil/filter and that worked well also.
>
> Seems like lighter oil or "solvents" push through the sludge out of the
hydraulic lifters, fixing the root problem - which is that the oil supply
into the lifters gets hindered, so they tap.
>
> -Matt
> '95 3000GT Spyder VR4
>
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:17:53 EDT
From: Screemo@aol.com
Subject: Team3S: "THUD!!"

Thanks for the replies to the "tapping" question I had, you guys are fast. I
have one more for ya, after the long trip yesterday I was parallel parking
and when in reverse I could have sworn I heard a "thud". So I then pulled
forward, put it in reverse again and towards the end of letting the clutch
out I heard the "thud" again. That's when the tapping was also the loudest.
Has anyone ever experienced this? I fooled around with it today and it didn't
happen. I was really listening good and thought I might have heard it
slightly but not nearly as loud as last night. Well, thanks in advance for
everyone's advice. By the way, I'M HOOKED ON THE VR-4!! My girlfriend is
really getting jealous, I love it!!


Bill in NY
94' Pear White 3000gt VR-4

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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:08:03 -0400
From: Jason Barnhart <phnxgld@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Crankcase filters

    Cool, I got them installed.  I went ahead and put one on each head.  I wasn't able to
put the filter directly onto the nipple from the rear head as part of the fuel rail is still
in the way.  For now I'm using the hose that ran to the intake.  I'll by an elbow or just
use part of that hose shortly.  I'm using a small bit of hose on the front head as the
filter wouldn't slide all the way down onto that nipple either.  I've capped off the intake
side and the rear crankcase nipple used to connect the two heads.  I had purchased 2 filters
and figured 'more must be better, right?'.  It hadn't dawned on me that if each crankcase
had a filter then they wouldn't need to be connected, or that since they were connected then
I could use just one...
    I'm glad someone not only had done this but knew the purpose.  It's very common on other
cars, turbo or not.  It vents small amounts of oil into the intake after the MAS.  This oil
accumulates in the intercoolers reducing their efficiency, and I would think that it could
effectively lower your octane rating if it made it all the way into the cylinders.  I've
heard that the vacuum in the crankcase (with the factory setup) can be beneficial, but most
people consider it more beneficial to keep oil out of the intake.  I believe the ideal
situation is to install a filter between the crankcase and the intake so you get the vacuum
and the lack of oil.   Btw, it's not emissions legal although the only oil I've found is the
K&N lubricant (is this even needed for crankcase filters?) and they do check for these
during inspections here in Virginia.
    I haven't driven much, but I've made some spirited runs and induced high vacuum by
engine braking and I haven't noticed anywhere near as much oil smoke from the exhaust.  I
have been trying to stay out of high vacuum situations as my car seems to be burning oil
afterwards.  This even happens after extended idling.  It was getting pretty bad, to the
point that even moderate engine braking would cause smoke.  Today I went out at lunch time
and engine braked from about 70-80 down to 20 a couple times and only the last time did I
notice what looked to be a cloud of smoke.  This will take further testing, but I find it
hard to believe that this could have cured that particular problem.  How much vacuum could
there possibly be just after the MAS, even while engine braking?

Thanks again,
Jason


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:50:12 +0200
From: "R.G." <robby@freesurf.ch>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Crankcase filters

>     Cool, I got them installed.  I went ahead and put one on each head.  I
wasn't able to
> put the filter directly onto the nipple from the rear head as part of the
fuel rail is still
> in the way.  For now I'm using the hose that ran to the intake.

Due to the little vacuum effect on the inlet part after the MAS as well as
the pressurised port that leads to the covers, circulation of the air is
possible. With such a setup there is no circulation anymore and the
ventilation of the crankcase is not provided anymore !

> It vents small amounts of oil into the intake after the MAS.  This oil
> accumulates in the intercoolers reducing their efficiency, and I would
think that it could
> effectively lower your octane rating if it made it all the way into the
cylinders.

Yes, this is absolutely right !

> I believe the ideal situation is to install a filter between the crankcase
and the intake
> so you get the vacuum and the lack of oil.

The best is to use something called oil absorber or better an oil catch can.
Cusco makes a very good part (but too expensive). Just route the pipe that
leads to the intake into the can and the outlet back to the inlet trakt. The
oil is now catched in the can and doesn't clogg up any filters.

> Btw, it's not emissions legal

With this solution, it is. BTW, on larger trucks this is a normal thing.

I do have a simple oil catch can I got from a cart.shop. It is a little long
but I was able to shorten it and will install it with my new setup soon. I
just wish we'd have more room in our cars !

Roger
93'3000GT TT



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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:59:48 -0700
From: Bruce =?iso-8859-1?Q?Body=AE?= <bbody@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Team3S: 1g Eclipse BOV

I bought mine from Buschur Racing. It came with an adapter. The only
problem I had was to twist it slightly (forgot which way) when
tightening to clear my 6 speed linkage. I think they sell just the
adapter as I also believe Brian at GTPro does.

Bruce
3Si #0243

Mike Baldwin wrote:
>
> Just wondering if anyone on this list has installed a 1G Eclipse BOV on
> their Eclipse.
>
> I'm having problems since the stock BOV ends with a 90 degree bend and the
> 1g bov is straight. If I try bending the tube that hooks up to the BOV it
> crimps it way to much so that's not a solution.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> My mods so far have only been a K&N FIPK so recommendations would be
> appreciated.
>
> Michael
>
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:42:01 -0700
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Installing new engine, should I lube it?

I just bought a new engine from M&S and it came fairly "dry."  The engine
doesn't have any signs of oil in it and the cylinder walls don't seem to be
slick.  I was wondering if I should spray some kind of lube on the engine
parts before I install the engine and start it up.  Are the rod bearings
going to be ok if they weren't lubed before hand?  Did the factory lube it
enough and I just don't see it?  This is my first engine replacement so I'm
a little ignorant.  What does priming the engine with oil do and how do I do
it?

Thanks again,
Chris Maxwell
92 R/T Twin Turbo


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 02:16:01 -0500
From: Matt Jannusch <MAJ@BigCharts.com>
Subject: Team3S: 1G DSM BOV

...I finally got mine installed tonight.

My car has the 6-speed tranny, and the kit I got from Extreme Motorsports fit pretty well without hitting the shifter linkages.  Essentially, it is just a mating flange with a short 1" piece of metal pipe welded onto it.  They supplied a gasket in between the BOV and the adaptor, however they didn't use any gasket sealant, so if I just blew in the end of the adaptor some air could leak through the gasket.  Not good.

I put sealant on it, let that dry overnight and I was unable to get any leakage from blowing hard into the valve so that seemed to solve that little problem.  Upon taking out my stock BOV, I also blew air into that one and it leaked a good amount as well - not a good sign for the stock valve.

The hookup was simple, just whack the BOV/adaptor in place of the stock one, rotating it as much as possible away from the shifter linkages while still keeping the rubber hose from the Y-pipe straight.  Fitting the y-pipe hose on was very tight, but it did go on with some prodding.  My stock BOV signal line was long enough to fit, with it routed over the top of the MAS, down to the BOV.  The output from the valve hooked into the intake pipe with no problems.

During the test drive after installation I noticed less turbo "air noise" during acceleration and shorter times to reach full boost.  Apparantly my stock valve must've been leaking pretty well (if it leaks from just blowing in it (2-3 psi?), imagine how much it leaks at 15-19 psi!).  The car accelerates quite a bit better in the midrange and the turbos don't seem to be working as hard.  My HKS EVC IV is spiking a little bit more than before (making me think that verifies that the turbos are spooling quicker - or rather that all the air from the turbos is now making its way into the throttle body), but I'm guessing that the spike should go away if I re-run the learning mode to make the EVC more aggressive at adjusting boost.

The 91-93 cars seem to have a slightly different factory BOV from what I've seen, so there may be some problems getting it to fit in there.  I suspect it will work/fit, but you might have to get creative with hooking up the Y-pipe hose or something, as I think the 1G 3/S valve enters straight in through the bottom of the valve, where on the 94-99 3/S the valve enters and exits from the side at a 90 degree angle to each other.  I don't have a convenient 91-93 to look at, so I'm kind of guessing here.

Here's a link to the page on Extreme's site:

http://www.extrememotorsports.com/g2cat/icpipe.htm

Part EXM-0207 - $129.00.  There's a clickable picture of it on that page if you want to see what it looks like.

I'm thinking anyone's conversion kit should work if it fits a 2G DSM, however this one fits fine and Curt Gendron is using Buschur Racing's kit with no problems.  Most of the DSM vendors carry this sort of thing.

Better performance than the stock valve, and none of the side-effects of the aftermarket valves that vent into the air.  So there ya go...

- -Matt
'95 3000GT Spyder VR4

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:38:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Lucius <stealthman92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Installing new engine, should I lube it?

Hi Chris,

You might want to invest a few $ in some rebuild manuals. I found the
ones below to be helpful.

Tom Monroe, 1996, Engine Builder's Handbook: HPBooks, 169 p.
Rick Voegelin, 1990, Engine Blueprinting: S-A Design Books, 126 p.
Ben Watson, 1997, Pro Engine Blueprinting: Motorbooks International,
144 p.

Yes, you MUST pre-lube the engine (pressurized lubrication would be
very good right before startup). Particularly the rod and main
bearings. Even if you have lubed the bearings, drop the pan and take
a look at them after you've fired her up for the first time. Don't be
in hurry :)

Good luck,

Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
  --> http://www.3si.org/member-home/jlucius/
The new 3/S Backup CD Homepage
  --> http://www.manualcd.com/

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
To: <team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:42 PM
Subject: Team3S: Installing new engine, should I lube it?

I just bought a new engine from M&S and it came fairly "dry."  The
engine doesn't have any signs of oil in it and the cylinder walls
don't seem to be slick.  I was wondering if I should spray some kind
of lube on the engine parts before I install the engine and start it
up.  Are the rod bearings going to be ok if they weren't lubed before
hand?  Did the factory lube it enough and I just don't see it?  This
is my first engine replacement so I'm a little ignorant.  What does
priming the engine with oil do and how do I do it?

Thanks again,
Chris Maxwell
92 R/T Twin Turbo

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