team3s              Friday, May 19 2000              Volume 01 : Number 142




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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:58:52 -0400
From: Danno <palermod@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Team3S: WANTED: Used Yokos

I'm looking for a pair of used Yokos, 245-18 inch.  Don't need tons of
tread, but would like >5000 miles left.

E-mail me privately if you've got a pair (or a set of 4) you're looking
to get rid of at a reasonable price.

Thanks.

- - Dan
'95 Black VR4


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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:03:35 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

Who has em:
Curt's post the other day about CarParts sale of the Borla exhaust also lists
the Addco anti-sway bars for under $150.

Lean Angle:
I have Eibach Pro springs on my '91 VR4.  I have a picture of my car directly
head-on while I'm hard in a corner at a driver's school.  With the Eibach
springs and the sport suspension on sport, the car was still leaning a fair
amount.  (This is when I measured a maximum instantaneous G-force of .97 using
my G-Tech Pro)

Experiences (minor ;)):
While replacing the anti-sway bar bushings, I figured that the front bar
replacement wouldn't be too difficult.  However, the back bar on a VR4 would be
terribly difficult and probably require dropping the whole rear end.

Understeer/Oversteer:
A stiffer front bar will increase understeer IF the bar is too stiiff and causes
the inside wheel to lift in a corner.  However if it is not too stiff, it could
decrease understeer by keeping the car flatter in a turn and keeping the tire's
contact patch more parallel to the track.  $150 is a pretty cheap gamble to test
it out.

Jeff Lucius wrote:
>
> Hi Geoff,
>
> I asked the same question a while back (3/20) -- repeated below
> -- with no replies.
>
> Does anyone have any experience or opinions concerning the Addco
> anti-sway bars on our cars? Addco front bar is 1" (stock bar is
> 0.91"), for what I calculate as a 54% increase in stiffness
> using the D^4 rule. Addco rear bar (for FWD only?) is 0.875"
> (stock is 0.86"), for a 7% increase in stiffness.
>
> 1) understeer/oversteer. I am guessing that the stronger front
> stabilizer bar may increase understeer, something we don't need
> more of. And that the rear bar may increase oversteer slightly
> but would it be enough to balance the stronger front bar?
>
> 2) lean angle. Has anyone measured lean angles with stock
> suspension, with aftermarket springs, with Addco bars, with
> springs and bars?
>
> 3) bar dimensions/mounting. Besides diameter, are the other
> dimensions the same and would any modification be required to
> mount the bars? Other dimensional changes would also affect
> overall bar stiffness.
>
> 4) Experiences. Anyone care to mention their experiences with
> this add-on?
>
> Thanks in advance for any comments.
>
> Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
> Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
> To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 12:48 AM
> Subject: Team3S: Sway bars
>
> Im sure this has been hashed..but didnt see it in archives.
>
> Sway bars...who has em for the VR4?


- --
If you're not the lead car, your view never changes!

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:13:41 EDT
From: "Dg B" <dbretton@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

>
>Who has em:
>Curt's post the other day about CarParts sale of the Borla exhaust also
>lists
>the Addco anti-sway bars for under $150.
>

I ordered Addco sway bard from CarParts.  After having the order delayed 3
times (without notification) for a total of 4 MONTHS, I cancelled the order.
  They might have good prices, but their customer service is *rotten*.  I'd
rather bay $250 and get them before the *next* millenium.

Regards,
   Dennis
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:52:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

Im looking on carparts.com, and I dont see the 95 VR4 listed for addco
sway bars.

Am I just on drugs or what *grin*

On Fri, 19 May 2000, Ken Middaugh wrote:

> Who has em:
> Curt's post the other day about CarParts sale of the Borla exhaust also lists
> the Addco anti-sway bars for under $150.
>
> Lean Angle:
> I have Eibach Pro springs on my '91 VR4.  I have a picture of my car directly
> head-on while I'm hard in a corner at a driver's school.  With the Eibach
> springs and the sport suspension on sport, the car was still leaning a fair
> amount.  (This is when I measured a maximum instantaneous G-force of .97 using
> my G-Tech Pro)
>
> Experiences (minor ;)):
> While replacing the anti-sway bar bushings, I figured that the front bar
> replacement wouldn't be too difficult.  However, the back bar on a VR4 would be
> terribly difficult and probably require dropping the whole rear end.
>
> Understeer/Oversteer:
> A stiffer front bar will increase understeer IF the bar is too stiiff and causes
> the inside wheel to lift in a corner.  However if it is not too stiff, it could
> decrease understeer by keeping the car flatter in a turn and keeping the tire's
> contact patch more parallel to the track.  $150 is a pretty cheap gamble to test
> it out.
>
> Jeff Lucius wrote:
> >
> > Hi Geoff,
> >
> > I asked the same question a while back (3/20) -- repeated below
> > -- with no replies.
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience or opinions concerning the Addco
> > anti-sway bars on our cars? Addco front bar is 1" (stock bar is
> > 0.91"), for what I calculate as a 54% increase in stiffness
> > using the D^4 rule. Addco rear bar (for FWD only?) is 0.875"
> > (stock is 0.86"), for a 7% increase in stiffness.
> >
> > 1) understeer/oversteer. I am guessing that the stronger front
> > stabilizer bar may increase understeer, something we don't need
> > more of. And that the rear bar may increase oversteer slightly
> > but would it be enough to balance the stronger front bar?
> >
> > 2) lean angle. Has anyone measured lean angles with stock
> > suspension, with aftermarket springs, with Addco bars, with
> > springs and bars?
> >
> > 3) bar dimensions/mounting. Besides diameter, are the other
> > dimensions the same and would any modification be required to
> > mount the bars? Other dimensional changes would also affect
> > overall bar stiffness.
> >
> > 4) Experiences. Anyone care to mention their experiences with
> > this add-on?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any comments.
> >
> > Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
> > Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
> > To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
> > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 12:48 AM
> > Subject: Team3S: Sway bars
> >
> > Im sure this has been hashed..but didnt see it in archives.
> >
> > Sway bars...who has em for the VR4?
>
>
> --
> If you're not the lead car, your view never changes!
>
> Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
> General Atomics
> San Diego
>
> ***Info:  www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm***
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:53:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

Did you pay $250 for both front and rear?

On Fri, 19 May 2000, Dg B wrote:

>
>
> >
> >Who has em:
> >Curt's post the other day about CarParts sale of the Borla exhaust also
> >lists
> >the Addco anti-sway bars for under $150.
> >
>
> I ordered Addco sway bard from CarParts.  After having the order delayed 3
> times (without notification) for a total of 4 MONTHS, I cancelled the order.
>   They might have good prices, but their customer service is *rotten*.  I'd
> rather bay $250 and get them before the *next* millenium.
>
> Regards,
>    Dennis
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:10:38 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Time for a Mod; hood latch-solution?...

- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Mohler"
<gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>> Its not a cable issue..the cable is
fully attached.
>
> You can hear and feel the cable pull the release, but the mechanism
that
> is supposed to spring lose the main latch..is jammed.


That's a good assumption, but the cable may have become stuck along
the way and not be pulling on the latch fully.  Maybe during a recent
AutoX...?  All the more reason that manually yanking down on the latch
(as described) while pushing down on the hood might dislodge it.  Just
like when you hit a heavy bump or come down REAL heavy after flying
over the crest of a hill when racing...-- those are the times a hood
will occasionally fly open on it's own.  It's _downward_ pressure that
will loosen a latch.  Coupled with a yank on the release using the
coat hangar hook, it just might free it up...

If you want me to come down and work on it with you, email privately.
Having my Stealth  there as a 'reference vehicle' wouldn't hurt
either...  :-)

Good luck.

F




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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:10:54 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

> Im looking on carparts.com, and I dont see the 95 VR4 listed for addco
> sway bars.

I used the link in Curt's post from yesterday:
http://www.mn3s.org/car-parts.html
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Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:20:29 EDT
From: "Dg B" <dbretton@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

>
>Did you pay $250 for both front and rear?
>
I believe it was around that, yes.  However, I cancelled the order, as they
took just too long!

- -Dennis
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:21:39 EDT
From: "Dg B" <dbretton@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

>From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
>To: Dg B <dbretton@hotmail.com>
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>Did you pay $250 for both front and rear?
>

My bad.  I think I see what you meant.  No, I didn't end up purchasing them.
  I meant I would have been better off spending $250 a piece.

I apologize for the confusion folks!



Regards,
   Dennis

> >
> >
> > >
> > >Who has em:
> > >Curt's post the other day about CarParts sale of the Borla exhaust also
> > >lists
> > >the Addco anti-sway bars for under $150.
> > >
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:27:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

Just called addco.

They only produce bar sets when they get 10 orders.

The guy told me it could be months before they get enough orders..to build
any for our cars.

On Fri, 19 May 2000, Ken Middaugh wrote:

>
> > Im looking on carparts.com, and I dont see the 95 VR4 listed for addco
> > sway bars.
>
> I used the link in Curt's post from yesterday:
> http://www.mn3s.org/car-parts.html
> --
> If you're not the lead car, your view never changes!
>
> Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
> General Atomics
> San Diego
>
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>


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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:57:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Kuo <amkreadgto@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

Hi Jeffrey,

Are the ADDCO sway bars an add-on or direct
replacement?  I remember hearing they are direct
replacements and aren't much thicker than stock.
Please comment.

Thanks,
George
- --- Jeffrey Young <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Jeff & Geoff;
>
> Sorry, I didn't see Jeff's first ask of the
> question.....
>
> I have the ADDCO front sway bar and the Road Race
> Engineering rear shock
> tower brace on my 92 RT/Turbo....Sorry Jeff..can't
> answer questions 1 or  2
> (engineers...sheesh...)...#3   I had the sway bar
> mounted by Denver Frame &
> Aligment when I was having the Eibach's
> installed..so I couln't tell you
> about installation......You are correct about the
> ADDCO rear bar being for
> FWD's only...I installed the rear shock tower brace
> myself...pretty easy
> (there was something about it not working with cars
> with moon roofs?)..#4
> ....as far as my overall impressions.....I really
> like the way the car has
> stiffen up when cornering...I live in the mountains
> and just LOVE the
> twisties...understeer/oversteer doesn't SEEM to be
> more pronouced and the
> car SEEMS to track better through the corners...I
> would recommend these
> three suspension upgrades to anyone....another Jeff
> (in AZ) has installed
> the rear shock brace and also really likes it....
>
>
> Jeffrey (yet another one)
> 92 RT/Turbo
> www.omega-sw.com/stealth
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Lucius
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 7:38 AM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars
>
>
> Hi Geoff,
>
> I asked the same question a while back (3/20) --
> repeated below
> -- with no replies.
>
> Does anyone have any experience or opinions
> concerning the Addco
> anti-sway bars on our cars? Addco front bar is 1"
> (stock bar is
> 0.91"), for what I calculate as a 54% increase in
> stiffness
> using the D^4 rule. Addco rear bar (for FWD only?)
> is 0.875"
> (stock is 0.86"), for a 7% increase in stiffness.
>
> 1) understeer/oversteer. I am guessing that the
> stronger front
> stabilizer bar may increase understeer, something we
> don't need
> more of. And that the rear bar may increase
> oversteer slightly
> but would it be enough to balance the stronger front
> bar?
>
> 2) lean angle. Has anyone measured lean angles with
> stock
> suspension, with aftermarket springs, with Addco
> bars, with
> springs and bars?
>
> 3) bar dimensions/mounting. Besides diameter, are
> the other
> dimensions the same and would any modification be
> required to
> mount the bars? Other dimensional changes would also
> affect
> overall bar stiffness.
>
> 4) Experiences. Anyone care to mention their
> experiences with
> this add-on?
>
> Thanks in advance for any comments.
>
> Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
> Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
> To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 12:48 AM
> Subject: Team3S: Sway bars
>
> Im sure this has been hashed..but didnt see it in
> archives.
>
> Sway bars...who has em for the VR4?
>
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:03:52 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Sway bars

They are thicker..but it doesnt take a MUCH thicker bar to work better than a
stock bar.

Usually stock bars on most cars are hollow, or of a soft metal.  Size isnt
everything.

They are direct bolt in..if you can wait till August to get some.

- -----Original Message-----
From: George Kuo [mailto:amkreadgto@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 1:58 PM
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars


Hi Jeffrey,

Are the ADDCO sway bars an add-on or direct
replacement?  I remember hearing they are direct
replacements and aren't much thicker than stock.
Please comment.

Thanks,
George
- --- Jeffrey Young <jefyoung@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Jeff & Geoff;
>
> Sorry, I didn't see Jeff's first ask of the
> question.....
>
> I have the ADDCO front sway bar and the Road Race
> Engineering rear shock
> tower brace on my 92 RT/Turbo....Sorry Jeff..can't
> answer questions 1 or  2
> (engineers...sheesh...)...#3   I had the sway bar
> mounted by Denver Frame &
> Aligment when I was having the Eibach's
> installed..so I couln't tell you
> about installation......You are correct about the
> ADDCO rear bar being for
> FWD's only...I installed the rear shock tower brace
> myself...pretty easy
> (there was something about it not working with cars
> with moon roofs?)..#4
> ....as far as my overall impressions.....I really
> like the way the car has
> stiffen up when cornering...I live in the mountains
> and just LOVE the
> twisties...understeer/oversteer doesn't SEEM to be
> more pronouced and the
> car SEEMS to track better through the corners...I
> would recommend these
> three suspension upgrades to anyone....another Jeff
> (in AZ) has installed
> the rear shock brace and also really likes it....
>
>
> Jeffrey (yet another one)
> 92 RT/Turbo
> www.omega-sw.com/stealth
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Lucius
> To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 7:38 AM
> Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars
>
>
> Hi Geoff,
>
> I asked the same question a while back (3/20) --
> repeated below
> -- with no replies.
>
> Does anyone have any experience or opinions
> concerning the Addco
> anti-sway bars on our cars? Addco front bar is 1"
> (stock bar is
> 0.91"), for what I calculate as a 54% increase in
> stiffness
> using the D^4 rule. Addco rear bar (for FWD only?)
> is 0.875"
> (stock is 0.86"), for a 7% increase in stiffness.
>
> 1) understeer/oversteer. I am guessing that the
> stronger front
> stabilizer bar may increase understeer, something we
> don't need
> more of. And that the rear bar may increase
> oversteer slightly
> but would it be enough to balance the stronger front
> bar?
>
> 2) lean angle. Has anyone measured lean angles with
> stock
> suspension, with aftermarket springs, with Addco
> bars, with
> springs and bars?
>
> 3) bar dimensions/mounting. Besides diameter, are
> the other
> dimensions the same and would any modification be
> required to
> mount the bars? Other dimensional changes would also
> affect
> overall bar stiffness.
>
> 4) Experiences. Anyone care to mention their
> experiences with
> this add-on?
>
> Thanks in advance for any comments.
>
> Jeff Lucius, 3SI #476
> Red 1992 Stealth TT - modified
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Mohler" <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
> To: <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 12:48 AM
> Subject: Team3S: Sway bars
>
> Im sure this has been hashed..but didnt see it in
> archives.
>
> Sway bars...who has em for the VR4?
>
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:27:55 -0700
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: apexi avc-r boost controller

You do not need to access the wiring harness from the engine.  Just cut the
tape off on the harness plugging into the ECU and tap off of the correct
wires.  Depends on which year car you have.  You should really get the shop
manual and see which pin number is the one you are looking for.  Look at the
picture of the connector and its orientation and find the correct wire,
check it twice and splice into it.  The manuel is very helpful because it
tells you which pin is rpm, speed, etc.
The ECU and harness you need to access are behind the driver side console
panels which take 30 seconds to remove.

Sam 95 VR-4

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From: DOWNDRIVEN1@cs.com <DOWNDRIVEN1@cs.com>
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Saturday, May 13, 2000 6:30 PM
Subject: Team3S: apexi avc-r boost controller


>What is the best way to get the wireing harness from the engine compartment
>to the interior of the car? The connectors on the harness are to large.
alex
>
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:29:46 -0700
From: "Sam Shelat" <sshelat@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: apexi avc-r boost controller

Sorry, did not follow your question.  I just cut the harness at the end of
the connectors with the least # of wires, and reconnected them afterward
with solder and shrink sleeves.

Sam 95 VR-4

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From: DOWNDRIVEN1@cs.com <DOWNDRIVEN1@cs.com>
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st <team3s@stealth-3000gt.st>
Date: Saturday, May 13, 2000 6:30 PM
Subject: Team3S: apexi avc-r boost controller


>What is the best way to get the wireing harness from the engine compartment
>to the interior of the car? The connectors on the harness are to large.
alex
>
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:24:01 EDT
From: "Dg B" <dbretton@hotmail.com>
Subject: Team3S: OT:  For Mikael Akesson

Hello folks,

  I apologize for the off-topic post.  However, I have sent several messages
to Mikael Akesson at his email addy on his web site with no response.  I
know that he has appeared on this list a few times, so I am hoping he will
reply.

Again sorry for the bandwidth...

Regards,
   Dennis


Mikael,

   I have a couple of questions about the Aliante which you have on your
site.  Did it come with a protective grill?  Also, how did you create the
fiberglass enclosure?

Thanks for your input Mikael..

Regards,
   Dennis
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:08:12 -0500
From: "Brad Bedell" <bbedell@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Sway bars

Consider me in if you guys want to put together a sway bar purchase..


Brad
Check out my home page:  http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682

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From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Geoff Mohler
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 1:27 PM
To: Ken Middaugh
Cc: Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

Just called addco.

They only produce bar sets when they get 10 orders.

The guy told me it could be months before they get enough orders..to build
any for our cars.

On Fri, 19 May 2000, Ken Middaugh wrote:

>
> > Im looking on carparts.com, and I dont see the 95 VR4 listed for addco
> > sway bars.
>
> I used the link in Curt's post from yesterday:
> http://www.mn3s.org/car-parts.html
> --
> If you're not the lead car, your view never changes!
>
> Ken Middaugh          (858) 455-4510
> General Atomics
> San Diego
>
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:15:37 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Sway bars

Okok..I'll begin a group buy on sway bars *grin*

Why the heck not..I would have liked em for Thunderhill..but no chance of that
happening.

Give me the weekend to work it all out..im at customer sites all tonight
(Friday) and Sunday morning/afternoon.


Brad:  Im wondering about Big Red kit..do you have costs and delivery times?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brad Bedell [mailto:bbedell@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 6:08 PM
To: Geoff Mohler; Ken Middaugh
Cc: Team3S
Subject: RE: Team3S: Sway bars


Consider me in if you guys want to put together a sway bar purchase..


Brad
Check out my home page:  http://home.austin.rr.com/overboost/
E-Mail: bbedell@austin.rr.com ICQ#  3612682

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
[mailto:owner-team3s@stealth-3000gt.st]On Behalf Of Geoff Mohler
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 1:27 PM
To: Ken Middaugh
Cc: Team3S
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

Just called addco.

They only produce bar sets when they get 10 orders.

The guy told me it could be months before they get enough orders..to build
any for our cars.

On Fri, 19 May 2000, Ken Middaugh wrote:

>
> > Im looking on carparts.com, and I dont see the 95 VR4 listed for addco
> > sway bars.
>
> I used the link in Curt's post from yesterday:
> http://www.mn3s.org/car-parts.html
> --
> If you're not the lead car, your view never changes!
>
> Ken Middaugh          (858) 455-4510
> General Atomics
> San Diego
>
> ***Info:  www.stealth-3000gt.st/Team3S-Rules.htm***
>


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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 21:26:42 EDT
From: BHurvitz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Team3S: Sway bars

I would also be interested in a sway bar group purchase. Are there any
differences inthe sway bars between the various year cars, or are they all
the same?

Bob 91TT

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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:38:54 -0700
From: "Bob Forrest" <bf@bobforrest.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: OT:  For Mikael Akesson

Mikael (from Sweden) is the Team3S Admin with the title of Subscription
God.  Lately he has been travelling for several days at a clip, but will
be in touch with you shortly, I'm sure.  :-)  Then again, there might be
serious virus trouble around Europe-- Admin Roger Gerl (from
Switzerland) has had spotty email for close to 24 hours.

Best,

Forrest

- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dg B" <dbretton@hotmail.com>
> Hello folks,
>   I apologize for the off-topic post.  However, I have sent several
messages
> to Mikael Akesson at his email addy on his web site with no response.
I
> know that he has appeared on this list a few times, so I am hoping he
will
> reply.
> Again sorry for the bandwidth...
>
> Regards,
>    Dennis
>
> Mikael,
>
>    I have a couple of questions about the Aliante which you have on
your
> site.  Did it come with a protective grill?  Also, how did you create
the
> fiberglass enclosure?
>
> Thanks for your input Mikael..
>
> Regards,
>    Dennis
>
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