team3s             Wednesday, May 17 2000             Volume 01 : Number 139




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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:57:40 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: A engine problem & a few questions...

Trevor James wrote:

> races other day; air fuel ratio .94-.96V, EGT under 1630F quarter mile, boost
> 14.9 psi.  racing Z28 on third gear steadily lost power from 6000-6800 rpm
> when I backed out. engine died, wouldn't start for eternity. It finally turned
> over,
> belching dark grey smoke (flooded) for seconds.  idled like crap,
> babied a mile to home. scantool:  no matter how rich ARC, back bank O2 wouldn't go
> over
> .52V. computer constantly trying to richen back bank.
> front would max out 1.0V.  plugs: front bank fine
> rear middle/passenger electrodes crushed until it touched
> center electrode.  any way  piston could contact plug without messing up
> valves?

If you have crushed the strap to the center electrode, it was HIT by a
solid object and forced that way.  Piston will NOT EVER do that,
unless it is broken and piece got up there, or foreign object pushed up
there by piston.  Valves will NOT EVER
do that, unless a piece of valve broke off and got smashed into it
by the piston rising.  Do the plugs have all the ceramic surrounding
the center electrode intact, or is the ceramic broken/chipped off?
Detonation can cause cracked ceramic on plugs.  I would say
something got ingested via intake tract (loose bolt or solid something);
or piston is broken and you didn't see it with borescope.

>  I used borescope
> to look at inside cylinders/pistons. It looks
> good. All valves seem closing fine, no bent ones.
> pistons don't have holes/nicks in them.
> checked timing belt/tensioner = fine. After all the car has only 26K miles on it.
> With the crank pulley's reference mark @ TDC the front intake cam's reference
> mark is at roughly 4 o'clock where the front exhaust cam's at 8 o'clock. The back
> is the opposite (intake at 8 and exhaust at 4). I thought the cams were supposed
> to line up with the triangle and square on the drivers side of the valve
> covers?!? I'm using the dimples on the sides of the cam sprockets as reference
> marks.

Line up the crank at TDC....cylinder #1 IN FIRING POSITION (not 360
degrees OFF, when it is finishing its EXHAUST stroke on this "4 stroke"
engine!)
With cyl #1 at TDC firing, the indentations on the BACK SIDE of the
camgears will line up with the VALVECOVER MARKS (the triagular,
and the rectangular marks) on all 4 camgears.

The little dimples on the FRONT FACES of the camgears will be
on the inner aspects of the front two, and the inner aspects of the
back two camgears, at about the 2:00 and 10:00 positions approx,
facing each other, at the same time as the valvecover marks
mentioned above.

> Next plan of action is to do a compression test.

Something hit that poor plug.  Nothing NATURAL
would do that!  Usu. racing, you cracked the stock
cast piston, maybe a piece of broken ring.
Let us know how it turns out...
Jack Tertadian



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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:48:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Hood release!!

Nope..its not a hood that wont come up when you pull the release..the end
of the cable sounds to NO longer be attached TO the release...ergo the
hood is locked tight short of a major wreck *heh*.

- ---
Spoken to me on the net recently:

"You're obviously psychotic.  Goodbye."

Actually, this was the first sensible statement the person has actually made.  YMMV.
- ---

On Tue, 16 May 2000, cody wrote:

> You won't get the bumper off without removing the hood first...  Have
> someone attempt to pull upon the hood while you pull the latch...  Maybe a
> big suction cup would work...
>
> -Cody
>
>
> #Ah hell..
> #
> #Hood release has stopped working.  Worked good last night, this
> #AM..no go up.
> #
> #
> #Cable seems intact, I can hear it under the hood up front, but its
> #not engaging
> #the latch.
> #
> #What short of removing the bumper..do I do now?
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:11:04 +0100
From: "Martin" <martin@star.co.uk>
Subject: Team3S: Turbo timers and insurance companys

Hi all
Here in the UK our insurance companies insist that we have a category 1 Thatcham approved alarm fitted to the car before they will insure you.
The problem I have is that in order for it to be Thatcham approved, it has to be fitted with an immobiliser that will shut the car down within 30 seconds of the key being turned to the off position.
The problem is I have a turbo timer fitted that monitors the turbo's and increases the turn off time according to how hard the turbo's have been working.
So if the immobiliser cuts the engine off after 30 seconds then that makes the turbo timer totally useless.
The only way round this that I can see is to sit in the car for 2 to 3 mins and then switch the car off which makes the turbo timer redundant.
It is so annoying, (damn insurance companies)
Anyway, the whole point to this email is to see if there is anyone out there that has come across this problem and has got round it.
Thanks in advance

Regards
Martin Berkley
Technical Support Specialist
Star Internet



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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:07:12 -0500
From: "Mark Wendlandt" <stealth_tt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Re: Supra pump install

Hi Jack,

Denso must have changed their pump slightly from '91, or Mitsu used
different plastic sleeves in later years, because the pumps are a little
different on the output end.  There is a plastic plate with the denso number
that is different on the supra pump.  This plastic plate fits closer to the
output nipple and that keeps my plastic sleeve from sliding down flush to
the pump.  What I did was to grind part of the bottom of the sleeve off so
it would not hit the plastic plate and then the other side would fit flush
on the pump.  I then could slide the o-ring on and the plastic cap.  The
plastic pieces are used to keep the o-ring in place when inserting or
removing the pump from the fuel line "pipe" that leaves the tank.

I also loosened the other end of the fuel line that I was having problems
with(easier to get to than I thought) and that greatly simplified the
installation of the hose on the pump end (the fitting on the hard pipe that
goes to the fuel filter spins free).

Thanks,

Mark Wendlandt


From: "xwing" <xwing@execpc.com>
> >The manual says
> > have to take the other end of  hose off first.  Is this
> > necessary?
>
> Yes. You go under car, on front/toward upper aspect of the fuel tank are
> two lines, one is the fuel line you see attached to the pump's hardline
fitting.
>
> Loosen it, need not REMOVE it because once loose, THAT LOWER END
> spins so upper end can spin off.

> > 2:  When I removed stock pump.  The top with the nipple, has two plastic
> > pieces with a o-ring in the middle.  I removed these and put them on the
new
> > supra pump.  The bottom plastic piece doesn't fit flush to the pump and
> > therefore the o-ring and top plastic piece don't fit properly.  I'm
guessing
> > that I have to go back to Toyota to buy the pieces that fit this pump??
>
> Is exactly same pump dimenstions so you are not doing it right.  Should
> go on EXACTLY like it was on stock pump.
> Jack Tertadian


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:08:50 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: Screeching on Engine startup

Hi guys,
Trying to diagnose a problem in a '96 NA DOHC engine.   Upon startup
there's an abnormal screeching noise coming from the engine bay.  It does
this for a couple of revolutions starting right about the time I'd expect
the starter to be disengaging (engine turning over on its own).  It lasts
for a few (2-5) revolutions, and then goes away.  Other than that, the car
sounds completely normal and performs normally. 
When I first heard the noise, then hood was shut, and I was about 20
yds. away.  I thought it was a belt slipping.  After I popped the hood and
had my friend start the car again,  I stared at the belts and I didn't see
one slipping, and the noise seemed to be coming from the front bank
somewhere under the valve cover.   It never makes this noise except for a
second or two upon startup.
Any ideas?  Is the starter not disengaging when it should be? It
almost sounds like a metal grating noise rather than a belt slipping noise,
as I listened to it a second time.

Thanks!
- --Erik


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:11:21 -0500
From: "cody" <overclck@flash.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: Screeching on Engine startup

I have had the exact smae problem for over a year.  It's just a pain in the
butt.  In my case it is the starter not disengaging the gear from the
flywheel.  What I did some time ago was to take the starter off and
thoroughly clean and lubricate the gear that pulls back, and it fixed it for
about aweek, and the problem has been back since...  It's not worth it to
try and fix it...  One day i figure I will need a new starter, but I can
live with this for now.  I also notice that it isn't half as bad when warm
as compared to when cold.

- -Cody


#Hi guys,
# Trying to diagnose a problem in a '96 NA DOHC engine.   Upon startup
#there's an abnormal screeching noise coming from the engine bay.  It does
#this for a couple of revolutions starting right about the time I'd expect
#the starter to be disengaging (engine turning over on its own).  It lasts
#for a few (2-5) revolutions, and then goes away.  Other than that, the car
#sounds completely normal and performs normally.
# When I first heard the noise, then hood was shut, and I was about 20
#yds. away.  I thought it was a belt slipping.  After I popped the hood and
#had my friend start the car again,  I stared at the belts and I didn't see
#one slipping, and the noise seemed to be coming from the front bank
#somewhere under the valve cover.   It never makes this noise except for a
#second or two upon startup.
# Any ideas?  Is the starter not disengaging when it should be? It
#almost sounds like a metal grating noise rather than a belt slipping noise,
#as I listened to it a second time.
#
#T#


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:52:18 -0600
From: Dave Monarchi <monarchd@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: Team3S: Screeching on Engine startup

consider the possibility of the A/C compressor clutch not fully
engaging/disengaging..  mine currently does this and is sounds
awful at times..  try cycling your A/C on/off a couple times and
see if it makes a difference..  if it is the problem, the compressor
needs to be pulled to re-shim the clutch position..

probably not the problem, but food for thought anyway..

Dave

95 Black 3000GT VR4
87 Mica Red GTI G60

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+> I have had the exact smae problem for over a year.  It's just a pain in the
+> butt.  In my case it is the starter not disengaging the gear from the
+> flywheel.  What I did some time ago was to take the starter off and
+> thoroughly clean and lubricate the gear that pulls back, and it fixed it for
+> about aweek, and the problem has been back since...  It's not worth it to
+> try and fix it...  One day i figure I will need a new starter, but I can
+> live with this for now.  I also notice that it isn't half as bad when warm
+> as compared to when cold.
+>
+> -Cody
+>
+>
+> #Hi guys,
+> # Trying to diagnose a problem in a '96 NA DOHC engine.   Upon startup
+> #there's an abnormal screeching noise coming from the engine bay.  It does
+> #this for a couple of revolutions starting right about the time I'd expect
+> #the starter to be disengaging (engine turning over on its own).  It lasts
+> #for a few (2-5) revolutions, and then goes away.  Other than that, the car
+> #sounds completely normal and performs normally.
+> # When I first heard the noise, then hood was shut, and I was about 20
+> #yds. away.  I thought it was a belt slipping.  After I popped the hood and
+> #had my friend start the car again,  I stared at the belts and I didn't see
+> #one slipping, and the noise seemed to be coming from the front bank
+> #somewhere under the valve cover.   It never makes this noise except for a
+> #second or two upon startup.
+> # Any ideas?  Is the starter not disengaging when it should be? It
+> #almost sounds like a metal grating noise rather than a belt slipping noise,
+> #as I listened to it a second time.
+> #
+> #T#
+>
+>
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:47:01 -0400
From: Rick D <rick@ceo-consulting.com>
Subject: Team3S: Pearl Yellow 94 R/T TT for sale

I have been debating back and forth on whether or not to put the car on the
market, but as it turns out I will be purchasing a new car next month and
do *not* want to trade this car in.  I cannot see trading a car in when it
is in as good of condition as mine.  I know the dealer will try to rape me
on the trade in value and I would like to see this car go to a good home.

It has black leather interior, power driver seat, dual air bags, climate
control A/C (digital), removable moonroof, Factory Infinity sound system
with 6 disc (factory) Mitsu changer, the factory-Infinity-amp is under the
pass seat.  Power windows, locks, mirrors, brakes, steering, etc..

Here are some of the factory specs:

AWD (all wheel drive)
AWS (all wheel steering)
ECS (electronically controlled suspension)
Active Exhaust
4 wheel ABS
Larger diameter calipers and vented rotors (94+)
17" chrome wheels (say "Dodge" in the center)
6 speed Getrag trans - new - this was replaced by Chrysler about 11 months ago
320hp twin turbo 3.0L engine



Here are the mods:

K&N Filter - (have stock filter and housing)
13g turbos (have a BRAND NEW SET of factory turbos IN THE BOX that go with
the car)
AMS intercoolers (high efficiency) and hard pipe kit (have factory
intercoolers and piping)
550cc Denso injectors
Greddy Profec B boost controller-cockpit adjustable
Apexi AFC fuel controller-cockpit adjustable
HKS exhaust
ATR downpipe (have factory downpipe)
pre-cats gutted
Main cat replaced by 3" flex section
Magnecore wires
New Mitsu-denso-plugs gapped to .032

The car has won a Gold Metal the past three years at the Florida Mopar
Nationals.  It is in excellent condition.

Here are the items that have been replaced since I have had it:

New clutch disk, pressure plate, TO bearing, and flywheel.  New 6 speed
trans.  New rear wheel bearings.  New plugs.  Throttle body cleaned, intake
upper plenum cleaned.  Horn buttons.  rear cargo tonneau cover clips (this
was a Mitsu TSB), front brake lines (recall), sway bar bushings, one stud
in left front wheel. Brakes. (new rotors and pads).-fronts only-rears look
great.

Cosmetically, the car has only two flaws.  In the front nose, the paint is
flaking off in about a 2"x 3"section.  I was told this would involve
repainting the nose - quoted $150 by Dodge to refinish and do it right with
the pearl, flex agent, etc..)  The other is a small tear in the drivers
seat.  I was quoted $125 to repair.  I can have this done if the person
would like.  No biggie.

Other than that, the car is flawless.  It has 52K miles on it and has
*never* been smoked in.  In fact, I don't think anyone has ever had a drink
in my car.

At any rate, I am not looking to retire off this car, I just want what is
fair.  I will consider any reasonable offer.  The dealer wants to give me
$13K for the car.  My receipts (in upgrades alone) total just over 7K for
the mods, and the car sold for $42,000 when it was new.  I see the car
being worth somewhere between 14-16k although I am sure there are some who
will argue the point.

Anyone who is interested in seeing the car, it is located in Delray Beach,
FL. ***Please email me privately.***

Thanks,

Rick







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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:28:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Burke <burke@pas.rochester.edu>
Subject: Team3S: oil leak...

Hi,

I've got some oil dripping from my '93 3000gt vr4.  It's on the driver's
side, about a foot or foot and a half back from the front bumper.  Maybe
about 8-12 inches in from the driver's side wheel.

Any ideas on what this might be?  I called a local service center (i'm
away from home right now) and they thought it might be a seal near the
timing belt or something.  That seemed a little odd to me.  It doesn't
appear to be on the engine at all, at least not w/ a cursory inspection
from above... so i'm hoping it's not something major and is just a leaky
seal.

Any feedback would be appreciated...

andy


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:33:37 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: oil leak...

Front turbo oil drain bolts into the oilpan..check em.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Burke [mailto:burke@pas.rochester.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 1:29 PM
To: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: oil leak...


Hi,

I've got some oil dripping from my '93 3000gt vr4.  It's on the driver's
side, about a foot or foot and a half back from the front bumper.  Maybe
about 8-12 inches in from the driver's side wheel.

Any ideas on what this might be?  I called a local service center (i'm
away from home right now) and they thought it might be a seal near the
timing belt or something.  That seemed a little odd to me.  It doesn't
appear to be on the engine at all, at least not w/ a cursory inspection
from above... so i'm hoping it's not something major and is just a leaky
seal.

Any feedback would be appreciated...

andy


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:32:04 -0500
From: xwing <xwing@execpc.com>
Subject: Team3S: Re: oil leak...

It is likely the rusted steel lines that go into/out of
the oil cooler, which is located just in front of the driverside
wheel.  I had to change my hardlines--ground off the rusted
through parts, welded on some AN fittings, and used
braided steel lines to connect it all back up again.
They are prone to rust like that.
Jack Tertadian

Andrew Burke wrote:

> oil dripping '93 3000gt vr4.  driver
> side, a foot and a half back from front bumper.
> 8-12 inches in from the driverside wheel.
> Any ideas on what this might be? .  It doesn't
> appear to be on the engine at all


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:51:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Burke <burke@pas.rochester.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: oil leak...

> Front turbo oil drain bolts into the oilpan..check em.

Ok, I got the car up and took a look, there's a black, sort of bulbous
thing with a bolt facing the front of the car.  The leak is definitely
coming from that bolt.

I fear that's my oil pan and my true ignorance of cars will be
demonstrated for all :>

andy

ps. is this something like the last time I had the oil changed, they
didn't tighten said bolt enough?



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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:53:54 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: oil leak...

Can you describe where this is???

Lots bolts under the car.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Burke [mailto:burke@pas.rochester.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 1:52 PM
To: Mohler, Jeff
Cc: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: oil leak...


> Front turbo oil drain bolts into the oilpan..check em.

Ok, I got the car up and took a look, there's a black, sort of bulbous
thing with a bolt facing the front of the car.  The leak is definitely
coming from that bolt.

I fear that's my oil pan and my true ignorance of cars will be
demonstrated for all :>

andy

ps. is this something like the last time I had the oil changed, they
didn't tighten said bolt enough?


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:58:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Burke <burke@pas.rochester.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: oil leak...

> Can you describe where this is???
>
> Lots bolts under the car.

Ok, it's about 1.5-2 feet in from the driver's side wheel, and about 2
feet back from the front bumper.  It is black and is shaped sort of like
one of those things they put mayonaise in at places like subway, sorta
like this:

- -\     /-
 |     |
 |   x |
  \---/

with the "x" being the bolt that i'm talking about... the leak is almost
definitely originating at that bolt.

andy


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:00:37 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: oil leak...

Youve never seen an oilpan before?

Is that what its on?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Burke [mailto:burke@pas.rochester.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 1:58 PM
To: Mohler, Jeff
Cc: team3s@stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: RE: Team3S: oil leak...


> Can you describe where this is???
>
> Lots bolts under the car.

Ok, it's about 1.5-2 feet in from the driver's side wheel, and about 2
feet back from the front bumper.  It is black and is shaped sort of like
one of those things they put mayonaise in at places like subway, sorta
like this:

- -\     /-
 |     |
 |   x |
  \---/

with the "x" being the bolt that i'm talking about... the leak is almost
definitely originating at that bolt.

andy

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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:01:42 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: oil leak...

> Ok, I got the car up and took a look, there's a black, sort of bulbous
> thing with a bolt facing the front of the car.  The leak is definitely
> coming from that bolt.

If it's the oil pan you're describing(sounds like it), perhaps the drain
plug isn't tight enough, or whoever changed the oil last didn't use a crush
washer?  Or perhaps they used a crush washer that's been used one-too-many
times and doesn't crush anymore?  Mine leaked a little bit one time when I
forgot to use a crush washer when I changed the oil.
I don't know about all the other bolts under there, but the
drainplug is 17mm and faces toward the front of the car, coming out of a
"black bulbous thing"<g> that's kinda square and about 8" on a side.  If
it's the drainplug, you can pull the plug, cover the hole with a thumb or a
rag until you can fit a crush washer on the drainplug, and then quickly
thread the drainplug back on before you lose too much oil...  or you could
change your oil, which would probably be less messy:)

- --Erik



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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:02:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Burke <burke@pas.rochester.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: oil leak...

> Youve never seen an oilpan before?
>
> Is that what its on?

nope, never seen one... :<

I don't know, that's my guess, but you guys know a lot more than I
do... so I didn't wanna go cranking down a bolt without checking w/ you
guys first.

> Ok, it's about 1.5-2 feet in from the driver's side wheel, and about 2
> feet back from the front bumper.  It is black and is shaped sort of like
> one of those things they put mayonaise in at places like subway, sorta
> like this:
>
> -\     /-
>  |     |
>  |   x |
>   \---/
>
> with the "x" being the bolt that i'm talking about... the leak is almost
> definitely originating at that bolt.

btw, this view is from the front of the car, looking back towards the rear
underneath...

andy


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:05:18 -0700
From: "Gross, Erik" <erik.gross@intel.com>
Subject: Team3S: FW: Parts special for June

Just got this from Starnet - though it might be of interest.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norco Mitsubishi [mailto:mitsparts@pe.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 11:32 AM
> To: SoCal-DSM@egroups.com; SoCal-DSM@onelist.com;
> stealth@stls.verio.net; stealth@stls.verio.net
> Subject: Parts special for June
>
>
> Hello everyone in DSM/3si land. This is Paul at Norco Mits.
> Just wanted to
> inform you all of a special I am are running for the month of
> June. Anything
> purchased over $150.00 and we'll cover the freight. Now this does not
> include any special freight like next day air. Only UPS
> ground. Also if you
> guys are really nice to me and my boys I might even throw in
> a really cool
> gift.
> This is something new I'm trying out. Every month a new
> special. So any
> suggestions would be helpful. No one knows more about what
> you all use a lot
> of then you. Be creative and reasonable. I'm trying to save
> you money, but
> at the same time make money too.
>
> Paul
> Wholesale Manager
> Norco Mitsubishi
>
>


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:14:48 -0700
From: Ken Middaugh <Kenneth.Middaugh@gat.com>
Subject: Team3S: any foglights for sale?

Does anyone have a 1st gen VR4 driver's side fog light for sale?  My glass lens
is destroyed.

Please reply directly to me.
Thanks,
Ken
- --
If you're not the lead car, your view never changes!

Ken Middaugh (858) 455-4510
General Atomics
San Diego

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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:26:24 -0700
From: "Barry E. King" <beking@home.com>
Subject: RE: Team3S: oil leak...

Sounds like the oil pan drain plug to me.

You should see if it can be tightened a bit (not TOO much or it may cause
thread damage or worse) if the leak is severe.  If it is not a severe leak,
next time you go in to change your oil ask that the crush washer for the
drain plug be replaced with a new one and that the drain plug be properly
tigthened.  Ideally it should be replaced every time the oil is changed but
lots of places/people do not do this.


Barry

> -----Original Message-----
>
> I don't know, that's my guess, but you guys know a lot more than I
> do... so I didn't wanna go cranking down a bolt without checking w/ you
> guys first.
>
> > Ok, it's about 1.5-2 feet in from the driver's side wheel, and about 2
> > feet back from the front bumper.  It is black and is shaped sort of like
> > one of those things they put mayonaise in at places like subway, sorta
> > like this:
> >
> > -\     /-
> >  |     |
> >  |   x |
> >   \---/
> >
> > with the "x" being the bolt that i'm talking about... the leak is almost
> > definitely originating at that bolt.
>
> btw, this view is from the front of the car, looking back towards the rear
> underneath...
>
> andy


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:05:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Burke <burke@pas.rochester.edu>
Subject: RE: Team3S: oil leak...

> You should see if it can be tightened a bit (not TOO much or it may cause
> thread damage or worse) if the leak is severe.  If it is not a severe leak,
> next time you go in to change your oil ask that the crush washer for the
> drain plug be replaced with a new one and that the drain plug be properly
> tigthened.  Ideally it should be replaced every time the oil is changed but
> lots of places/people do not do this.

Well, I went to the local valvoline quick-lube place to have them look at
it.  I figured they'd at least know if it was the oil pan plug.

It was.  They were _very_ helpful.  They noticed that the plug was both
cross-threaded and only hand-tight.  Took me down under the car to show
me.  They gave me a new plug and basically changed the oil (with
synthetic) for free because I had been to a valvoline place before.  They
gave me the old plug and wrote up the problems so I can go back to the
dealership (i had them do the last oil change while doing a couple other
small things) and raise holy hell.

Now, I know most of you probably change your own oil and look down on
those of us who don't... but if you're in the albany area and you need an
oil change, the valvoline on the end of hackett (where it meets
central) was an excellent experience.

andy


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:51:01 -0700
From: "Chris Maxwell" <shmacker@home.com>
Subject: Team3S: Rod Bearing Failed, Crankshaft gouged...

Hey guys,

Well, I've figured out that the tapping noises weren't carbon buildup
afterall...no, it was a VERY worn rod bearing.  When I took the oil pan off,
I felt the rods and one of them was loose enough to shake about 1/4 inch.  I
took off all the pistons it looks like that bad rod bearing gouged the
crankshaft pretty good.  Looks like I need a new crank.

Should I go to the trouble of taking out the crank and putting in a new one
(probably from MS Recycling) or get a new bottem end of an engine (probably
from MS Recycling again).  I noticed to take the crank off, the transmission
needs to come off.  ugh.

Thanks a bunch gang,
Chris Maxwell
92 R/T TT (still waiting for the GT-PRO 355 turbos that probably won't be
used for awhile at this rate...)


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:01:13 -0500
From: Merritt <merritt@cedar-rapids.net>
Subject: RE: Team3S: oil leak...

>Now, I know most of you probably change your own oil and look down on
>those of us who don't...

I don't change my oil. Too much trouble, too dirty, and I never know what
to do with the old oil.
Instead, I take it to my Mitsu dealer, and have them put in a Mitsu filter
and Mobil 1.

 but if you're in the albany area and you need an
>oil change, the valvoline on the end of hackett (where it meets
>central) was an excellent experience.

I'm glad you had a good experience. There are probably many more people out
there who have had a bad experience with Jiffy Lube and the rest of that
quick-change crowd -- everything from failing to replace the drain plug to
putting a hole in the filter.

Rich/old poop/94 VR4
>

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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:54:47 -0700
From: jeff.mohler@netapp.com
Subject: RE: Team3S: Rod Bearing Failed, Crankshaft gouged...

Check all the other rod and main bearing surfaces..you may be OK..ive rebuilt a
handful of Supra motors that suffered the same thing..and a crank & rod
replacement fixed em nicely.

The only exceptions is where the owner wondered about that funny tapping..for
weeks and destroyed lots of other things too..but the bottom end bearings will
be first to go.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Maxwell [mailto:shmacker@home.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:51 PM
To: team3s@mail.stealth-3000gt.st
Subject: Team3S: Rod Bearing Failed, Crankshaft gouged...


Hey guys,

Well, I've figured out that the tapping noises weren't carbon buildup
afterall...no, it was a VERY worn rod bearing.  When I took the oil pan off,
I felt the rods and one of them was loose enough to shake about 1/4 inch.  I
took off all the pistons it looks like that bad rod bearing gouged the
crankshaft pretty good.  Looks like I need a new crank.

Should I go to the trouble of taking out the crank and putting in a new one
(probably from MS Recycling) or get a new bottem end of an engine (probably
from MS Recycling again).  I noticed to take the crank off, the transmission
needs to come off.  ugh.

Thanks a bunch gang,
Chris Maxwell
92 R/T TT (still waiting for the GT-PRO 355 turbos that probably won't be
used for awhile at this rate...)


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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:14:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Subject: Team3S: Driveshaft & Hood Latch

Ok..im considering having a one-piece driveshaft put on the car.  The LSD
is load bearing..and doesnt move, so shaft length wont change..no worries
there.

It looks like an almost perfectly straight run, with no more altitude drop
than on my supra..but over a MUCH longer throw.

Car will become an EM race-only car, so all in all im really considering
the alum. shaft that should weigh in at about 16lbs in the end (with
ends).

Any feedback on why I shouldnt do this?


Hood Latch.

This @!(*%? is about to get a nasty rolled up edge on the hood if I cant
get to this thing soon..we have to open the hood to tech for autox (Have
two this weekend to hit)..and im not gonna have a stinkin hood NOT open.

Next attempt will be to see how much I can pry down the front wrap
plastic..to get a screwdriver in there to pop the latch.

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